Maybe CHINA feels better for them to bring fight closer to home where their large number of less gold plated forces can travel shorter distance to battlefield, plus unlimited basing from mainland.Sorta like how USSR started beating Nazis once the supply lines and partisan situation changed.Ever think of that, numb-nutz?I mention 'partisan' because regardless of what the official position of local Govt, and how bought off by US Govt the stooge is, there are Chinese deeply embedded all over those islands, especially in professional positions like doctors, dentists, electricians, mechanics, you name it, so it would be major burden to Intern them or WTF.PLAN doing battle with USN off CA coast? Problematic for PLAN. PLAN and airforce, advanced land based drones, etc, in a "hairball" in the Island Chains landing hits, and taking hits, but landing hits on the limited number of gold plated USN ships? Much more possible.
chine is still going to lose though. so take your esl ramblings somewhere else.
>>64629548guess where Chinese are also deeply embedded in the most "professional" jobs?US Navy itself, like USN officers. :)When I was at a US Navy shipyard there were gaggles of Chinese women in officer uniforms talking Chinese to each other in front of clueless USN enlisted. When I questioned the Squids WTF were the Chinese women's MOS or WTF, it was all "communications" or EW, etc. They weren't running the laundry or mess if you get my drift.
>>64629590>When I was at a US Navy shipyard there were gaggles of Chinese women in officer uniforms talking Chinese to each other in front of clueless USN enlisted.That was actually a Nintendo welcome party organized for my dad, their chairman.
>>64629590You cannot into grammar and you expect people to believe this larp?
>>64629530>>64629590Implessive.With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
>>64629530>>64629590china are wonned
>>64629530>Sorta like how USSR started beating Nazis once the supply lines and partisan situation changed.Why hello zigger.The current US positions around the coast of China allow them to just wait for targets of opportunity.They can just declare that any ship that goes out of a chinese port will now be fair game to ne hunted ans sunk. Once they start sinking or seizing ships that test that declaration, a lot less ships will go to China and the amount of targets to track will diminish fast. Then it's just a question of waiting for China's trade to dry up. Less fuel, less food, less raw material, less revenue from export,... Sure, life will be expansive without the chinese slaves to build our crap on credit. But we can afford to lose a few pounds of confort.
>>64629651Chinkshills literally never acknowledge anyone who anticipates US targeting of chinese maritime trade. It's hilarious. It's as though their lifetime of mental conditioning prevents them from even looking at such forbidden ideas.
>>64629530>Sorta like how USSR started beating Nazis once the supply lines and partisan situation changed.They wouldn't have without American support to build entire factories that enabled them to actually have trucks for logistics. This enabled them to actually field tanks in sufficient numbers among everything else.But what do you know, you just want too furiously masturbate a state message to try to demoralize while simultaneously getting the dopamine hit for face.
>>64629651>>64629659OP is one of you pretending to be Chinese.Secondly South Korea and Japan are entirely dependent on imported oil, gas, iron, copper and food and will literally collapse if Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles target their shipping which is all in range.They will literally starve and their GDP will go to zero.Same for Taiwan.
>>64629590Because white people are retarded and have no racial in group preference and will give their lands to their enemies
>>64629811>if Chinese anti-ship ballistic missiles target their shipping which is all in range.Do it, faggot.USA doesn't need Japan or Worst Korea to participate in any blockade. And both countries really don't want a conflict with China. But if the chinks are actively firing at neutral ships, then the japs and their former fuckdolls are just going to help the USA to make it stop fast.
>>64629659The 2018 USN War College paper noted that>1. It'll use up valuable hulls needed for the inevitable hot war with the PLA.>2. Require vast amounts of political capital from basically all of the Middle East, SE and E Asia due to the trade disruption.>3. The friendly fire potential is through the roof given that China has the world's biggest merchant fleet who'd be actively trying to run the blockade. And every non-Chinese ship struck further adds to the political costs from the surrounding nations.Technically yes, the USN can do it, but all this for only a marginal decline in China's war-time economic capabilities, which have been further buoyed with the exponential uptake in transportation electrification over the last few years.https://www.hoover.org/events/malacca-myth-lessons-economic-warfare-history-naval-blockades
>>64629530The Soviet Navy was so ass it was getting beaten by the Romanians. Don't know if that's something you want to emulate.
>>64629659Not him but I'd say the other problem is if you blow up a cargo ship headed for Europe, staffed by European citizens, they're going to be pretty fucking pissed. Sinking civilian convoys is some world war 2 level barbarism.
>>64629811So you're saying China will defend itself against the US by pissing off its well-armed neighbors while doing fuckall against the USN? Implessive. Much strategery.
