Ammo compatibility is king for the apocalypse. The best ammo is the one you use.> The list:> 9mm Parabellum. Most available handgun caliber hands down> 7.62x39mm usual. Usual AK pattern rifle round> 5.56x45mm NATO. Usual AR pattern rifle round> 12 gauge> .22 LR. Can be bought very cheaply in bulk. Useful for practice and small game hunting.> .357 Magnum. .357 Revolvers have great ammo compatibility with many calibers> 7.62x51mm NATO/.308 Winchester> 7.62x54mmr> .45 ACP> 30-06 Springfield> 300 AAC Blackout?Any thoughts or additions?
If you wanna larp for the apocalypse for ammo then you need to get into reloading and casting.
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2000 rds of 22lr will serve a family of 5 for 3 years given the human body needs plants at least on a 1/3rd ratio of protein.In what scenario do you envision society cannot farm for 3 years in any way? 8 billion people on this planet. If shit happens we will figure it out.
All prepping is cope. You will take the Mark, or you will die. Those are your options. Your guns won't save nor help you.
>>64636085You know society can fall apart and you don't have to live in the Apocalypse of Saint John, yes?
>>64636089Drones are the difference here. If drones didn't exist, sure, go live your woodland survivalist fantasy.They haven't even really put guns with thermal cameras on drones yet. The drones in Ukraine will seem like black powder muzzleloading rifles compared to the next drones that will be unleashed on humanity.
>>64635897you forgot about 10mm Auto for when things get hairy in a confined or otherwise restrictive area.
>>64635897just buy stockpiles for whatever guns you have, you probably wont go through a thousand rounds of any one caliber outside of training
>>64636098For when you have to fend off a pack of black... bears?
>>64635934lol no. But I shoot about 2-3 times as much for the money I’d spend anyway
>>64635934Boomers at work insists reloading will save me half per shot, mind you I almost exclusively buy bulk ammo cuz i shoot a lot, my calibers are: 5.56x45mm, 5.45x39mm, 7.62x39mm, 7.62x51mm, and sometimes 9x19mm. They also insist one can reload steel casings (Roughly half the ammo I shoot.) Are they right or is it bullshit? If yes what's some good math I can use to debunk them?
>>64636387If you're shooting match 7.62x51 then it's definitely a lot of money to be saved. Everything else... meh.
>>64636393The fanciest ammo I buy is Winchester, the .308 shoot is mostly M80 ball for my FAL and AR10 and sometime tulammo for my PTR.
>>64635897>Any thoughtsNah, you'll be fine. Me, I do .22lr by the case(s). Surp when there's free ship and good deals and I'll be fine.
>>6463589744 and 36 cal percussion revolvers, roofing lead a punch and soda can and roll caps, a percussion rifle musket or a flintlock blunderbuss, percussion side by side, a flintlock or percussion large bore smoothbore pistol loaded with buck and ball or a paper patched 1000 yard percussion rifle? Stocks beingRoll capscap punchcellulite gluepaper punchlardmoulds, roofing leadonion skin paper or other thin papersaltptersulphurcharcoalball millshop pressbrass brass dieCongratulations you have a lifetime supply of ammo, if you want to get fancy you can even reload the primers for a BPCR and shoot a cartridge gun like a snider, gras or a repeating block luading magazine fed bolt action like a swiss vetterli, veterli vitali 70-87 or a dutch Beaumont 71/88 (BPCR brass lasts practically forever)Probably the simplest choice is a reliable side hammer 12 gauge shotgun in 00 with BP loaded paper cartridges and a percussion revolver as backup.Everything you list is very nice but you said apocalypse which is a religious event that probably already happened under Nero. https://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm#In its popular meaning of 'fantasy rapid collapse of civilisation' all smokeless powders, brass (which wears out) and primers become rapidly unavailable and their firearms ultimately only useful if the primers can be reloaded or the weapons converted to blackpowder by cartridge (or other means), which would favour larger caliber manual repeating weapons and revolvers. In any evet and disappointing for /k/. the two most functionally useful calibres on earth are 22 and 12 gauge doe to the range of animals they can kill and leave edible and in the case of shotguns also be completely lethal to humans with ball slugs or 00. Possibly the most useless in your list is . 300 AAC Blackout and the most glaring omission is 270
>>64635897.44 or .36 round ball in percussion guns
>>64636412YeaI also acquired a cap making kit, they are not as reliable the CCI caps but they work MOST of the time.
