An endless spider's web left behind by fiber optic FPVs in Ukraine
>>64624577And when the light's just right you can follow those fibers right back to the sender.
>>64624577Amazing. Someone should post that video of some guys trudging through a field and having huge batting spools of that crap all over their shins.
what kinda spiders they got in ukraine god DAMN cryptids ain't got shit on fucking mirkwood there
>>64624681That was a based video.>>64624586Doesn't work, they use a single dude to put new ones out well away from the guy controlling it, and that guy is near the entrance to a DEEP bunker.
Start coming up with the wire removal business now anons. itll be the new mine clearing racket.
>>64624577These Operations are culminating in some kind of Spider's Web
>>64624577Wow even Donbabwe has more fiber than my 30 year old Boomer Coax ISP.
>>64624897How have you not got fiber yet? I live in bumfuck nowhere and they put in a fiber line.
>>64624877I got it, have a bunch of drones with magnets come and pick up the lines.
>>64624909They made some shitty acquisitions and spend more servicing debt than upgrading the street.
>>64624921Damn, sorry to hear that.
>>64624918They're glass fiber
>>64624877Drone with a hook that flies above them and drags them along to a collection point. Kind of like a dragnet fishing
>>64624877Gigantic spinning fork in the middle of the wire field.
Birds nests are going to be weird in ukraine the next couple of years.
>>64624995>next couple of years>Drone fiber optic (FO) wires in Ukraine degrade extremely slowly, potentially persisting for hundreds of years (over 600 years) in the environment, acting like dangerous plastic pollution (ghost gear) that entangles wildlife and doesn't naturally break down
>>64625217ziggers started using the fiber first. and if there were no zigger invasion there would be no fiber drones, everyone would still happily live in the GWOT meta
>>64625429Is it unnatural when birds and rodents snap the fibers into smaller sections to make nests out of?
>>64624577I think it's time we ban not fighting like men. No weapons should be allowed in war.
>>64624577the environmental implications in the aftermath of this war would be catastrophic.
>>64625527Theres a problem with that, its like a prisoners dilemma, whoever just uses weapons is better off
It's going to be a real mess to clean up after the war. Fuck Russia, fuck Putin. Hang that bastard.
>>64625455>>64624995nah they'll get tangled up and die>>64624877definitely more safe though
>>64625649>Hang that bastard.We won't lack wires to do so, at least.
>>64625812>t. seething tranny
>>64625803I like how even vatniks cannot deny that the Russian economy is fucked and that the only way out is foreign money... that they have no way of demanding.
>>64625803I like how russians think they will get anything. Even if kiev falls tomorrow, assets are still freezed and you aint getting shit. Even latest Mulatoff-Retardrop deal allocates these for investments in Ukraine. Enjoy pyrrhic victory and go learn Chinese.
Yes. These are just fiber optic cables. There is no way that Ukraine would have giant spiders bred for eating russians.
>>64625812>Donbass Nation's Republic and the Lugansk Nation's Republic.umm sweaty did your marching orders not get updated? these republics do not exist, they were annexed into the Russian Federation and will forever be part of it, like the city of Kherson
Imagine panicing during a night-battle, running through the dark woods and then getting tangled into that mess.Straight out of a fucking nightmare.
>>64625851I honestly miss the days of completely schizo-tier propaganda from the russians about biolabs and zombie black soldiers.
>>64624995
>>64624681>>64624863Post the video, I seem to have missed it.
>>64624993As a bonus you can disguise your mobile gap generators as fiberoptic web gatherers.
>>64625861I think this IS the most telling, they used to be called Donetsk/Lugansk People's Republic, the name he uses suggests a change to some "Ethnic Soviet Republic in the ass-end of USSR" style entity, bit I can't be arsed to check if that's true.
>>64625812>Donbass Nation's Republic and the Lugansk Nation's Republic.Check your translation, Pajeet.
>>64624877Free visas for Romanians.
>>64624681>video of some guys trudging through a field and having huge batting spools of that crap all over their shinsThere's a video of a zigger motorbike getting tangled up in it and wiping out.Then the drones come.
>>64624993>Gigantic spinning fork in the middle of the wire field.We really should be looking to Italian expertise in this field.
>>64626231>and then the drones cameAnd do did i
>>64624577I kinda wonder, couldn't they also double as some sort of aditional sensor or weapon? You have a network of cables lying around, could they be used to detect vibrations or report contaminants in the air that would imply exhaust gases from a tank? That would be a fun project.
>>64625803>Russia literally cannot lose with the US on its sideStill looking for a deus ex machina.Trump doesn't want to save Russia, he wants to own it.You're just asking for Baron to end up a literal Baron of St Petersburg or something with him technically owning all port infrastructure in the city on behalf of Blackrock.
>>64626245Vibration perhaps but you're more likely to be detecting wind than contact with prey.Possibly you could detect seismic events via them but you could probably just put a probe into the ground and do the same thing.As for gases, what do you think a fibre optic cable is made from? How would that work?
