I want to get into hunting. I've heard the easiest one to start with is small game. I don't want to eat squirrels so I guess my plan is rabbits with a mossberg 500 12 gauge with an improved cylinder choke and 2 3/4 inch #4 steel shot shells since I don't want to eat lead and I figure steel shit would be easier to find with like a magnet or stud finder.
>>64619700Sounds like a fantastic way to vaporize any meat.When you remove the hide, you'll see that rabbits are tiny and very scrawny.I think lead risk in hunting is incredibly overblown and even potentially might be a scam to get us to buy expensive ammo: Olin and ATK sure do appreciate it
>>64619710internet says #6 lead for rabbits and #4 or #5 steel for rabbits
>>64619710>Sounds like a fantastic way to vaporize any meat.People have been blasting small game with shotguns for about as long as shotguns have existed. He's not gonna hit the thing point blank with buckshot. >>64619700>since I don't want to eat lead and I figure steel shit would be easier to find with like a magnet or stud findershot getting in the meat sucks, but it's not that big of a deal so long as you take it slow and look at what you're eating. I've spit some lead bb's out onto the plate while eating some bird or rabbit to no ill effect. It's probably a bit better for your health to bake the thing with steel shot instead of lead inside it, but there's gonna be some shot and looking for it with a magnet is kinda mental if you ask me.
>>64620027>Murdering animals needlesslybut a nigga need to eat
>>64620027>Murdering animals needlesslyI specifically said I was going to hunt rabbits because I don't want to eat squirrels
>>64620058>>64620061It is very unlikely that OP is starving and/or so destitute and could find no better way of feeding himself than killing small game.
>>64620138You find it more ethical to buy meat at the grocery store?
>>64620138so are foxes and coyotes evil for eating bunnies?
>>64620027I agree, I prefer to have somebody kill the meat for me. That's why I buy meat at the store.
>>64620027Murdering animals is fine for any reason at any time because they are biological automata. There is no intrinsic difference between a fly on the wall and a domestic pet>but what about your own dog would you murder-Its not about the emotionality of it. Thats the point. I can grow fond of my dog in the same way i can grow fond of my house and be sad when its gone, but nobody would say its evil if I demolish my own house. My point is if you feel like nematodes in the soil have no moral value, you have to explain why dogs are equally as valuable as humans.Im not going out of my way to hurt animals for any reason, but most people value them more than humans (a liberal trait), or are wishy washy about at what amorphous point intelligent an animal needs to be before it carries moral value, in which case you are just as bad as pro-abortion people
>>64620155foxes and coyotes have basically no other choice.
>>64620235this nigga seems like one of those dudes who adopts a neo-paladin persona whenever it benefits his point, capitalizing god and saying shit like "sodomite" while googling in another tab what bible verses justify being cruel to others.
>>64620238they could go vegan like the jeets
>>64620235my dog's life matters more than the lives of over 10,000,000,000 nonAmericans
>>64620147No, it is probably just as bad. Ideally we don't eat meat at all. But it is more humane to buy meat from a locally-raised animal that you can ensure was properly cared for and slaughtered humanely and without any suffering whatsoever, than take a chance with hunting wild animals.>>64620155No, as wild predators kill out of instinct and necessity.>>64620235>Murdering animals is fine for any reason at any time because they are biological automataThis is how your rulers view you, and it's the logic they will use to justify murdering you. When you repeat their belief system, you justify their actions.
>>64620275what a clumsy jab
>>64620282>No, as wild predators kill out of instinct and necessity.see>>64620275
>>64619700>steel shit would be easier to find with like a magnet or stud finder.My stud finder always works, it goes off when I touch it!
>>64620027Younare assuming he doesn't want to be reincarnated as a cotton tail bunny rabbit, with cute little ears and a tight little bum.
>>64620282What if the animal just gets to live its life free innawoods before I turn it into dinner? Is that so horrific compared to a farm? If that rabbit is going to get killed by a natural predator following its hunting instinct, why is it so wrong if I'm the animal that gets to it before the fox? I think every man (women too if they want) should have to hunt down and kill something warm blooded and eat it before they turn 18 to really drive home that we're not above such base things as instincts and the food chain (of which we are on top of).
