What will this thing do that a $500 one won't?
>>64632127You'll get buttfucked by HK while paying a kidney
>>64632136I have a spare one. Is the buttfucking worth it?
>>64632127>hold resale value/appreciate over time>long term durability over tens of thousands of rounds>have consistent qc>look good>spark joyIn terms of durability see Aubert Duval's brochure which details the technical comparison of ARMAD compared to 11595E, HK's barrel steel is exponentially superior. If price isn't a concern I don't see any reason to buy inferior rifles in terms of build quality/quality control/materials used.t. paid $7000 for a imported MR308A3 and $3000 each for two imported MR223A3 complete uppers. Not really a problem for me, but I can see why someone would balk at the purchase if they're budget constrained.
>>64632127Both are generic golem guns desu, less sovl than a fucking hipoint kek
>>64632165Only if you like taking it up the butt
>>64632127everything but better
>>64632176>hold resale value/appreciate over time>long term durability over tens of thousands of rounds>have consistent qc>look good>spark joyMost $1000+ ARs are able to do this.>HK's barrel steel is exponentially superiorNot doubting this, but is this a tangible benefit for the civilian shooter? Unless you're spraying with a Super Safety all the time, a barrel from any quality brand is more than good enough.>t. paid $7000 for a imported MR308A3 and $3000 each for two imported MR223A3 complete uppers.RIP your wallet. Could've bought a Ridgeline LPR (which is much more accurate), built an IAR-style build with a Red Right Hand upper (which can handle continuous rapid fire much better), and still have $9000 left over for ammo, a Knight's Armament SR-15, and/or whatever else you might want.
>>64632176>Sheers lugs at less than 10k rounds>Superior steel>Good QCI swear 416 niggers will say whatever to justify their purchase that was actually predicated on video games and mid/late 2000s sof preference prior to working the bugs out of the mk18.
>>64632176>>64632200Much appreciated. What about the handguard? I'm locked to a 16,5" barrel and I'm not sure if I want a full-length one. The shorter one looks more proportional, and it's already a little heavy as it is. >>6463221910k rds will do. I'm just gonna keep it in my gun safe and take it out a couple of times a year to look at it either way. Maybe do some competitions. Damn that RAL8000 edition is sexy as hell. Open to other suggestions aswell.
>>64632176>hold resale value/appreciate over time>long term durability over tens of thousands of rounds>have consistent qc>look goodmany American rifles fit this bill>spark joyvalid reason and the only reason you need.
>>64632206I have multiple SR15 uppers in various barrel lengthss, they're my main shooter when it comes to 5.56 weapons, hold up very well, and are pleasant to shoot. That said, they don't really tickle my tism.My autistic obsession is with euro weapons built for military and police use and min-maxing them on either system durability, durability of specific parts, machining quality, consistency qc process, or overall build quality.>>64632219I mean yeah, I'm min-maxing on barrel life and consistency of build for the 417/416, in military trials the bolt life is comparable to a M4 because it's a piston AR. >Have shot/sold/kept multiple SR15/LMT/MR308/MR223/MR762a1/MR556a1, etc...>Consistency of machining, anodizing, build quality, fit, is always better on the HK's compared to the American built guns indicating HK (and euro gun makers like Sig Switzerland/B&T/FN Belgium in general) pay more attention to replacing tooling/holding critical dimensions to tolerance/qc process a lot more than American manufacturers whose attitude seems to be "just send it">the above observation is consistent with my comparison of a sample of 10+ US made SCARs to 5 Belgian made SCARs under a magnifying glass. Of the ones I purchased (4 US and 4 Belgian), I generally found tighter fits when swapping Belgian to Belgian vs swapping US to US, as well as an alarmingly high incidence of barrels being canted in the US made SCARs.>Of note, no barrel is truly straight within the receiver, but the US built SCARs were canted to such a point that necessitated the front iron to be completely adjusted to one side for zeroing, not ideal (e.g. you switch to another ammo type and run out of adjustment).>I believe the cause to be barrel to trunnion fit vs barrel to receiver fit after swapping US/Belgian barrels between multiple weapons. >>64632227Handguards are easy to swap via a single bolt.