>>64624577Trip wire heaven good luck Alphabetchenko.
>>64626253>How would that work?Well I was thinking about using something different, or putting very low energy sensors along the wire?>Vibration perhaps but you're more likely to be detecting wind than contact with prey.Can't we use the magic of machine learning to tell the difference?
>>64626260>Can't we use magic?Sure, tell me what the magic words are and what they do.>thinking about using something differentSuch as?>putting very low energy sensors along the wire?What sensors?What wire?
>>64624577I imagine bird populations will take a pretty big hit from this, right? Sorry, birb bros :(
>>64626267>I imagine bird populations will take a pretty big hit from this, right?If any of the birds mistake it for something they like to eat then they're in trouble but otherwise, it might not be so bad.Glass fibres a bit sharp at the end but they're also pretty fragile so birds aren't going to get tangled I think, they could break free pretty easily.It probably doesn't look edible to them but it's hard to be sure.I think it requires more study.I don't think it being used as nesting material is a big deal, not unless the sharp ends prick baby birds and lead to infections from open cuts or something. I'm sure the twigs and stalks normally used in nests have a few thorns and sharp ends though so I imagine it's not that serious.
>>64626267I'd imagine all the gunfire and explosions keeps them away
>>64626302
>>64626288I was talking more about them flying into it/not really being able to get into or out of the trees
>>64624577This means that in the next war, for example, the United States of North America vs Greenland or the United States of North America vs Venezuela, this fiber optic web will be numerous.
>>64624586Maybe if there was one or two but with a web like that untangling it to find the right thread is basically impossible.
>>64624877Keep in mind that at least some of them will be attached to unexploded ordnance.
>>64624577It's beautiful! I'm sure it's biodegradable, right? The Europeans are very green oriented.
>>64626365Highly likely unmanned recovery vehicles will be used for this reason.
>>64625561>wouldWILL. it's very much real
>>64626321>United States of North America>ai imgWha...? Differential from the United States of South America ? Is this a bot post?
>>64626373If you start pulling on them then the drone on the other end will also be dragged which could trip its fuse and cause an explosion basically anywhere around. I would think that the fibres would need to be carefully cut and removed in sections so you don't end up pulling on anything.
>>64626302How are Trump and putin suppsoed to do that, exactly? You do udnerstand that Ukriane can just say no, and that there ain't shit either of the two can do about it?PS: Post Kupyansk.-
>>64626308>I was talking more about them flying into it/not really being able to get into or out of the treesI think birds understand spiderwebs and thin stalks and things in general.It would probably be weird vines to them or something.Because it's so easy to snap fibre optic and it doesn't naturally entangle, I think only quite small birds would really be bothered by it and those birds would probably not get caught up in it in the first place.>>64626371>I'm sure it's biodegradableIt's not biodegradable but it's biologically inert.Silicon isn't a very dangerous substance, it's literally food safe in the right forms, silicon dioxide is a common filler material used to make edible powders like salt pour better and prevent clumping and sticking. It's a form of sand.That's in theory what glass fibres would break down to given mechanical action but that isn't present in a field so they'll get mashed into the soil by farm machinery and broken up by farm plows.A plow ought to be able to drag up a bunch of it too, maybe the bulk of it but there would be heaps of short strands left in the mud that would just stay there indefinitely I guess.You might be able to make a device to separate them from soil using water.Use a bulldozer and empty a bucket of mud into a dumpster of water, agitate it a bit and then scoop out the fibre floating on top, drain out most of the water and pour the mud that's left back into the soil. Then advance and repeat.A bit time consuming but if a farmer had something like that, they'd get through all their fields eventually.
>>64626395I was imagining a bomb defusal style robot with tool arms. An imperfect robot is still less risky than humans.
>>64626528>a bomb defusal style robot with tool armsTracked and wheeled vehicles would be at risk of getting fibre tangled up on their axles and in their treads.Walking robots would actually be useful for once because they don't have rotating propulsion, it's easy to cover the mechanical joints and it's trivial to untangle legs.
>>64625925grim
>>64624577Surprised there are no birbs caught in it.
>>64624577
>>64626611Is this from the fog or something?
>>64624909Living in bum fuck nowhere is actually going to increase the chances of fiber, since it's more recently installed. A lot of older neighborhoods won't have it because installing all the infrastructure would cost a lot
>>64626541So a robotic spider to deal with manmade spiderwebs.