>>64620238>no other choiceI mean, If they would just build their credit and stop buying useless crap, save a little and stay with a job for mre that a few weeks, they could apply for a credit card like most Americans.
>>64620340listen anon you just want to kill things. the food part is completely secondary. you are cruel.
>>64620340>hunt down and kill somethingYes. But also raise rabbits and start up a slaughter line and sell the meat and join 4-H and not be gay and pray before bedtime and tuck in thier chairs at the dinner table and keep thier elbows off the table and stand up straight and don't slouch and read more ans practice their cursive.
>>64620347Start your sentences with capitals, you fucking degenerate heathen!
>>64620347I'm not any more cruel than the hawk that would be gunning for the thing if my shot missed. I'm at least going to make sure I break its neck ASAP instead of eating its guts out while it's alive. Something's gonna die and I'm gonna eat it's flesh, it's the most natural thing in the world and just about everyone does it every day. Only difference is that I sourced it myself.
>>64619700>I don't want to eat squirrels so I guess my plan is rabbitsThey taste the same>12 gauge with an improved cylinder choke and 2 3/4 inch #4 steel shot shellsExcellent choice, picrel>>64619710>Sounds like a fantastic way to vaporize any meat.Great way to expose yourself as someone who doesn't know what he's talking about, picrel>>64620058Amen
>>64620695>Excellent choice, picrelthanks
>>64620027Why do you sully the poor CB1000F with your shit opinion?
>>64620710Shit, actually I totally skipped over you saying steel shot. #4 lead is great, but for steel you'll want BB, The sizes are different
>>64620738I did not state an opinion, I stated a fact. I am literally correct about every single issue. Your failure to even attempt a counterargument is sufficient enough to act as a concession.
>>64620744I don't think you're allowed bigger than #4 regardless of steel or lead
>>64620772You pea-brained imbecile, you didn't give a single fact or even a thesis to back up your claim, just an emotional outburst. Why is it wrong to kill and eat an animal that I find and shoot? And what or who decides that it is wrong? You? Irrelevant, you are just another buffoon. Society? Its whims change every decade, and a large portion of the world's human population hunts anyways. Do you back up your claims via a god? Which one? The Biblical one? He tells the people in it to kill and eat all the time. Utilitarianism? Pish-posh, hunters keep wildlife levels in check, preventing diseased populations from running rampant, and from destroying crops. Plus their hunting fees help pay for the upkeep of wildlife. You have no good reason besides your hurt fee-fees, and no one gives a shit about that.
>64620027Go back to facey with your ass crack opinion and get dunked on by me mum
>>64620369>Only difference is that I sourced it myselfWhich is the most responsible and ethical approach.
yeah
>>64620250Incorrect. All humans are equal in dignity and deserving of respect, born or unborn. Humans are infinitely more important than animals will ever be. They are to be used for our happiness in whatever form that takes, be it companionship, food, or sport.Otherwise, youre always going to be just arguing from unprincipled exceptions based on nothing. Why is it morally wrong to kill dogs and not nematodes? Why is it acceptable to kill cows for meat but not horses?Its like the pro life vs pro choice argument. Pro life believes that life begins at conception, pro choice believes that at some arbitrary point theres a line where it stops being a clump of cells and becomes human. Where is the point where its wrong to kill animals, and why? Bearing in mind that there is nothing like mankind anywhere on earth
>>64623306>All humans are equal in dignity and deserving of respectfalse>Humans are infinitely more important than animals will ever be. depends on the human
>>64620695>>I don't want to eat squirrels so I guess my plan is rabbits>They taste the sameSo squirrel is garbage, then.Fun fact a skinned rabbit looks almost identical to a skinned cat.
>>64620347>you just want to kill things. the food part is completely secondary.and that's OK. Who amongst us hasn't wondered what it's like seeing the life leave the eyes of another person, the deed done by his own hand?
>>64620347>>64623691hear me outfuck geese
>>64623697Swans are even more aggressive than wild geese. A domesticated farm goose is the worst though.