>>64630117The first point can be addressed through arming commercial hulls with gun and/or missile modules and their supporting electronics; though they don't want to be engaging Chinese destroyers, systems like the Patria NEMO allow any ship with the ability to hold a shipping container the ability to sink any ship that can't.SEA is probably jumping at a chance to tear apart the Chinese fishing fleets which have been intruding on their waters and would supplement the USN in hunting Chinese trade ships, perhaps even give them an incentive to with allowances for plunder of whatever they sink and/or capture? Again, it's a matter of arming them so they can engage Chinese coastal defense ships with relative safety; just about anything the Ukrainians have been using to engage the Black Sea Fleet should be adequate for the armed fishers.Final point is indeed a problem, but it's been a problem with every major naval war and can be mitigated with standardized IFF systems.
>>64630117Why do you lie, chinky? You already got so embarrassed in the last thread that you deleted it.>>but all this for only a marginal decline in China's war-time economic capabilities, which have been further buoyed with the exponential uptake in transportation electrification over the last few years.>row, rmao, what kind of wumao cope is this? 80% of China's oil comes from sealanes. China's organic logistics chain has a T3R of barely 1:1 compared to the 1:4 of the US. 70% of the PLA's strategic logistics chain comes from dual use civilian JIT logistics. Please tell me how well JIT holds up under a naval blockade when even just a benign threat like the wuhan flu made those chains collapse.>Also>>one-off 2018 study at the peak of admiral fears from implessive diapersonics>Why don't you look at the CSIS 2023 wargame or CSIS 2025 blockade simulation?The author of this 8 year old study has since updated his views with actual data.>If our oil imports are cut off, it affects the whole nation and the whole nation's economy and we no longer maintain zili gensheng (self-reliance)Basically a blockade is the inevitable result of destroying the PLAN, and it will crush the Chinese economy. Bad faith chinkshill will continue to be a filthy bug.https://www.bakerinstitute.org/research/testimony-us-china-economic-and-security-review-commission
>>64630253Note "coastal defense ship" refers to the escorts used by the Chinese Coast Guard, mostly Type 056 corvettes and their variants, which I would suspect would be the main obstacle to any attempts at disrupting their maritime activities.
>>64630258>also inb4 the US economy can't survive without temu shit if we blockade them and bomb their factories Get fucked.
>>64630258>>64630278>My scenario standsImplessive.
>>64629530China's ability to rely on home field advantage is an edge they have in any conflict in the SCS, absolutely. Good thing the USN and USAF have been establishing forward basing networks in theater for more than half a century. The other problem with fighting on your own doorstep is that China's production chains (which are largely concentrated in their coastal provinces) are in striking distance, while America's are not. The ability to leverage the PLARF and terrestrially based PLAAF launches is definitely integral to Chinese doctrine, though. A shame the Strait of Malacca is far enough away for the PLAN/PLANAAF to be on their own to open it back up.>>64630224The good news is that that is not how international shipping works. The vast majority of shipping from China is done by thirdies that have been all but press ganged into operating ships flagged under a different third world country's flag in order to minimize overhead. Losing the cargo would still be politically difficult, of course, but the lives involved aren't
>>64629590
Since Chyna won't be allowed to retake Taiwan without either Japan and/or the USA interfering they will instead take over the entire South China Sea as a bronze medal.The rest of the world doesn't care about Southeast Asia at all and China can thump their chest with China stronk by beating the paltry Southeast Asian claimants in the area.The language difference between invading Taiwan and taking over islets and atolls in the South China Sea are extremely different among US vassals.
>>64630224Most countries would simply obey. WW1 Germany was starved into submission and the Entente didn't need to sink neutral ships to enforce the blockade. Countries just fell in line. The world survived the COVID paralysis of the the economy, it can survive to stop trading with China.
>>64629530Bro china is shitting out modern ships with aesas and hypersonics like they're temu toys. They have 230x the ship building capacity of the US and are ramping plane production like mad on modern 6th gen designs.They have missile factories that shit out 100x the missiles US factories shit out, fully automated running in the dark.PLEASE challenge them on the sea ways, PLEASE, I want to see chinks shitting out 10x what the US shat out in WW2 and evaporating the USN, It will be so unbelievably /k/ino, i'll happily sacrifice a couple months of aliexpress shipments for that.
