Handgun General #1698Beretta owner supremacy editionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNikLast thread: >>64632443
>Beretta owner supremacy
>>64637773Nigger, they come with flush fit 18 rounders now
>>64638329Should I run the UM84 strong side or cross draw on the weak side? I find actuating the flap with my left hand and cross draw is pretty intuitive
>>64638488Zee/zir doesn't need to lean into it so aggressively with those big meaty arms. You are noting zim's grip not shifting correctly? the leaning forward thing, when I first tried it it cut .2 seconds off my draw and helped with accuracy, I think it's psychological like thrusting a sword or something at the target that helps as when I tried it later with less hatred in my heart it didn't work
>>64637773>why would I google it when I think I'm right but objectively wrong?kek
>>64638611I mean, I'd say strong side so you can draw with something know your left hand if you need to.
>>64638616Do your arms tremble like his?
>Hes still buckbroken over shaking like a twig and adjisting his grip between shots on a fullsize 9mm
>>6463832992X or M9A3 were my ideal BerettasI wish they would at least issue the M9A4 in black
>>64638737Yeah, it’s where I hold my pistol mags too. I will probably end up upgrading to an Omnivore eventually, just to have something modern
>/hg/ - gay retards flirtingplease post guns while you continue to frot or argue or whatever.
Is there a consensus for home defense and/or edc if dot is better?t. fucking retard whose shot a gun once but started thinking maybe a dot isnt better if most defense situations are so close so wont you be hip firing a lot?
>>64638951>is there a consensusNo. Use a dot if you shoot better with it, otherwise skip it. Get some time shooting both to be sure of what you prefer.
>>64638880They will, eventually
>>64638951Just train with irons as everyone else has for the past 100 or so years
>>64638951When she said she was black, she fucking meant it! God damn!
>>64638951>home defense get something with a shoulder stock or a pistol brace, much easier to aim than a handguns. contrary to popular belief, handguns are extremely hard to use effectively >red dot Red dots are better but take a level of proficiency to use them correctly, they help with training alot by giving constant feedback where the dot = muzzle is. The professional consensus is going red dot, everyone serious about shooting professionally (combat, defensive, sport) uses one. "hip firing" could mean lots of things, like literally firing with the pistol at your hip like a retard. The more potent term is "Point Shooting" is where you basically aim with your body, your arms, your shoulders are so consistent that they have an "index" where you have a good idea where the gun is aiming because of "muscle memory". Using a red dot is alot like point shooting except when you do it right, the red dot is projecting a red laser into space and if your eyes are lined up with the gun you will see a red dot projected onto the target. Red dots are faster, if you do it right you look at the target, draw your gun, and a red dot will appear on the target if everything is correct. All the skills from a red dot carry over to irons as well.
Are revolvers because of their heavy fire power actually practically useful against other people in a 1v1 or 1v2?A 357 mag can stop a person in 1-2 chest shots right?
>>64639453Yes.Yes.
>>64639453With the right ammo, sure. If you use weak sauce loads that are basically 9mm+p+, they aren't any better than a Glonk, but if you are running a Buffalo Bore 1700fps screamer load, you will kill the body, the soul, and the reincarnation with one shot.
Optic is in, time to get it zeroed
>>64639453There is an infamous story that damn near every American law enforcement official is taught where, on a traffic stop, a trooper got into a shootout with a driver of the vehicle. The trooper landed all 6 shots from his .357 Magnum whereas the assailant landed just one round of .22 on the trooper. The .22 went through the armpit of the trooper and pierced his heart, killing him. The man who ate 6 rounds of .357 Magnum livePlacement matters. I'll take 18(+1) rounds of 9mm over 6 rounds of .500 S&W anyway, even with bears involved
>>64639560people hate this story and refuse to share it because it doesn't have fun yee-haw rhetoric about buffalore bore this, magnum nonsense or 1700fps of who the fuck cares. People don't want to be told to practice and get their shit ass groups nice and tight they just want to say 'muh magnum' and post their nice clean unfired wheelguns on my basketweaving forum.
>>64638951Dots are better IMO... IF YOU TRAIN. Dots are worse in every way if you don't train with them. People buy red dots thinking they'll shoot better with them because they're so easy with rifles then are surprised at how much worse they are without training. Iron sights have more visual cues so you reacquire sight picture with them easily even with little practice, on the other hand it's really easy to lose the dot in the smaller optics especially if you don't train. That's the biggest problem that slows people down, they will lose the dot between shots and have to get it back in sight then aim again. The other issue is cheap ones are fragile which is bad for obvious reasons, good ones are pretty expensive, battery life must be minded. And you have to actually shoot to get good with dots, dry firing can help you with initial acquisition and trigger control, but it can't prepare you for keeping the dot in sight when the gun is moving while firing especially if you're shooting on the move.
If you train then your handgun preference should match your skill level. If you cant hit the bullseye rapidly with 500 SW I'd argue thats a damn good carry for you because no one's gonna tank 6 500 SW to the heart or brainstem. Most people tend to carry high capacity 9mm because its cheap and forgiving to people who don't train enough.
>>64639574I agree. I make fun of .380 and less calibers but I'd rather have someone that has trained with and carries a .25 or .32 ACP over someone who bought a 10mm Tanfoglio and leaves it in their underwear drawer because they're too afraid to shoot it>>64639590The reality is that if you dryfire enough (as you should)you could have a love hornet's nest duct taped to the top of your gun and your gonna shoot by instinct in a self-defense encounter
>>64639675>afraid to shootthey're lazy not scared bro.