>>64635934Reloading will absolutely save big money IF you use some weird snowflake rounds OR you're doing PRS comp and would otherwise need to pay a stupendous premium for high end match ammo (that still wouldn't be tuned as well for your gun).None of that has anything to do with the retardation of OP or fpwp tho
>>64636079>2000 rds of 22lr will serve a family of 5 for 3 years given the human body needs plants at least on a 1/3rd ratio of protein.Look it's well trodden ground but urban people need to understand hunting does not work like that, you will not find anything to kill near a fixed residence very quickly is you start trying to live by hunting and in general you will be very lucky as small animals become wary to kill anything at all. You would be better off trying to trap rats without a firearm at all in such a fantasy scenario. How many times have you gone out and actually hunted? You won't be bagging rabbit regularly enough to feed yourself or squirrel or birds in a fantasy apocalypse if you try because very quickly there won't be any. At most once a month if you want to retain game where you are. >>64636085Educate yourselfhttps://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01594b.htm
>>64636423You need to add nitro cellulose glue another anon here put me on to that, they work just as well as commercial caps then Duco was the recommended brand Duco Cement Multi-Purpose Household Glue 1 oz. I've found nitrocellulose fletching glue works just as well.
>>64636387You can reload steel but it's hard and not worth it. I reloaded some x54r during covid. There are YouTube videos. -they're berdan primed, which means you have to hydraulically deprime them. I can't remember the solve for repriming with boxer. I re manned the berdan primers with a homemade h-48(?) Mix. It's potassium chlorate, antimony trisulfide, aluminum sulfer and some bicarb to stabilize the sulfer. Legal in small quantities and for personal use only. This was also on YouTube at the time. It's corrosive.-steel casings are hell on your dies. The casings aren't elastic enough for multiple reloads i think. Only reload steel in shtf. It's not worth it if ammo can be bought. But it's possible.
>>64636444You have to do more than that to reprime beredan for boxed, you need to mount a long drill bit in a reloading press and drill out through the beredan fixed anvil, in my experience hydraulic depriming of crimped in military brass beredan primers was a fail too, the only real way to get them out is to ice pick them out which also destroys them>>64636444All smokeless brass is worthless in a fantasy apocalypse scenario as smokeless brass no matter what is only good for a limited number of reloading's, even if you anneal and trim. Given the propensity of humans to spray, suppress etc and the vast about of ammunition militaries consume without a kill if there was a period of mass turmoil and conflict most smokeless powders, primers and brass would be quite quickly exhausted and even reloaders would be limited to reloading their high pressure bottle neck brass at most 5-10 times. Steel castings suck I concur.
>>64635934nobody says that after they start reloading, What happens is you shoot four times as much for only twice as much money.
>>64636468I have 38 special brass from the 1930's, if you're not loading them hot they can go hundreds of reloads.
>>64636473Casting definitely saves money, I use roofing lead, a laser themometer, a lee melter which is I think induction and lee, saco and lyman moulds for everything from round ball for cylinder shotguns to long range muzzleloaders and percussion pistols as well as BPCR guns, if you get a hardness tester you can get into alloy bullets with a bit of zinc on hand. The ting about reloeading is what it lets you do noty really what it saves in costs. If you are a cometitive even in 22 you are measuring and batching rim thickness for example well in any real long range precision area you are going to me making your own ammunition as part of the art
>>64636492Yeah probably but I said bottlenecked high pressure cartridges so that's most 30 cals and 55.6 stuff and 7mm, 8mm, 270, 243 etc. I would not push 44 mag brass too hard either. If you have a revolver in a fantasy apocalypse scenario you can deprime, reload the primers and then just fill to the brim with BP and cast a bullet, you don't need to keep running smokeless at all. Its pretty ideal because you will get a dud primer but you just have to pull the trigger again and you will probably get a cylinder off before the BP starts effecting the weapon. Semi autos are a different matterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c9Z0yr49xXw
>>64636468Youre right. I guess I meant reload steel in times of scarcity if you already have the tools and correct propellant. In shtf getting the right double base propellant in your correct burn rate isn't happening. Weird shit was going down in covid. Guys loading 30-06 duplex using unique and .50 cal and 20mm surplus pull down powder.But that's for temporary scarcity.
>>64635897Get a glock 19, ar-15, mossberg 500/remington 870, 10/22, and a flintlock rifle complete with miniball bullet molds. Now you have the best north american kit for under $3k and can feel free to buy whatever other guns tickle your fancy and dump excess money into ammo, sulfur, and potassium nitrate. Honorable mention to a remington 700 in .308 if you live somewhere you would want to take a shot at big game over 500 yds.
>>64636574The key word in all of this is fantasy though anon, it's a fun conversation but based on nonsense really.
>7.62x54Rlol no way.
>>64636403You could make that AR10 perform a lot better with 168gr BTHP
>>6463589712ga wins in availability but I think stockpiling 20ga would be wiser. You can do all the same things without needing as much volume for storage. 12ga takes up a lot of space, and it's not like 20ga is an obscure or defunct alternativeanyone who thinks about the end of the world and resource scarcity in terms of hunting is absolutely retarded and will starve very quickly. Animals will be hunted to near-extinction in short order and will not repopulate fast enough to support even the smallest of communities. Survival requires that you expend less energy than you gather, so passive resource accumulation like horticulture and fungicilture is the ONLY thing anyone should be concerned about if they aren't just rotating their pet collapse fantasies in their head. Fishing/trapping behind that. Hunting is mostly a luxury hobby when viewed in terms of accumulating survival skills
>>64635897357 all u need