>>64632414Addendum, I am aware the MR556/MR762 series is built by HK USA of German and US made parts. I mentioned HK because of the manufacturers I have experience with that I can compare samples of US vs Euro made weapons to (HK, FN, Sig), HK is the only one for which build quality is the same between US vs Euro versions.
The initial idea of the AR15 was to be extremely light, the company was names Armalite and they introduced a lot of aluminium and made everything as light and narrow as possible.As a result, the original AR15 design doesn't have a lot of excess material and quite a few weak points which wear quickly.The bolt is so small that the bolt lugs shear off, various pins in the bolt carrier break, the gas key has to be staked, the barrel mounting doesn't quite have enough material, and even the buffer tube mounting is not very solid.H&K is basically the only company which seriously tried to make the AR-15 reliable and durable by adding material, hence why the 416 is significantly heavier.Other, american, companies added pistons or a mono upper to fix some of the weaknesses, but unlike H&K they didn't really re-engineer the entire rifle, H&K realised the bolt carrier tilt problem and added significant material to increase bolt carrier guidance in the receiver, etc.It is still not a really good rifle if you look for long-term reliability, H&K only went so far with the re-design, it's still an AR-15.The G36/SCAR/ ... tier of rifles are all slightly heavier or at best the same weight as an AR-15, which is impressive given the G36 is mostly polymer. That's because there's more steel in the G36 than there is in an AR-15, beefier bolt, better bolt carrier timings due to slightly higher mass, etc.Hence why these are the most durable and reliable guns in existence today.Accuracy and reliability are contradictory goals in an assault rifle, H&K has 417's tuned to be DMRs with tighter clearances, but the assault rifle variants have purposefully larger clearances for reliability.If you find some boutique AR-15 from some US garage company which is more accurate, it's because they reduced the clearances of the parts and sacrificed reliability.Note that this is clearances, not tolerances. People often miss use the term tolerance.
>>64632514>G36>these are the most durable and reliable guns in existence today.Good bait, was funny.
>>64632581https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iTbTyFloelcI never said "accurate" I said durable and reliable.A G36 will happily do 900 rounds full auto nonstop and set the handguard on fire, and still work after you throw it into the snow to cool off.I wouldn't take any bets on it holding zero and I really loathe polymers in general and think they have no place at all, we should ban polymers entirely due to microplastics alone and they have no place as structural elements in firearms connecting scope and barrel, but you have to hand it to the G36, it is reliable as fuck. And durable if your only qualification is "delivers round (roughly) down range if you pull trigger". Which it does.
>>64632618>A G36 will happily do 900 rounds full auto nonstop900 rounds? Pathetic. Watch an AR-15 (a rifle design you said is inferior in reliability) surpass 1,000 rounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EEReNx6_mOY or better yet, watch a 416 clone (which is basically a modernized AR-18) made by Brownells (an American company) do 1,708 rounds. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJ40fm8Oxj4
>>64632414Thanks man>>64632514My main concern is aftermarket oem parts and depreciation. Also a great fan of the SCAR, and also the G36 thought it reminds me of the Sig550 which I like even more.Alas, the MR223 is about as pricey as I'd like a range toy to be, as it clocks out close to $5000 here. For the scar you'd have to chip in another two ks. I do have a .308 Browning Bar Match with infitech parts ceracoated desert tan though, so at 1/4th the price this fills the (untouched and dusty) DMR position in my vault.
>>64632165If youre selling a kidney why not something cool and memeworthy like an mp5k with a folding stock or ump in .40?
>>64632514>initial idea of the AR15 was to be extremely lightFinally an intelligent post on /k/apart from the weird SCAR/G36 "most durable and reliable"... HK416 (all metal) is better than those. Still a good post overall
>>64632618G36, anon was a flawed design (trunnion mount 'good enough for the Bundeswehr contract requirement') and not one of HK's finest moments.MP7 was a more effective design on the same polymer-receiver concept (due to its smaller dimensional size) and the UMP submachine gun didn't even require as much accuracy as either, of the three 1990s HK polymer long guns.
