Think 2026 will be the year police use the first suicide quad drone?
>>64636890Not in the West. Police use of force is already a highly-controversial topic, and seeing as they don't currently make liberal use of grenade launchers like militaries do, I'd be shocked if this similar technology gets used.
>>64636890Why did it take 20mins to end this if there were 4 cops there?
>>64636890I mean, I remember when they blew up a dude with a bomb squad robot, so it’s not a stretch.
>>64636904>>64636890Already happened. >>64636915en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers
>>64636904Eh, Texas used an EOD bot to bomb a shooter about a decade ago, so never say never. But you're right that it's on the high end of in extremis options. You could probably use it to deliver CS gas, but the situation where you can't just lob a 40mm in is going to be pretty rare.
>>64636904they could make an ostensibly non-lethal one, perhaps one that impacts and bursts a bunch of pepper spray. I can see swat deploying a drone mounted rifle to get at targets behind cover easier. It wont be controversial amongst sane people, since it will all be recorded and available for public viewing (in the US, at least). But there will not be any sort of autonomous drone use that will be widely accepted, the push back on flock cameras is already heating up, let alone drones.
>>64636911Its Australia, they really dont have "cops".
>>64636911Real-ass gunfights tend to take a while. People generally aren't disposed to getting shot, so getting shot at tends to have deleterious effects on one's disposition towards aggressive and decisive movement.
>>64636925Flock cameras are a problem because they're not secure and cops have already used them for stalkingAlso the price is retarded for what you get
>>64636918>>64636922I had exactly that incident in mind when I made my post. One occurrence in nearly a decade, and it was extremely controversial even at the time. You're right to note that I shouldn't be dogmatic about it, strange things can happen, but I stand by the belief that we'll probably never see suicide drones in police hands unless shit slides so far out of control that the police are just military units with different uniforms and we've given up on giving people trials.
>>64636890What a bad position to try to have a firefight from.
>>64637567>Solid cover>Elevated>Good sightlinesIt was okay, considering the alternatives.
>>64637567He didn't intend to survive. His religion teaches that dying while slaughtering children means he can fuck those kids in the afterlife.
>>64636890I'm glad he got to watch his faggot son die before the end. I hope he survives and gets to think about that for a long fucking time in prison.
>>64637586>highly visible>no safe route of retreat>only cover forces you to peek over it, skylining yourself no matter whatNo, it's not okay. It's a good position for getting shot in the head.
>>64637595The father died. The son was the survivor. You can tell it's him because of the same black pants that he had on when he got disarmed by a 50 year old fruit shop owner.
>>64637600>no safe route of retreatThe road continues the concrete wall, plus there's a car right there with the door open for a quick escape
>>64637600Almost all cover requires that you peek out to see what's beyond, and lean out to shoot. It's your job to minimise how much of yourself is presented when doing this.
>>64637603I'm pretty sure I read the son died. Reporting is often confused in the immediate aftermath of things though.
>>64637610True. I mean I myself just fucked up. I double checked and realised I got the pants color wrong (white pants was the disarmed one).However, I just read a recent article and it says the son is the survivor.
>>64637609It's your job to choose good cover where you don't silhouette yourself against the sky when you try to shoot.It's your job to choose a firing position where visibility is limited to your own line of fire.It's your job to choose a fighting position with a good, covered route of retreat.
>>64637600This man played FPS a lot.>>64637609Good cover is vertical cover when you slice peak to the side, controling what can you see and how is you seen back. Horizonal cover when you pop up vertically and present yourself to entire horizon is a noob trap.
>>64637624Look at the bodies in the plaza beyond. The men seemed to have cut a path through the buildings and field to the walkway. They seemed to have been met by police there, and made a stand. We know two cops were hit, so the position speaks for itself. Also stop with the cringe silhouette BS. Their position is known. Instead of trying to play whack-a-mole with the cops, the gunman should have used the cover and elevation to outshoot the cops. The cop's cover was only some cars, which aren't bullet proof.
>>64636890Drones are extremely unreliable for lots of reasons, putting HE on them for LEO use during peacetime is a great way to incite a revolt when you blow up grandma and the kids when a drone falls out of the sky.
>>64636911Mainly the use of hard cover with only one open side that is a funnel.
>>64637637Just say afterwards that the granny was a terrorist and that killing their granchildren was a morally acceptable decision.