>>64625812Dumb cope argument desu. Turkiye is also a recent name, but it's one of the oldest continuously inhabited regions of the world
>>64625851Weird eye arangement for a weaving spider
>>64625861>>64626050it was big deal, a number of leftists from different parts of the world went to fight there because they thought they were helping the international socialist cause, see the Texan dude that got murdered and raped for example, now they apparently just ditched any pretense of that lmao
>>64626375Thirdies have been terminally butt blasted that the official name of the US is United States of America and that the accepted automym/exonym is American. They consider it a grevious insult because it reminds them that they don't matter and no one thinks about them
>>64626693It's hard to prop up fake nations when you just completely depopulated them and destroyed the major cities
>>64625664>nah they'll get tangled up and dieGlass monofilaments are incredibly fragile. If you manage to get snared up in an actual spider's web of them that can spread the load of your struggling you might have an issue, but just a few dozen strands mostly oriented in a single direction won't tangle up anything. Animals can easily break the filaments with their teeth/beaks.
>>64626260>Just splice a sensor into the optic fiber in the middle of the battlefield and then walk back to your lines and find the correct oneWhy not just fly out a fiber optic drone with the sensor on it?
>>64626693>leftism's useful idiots enter their third century of intentionally and unintentionally helping Russia
>>64626720HD video camera, a zoom lens, IR filters and the right software are all you'd need, at least under the right lighting conditions.
>>64626646Looks like The Mist.
>>64626646>>64626738https://youtu.be/aCJb-H4fihQ
>>64626738>Looks like The Mist.Is that movie worth watching?
>>64626817Yes, it's one of the only Stephen King movies worth watching. The ending is better than the book.
>>64626827And there are 2 versions? I saw the first one, worth watching.
>>64626693Still kinda funny that they somehow managed to recruit the son of a CIA bigwig
>>64624877Fiber optic cable is light as a feather and made of nonreactive nonmagnetic plastic polymers and glass.So you take a big rake and rake up the long connected strands of it. But what about little broken off bits?At my job we're trained to use a piece of sticky tape to pick up fiber because a little piece can penetrate you like a needle. You can't sell a grain harvest full of fiber bits to put in children's wheaties.Density separation seems like the only answer. So basically the threshing process we already do anyway but fuckloads more meticulously, I suppose?If you had a brilliant alternative I think that really could be a path to riches.
>>64624577Just when I thought the dystopian cyberpunk future had run out of ways to surprise me.
>>64626836>You can't sell a grain harvest full of fiber bits to put in children's wheaties.You can if you pay the regulator enough.
>>64626693>struggle for the milk
>>64624577Best movie.
>>64626832Its actually not that surprising. A lot of children 180 from their parents.
>>64626836>If you had a brilliant alternative I think that really could be a path to riches.Why?The small pieces will be tilled into the soil. There's no fucking way they'll make it into the grain bin.
>>64626882>A lot of children 180 from their parents.Only for an FPV drone to further flip them 180
>>64624877Like other anons said, some kind of tow line like whats on the bottom of aircraft carrier planes that catch the arresting wire. Put that on a big drone and just skirt the field picking up the wires.>>64624993>Mama Mia! Wire removal services.
>>64624577Kinda cool, it's like a haunted forest from a fantasy setting. World building getting major upgrades from the devs lately
>>64626884If your farming soil is randomly churned with fiber bits then fiber will find its way into crops every time a gentle breeze goes by the soil. This shit isn't like the thick braided covered cable you charge your phone with, this is feather light incredibly fine bullshit. Any harvesting machine would churn it up even if it does nothing but have tires and disturb the air.A very long piece of fiber is no problem, you can wrap it around your arm like a string of christmas lights, but when the light carrying glass shatters you have asbestos on a less horrible but still horrible scale.
>>64626875>William Shatner in>My Giant Cock is on Fire!I'd watch it I guess.
>>64627005>If your farming soil is randomly churned with fiber bits then fiber will find its way into crops every time a gentle breeze goes by the soilIt will end up in there just by uptake, fruit and vegetables pick up random shit from the soil just by growing there.
>>64625909>the pisskey...
>>64627005
>>64626660It’s also a better medium for long haul communications. Optics that go 70 miles are less than $100.
>>64627005Yeah but at the end of the day it will end up in food sent to africa
>>64627005why am i looking at an upside down pussy drip?
>>64627215>why am i looking at an upside down pussy drip?Is this a zoomer update for Rosie Palmer?Because I can see why you'd mistake your fingers for a pussy but I'm not familiar with the expression.
What i've heard is that enough of these fiber cables and they start clogging up vehicle tires like razor wires does.
Funny thing that >>64624577 pic illustrates that after a sufficient amount of optic fiber FPV's the fiber itself will create a "natural" net that will be hard to penetrate with more FPVs. That shit must be impossible to see if you're coming from above the tree line for a strike and even if it's fragile, I'd bet it would still make it hard for a drone to pass through. So once the treetops are covered in this shit, you have to switch to ground level penetration all the way through. And now you have FPVs tying this shit up on all the trees in a forest, and eventually, once again creating "natural" FPV nets all through the forest. And this time it'll be a fucking nightmare to advance through with infantry as well. Machete's would start being a handy tool if you plan to penetrate it, but try doing that during an assault.And so we arrive at my final conclusion: World peace through fiber optic FPVs. Given enough of them, they will make all terrain fucking impassable for infantry, mechanized units & further drones. Thus I posit that to hasten this eventuality, we start all sides of current & future wars with shitloads of fiber optic FPVs to literally tie down any fighting with glass fibers.I'll be waiting for my Nobel Peace Prize, thank you very much.