>>64630501yeah
>>64629530How does the PLAN intended to protect a cross-strait invasion in an environment swarming with navel kamikaze drones? Ukraine has essentially chased the (albeit grossly inferior) Russian Navy to the far eastern end of the Black Sea. The US war-gamed in the 2000's that they would get absolutely destroyed by suicide boats and 2nd-rate missiles if they entered the Persian Gulf without sterilizing Iran's coastline first. Even if China can easily keep heavy warships away from its coastline, how does it actually plan to take territory in the maritime equivalent of the Ukrainian front-lines?>>64629811I'm pretty sure even the PRC doesn't have enough long range ASBMs to use them as the basis for a naval blockade.>>64630501China's entire battle plan for the USN depends on US Admirals being arrogant retards and moving fleets into range of PRC drones, shore-based missile spam, and ASW defenses. The high seas are still the property of the USN if for no other reason than their SSN's can operate with relative freedom.
>>64630501How brown do you have to be to believe china can win a direct naval confrontation with the united states? Lmao
>>64629530OOOH we're war gaming? Let me try!I send in spooks to Tibet and Xinjiang and begin arming and funding insurgencies. The vast, sparse countryside becomes a nightmare for supply lines and troop movements as they IED the fuck out of the limited highways in the region. Soon you have to divert more and more resources from coastal defense to internal security as your valuable minerals and more importantly, national sovereignty are now in danger. You can spin defending China from foreign invaders but how do you spin a full on revolution in your own borders?
>>64629530>I mention 'partisan' because regardless of what the official position of local Govt, and how bought off by US Govt the stooge is, there are Chinese deeply embedded all over those islands, especially in professional positions like doctors, dentists, electricians, mechanics, you name it, so it would be major burden to Intern them or WTF.>He thinks Ground Branch wouldn't already know who these people are and have a plan for hunting them down.
>>64630312>Losing cargo is politically badIt basically amounts to piracy. You're sinking the property of another country. There's a reason legally speaking, a blockade constitutes an act of war.
>>64630501>Gee I wonder if the worlds largest and most experienced nuke sub force can handle the task of eliminating merchant shipping. Protip, it's not 42 anymore and wolf packs are even more deadly.
>>64630617An act of war against the country being blockaded, not necessarily all of their trading partners. When you start killing said partners' citizens- which was the contention before you picked those goalposts up- is when the situation starts getting hairy.
>>64629590>When I was at a US Navy shipyard there were gaggles of Chinese women in officer uniforms talking Chinese to each other in front of clueless USN enlisted. Its the same in sensitive american research and developement, they hire chinese off the boat, then act surprised when they steal all data. Reactor designs, nuclear warhead designs, torpedo designs, missiles, aircraft etc, all data stolen. They even hire pajeets at Los Alamos now.
>>64629615>You cannot into grammar and you expect people to believe this larp?I've seen the exact same shit reported in chinese spy cases, the chink gets off the boat, then is hired at some government contractor or facility to work with military related stuff, which he promply steals, burns to cd-roms and mails back to china, then he is caught 10 years later by happenstance.
>>64630665As an engineer, I had to listen to my foreign classmates bitch about how impossible it was to get hired by American companies working in aerospace or defense-adjacent industries all the time. Do you have specific examples to refer to here, or are you bullshitting?
god this is such an embarrassing threadstop same fagging chinkshill, and stop replying to him
>>64630594>I send in spooks to Tibet and XinjiangDo you genuinely believe that this hasn't been attempted (and failed) multiple times at this point?Do you genuinely believe that the east Turkmenistan, Tibet separatist and Hong Kong independence movements are organic?
>>64630840Post hand
>>64630840>Do you genuinely believe [separatist movements in historically distinct and forcibly integrated regions] are organicyeah
>>64630840attempts during peace time is one thing, full blown armed conflict with Ground Branch on the ground is another. Beijing doesn't have the apparatus to keep those mini police stations from blowing up or government officials from being assassinated. Full blown gloves off insurgency is a different animal from clandestine color revolution annoyances
>>64630561>China's entire battle plan for the USN depends on US Admirals being arrogant retards and moving fleets into range of PRC drones, shore-based missile spam, and ASW defenses.America's entire battle plan hinges on the chinks being total morons running on a single track offensive plan. The chinks have no reason to attack because America is slowly sinking in a bottomless quagmire created by itself. Why would they attack now when they will be able to anschluss Taiwan for free in 2055? You will go "but that is 30 years away!". 30 years is nothing for people who make 100 year plans. How many carriers do you think America will have in 30 years? SSNs? DDGs? Go and check future fleet projections. You might be surprised.