>>64637635He should have changed the position he pops up from though, he played whack-a-mole wrong.This is ww2 stuff.https://youtu.be/URwmZq70_DU
>>64637635>Also stop with the cringe silhouette BS.It's the simple truth. If you're silhouetting yourself against a highly contrasted background, you become extremely easy to immediately spot and shoot at. There's no way to hide at all.>Their position is known. Being in a known position still allows you to play whack-a-mole effectively, changing firing positions constantly to stop your opposition from covering any specific points of aim and allowing you to use surprise to your advantage.Him being up there in a highly visible position means he has no means of surprise left to him. He will always be in a fair firefight at best the moment he goes up over the cover, but more likely be in an unfair firefight, as the police can see him from multiple angles and shoot at him with more guns than he has.If he had a superior fighting position, he could move around and create very short surprises, where he holds absolute fire superiority for a split second, allowing for potential success. You win firefights by shooting more at your enemy than he shoots at you, and the only way you can do that when you're outmanned is by taking full advantage of surprise and confusion. That requires movement and concealment.>the gunman should have used the cover and elevation to outshoot the cops.There is no way to outshoot multiple people as a single person without a chokepoint to use. The more visible and elevated you are, the more angles you need to cover simultaneously (impossible), which directly leads to you getting shot by someone you could not see.
>random camera man has perfect anglewhy couldn't the cops flank him?
>>64637648>>64637654Okay. Watching the webm again, it seems like the pillars adjacent to the small set of stairs at the bottom of the video make for a decent bit of vertical cover. It's exposed to the upper road. But if the cops are only on the lower road, then the gunman holds the advantage.
>>64637603https://youtu.be/ieYFa3h3-r4?t=2
>>64637663Why do you think that video is potato quality when pretty much every phone in Australia can record 4k video?The answer is a shitload of digital zoom because it's a long way from the shooter to the guy recording.
>>64637635>the gunman should have used the cover and elevation to outshoot the copsYou are ignoring suppression, it is a real psychological effect, people involuntarily flinch when bullets are cracking near their heads.
>>64637663People were walking all over the place in line of sight to the shooters. There's some other video where the shooter seems to be signaling some bystander to move away. I think they were trying to only hit people at the Hanukah festival, but who knows.
Lot of Monday morning quarterbacks in this thread. Or Monday morning murderers in this case.
>>64637672Yes, the cop glocks do have that advantage over the bolt actions and pump actions of the shooters. But you can also just ignore suppression if you're well trained and confident that your odds of taking a round are low. Exposing yourself is a numbers game. You can play the odds with good cover.
>>64637678Most people are cheering on the shitskins dying anon
>>64637684Fuck off back to /pol/, I'm chearing for Ahmed al Ahmed who tacked an active shooter and took his gun.
>>64637682Ask me how I know you're never been shot at.
>>64637695How do you know I've never been shot at?
>>64637682>confident that your odds of taking a round are lowWhich they couldn't possibly be, that might apply to some random taking potshots from a mile away, not multiple people at relatively close range.
>>64637697let me guess you had an untrained farmer taking potshots at you from 2klicks way
>>64637663>Gears of Sar.webm
>>64636911They were all female "cops"
>>64636904I dunno, given this year and last's incidents of police getting taken out attempting to confront their targets in CQC, I can easily see the police going for the drone option and telling the complainers to go charge at the perps themselves if they have a problem with it.
>>64636925Why not attach a flash bang to it?
>>64636925>>64637765Flash bangs / CS / taser could be a decent option for LEO, no deaths if the drone falls on the street but enough to make breaching a shitload safer.You could also just hammer a barricaded suspect with them until they hated life enough to surrender.
>>64636930LIE. I WATCHED BLUE HEALERS. They even had guns!
>>64637600>>highly visibleno one else has guns>retreatanon this is a suicide mission. their religion makes them think killing jews gives them a golden ticket to heaven where they will receive 100 virgin wives.
>>64636966>One occurrence in nearly a decadeTwo. Omar Mateen at the gay club. He was already dead but they didn't know it at the time
>>64636911When
>>64637684>Most people are cheering on the shitskins dying anon>shitskinsWhich ones? Jews are shitskins too
>>64636911Bet all the "cops" were chicks
>>64637610Every news report I’ve seen since Sunday night has confirmed the dad is dead and that the son is still in hospital
>>64636911Cops are cowards. Aussie "cops" doubly so.
>>64636890We'll definitely see a public figure get taken out by one, I amazed it hasn't happened yet. I suppose high grade explosives are the bottleneck for any would-be assassin
>>64637637>putting HE on them for LEO use during peacetime is a great way to incite a revoltWe used to be a proper country
>>64636911Never let a good tragedy go to waste.
>>64636911Police in Anglo countries are beyond uselesst. bong
>>64637635>>64637624>Also stop with the cringe silhouette BS.It's not only about silhouette. Mostly it's a out sight lines. When shooter peaks above cover he exposes himself to observation and fire from all sides. Including directions he doesn't look himself and doesn't deliver fire that direction. He looks at target ahead of him and gets shot from side of from back he doesn't even looking at.This is why peaking a bove color is noob trap.You ideal peak and firing position is such as you can only be seen from you own field of view and fire. Imagine you looking through tube in the wall in the street. It's ultimate safety position. Bunkers or prepared positions inside buildings (when you make fite port in the wall and stay deep inside room) are such.Of course in the world it's not always possible to create such firing positions and they contradict area of observation you will have blind angles. But it's ideal situation you should stay to aproach.From simple practical point of view you should avoid peaking above cover, and instead peak from side of the cover, gradually like slicing the pie around corner. Check some area, no shooters looking at you, peak more, check more area. But never peak above cover, everyone pre sighting at you position can instantly see you.