>>64624577Don't the drones eventually start getting tangled in the web of fibreoptic cables?
>>64627005How much of a problem is it if you swallow some? It's chemically inert.
>>64627635I'm sure that glass fibers don't do anything good to your GI tract
>>64627640Probably not the worst thing that >>64627635 has had down his throat tho
>>64626053Dombabwe and Luganda, together the Commonwealth of LUGANDON or just LDNR+
so this is what the GIANT ENEMY SPIDER does
>>64624681>>64624863>>64626231Seriously, anyone got these videos on hand?
>>64627005A little glass in your field isn't much worse that a little lead, and they have that to. You should worry more about the mental health of the rape survivor, war brides.
>>64627161And foreverchems.
>>64627598>getting tangled in the web of fibreoptic cables?Cope cables, please.
>>64627998Redditchems aren't real
>>64627635Peritonitis. You are eating broken glass.
>>64627640>>64628136But it's really tiny bits of it. You can swallow trace amounts of quartz sand at a beach and it won't put you in any serious danger.
>>64628206>You can swallow trace amounts of quartz sand at a beach and it won't put you in any serious danger.The quartz sand at the beach is also smoothed by abrasion while eating fibers from these FPVs is like eating tiny scalpels.
>>64628206>t. never had a fiber optic glass splinterOk. Perfectly safe to eat fiber optic fibers.
>>64628206nice and small so they can poke tiny holes in all your pipes
>>64628206imagine being this retarded
>>64624877A few C-130 dragging big tail hooks.
>>64624577>>64624877>Ukraine is literally becoming one of the areas from Silksong
Man, to think a few years ago I was complaining that no one was taking the obvious step of using wire-guided drones and now we have a landscape like this.
>>64626039>>64624863>>64627944We're in the Screamers/Toys (1992) timeline.
>>64625925Birbs bouta get comfy
>>64628446This one seemed worth posting too.
>>64628461>it started working>it works somehowThanks for english subtitles
>>64628446Awesome, thanks anon. I wanted to see that with a human for scale.
>>64628461What's that for? Cutting fiber trailing behind actively hunting drones?
>>64625869>nightmareHa ha.Yeah.Nightmare.Ha.
>>64628542Yes, but there's no evidence of it actually doing anything, it's just something that gets posted every time the topic of fiber optic drones comes up.
>>64626245forget that. I want some dude with a flashlight to find the starting pod and illuminate the whole area.
>>64624577this might just be the dumbest war ever.
>>64629071Oh trust me, there's been much, much worse.
>>64629123NTA, but do you have any fun examples?
>>64629071That's only because it's online
>>64628337>A few C-130 dragging big tail hooks.Sky Hooks, if you will.
>>64629071>this might just be the dumbest war ever.Basically all wars are really stupid. It's literally a form of self-destructionEven zerg face type anons tend to accept that the underlying premise of war is stupid and embrace it as a feature.
>>64624577Yeah, right. You know the Chernobyl nukular station? The radiation mutated the spiders in the building and now they grow to 5 meters in size. These are their threads.
>>64628560Arachne, my beloved.
>>64629909It was only a matter of time.
>>64629565Cool story bro but are you going to tell us what this "underlying premise" is?
>>64629909Lies, those spiders were brought by aliens. > To save our mother Earth from any alien attack> From vicious giant insects who have once again come back> We'll unleash all our forces, we won't cut them any slack> The EDF deploys!
meanwhile13.12.2025Tanks — 11409 (+3)Armored fighting vehicle — 23714 (+9)Artillery systems — 35032 (+24)MLRS — 1567 (+1)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1258 (+2)Planes — 432Helicopters — 347UAV — 89684 (+283)Cruise missiles — 4060Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 69717 (+103)Special equipment — 4026 (+2)Military personnel — aprx. 1187780 people (+1300)
>>64624577I mean how do you even clean all that shit up?
>>64632077>what this "underlying premise"1. russia wants its empire back because of cultural reasons, believing they are entitled to it and also their general resentment;2. russia needs its empire back because it can't compete on open market and needs more "local market" to try and sustain its own vision of "civilization", this requires both the ukie land *and* population to be subsumed into russia;3. russia can't afford for ukraine to overtake them in quality of life and normality, as some others ex-ussr (the baltics) and ex-eastern block countries (poland, czechia, etc) did, because it would undermine the regime's authority inside russia;4. russia can't afford for ukraine to starting to extract oil and gas, because that would make it competitor in the EU market (they view current issues as temporary);tl;dr: russia is going over their own weimar syndrome of the 1991 collapse.