>>64630862>Beijing doesn't have the apparatus to keep those mini police stations from blowing up or government officials from being assassinatedYes they do, they dedicated an entire armed branch towards it.Do people just not remember the flamethrower approach against insurgencies?In any case logistics into Tibet and Xinjiang lies at the worst spots for American glowies - over the hump is a non starter and Xinjiang isn't much better, not to mention the entire reason for border garrisons was to guard against Russian and Indian aggression, hunting infiltrators and insurgencies is literally all they do.There's a reason why the Dalai Lama takes a back seat compared to the celebrity status of the 90s, the idiot isn't useful anymore.Hong Kong, on the other hand, is a much better target. Not that it worked.
>>64630877lol
>>64630594>>64630860>>64630862The first CIA agent to die on the battlefield was Douglas MacKiernan.He was trying to stir up insurgencies against China with ethnic minorities.He dressed as a Kazakh in Xinjiang.He then went south to TibetUnfortunately, the retard didn't realise that Tibetans and Kazakhs hated each other and were killing each other for years.The 14th Dalai Lama's Tibetan troops arrested Douglas Mackiernan and summarily executed him.He literally swallowed America's own propaganda that all ethnic minorities hate only Han but love each other and would unite against Han.Tibetans hate Kazakh Muslims and Hui Muslims more than Han. Tibetans even attack their mosques and restaurants.Most American agents are similarly high on their own propaganda.
>>64630885>Douglas MacKiernan>died in 1950lol, lmao even
>>64630885>american propaganda about something something random chink ethnicitiesits funny that you think the average american knows or cares about the intricacies of your dumb ass country lol
>>64630885And that is why China had to Sinicize Tibet and end Lama fascism. Everyone clapped.
>>64629590>When I was at a US Navy shipyard there were gaggles of Chinese women in officer uniforms talking Chinese to each other in front of clueless USN enlisted.
>>64630894>>64630885This probably makes the chinkshill seethe since he knows literally every thing about america, including this random spook from the 1950sAmericans genuinely dont think about or care about the chinks while they obsess over usPathetic
>>64630880Official border crossings on mountain frontiers look impressive on paper but they leak like sieves, you don't need mass armadas of tanks either, just enough semtex and a couple rifles to start killing officials is all you need. China is not some impenetrable fortress that illegal goods stay out of.
>>64630877>30 years is nothing for people who make 100 year plans.The PRC hasn't even existed for 100 years yet. China has spent the vast majority of it's history concerned with internal and continental warfare. What centuries-long plan are you referring to? Be specific.>How many carriers do you think America will have in 30 years? SSNs? DDGs? Go and check future fleet projections.Okay. 9 CVNs, 12 SSBNs, 70 SSGNs and assorted attack submarines, 77 DDGs. Now what?
>>64630687>As an engineer, I had to listen to my foreign classmates bitch about how impossible it was to get hired by American companies working in aerospace or defense-adjacent industries all the time. Do you have specific examples to refer to here, or are you bullshitting?Go and read up on chink spy cases for yourself. Chinks are also deeply embedded in US cutting edge R&D academia.
>chink thread>wah wah wahAt least talk about their guns, tanks, planes, whatever instead of some dumb self-wank scenario. Oh wait, can't talk about their equipment either because it's all fucking speculation besides that qbz rifle keyholing at 5 yards or whatever the fuck distances it was.
>>64630911You know what?You've convinced me.I think every American alphabet soup agency and civilian contractor such as Palantir should start dedicating all available resources to move as much guns and Semtex into Tibet and Xinjiang.Do it. I want to see this.
>>64630925So no specifics and just bullshitting, thanks for clearing that up.
Has west taiwan re-engined all the early j20 to the ws15?
>>64630928>Oh wait, can't talk about their equipment either because it's all fucking speculationWe can talk about the type 56 destroyer but the sharting starts pretty quick whenever that happens.Should we talk about the cancellation/Zumwalt/lcs instead?
>>64630936I want you to look at a map of China's western provinces. See those sparse, long, lonesome highways? That's an IED nightmare
>>64630911You give Tibetans semtex, they will start blowing up Hui mosques and Kazakh mosques lmao.Majority of violence is between Tibetans and Muslims. They openly fought massive wars with Hui Muslim warlords and Kazakh Muslims in the 1920s and 1930s and still engage in communal violence with Hui now. They regularly attack Hui mosques.South Ossetia and Abkhazia are a thing because minorities in Soviet Union genuinely hated each other, Russia didn't create those conflicts between Georgians and Abkhazians and Ossetians.Ingush Muslims and Ossetians in Russia hate each other. In China many ethnic minorities also hate each other.Kazakh Muslims also killed Hui Muslims in Kazakhstan in 2020.
