South Africa is looking to replace their Olifant 2 tanks. What should they buy?
>>64630756Wakandan tanks
>>64630756Electricity
>>64630756To me, South Africa strikes me as one of those countries that doesn't need a credible peer military at all. Who the fuck is going to invade them? Zimbabwe? Namibia?
It's probably going to be some Chinese crap. They should piggy back on some Euro order.
>>64630756CV90-120.
>>64630784Are they still under embargo? Maybe they can get Merkevas or just drop tanks entirely and transition to light, heavily armed cars like the Centauro or AMX-10. I mean they already have the Rooikat so more wheeled gun platforms seems like a better move for them
>>64630846Have... have you been asleep for 35 years? Apartheid finished, why would they still be embargoed?
>>64630857Because fuck 'em. I thought Cuba and Argentina were also still under embargo too, just because we forgot to lift it
>>64630780The remnants of civilization will need to, at some point, start shooting the local darkies.
>>64630846>MerkevasThey hate Israel
Just buy K2, like most of medium sized countries that don't really need top end model
>>64630846>Maybe they can get MerkevasAfter the ICJ stunt they pulled? lol
>>64630756They should turn to Germany and get them some Ottifanten.
>>64630933>>64630929Sorry I'm not brushed up with current events. When did the saffers and the jews have a falling out? What ICJ stunt?
>>64630942Israel supported the Apartheid government.
>>64630942South African took an action in ICJ over Israeli conduct in Gaza. It was an opportunity for them to show their human rights credentials and distract from the shithole they created at home.
>failed state>spend billions on armamentswhere did we see that before?
>>64631040France?
>>64631040Arms Deal.We don't even spend 2% of GDP on defense. We can't afford new equipment as most of shit is in disrepair and or mothballed. Biggest threat is internal instability and our gallivanting in D.R.C was dissaterous to say the least. Old soldiers. No budget. Shitty equipment and low integrity.
>>64631069>our gallivanting in D.R.C was dissaterous to say the least[sic]QRD?
>>64630857Trump's putting them under a US embargo because of the white genocide thing Musk keeps telling him about
>>64630988the case collapsed and was an embarrassing failure.
>>64631090Not like SA can afford US stuff anyways.
>>64631090Trump isn't doing anything, because he can't and he forgets what he was thinking about yesterday until one of his handlers reminds him.
>>64630756what do their neighboring countries use?
>>64631123Like I said, Musk keeps reminding him about it
>>64630837is this a good idea?seems to be the way brazil is heading, using the same turret their centauro II uses
>>64631131Musk kicked off the whole Epstein shitshow again after it had calmed down. Safe to say he's on Trump's shitlist.
>>64631069If internal instability is your largest threat then having a strong army can backfire.
>>64631125T-55's.
>>64631156Higher tech level than Russia then.
>>64631138After trump made him look like a bitch when the tariff fuck up was being introduced? He'll still crawl on his knees to suck trump's dick
semi related to this thread does SA still prefer wheels?I used to see people say that on this board
>>64631132It makes sense in my mind, it's a small, somewhat modern platform, and South Africa has no need for actual tanks, they need more light technicals and MRAP's to patrol their borders.A Centauro would be another pick if they really needed wheels.
>>64631211tanks generally aren't used that much in africa. wheeled vehicles have big advantages if you don't need to worry about tanks.
>>64631080No air support. No organic airlift capability. Weak logistics. Bad trigger discipline. Battle of goma resulted in ~14 dead and ~2000 troops stuck in country for a while after the defeat.We have no business peacekeeping because of weak force projection. It was just a stupid exercise of political theatrics and policticians probably pocketing that sweet sweet U.N money.T. African Jamsheed
>>64631498Ouch. You have my sympathy.
>>64631151There is more private security personnel than the army and police ( National and Metropolitan) combined. The state still needs to have a monopoly on violence because it's not poverty that causes civil war. Its weak institutions.Id rather lick the boot of Authoritarianist Government than a corpo run syndicate , or at least die killing corpos. In ArmaReforger of course. Voting means violence and violence is the ultimate authority which all authority is derived from.(They are also trying to gun grab so that's always fun)
>>64631526>There is more private security personnelI feel like that's a bit misleading to Americans because 99% of that will be armed response guys armed with pistols or MAYBE a shotgun or surplus R4 whose job is to respond when someone hits a panic button. There's context there that Americans, growing up and living in a basically safe and developed nation won't fully understand.t. Other saffa
>>64631094Well you can't out-jew the jew, even when the genocide is broadcasted live from day one
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>>64630756>year of our lord 2025, almost 2026>south africa only now planning to replace their clapped out riced up centurionsrealistically they'll probably buy chinese. the vast majority of threats are gonna be shaped charges so the reliance on ERA isn't that much of an issue and the changs will sell to just about anyone and already have significant economic and political interests in the region.
>>64631572Funny kind of genocide when the population keeps growing along with the average BMI of the "genocided" though.
>>64631656>Clapped outLiterally everything apart from the shells is new and was built in SA. New engines, new transmission, new tracks, news FCS, new wheels
>>64631848When I say that same thing about an event in the 40's jews lose their fucking minds.
>>64630756>What should they buy?Water and Energy plants.
>>64631858Yeah I'd get annoyed if a brownoid like you lied to me too.
>>64631211IDK the advantages or disadvantages of wheels vs treads but I think wheel tanks look cool
>>64630756T-90M is currently the best option.
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>>64630756Zimbabwean surplus. It's amazing stuff, but it's expensive. Trillions of dollars per unit.
>>64630837>CV90-120.It isnt a tank since it lacks armor.
>>64631526>There is more private security personnel than the army and police ( National and Metropolitan) combined.Poorly paid and trained rando's armed with a sidearm who don't pose a threat to the South African government not PMC's.