>>64636911Shooter had:>another shooter>rifles>shotguns>elevated position>concrete cover>near 360 degree view>suppression with dozens of rounds and public chaosPolice had:>to respond from elsewhere>pistols>work out the situation>assault forward under fire>assault a high-ground position>not ideologically committed to be being killed >pistols
>>64636890Fun fact, those people on the ground by the car also tackled the white pants shooter and disarmed him, at the start of the shooting. Then the son shot them. So the dad guy got disarmed TWICE.
>>64641640https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crocus_City_Hall_attack
>>64636904They already killed a cuy in commiefornia with a murder robot.Not even a stun/incapacitate/arrest robot, no its was a fully automatic fair trial denying unit designed to murder people. Super efficient police murder, take that conservatives!https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-63816454
>>64637631>how is you seen back.>what be a good cova for da firefight momme>it depend on how you is seen back detr3vious
>>64637663>gets flanked and shot from behind>wHy NoT fLaNkNice one, nitwit.
>>64641691Look at you, reasonably assessing the situation. Thank you for reminding me that at least 1in5 here aren't retarded.
>>64641610I mean, while true on flat scenarios, in this case the elevation meant he was only exposed to 180 really if he stayed near the walls (he didn't).The real issue is he was outnumbered and thus lost suppressive dominance, allowing people to train weapons on his location freely until he popped out.
>>64636890Dorner got droned you stupid fucking faggotFuck off and lurk moar
>>64641897Thanks mate.
>>64636890>re-peekingBloke played the wrong games.
>>64641941https://youtube.com/watch?v=YK57wm4YJvs
>>64637663>both guys still have guns by the endSo that guy who disarmed one of them didn’t do shit? Did they have backup guns?
>>64637685And then refused to shoot the terrorist he had just disarmed before letting him go free to get another gun and continue killing people >>64642280
>>64642289Wow what a piece of shit.
>>64642289>just become a murderer goyyyBruh these tr00ns are deranged, tackling an armed guy is plenty (and also illegal btw only the police are allowed to use force and enforce the law) now they expect you to execute people in the street with no trial.
>>64642627Letting him go back to grab another gun was retarded.
>>64642641No, intervening in the first place was retarded, he couldve very well gotten himself killed, and for what?
>>64642649If youre going to intervene you may as well do it properly. His dumbest move was making his action pointless by letting the shooter run away to grab another gun.
>>64642659Whered the guy even get the second gun from?Also why should anyone intervene when jews are being shot?Cheering it on would be more appropriate
>>64642668>>>/pol/ my Islamic friend you are lost
>>64637780>Drop a clutch of nine bangers on the fella.
>>64642686I denounce pisslam and the false prophet mohammed (piss be upon him) now you gi ahead and denounce the talmud
>>64642722I denounce the Talmud, I also denounce insane mohameddinians running around the west guns ablazing.
>>64642627>only the police are allowed to use force and enforce the lawWrong. Never heard of citizens arrest?
>>64642953That is democracy manifest.
>>64643119For what? Eating a succulent Chinese meal?
>>64642953>>64642953Arrest /=/ blasting the goatfucker right then and thereAlso>be me>go to stripclub>get my pole polished>hoe asks for me>citizens arrrest.exe
>>64643265Hoe asks for moneyAFUUUCKI RUINED IT
>>64643122For you.
What kind of patrol rifles do Aussie police cars have?
>>64643491And you sir, are you ready to receive my limp penis?
>>64643509the ugliest G-36 on earth I guess
>>64642627>(and also illegal btwno it's not. he's also going to be awarded a medal of bravery
>>64641170Explosive perecursors are controlled/monitored in 1st world countries. We don't have easy access to grenades like some parts of the world, and anyone smart enough to be able to reliably synthesize HE without killing themselves will just go get a job and live way better than some idiot making ETN in a shed.
>>64642627>and also illegal btw only the police are allowed to use force and enforce the lawThis isnt true anywhere in the worldPretty sure you're underage
>>64636890The REAL question is: when will we see our fist less lethal FPV strike?My money is on a rubber mallet taped to a racing drone as the first experiment in this direction>zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ *BONK*
>>64637682Aussie cops carry Smith & Wesson automatics chambered in .40 Smith & Wesson, not glocks
>>64644063Christ Aussies really do get the worst of everything