>>64630110>then the japs and their former fuckdolls are just going to help the USA to make it stop fast.Sure they will. After all, Trump’s tarrffs in the name of America First and Only have made the US more popular with them as they see how based and redpilled we are. Starting a war in the name of destroying any filthy slant-eyes who dare enrich themselves to a level that makes white people feel uncomfortable about their supremacy will surely have the rest of the filthy slant-eyes jump at the opportunity to put their lives on the line for that ideology.
>>64630949Do it. Go for it.I genuinely need to see American glowies dressing up like the Taliban, driving whole 18 wheelers/humvees full of guns, ammo and explosive, navigating the Gobi desert after going over the Himalayas, then planting IEDs on highways while convincing the locals to not rat them out because blowing up the roads to the biggest economic center in a 5000 miles radius is in their best interest.Do it faggot.
>>64630920>Okay. 9 CVNs, 12 SSBNs, 70 SSGNs and assorted attack submarines, 77 DDGs. Now what?Ok. Now account for economic and infrastructural realities. You will end up with a 100 ship navy. You have to account for fundamenta when making future projections, and USN fundamenta is very poor, not only because of the practice known as "deferred maintenance" of ships and shipyards but also because of deindustralization caused by financialization. Do you know that there are 20 USN SSNs sitting redlined in port waiting for a dock and a work crew to be freed up? Thats a sign of a navy with very unhealthy fundamenta. Wishful paper projections are nothing. Look at the real picture. The chinks will easily defeat the USN of 2055 and they know it. So why would they attack in 2025?
>>64630949Uyghurs don't live in the desert unlike Bedouin nomads in Anbar desert in Iraq.Uyghurs have been farmers for the past 1000 years and live in the oases farms and cities, literally no Uyghur lives in the middle of the TaklamakanThey don't blend into the desert like Bedouins do with their hit and run attacks.
>>64630278Weird that the trade numbers have barely moved. If the share has massivelly decreased while the numbers stay the same that would have to mean US manufacturing took a huge nosedive and we added a ton of imports from other countries to try to make up for it.https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html
>>64630974>Superpower by 2055!!!!!You can't make this shit up lol
>>64630941>So no specifics and just bullshitting, thanks for clearing that up.The chinks have stolen the blueprints for the B61 nuclear warhead, the Mk48 torpedo (of which they manufacture a clone), the F35, etc etc. China was in the late iron age in 1920. In 1990, they were at a level comparable to 1950 from Soviet tech transfers before the split. In 2025, they are at a peer level. And this is because of America being their source for everything.
>>64630984Rerard it means were simply importing more from places other than China
>>64630278to be fair the important stuff is all high-pollution shit that no one wants in their country, like steel
>>64630984>It would mean American manufacturing took a huge nosediveDon't forget, GDP and American productivity is still going up :^)Economists are very trustworthy :v)
>>64630974row, rmao>Crew and hull readiness rates for thee, but not for me! How fucking delusional are you
>>64630971>He has no idea what an insurgency actually looks likeI love this idiot
>>64630987Chinese scientist Chien-shiung Wu helped build the original atomic bomb in the Manhattan project.Chinese scientist Qian Xuesen worked in the original US ballistic missiles program to develop ICBMs and his cousin Qian Xueju worked in the original US jet fighter program.Chinese helped build the original nuclear bomb and missiles.
>>64630984That's the beauty of being a Maritime power. You don't have to make everything a fortress within your own borders, just do it where your friends are. China cannot do this type of bilateral relationship.>>64630992Even Europoors have enacted steel tariffs on China to keep their industry alive. China's only hope is NQPF but ironically those are being tariffed the hardest over cheap raw materials because no one wants their nascent local next generation industries crushed by chinkshit. They're only selling to very brown and nigger countries with a GDP of half a bagel.
>>64630987>In 1990, they were at a level comparable to 1950 China had ICBMs and thermonuclear warheads in the 1970s.Again you're deluding yourself.
>>64631015>I watched one dwarkesh Patel interview and I am now an expert on grand strategyJesus Christ my dude.
>>64631025How else would you like me to put it? Would you like to call Ms Paine wrong?
>>64631013None of those people lived in communist China.
>>64630974>just look at the projections pigdog, the USN is going to be a cakewalk!>oh shit, the projections support the USN continuing to be the dominant naval force>uhhhh the projections are a lie gweilo, the important thing is that the USN is weak and the PLAN is strongAgainst my better judgement, I am going to admit that the War on Terror and its consequences have been a disaster for naval procurement and maintenance. I am now going to point out that:>America has been overfunding our naval procurement programs to tackle the issue since 2015>these are projections from the Congressional Budget Office, which are explicitly alarmist in nature and more conservative than the USN's own figures>in 2020 the USN maintenance was delayed by 7,700 days cumulatively>in 2023 that dropped to 3,006>in 2024 that dropped to 2,134So overall I feel confident that the projections are accounting for economic and infrastructural realities. Now, what was that about a century-long plan again? Also, the plural form of "fundamental" is "fundamentals."