>>64627635>How much of a problem is it if you swallow some? It's chemically inert.>It's chemically inert.So is asbestos anon, that's precisely why we liked it so much, being ultra chemically inert made it a super useful material. It's also a major part of the problem with it. It gets into the body and the body can't just dissolve it and get rid of it, thus we discovered that mechanical action irritation can cause problems too not just chemical action and it looked worse. But there's nothing chemical about asbestos that makes it bad, it's the physical size and inertness of it, anything that is similar in size and inertness be it glass or carbon nanotubes is going to have a similar medical effect.Eating it vs breathing it probably is somewhat better but a bunch of shit stuck in your intestinal wall would be bad too, unless stomach acid is enough to actually destroy ti.
>>64632112None of that was the reason for the invasion.At the time the USSR broke up it broke up into THREE nations1)Russia2)Belarus3)UkrainePutin and Lukashenko were waiting with Pens in hand to announce the rebirth of the USSR (incorporating Transnistria of course) with Putin as president as soon as they had their puppet installed after their seven day coup in Ukraine. That was the whole point and that is SYILL the whole point. At that stage Russia really would again become a genuine power rival with the USA and could shape revenge against it for the perception that Reagan (not Marxists Leninism) that destroyed USSR 1.0The sighing was supposed to be Putin's new national holiday 'victory day' 9th March 2022.It's important to understand that this is about remaking the USSR, until you know that nothing makes sense
>>64632112WTF man, the post I'm replying to was talking about all wars. Does Russia live rent free in your head or something?
>>64632128samefag Will Putin stop?Absolutely not. The goal of remaking the USSR is the complete and sole unifying ideology of the entire administrative and oligarch strata in Russia headed by the KGB/FSB and Belarus because that legitimises its existence in the first place. Did you think that the power of the former communist party members just evaporated when the USSR ended? Putin was a sword KGB officer, his oath was not to Russia but to the USSR. Putin consider the breakup of the USSR as histories biggest tragedy.What the fuck did you all think he was doing?Does it all make sense now?
>>64632128Rebuilding of USSR is just the way how they wanted to dress up getting back the parts of the empire, since USSR was just the russian empire.
Imagine if the USA broke up?Do you really not understand that there would be a mass of people who had deep loyalty to the USA and strive to recreate it? People who had deep convictions and taken oaths to it? This is what the USSR IS to Putin and his associates.This was NEVER about the Donbass, Crimea, warm sea ports, keeping the EU off Russia's and Belarus's border. The EU was always on the border of Russia anyway, in Finland, In Poland, trade with the EU was extremely profitable.This is about rebirthing the USSR and that is why Putin and his successor WILL NOT STOP.The only way to stop them is the total military defeat of the Russian ground forces in Ukraine combined with the complete destruction of the Russian conventional weapon arsenal and the end of the KGB regime in Belarus and Russia and make no mistake it IS a kgb regime in those nations and that is exactly what they were working for in Ukraine.The USSR on Putins schedule was due to be reborn on March 9th 2022 as the triumphant reversal of what the KGB consider an absolute unmitigated disaster the breakup of the USSR the institution that they were born in and swore loyalty to.“The collapse of the Soviet Union was the greatest geopolitical catastrophe of the [20th] century.” PutinDo you understand now? Only with the passing of the generation that were in the KGB during the USSR era will this even begin to mitigate. It was to be the crowning glory of Putins historical legacy.
>>64632159No, you need to ignore all the nose from Putin. Do you think he is going to come out and shout at the world that his sole aim in life and that of his colleagues is the rebirth of the USSR? Not the Russian Empire which neither he nor his parents were alive for, the USSR complete with it's flag, symbols and everything he and his KGB colleagues swore an oath to defend. Do you think he sits down with TRump and goes, "You know Donald all this is for the rebirth of the USSR?" No.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9A-u8EoWcI
>>64632184The sentiment is easily understandable. Still retarded tho.
>>64632230Bruh, for russians USSR *is* the russian empire, just in a different dress. That's why they are so butthurt about its dissolution, because when they've creates the whole narrative about it being union of different republics and nations, with explicitly allowing secession, it was never supposed to be real, they didn't think anyone would ever be able to do that.
>>64632184>Imagine if the USA broke up?There are no separate nations in USA, retard
>>64632237He nearly got there. What stopped him far above and beyond anyone's expectations was the capacity of the Ukrainian military to hold back Russia for four years.
>>64632247>Bruh, for russians USSR *is* the russian empire, just in a different dressWrong. The KGB NEVER viewed the Russian Tsarist Empire as the USSR, the USSR was a distinct entity with a distinct flag, anthem and technocratic KGB run police state.Putin is not and never will be a 'Russian' nationalist as he considers Russia to be an illegitimate state and just a fragment of the whole USSR which incorporated Ukraine and Belarus up to its dissolution and prior to that also the Baltics
>>64632283Nah, this is fanfic.
