>>64627902>Completed with a Pin & Weld JMAC Keymicro Muzzle Brake 14.5" barrel. with a fucking loudener that's pinned and welded.No opportunity to remove it and replace muzzle adapter w/ suppressor mount.Pass.
>>64627902Looks like something the Soviets would come up with.
>>64628275Well that's fucking retarded. It's a bullpup, why the fuck are you reducing barrel length?
>>64627902Is it just a bullpup'd SCAR, something completely proprietary or an AR frankenstein?
>>64628275People will complain about huxworx P&W and thats probably one of the best ecosystems to be locked into. You're stuck with dead air or adapters, but since they're selling a complete rifle, they must abide by rules. If you care so much and were going to buy one, wait and im sure they'll eventually sell the lower by itself and you can throw any jakl upper you want on it.
>>64628275Anon that's a flash hiderBut yeah. If I released a cowdog I think I woulddo an 18 inch barrel straight off the bat and then compare it to a 16 inch AR for my marketing. Going comically short is appealing but the one and only reason you buy the cowdoggy is for getting a long barrel in a short package, so why you don't leverage that angle from the start is beyond me.
>>64627902>bullpoopNo
>>64628312>Anon that's a flash hiderDoesn't look like a flash hider.
>>64628275>loudenerfucking noguns>no suppressor mountabsolute retard>the Olcan will come with either a SilencerCo ASR or a Dead Air Keymo pin-and-weld muzzle device.don't bother to post anything, quit this board and go back to whatever hole you came from.
>>64628323You retard nigger the thread op has a flash hider.
>>64628334>You retard nigger the thread op has a flash hider.But the 3 for sale right now at PSA are all pin/weld muzzle brake.
>>64628275>no opportunity to removeSkill issue
>>64627902>people are so reddit that theyre even SBR'ing bullpups nowJesus, how long until people are shilling 10.5" PSA olcans?
I don’t want to know what that weighs, the Jakl is a brick
>>64628329nta, but I had to share the range once with a fag with an SBR and huge brake. It is not at all a pleasant combination to be around. Everyone that's not asshole shooting it gets blasted.
>>64627902i think the only reason to do a bullpup is to build bolt/chamber mechanism and trigger around it, something almost no designer has done this far, i'd very much understand having something like the sa81 KRASA in a bullpup package though, that just makes sense to me.. if they wanna go trough the hassle of making a bullpup, why in gods name don't they change the internal workings of the load mechanism as well, the current market is just AR derived slop.. like the KRASA, Vector is also on my list of reasonable bullpups.
>>64628463For me, it's the MGD PM9. The Krasa's quirk is a result of needing to fit a rifle cartridge in grip-mag SMG packaging. It just moves the magazine forward so it doesn't have to fit in the grip anymore, but with a bullpup you already have the magazine behind the grip so you don't have the size constraint that forces you to reposition it. The main thing for stuffing as much gun into as short of a package as possible is getting away from a linear action. The Madsen's tilting block is a great way to do that for a locked breech and the PM9's rotary bolt is the most elegant way I've seen of doing it for blowback. The Vector's angled bolt is neat, but the biggest problem it has even in pistol form is the way the FCG is laid out and I'm not sure that can be fixed, short of maybe converting it to open bolt with a fixed firing pin.
>>64627902Why does PSA have a hard on for Keymo or Silencerco ASR mounts? literally old ass shit, everyone is using Rearden, Plan B, or Xeno, even Dead Air recommends the Xeno over Keymo now. Silencerco will be bankrupt in a few years. Nigger offer us HUX mounts or HUB like Plan B/Xeno.
>>64627902>side controls instead of putting them on the bottom or preferably by the selector>not moving the charging handle forward >14.5" instead of 16" and/or 20"Into the trash it goes
>>64628463>the current market is just AR derived slopwat. Zero of the general current auto (putting aside bolt) bullpup designs are AR-derived: Aug, RDB/RFB, Wlvrn, X95/T7, Hellion.>>64628401What's wrong with SBRing a bullpup? The anons with the desert tech or IWI ones said they liked em, only bummer was no 300bo version.
>>64628463>Vector is also on my list of reasonable bullpups>unbullpup a regular mag-in-grip pistol>add a plastic bullpup body kituh
That ar handguard body is pretty ugly, unfortunately. It looks to me like they took a jakl and bullpuped it, not a fan. They can certainly do better imo.