>>64631041NTA but one defected there after we deported him, and he single-handed brought the program over the finish line. Kind of stupid of us.
>>64631022>China had ICBMs and thermonuclear warheads in the 1970s.>Again you're deluding yourself.Thermonuclear warheads are actually from the 1950s, so are ICBMs. And the general tech level of China was stuck in the 50's in 1990. They didnt advance much on their own. It was with the massive infusion of capital and know how from America they propelled themselves to the top. I remember how common americans objected to this on the early internet BBS boards in the late 1990s, and they were brushed off with arguments such as "the chinese can only do laundry and take away food" and similar bullshit. The present day situation was very much predicted down to small details. Here, a common american bearing eyewitness from the early 1990s, before the Great Sucking Sound was heard. It happened while you were still swimming in circles in your dad's nutsack, so you wont know about it, of course.
LOL west taiwan military.
>>64631050I thought it was the Jewish physicists from Germany that did that.
>>64631043Same shit in 2017/2018.China had just fielded their new hypersonics to bolster their a2/ad. The J-20 entered service. They surpassed the USN in number of hulls in 2015. The US had zero REE bridge and had 20%+ direct imports from China. Their GDP growth was still high and their demographics were decent. Yes, they had no sealift and everything they had was a hollow force and still is to a degree to this day, but Xi just said 'surely the decadent wect will tear itself apart by the time we are ready'. GUESS WHAT? 2017 would have been orders of magnitude easier for the chinks to take Taiwan yet they keep on deluding themselves that they can keep buying time and the west will fall any day now.
>>64631034The premise for maritime power relies on the power of trade - which is to say, there needs to be inefficiencies for alliances to take advantage of from one another. Country x needs to be good at making thing A and bad at making thing b, while country y needs to be good at making thing b while bad at making thing a.You'll note that America being bad at making everything is the entire reason why the 2016~2025 trade wars started (yes it's been almost 10 years, and yes the situation has changed, America has gotten worse at making everything from a to z)This is without poking more obvious holes like "when the fuck has any Eurocentric power ever signed an equal trade treaty"?There was NAFTA but that was torn up. Guess why? (Hint: it was equal and working)
>>64631078Zero sum, zigger mindset applied to the US. Zero points for you.
>>64630987Just to bring this conversation back around to where we started, you have yet to identify a single case of a Chinese infiltrator being hired fresh off the boat and given access to defense related sensitive information. The purpose of providing such an example is to buttress the claim that the modern USN has been compromised by such infiltrators in key roles such as EW and comms. So do you have an example or are you going to continue bullshitting?
>>64631097I dare you to call tearing up NAFTA as anything but a zigger move.
>>64631043USN is not only behind on maintenance of its ships but also of its facilities. And it cannot do R&D any more, a sure sign of a collapsing organisation. To expand the navy, it would be necessary to construct several new shipyards or expand the current ones, and hire tens of thousands of new sailors and shipyard workers just to man and maintain these ships. I do not see that happening, no matter what your projection says.
>>64631108> The U.S. and South Korea released details of a trade agreement on Friday that includes a $150 billion Korean investment in the American shipbuilding sector https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-south-korea-release-details-deal-including-korean-investment-shipbuilding-2025-11-14/?
>>64631108>To expand the navy, it would be necessary to construct several new shipyards or expand the current ones, and hire tens of thousands of new sailors and shipyard workers just to man and maintain these ships. I do not see that happeningExpansions are underway in Portsmouth and Puget Sound. Further expansions in those locations, Norfolk, and Pearl Harbor are in the budget currently being discussed for FY2026. Ingalls now under capacity at their Mississippi location and recently purchased another in South Carolina. HII and Austal have both started domestic outsourcing of assembly in order to increase capacity, on top of the outsourcing agreements with SK and Japan. You simply aren't looking, just like you hoped I wouldn't look at future fleet projections. >And it cannot do R&D any more, a sure sign of a collapsing organisationI'm not going to give the idea that the USN is incapable of R&D any credence when the Manta Ray completed initial sea trials, we received the final Block IV Virginia, unveiled the AIM-174B, and successfully had one USV refuel another while underway for the first time last year.Now, again, what was that hundred year long plan you were touting as evidence of China's ability to relay solely on playing the long game?