>>64632249Sigh. Are you willingly being thick. Did you miss the analogy or it's purpose? Nations come and go all the time by the way. See the USA for example.
>>64632283You are mistaken. The issue between Russian Empire vs USSR isn't a factor for them. USSR is used just as something which can mobilize people due to nostalgia and also a way to legitimize returning to it. But USSR itself was de-facto the same russian empire as before. The flag, anthem and other shit doesn't matter, neither do the laws. This is russia we are talking about here.What you mistake for repressing "nationalists" is just them not wanting society to start viewing russia as a nation state, because that unironically destroys the empire: nationalists ask why do they need Checnya and why does it get billions from budget, and so on. For the empire they need "imperial nationalists", which is what the soviet union had under the guise of communism and "internationalism", basically you are all cannon fodder and we'll send you money into Africa while you struggle to get food locally. But domestically rusification policies will work in full force and non-russian ethnicities and cultures will be suppressed. Take this from someone who was actually born in USSR.
>>64632289Putin has no living memory of Tsarist Russia or the former Russian Empire. He and his entire circle is based on having been KGB members during the USSR. If you understood more about how the USSR broke up and the final stages of that you would understand why Belarus and Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltics are such an obsession to Putin. He invaded Ukraine as to rebirth the USSR he needs the last three legitimate members of it, that rebirth was supposed to take place on 9th March 2022 followed by the annexation of Georgia into the USSR.
>>64632302The reason why USSR collapsed is because it was yet another colonial (russian) empire, which repressed other ethnicities within it. There were clear lines of division to break apart from. Even the more warm and fuzzy Czechoslovakia broke apart once the boot of KGB was removed from it. Because nobody likes being exploited by some "other" faggots from way far away. This sort of deal doesn't exist in nation states.
>>64632306You really have no insight into Putin or his motivations or what makes him tick and are falling for irrelevant noise. He's not even a Russian nationalist to him the Russian state is an abomination that only came about due to the breakup of the USSR which is HIS nation,.
>>64632317>The reason why USSR collapsed is because it was yet another colonial (russian) empire,Wrong, it collapsed due to command economics administered by technocrats. I'm nor even certain that Putin has genuinely rejected that either, if anything Russia itself is becoming a command economy at this point.
>>64632333>Wrong, it collapsed due to command economics administered by technocratsThat was why it economy collapsed. Russian economy also collapsed in 1998, but that didn't cause the state to disintegrate. Because it wasn't a retarded empire at the time, but a country trying to become normal.
>>64632324>He's not even a Russian nationalist to him the Russian state is an abomination that only came about due to the breakup of the USSR which is HIS nation,.For rulers of Russian Empire the russian people were also some retarded abominations, so...
>>64632317>This sort of deal doesn't exist in nation states.It normally does with the far away people being in the capitals where the civil service is concentrated along with all the economic benefits that entails.
>>64632343The USSR broke up because it failed economically hard mode. I'm sorry you don't get that.
>>64632352You don't understand the basic fact that if there weren't those inherent fault lines in USSR, then even an economic collapse wouldn't cause the disintegration of the country.
>>64632347Again you seem to lack any actual insight into Putin or why he needed Ukraine. The decision to end the USSR was made by three soviets, that of Belarus, Ukraine and Russia."On 8 December (1991), the leaders of Russia, Ukraine, and Belarus secretly met in Belavezhskaya Pushcha, in western Belarus, and signed the Belavezha Accords, which proclaimed the Soviet Union had ceased to exist and announced formation of the Commonwealth of Independent States (CIS) as a looser association to take its place. "The only way for Putin to get it back was for those three states to each waive the Belavezha Accords and reaffirm the legitimacy of the 1922 Union Treaty as the legitimate and sovereign power with all that entails (for example former treaties with the USSR)This really is the entire Purpose of Putin in Ukraine, not the Russian empire, not warm sea ports not the EU, not NATO expansion and it has been a LONG TERM project. Putin saw the western financial crisis as both an opportunity and evidence of the systematic flaws in western capitalism he had been indoctrinated to believe would inevitably collapse. Russia did order two Mistral-class ships from France in 2011, these amphibious ships were ordered THREE YEARS before the coup in Donbass and Luhansk. THis was an entirely KGB driven project from the start and the aim was not ;The Russian empire' or 'Russia' which Putin does not give a fuck about it was about getting the USSR back which should have happened on his schedule on 9th March 2022 following the ratification by the puppet Ukrainian parliament, Belarus and Russia, formally dissolving their sovereign status has illegitimate and vesting sovereign authority in entirety in the USSR 2.0, with Putin as it's president and the FSB back to being the 'sword and shield' of the USSR, the KGB..That is exactly why Putin won't stop. This is his entire life goal.