>>64628863>What's wrong with SBRing a bullpup? The anons with the desert tech or IWI ones said they liked em, only bummer was no 300bo version.yeah honestly looks fun dunno why anyone would dislike the idea once the bs tax goes away in a few weeks
>>64628863>wrong with SBRing a bullpupNothing. It only offends faggot nogunz that get their opinions from Reddit. Ignore them. (Or better yet, ridicule them.)
>>64628863>What's wrong with SBRing a bullpup?Better question is, why the fuck wouldn't you want to? Retard.
>>64629511I personally do want to, but the main reasons not to (assuming you can in the caliber you want) is the generic ones of any SBR: +$200 (going away) and it's theoretically mildly more annoying to cross state lines with (you're supposed to submit a form, unlike with suppressors).
>>64629061yeah that photo wasn't very much related to what i was getting at, >>64628549 got it in an instant.. obv one would rework the rear as to make it even shorter, pic rel.. its a shitty 3 min illustration on to how this would prob end up looking like.. i was complaining about every rifle using the same fakking internal mechanism, even when it's counter productive such as in bullpups.
>>64628549actually, krasa had a much shorter bolt travel due to the fact that magazine was placed in front of the barrel, it provided like 2-3 inches extra barrel, so the bolt travel also got shortened 2-3 inches as well.. krasa is and will always be my nr1 pick for bullpuping the shit out of, just look to where it ejects.. if a bullpup config provides 4-6 inches naturally, this would end up providing another 2-3 inches of barrel length, meaning that you'd end up with 8-9 inches extra boom for your buck, making a bullpup start to sound reasonable.
>>64627902>Apologize to PSA with their don't give a fuck negress customer service who can't put a front sight base on straight. no
>>64631305Is anything quality in late stage capitalism? Even if you pay out the ass this is still the experience you get.
>>64631438>I think "paying out the ass" = an extra $25lol
>>64627902So are these ONLY 14.5 inches or is there like a 20 or even 22 inch version?
>>64628428yep, that's a known issue with SBRs, the blast will annoy everyone especially if it's in a indoor range. there's some muzzle boosters out there that exist also made by JMAC and their sole purpose is to create an echo chamber at the end of the muzzle so the blast and noise get amplified, the ones on that gun are not tho, they are suppressor compatible and are standard muzzle brakes
>>64629858The Madsen has an even shorter action than the Krasa, since the breechblock is non-reciprocating (relative to the barrel, that is; the entire action reciprocates slightly due to the short recoil design. It's possible to make a gas operated version that eliminates this) and while it has sort of an oddball side-feeding design with some special handling requirements, there's no reason why you couldn't make it strip rounds rearward like the Krasa. This would give you an additional 2 or 3 inches even compared to the Krasa action. Alternatively, the PM9 allows blowback operation in a package roughly the same size as the Krasa, which obviously has all of the drawbacks of blowback, but on the other hand its wonderful simplicity is a feature in its own right. Imagine a quad-stack, dual-feed open bolt .30 SC SMG that's 16" long with a 13" barrel and only has 6 moving parts plus three springs (including the FCG as well as the magazine spring and follower).
>>64629840>i was complaining about every rifle using the same fakking internal mechanismare you mentally retarded? just curious
>>64632211>gas operated rotating boltYou had one job, anon.
>>64632330>all guns are made with metal they're all the sameyeah
>>64632353There are lots of options for actions other than gas operated rotating bolt, but there's not really any suitable nonmetallic materials for barrels.
>>64627902I already have a JAKL 10.5 upper, gonna buy the lower and throw it on for a super shorty bullpup
IM READY BROS
>>64627902I will apologize when they realize the VUK
>>64632447Shill the vuk to me, why should I be interested?
>>64632461because its what the AK12 should have been before russian government fucked it up
>>64628275>pin and weld>cant remove itmy local gun store zaps pin and welds out with a laser engraverhttps://atlantarifleworks.com
>>64632447No because they made it gay and retarded. Vuk gen1 was what we all wanted, the real AK12. This shit is just a horrific abomination that's trying to mimic AK aesthetics with fake divots and cutouts. Why they decided to fuck up a good thing I will never know