>>64631108>hire tens of thousands of new sailors and shipyard workers just to man and maintain these shipsSounds fairly easy to do with 30 years of time and healthy demographics. How is China planning to man their big shiny PLAN in 2055?
>another mutt seethe wave over the evergrowing chinese economy
>>64631429Taiwan and South Korea have LOWER birthrates than China.There won't be a single young person in Taiwan in 2055.Taiwan is facing catastrophic demographic collapse.The US forced population control programs on Japan, Taiwan and South Korea in the 1950s and 1960s, when opening their economies and moving factories there.The US demanded China copy Taiwan and South Korea's population control policies in the 1970s.
>>64631492 lol west taiwan will take generations to recover from the one child policy.
>>64631480>another chinkmutt seethe wave over the ever dilapitating chinese economyyes, chinkmutts do project about being mutts a lot, don't they?
>>64631492Rapechink, is that you?
>>64631492>retarded chink lolcow already angry and emotionally unstable enough to start spamming copy pasted metoditchkakek
It's ok to like China
>>64631554it's okay to like shitholes, of course, i myself am partial to somalilanders, just love those lil' niggas, they got spirit.doesn't mean it won't attract mockery when you try to fluff them up as more than they are though.
>>64631554China is the greatest threat to democracy.Whereas our american values have guided us on a path to liberty and happiness, these fucking rice niggers have the audacity to fucking work.Do you like working? Do you want to do the shit that the chinese do? Fuck no.This is why we need to crush these goddamn slant eye bugs under our feet and demonstrate to the world that we're number one, we can sit on our asses all day collecting snp index growth and not a single one of these thirdie fucks will ever amount to anything before we drop fifteen billion dollars worth of tomahawks on their shitty little factories. It's America first or it's the end of the world.Bend over.
Chinese espionage in the United States is so widespread that it even has its own wiki page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_espionage_in_the_United_States" In 2021, acting NCSC Director Michael Orlando estimated that China stole between $200 billion and $600 billion worth of American intellectual property every year.[22] Between October 2002 and January 2003, five Chinese businessmen were accused of illegally shipping equipment and trade secrets from California to China,[23] and US officials prevented a Chinese man from shipping a new, high-speed computer used in classified projects (including nuclear-weapons development) from Sandia National Laboratories.[23]"Elsewhere the chinks just _hire_ the people they need. F.ex back in 2001 when Ericsson in Sweden started to boot swedish engineers to replace them with far cheaper pajeets, the swedes got hired by a then unknown chink company name Huawei to do R&D. 24 years later Ericsson is reduced to a tier 3 tech provider while Huawei is solidly in tier 1. "China is known to have stolen classified information on the W-56 Minuteman II ICBM, the W-62 Minuteman III ICBM, the W-70 Lance short-range ballistic missile (SRBM), the W-76 Trident C-4 submarine-launched ballistic missile (SLBM), the W-78 Minuteman III Mark 12A ICBM, the W-87 Peacekeeper ICBM and the W-88 Trident D-5 SLBM and weapon-design concepts and features.[41]"At this stage, the question is not what the chinks have stolen from America trough espionage, the question is what they have NOT stolen. And I find it amazing that americans deny that they have been completely looted due to their own demented policies and ideologies because "we're smart so it cant happen to us uuuuhh-raaah".
the weak fears the strong.>the supreme art of war is to subjugate your enemy without firing a single shot. Also give them some face.-General Secretary Xi "God Emperor of Mankind" Jiping.
>>64631636>rename to department of war>immediately make peaceI'm not delusional enough to pretend that the chinks give a flying fuck about american intentions in the pacific, but goddamn.
>>64631516Taiwan, South Korea and Japan won't even exist in decades.Japan is accepting 500,000 Indian migrants in the latest agreement.
>>64631590Impressive.With this most recent achievement, fate has in a single stroke, marked the decline of the west and spelled a new era of wondrous prosperity and peaceful global dominance for the Chinese dragon, which promises to firmly stand in sharp contrast to the historically bloody ascent of western powers and the cruel subjugation it brought to the humbler nations of the world. With the blessings of Chinese quantum direct-current electricity, quantum aircraft carriers and quantum enhanced railguns will be the instruments with which China affirms its noble stewardship of 21st century world politics and offers the non-western world a different option; an humanist alternative to the depredations of Western leadership and the opportunity for a more equitable and dignified multilateralism.
>>64631590What do you think you achieve by telling the USA they would benefit by openly executing all asian people in the sciences in their country? And you think you're intelligent?