>>64632359There are fault lines in EVERY geographical national boundary. Please if you want to talk to me show more intellect. (without puerile American exceptionalism nonsense)
>>64632382>Belavezha Accordshttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belovezha_Accords
>>64632382>it can't just be that putin is a sociopathic cunt only interested in his own self-interest and power>no, there HAS to be a deeper motivation hereNo, bro. The monkey is just a cunt looking to take as much banan as he can, nothing more to it. The world is a simple place.
>>64632415The monke banan is called the USSR Don;t visist source onlyhttp://en.kremlin.ru/events/president/transcripts/22931April 25, 200520:31The Kremlin, Moscow"Above all, we should acknowledge that the collapse of the Soviet Union was a major geopolitical disaster of the century. As for the Russian nation, it became a genuine drama. Tens of millions of our co-citizens and compatriots found themselves outside Russian territory. Moreover, the epidemic of disintegration infected Russia itself.Individual savings were depreciated, and old ideals destroyed. Many institutions were disbanded or reformed carelessly. Terrorist intervention and the Khasavyurt capitulation that followed damaged the country's integrity. Oligarchic groups – possessing absolute control over information channels – served exclusively their own corporate interests. Mass poverty began to be seen as the norm. And all this was happening against the backdrop of a dramatic economic downturn, unstable finances, and the paralysis of the social sphere.Many thought or seemed to think at the time that our young democracy was not a continuation of Russian statehood, but its ultimate collapse, the prolonged agony of the Soviet system."https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U06jlgpMtQs>>64632184>This was NEVER about the Donbass, Crimea, warm sea ports, keeping the EU off Russia's and Belarus's border. The EU was always on the border of Russia anyway, in Finland, In Poland, trade with the EU was extremely profitable.>This is about rebirthing the USSR and that is why Putin and his successor WILL NOT STOP.
>>64632415Maybe, Maybe but my interpretation and analysis explains all his motivations like a lego brick with his actions. Your interpretation does not explain the decade long project starting practically in 2011 with considering how to coup Odessa by sea.
influential Soviet spy film series "The Shield and the Sword"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shield_and_the_Sword_(film)https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/putins-spies-are-pulp-fiction-characters-7ndlk7pjlThe Russian president has repeatedly cited The Shield and the Sword as his reason for becoming a KGB officer in 1975. He worked in the Soviet intelligence service for 16 years, rising to the rank of colonel and ending up as head of the FSB, the domestic successor to the KGB.“My notion of the KGB came from romantic spy stories,” Putin says, referring to the television drama he watched at the age of 16. “Books and spy movies took hold of my imagination. What amazed me most of all was how one man’s effort could achieve what whole armies could not.”On a visit to a newly renovated theatre in 2011, Putin sat down at a piano and played the series’ theme tune, What the Motherland Begins With. An “impromptu” three-piece band swiftly joined him, as Putin sang: “It comes from the oath that you swear to her in your youthful heart.”In the 1970s and 1980s the song became the unofficial anthem of the KGB, whose emblem was a shield and a sword, symbolising its twin purposes: defence of the motherland and ruthless espionage to confound her enemies.Putin revealed that he had sung What the Motherland Begins With “and other songs with a similar content” in 2010 at a reunion with ten Russian “sleeper” agents, including the infamous Anna Chapman, ejected from the US after an FBI sting. “I’m not joking, I’m serious,” said the president, describing this musical celebration of his undercover spies: “You need to fulfil the task set in the interests of your motherland for many, many years, exposing yourself and your loved ones to danger”......................Note the Motherland here means the USSR NOT Russia.
>>64632315Yes, that's fine. The thing is that Russians equate the USSR with Russia. The USSR was simply the new Russian Empire. It is not the rebirth of the USSR, it is the reclamation of Russian territory.
So what can you learn1)He will NOT nuke Ukraine. Ukraine is the USSR. 2)He will not stop any peace is temporary (and short) until he controls Ukraine and the pace is dictated by his shortening mortal coil3) This is not about NATO, this is not about the EU, this is not about warm sea ports, this is not about natural resources, no attempts at deal making in relation to any of this will stop him because this is about rebirthing the USSR4)Belarus IS the USSR in waiting under complete KGB control. It has no genuine separate sovereign existence5)Putin is NOT a Russian nationalist. He considers the Russian state he is head of to be a revolting aberration and no more than a component of the USSR like Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltics states which to him are also revolting aberrations as is a sovereign Belarus.
>>64632548>The thing is that Russians equate the USSR with RussiaWhat Russians think is as irrelevant to a KGB officer who views himself as the Shield and the Sword of the USSR as the ideas of a man in a gulag.