>>64623722kek, I wonder if you can hunt swans here
>>64620804>I don't think you're allowed bigger than #4 regardless of steel or leadNever heard this. What state are you hunting in? Sounds like a silly rule
>>64624273NJ. your choice is either an air gun between .177 and .22 cal with some other restrictions, I don't own an air gun or a shotgun not larger than 12 gauge shooting shot not larger than #4 fine. this is specifically for rabbits and squirrels. I don't own an air rifle, I do have a mossberg 500 and I don't want to eat squirrels https://dep.nj.gov/wp-content/uploads/njfw/digest-hunting-and-trapping-2025-2026-segment-57-60.pdf
>>64620138Why is this a question, rabbit has been a retail meat forever. Down the road from where I worked is a farm that used to raise and slaughter and package for sale rabbit all day every day. Half, whole, or chop trimmed. Everyone from Alton Brown to Gordon Ramsay has put it on a menu.
can they just invent a sort of claymore for rabbits where they poke their head out of a den and it gets swiss cheesed by a .410?
>>64619700OP, if you want to pop rabbits, I suggest a .22 LR rifle of you are patient and want to still hunt or .410 or 16 gage shotgun if you are trying to flush them. All three are very light and quick to aim, have light recoil and produce a lethaeffect that won't cause unnecessary and undesirable damage to your game.It's usually pretty easy to find pellets, but they DO get missed. Id be more concerned with chipping a tooth than lead poisoning, though. A strong 'fishing magnet" and steel shot is a good solution if you're really worried. >>64620138Anon, I can tell you are not an outdoors man since you clearly don't understand that hunting in the developed world has a very important place in restoring balance to nature. Since it isn't generally desirable to not have large and medium sized predators roaming your suburban playgrounds, something or someone has to help control the excess populations of various animals that fulfill the role between the sun and apex predator. Besides the obvious population growth exceeding food supply or destruction of crops for humans, over population of one species can adversely affect another. That's why there is no season or bag limit on English sparrows, wild pigs or black rats in the US or red foxes, rabbits or a dozen other critters in Australia.Personally, I feel a bit sad when I kill animals, but I understand why it is a thing and I am certain I would feel a lot less bad about it if it was for survival.
>>64624539Restores balance in YOU. I was bad at deer hunting but I did it. I went out and froze and adjusted kit and did something other than research, endless research.
>>64624539can't use .22lrs in this gay state. air rifles or shotguns and I don't have an air rifle or .410. I have a 12 gauge
>>64624593A nice .177 air rifle is a sound investment. 1k-1200fps, quality budget simple scope. Mine is a Beeman Silverbear and for an air gun it's a great tool around the yard.
>>64619700Eat squirrels faggot, learn to cook. You wont like the taste of any wild game with that attitude.
>>64624610Rabbit feels more worth it and is marginally better. Get early season mast feeders man that's as fat as squirrel get.One good thing is if you save tails and cure them, you can make a very warm vest (other shit was impractical or I just suck).
>>64624610ewww>>64624602I'll see how well hunting with a shotgun works first
>>64624593>I don't have an air rifle or .410You can get a single barrel. 410 for less than $100 plus tip.https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/819644021568I bet it would be more expensive to get an air rifle or 50 steel 12 gaug.
>>64624639My beeman was about $80
>>64624639NEF Pardner for about $120? I think?
>>64624639>You can get a single barrel. 410 for less than $100 plus tip.>turk shitno thanks. also how expensive is bird shot? last time I bought buckshot and slugs they were less than $1 a round. I usually only buy .22lr and .223/5.56
>>64624656Fale posting faggot. https://gun.deals/search/apachesolr_search/8053800941471
>>64624798>Charles Daly shotguns are primarily made in Turkey by manufacturers like Akkar, Sarsilmaz, and ATA,I already have a mossberg 500 in 12 gauge. I don't want turkshit
>>64624618>squirrel tail vestOtzi the Iceman anon?>>64624639Eh, you used to be able to get a stocked 1322 for about the same (or 1377) if you want a 10 pump. You'd be looking at maybe closer to 2 if you wanted something real fancy like a Gamo Swarm. There's always the old reliable full size 10 pumps that are nearly half the price of a 1322 but having to make a follow up shot with another manual load and pump does suck under stress. Break barrels without fancy features are probably about 100.
>>64624292>NJ.Okay that makes sense. I'll be going up there in a few weeks to visit some family for Christmas. Happy hunting & Merry Christmas anon!