>>64631590The original point was that the Chinks had thoroughly infiltrated the USN and the American-aligned defense apparatus in the Pacific. This infiltration would then serve as the basis for partisan activities. It was alleged that such infiltration is common, with Chinese nationals being hired "fresh off the boat" into American defense contractors and related industries.Backpedaling now to simple allegations that China conducts espionage of some form is known as the "Motte and Bailey" fallacy. It is stepping away an indefensible argument to one that is more defensible, and then using that second argument to reinforce the first position. In the West, perpetrating such a fallacy causes the perpetrator to lose face.
>chinkshills claiming decadent wect, you lost already ror>anon posting stats and chart showing long term trend favors the us even with all the current deficits >chink has no argument and starts retarded posting every times
There won't be usa china war americans have already backed down on way smaller opponent like russia.
I mean China has 6th gen and the US has 6 ppts and jpegs? What is there to even discuss? Better spend resources securing Latin America like what wise Trump is doing now. Asia is lost. It's over.Anyone advocating for confronting China should be executed for treason desu.
>>64629590I am currently at PSNS and I'm at Bangor a few times a week and I can count the number of Chinese sailors/officers I see on one hand. Not all Asians are chinks, anonThat said Chinese "tourists" are pulling up to charleston gate non stop trying to get on base
>>64631784>china has 6th genit doesn't, it also doesn't have a 5th gen, this makes you seethe.you realize that we know all of the last few posts fantasizing about "le US has already backed down" are from you right? you're so mad right now and you're not even hiding it.
>>64630561>US Admirals being arrogant retardsThis unfortunately is a real possibility
>>64631688>The original point was that the Chinks had thoroughly infiltrated the USN and the American-aligned defense apparatus in the PacificThat point was made by a different poster than me. I just pointed out that the chinks have stolen just about everything secret in America, so much that its absurd. And they have done this with the tacit permission of the american government, or, they have done this due to a grotesque level of american incompetence.
>>64631823well I trust my rep more than you. You are not even American.>US representative speaking to Congress about 3 Chinese 6th gen fighters 2 weeks agohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=5&v=akroQFfXS0o&embeds_referring_euri=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.reddit.com%2F>inb4 he was.. asking for more money... nopeprogram gets canceled and downsized left and right. We don't need no 6th gen and Constellation shit to dominate Latin America.
>>64631859there is nothing to "steal." Intellectual "properties" are not real. It is just a mean for the jews to rentseek. I can give you the blue print of an iphone and you can't do jackshit with it.
>>64630954>You give Tibetans semtex, they will start blowing up Hui mosques and Kazakh mosques lmaoWorth it
>>64631861cont.more sensible decision for Trump. >there is NO WAY they cut such a high profile program!Yes. Trump promised to drain the swamp and he did it. No such things as sunk cost and too big to fail. Swamps drained. Promises kept. I voted for Trump and will vote for him again in 2028.
>>64630947>Should we talk about the cancellation/Zumwalt/lcs instead?Why? We tried to have a thread about it last week and people can't help themselves but constantly intentionally shit it up and just stick to the same old tired talking points no matter how much evidence is presented.Like, we STILL can't get past whether the LCSs are frigates are not.
>>64631868>there is nothing to "steal." Intellectual "properties" are not real. It is just a mean for the jews to rentseek. I can give you the blue print of an iphone and you can't do jackshit with it.Let me rephrase it like this then. The chinks have stolen and are stealing classified information about how to make the best american weapons. And they steal R&D on yet to be built weapons.
>>64631902>the best american weapons>yet to be built weaponshow do you even know if they are even good let alone "best?" Why are they not built? Are we too stupid to see whether they work or not? Or are we too incompetent to build anything?Either way, how does the stealing even change anything?
>>64631589China has changed a lot in the past 5 years and many of cities genuinely look better than America. I've been learning mandarin so I can visit myself
>>64629530>This LARP ass thread again about PLAN's implessive strengthI cast a carrier group blockading the Malacca Strait and a battalion of marines in Singapore. Feed me chink twinks
>>64631976I cast a tanker full of crude oil and explosives in the Strait and dare you to shoot it. Watch Singapore murder your marines in response.
>>64631998>Implying it would reach the strait before it gets intercepted in the Indian Ocean by drones.we can do this all day gutter oil
>>64632004>oil can only come from the Indian oceanror
and if the USN gets slaughtered/skullfucked in the SCS, what makes you think they will fare better in the Indian ocean esp near SEA? Like do you even look at a map?kek
>>64632018Bitch where else is it supposed to transit from to get to Chinese ports? Space?
>>64632032from a country that produce 5 million+ barrels a day?