>>64632540https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/putins-spies-are-pulp-fiction-characters-7ndlk7pjlmor"Putin came to power vowing to restore the prestige of the intelligence services and the most consistent theme of his rule has been its unapologetic emphasis on the influence of Russian espionage. In 1999, soon after becoming prime minister, he told an audience of intelligence officers gathered at the Lubyanka, the infamous former KGB headquarters: “Dear comrades, the group of FSB agents that you sent to work undercover in the government has accomplished the first part of its mission”."Any analysis of events involving the kremlin that do not grasp the project is the rebirth of the USSR will fail in predictive capacity. That is vastly more important than the welfare of the Russian population or any other consideration. After all Stalin killed 20 Million, Lenin millions more.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmYrXSdIz1Q>>64632540>On a visit to a newly renovated theatre in 2011, Putin sat down at a piano and played the series’ theme tune, What the Motherland Begins With. An “impromptu” three-piece band swiftly joined him, as Putin sang: “It comes from the oath that you swear to her in your youthful heart.”>>64632540>In the 1970s and 1980s the song became the unofficial anthem of the KGB, whose emblem was a shield and a sword, symbolising its twin purposes: defence of the motherland and ruthless espionage to confound her enemies.>>64632540>Note the Motherland here means the USSR NOT Russia.
Can’t believe Trump is going to take away this victory from us.
>>64625851>giant hyperrealistic animatronic spiderGod I miss old movies with practical effects…
>>64632641>Can’t believe Trump is going to take away this victory from us.It's too late. The problem with Putins project was it is grounded in the ideas of a brainwashed kid who joined the KGB and placing the USSR on a pinnacle worth more than even his own life. It does not recognise the dynamics of what Ukraine now is or indeed just how powerful the EU and UK are. Putin will not stop because he wants the USSR not Donbass or Crimea that suits the goal of Russian disarmament, Ukrainian victory and peace quite wellThe narrative from Trump and Moscow may be Ukraine is losing. The battlefield is a quite different narrative of it's own as is the flow of fund and armaments to Ukraine. All Ukraine has to do is play the defence until Russian weapon stocks are diminish beyond what can be used to successfully defend the territory Russia currently occupies. 13.12.2025Tanks — 11409 (+3)Armored fighting vehicle — 23714 (+9)Artillery systems — 35032 (+24)MLRS — 1567 (+1)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1258 (+2)Planes — 432Helicopters — 347UAV — 89684 (+283)Cruise missiles — 4060Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 1Cars and cisterns — 69717 (+103)Special equipment — 4026 (+2)Military personnel — aprx. 1187780 people (+1300)
>>64632230>Do you think he sits down with TRump and goes,"You know Donald all this is for the rebirth of the USSR?" No.He has had long rants about Russia's historical territorial claims with multiple people such as tucker Carlson, whitkoff and it wouldn't surprise me if he atleast tried it with trump himself. He has also gone on record about the collapse of the USSR being a great tragedy.
>>64632760>He has had long rants about Russia's historical territorial claims with multiple people such as tucker Carlson, whitkoff and it wouldn't surprise me if he atleast tried it with trump himself. He has also gone on record about the collapse of the USSR being a great tragedy.He's NEVER going to come out and say he is working towards the rebirth of the USSR for 25 years, thus the incoherent rambling about anything else the EU, NATO, Ukraine not being a nation, children in Donbass, how nice bread smells. I'd love to see his dace if he actually was asked cold with no warning 'Are you trying to pre-establish the USSR?"
>>64626836>adhesive spray>metallic dusting (thermobarics without the boom)>helicopters with giant magnets
>>64632839>I'd love to see his face if he actually was asked cold with no warning 'Are you trying to pre-establish the USSR?"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VUuH4TEmgLo
>>64632230The symbology they choose to dress it up in means nothing. The goal is power and control.
>>64632249What the fuck do you think United STATES means?
>>64624697imagine seeing those webs then remembering you ain't far from Chernobyl.
did Houthie's defeat of USN cause cancelling of frigates?Just asking, and if so was it more: "New info from the encounter shows we need to re-calibrate" from tech Weenies in Pentagon.Or was it more like: "If the Navy can't protect Israel they are dead to me" from Trump's owners.How do we know it was an official defeat of USN?There is no one calling it "The Battle of the Red Sea", much less a lot of shitheads making references to Moses and the Red Sea in relation to USN action.
>>64633420>My team won because no one is using my own personal name for the campaignShithole dwellers have the strangest definitions of victory.
>>64632077>Cool story bro but are you going to tell us what this "underlying premise" is?I wasn't asked, I was just agreeing that it's stupid.Discussions about the causes of the war are kind of pointless because there's dozens of reasons and they probably all influenced the decision. Holding up any one reason is just asking for a contrarian to hold up a different reason and insist that that's the real cause, as if they're all mutually exclusive.You can list all the reasons you can think of if you like but only a forensic examination of Putin's brain by a psychic inquisitor could possibly tell you which ones were in his head at the time.I'm sure his reasons have changed over time anyway, or at leas the weight attached to different reasons.Most people have more than one reason for doing something, when they're in different moods, they focus on different reasons for doing it but if several reasons align, it's pointless to distinguish between them.