>>64639584lol women and brownsThe M17 is actually a decent pistol
Stippled my PX4
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>>64639675Yeah but until then dots are going to be useful over irons for precise shots
>>64639453Stopping power doesn't exist retard.
>>64638329How were you able to secure a firearm with those feet? Whenever I buy a gun, they always inspect my feet thoroughly and if they aren’t up to standards, I am denied ownership.
>>64639836>feetyou got a weird FFL, bro, real weird. they're suppose to just inspect your penis.
Beretta 92 stans, what do you think about: https://youtu.be/k-1vrRuWHJs?si=gOeRrZ_zfeZkwEVSIf Im gonna be honest this is the main reason I want to buy a 92. Iirc, ufortunately it requires some modifications to the slide which i am too dumb to do
>>64639858What the fuck its the penis and not the prostate? I thought that checkbox looked edited I just thought it was to confirm I wasn't a woman with a prosthetic.
>>64639590>>64639675Dots are extra bulk, extra weight, extra money, and an extra failure point. Duty gun? Yes. Nightstand gun? Sure, why not? Concealed carry gun? Fuck no. If you need the accuracy at range, you're probably going to jail for that shot. If you're in the one in a million outlier (mall shooter) then go play the lotto. If you live in the ghetto maybe. Some neighborhoods are anarchic enough where you'd both need long range pistol shots and get away with it, but it's almost a duty gun for criminals at this point.
>>64639874it's always the penis bro, at least here in the states. I get the hunch that your store is fucking with you.
>>64639876>Concealed carry gun? Fuck no. If you need the accuracy at range, you're probably going to jail for that shot. If you're in the one in a million outlier (mall shooter) then go play the lotto.the tiny sight radius of conceal carry guns and the use case (rapid fire) makes red dots optimal. with a little practice you can rapid fire almost as fast as you can pull the trigger with accountability of every shot since you can track the red streak under recoil
>>64639815>>64639806Why?
>>64638951Indoors? Attach an x300 light to your gun and use it as an aiming device. Whoever is lit up with it gets the holes.
>>64639869FRTs on handguns do nothing for me. If I have the skill to fire a handgun that quickly and control it so I can have adequate placement, I'll still be better off just sticking with semi-auto
>>64639909Seemed like a good idea at the time
>>64639896And best of luck to you Mr. Wick. Us normal people are going to point shoot while shitting our pants and last thing we need is a big confusing box grabbing our clothing while we desperately paw the thing out from where it's hidden as the adrenaline dumps and cognitive function goes out the window.
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>>64639927Speaking of Wick, I'd unironically would love to have a range where I can LARP as him and do cardio and shit.Yes I am that bored with life
>>64639972how close are you to achieving this goal?
>>64639896Sight radius be damned, I don't shoot my carry gun any more accurately with an optic than I did with the oem irons. I can shoot my full size faster though.
>>64639927>red dot gets caught on clothinglol, confirmed for never having drawn an optic-equipped gun from concealment
>>64639972You have to pay for the class.
>>64640038I literally have. It's happened in deadly force encounters (not to me). It's documented. You're a dumb nigger.
>>64639560Now let's say what actually happened. Corporal Mark Coates struggles with some asshole and the guys 22 goes off. It hits mark in the chest. It is stopped by his vest. Mark in the following seconds unloads five shots with his 357 revolver into the guys chest. Mark then "retreats" back to cover and goes to get on the radio and they guy manages to get off another shot. It goes through Mark's armpit and into his heart killing him. The asshat survived after some surgeries and spent life in prison. The lesson here isn't shot placement. It's make sure the faggot is dead before you walk off. Shit luck. That's all any of this is. Fucking faggot.
>>64640065May I see it?
>>64640065You don't own a pistol with a dot, and so your opinion on this matter is moot. It's like talking to an African tribesman about running water. You'll never understand, because you refuse to.
>>64640065in my experience, drawing from appendix anything that would snag a dot would also likely snag tall combat irons.
FACT: Red dots make you faster and more preciseFACT: Red dots are invaluable training tools, making you a better shooter fasterFACT: Every optic category in USPSA/Steel Challenge scores higher than its iron-sights counterpartFACT: Police officers randomly assigned red dots score better than ones assigned iron-sighted guns, even those without prior experience with opticsFACT: Eli Dicken was able to kill a mass shooter from 40 yards with a pistol because of his red dotFACT: Every good shooter who posts groups in these threads uses a dotFACT: Every god-awful shooter in these threads who refuses to post proof of their shooting not being shit waxes poetic about how irons have "SOVL", because they get mogged by dotchadsTHE TRUTH WILL SET YOU FREE
>>64640134>FACT: Eli Dicken was able to kill a mass shooter from 40 yards with a pistol because of his red dothe didn't have a dot and he didn't make every shot at 40 yards, he closed the distance after opening fire
>>64638909>upgrading to an OmnivoreI mean, do whatever you want, but that is a pretty cool rig.
>>64640087We did this already. It's not on there anymore. It's on a different gun because no shit. It failed. It literally broke. I had it replaced under warranty but I'm never carry the new one. I posted the new one. I posted the box from the old one with the manual that still has the holosun phone number in it (the new one didn't.) I never got an apology or a thank you.>>64640100>No I can't possibly be wrong, this person must not own a gun. There have been documented cases where optics have caught. You're wrong and it's provable. You're the nigger here. Look it up yourself. Ask the white man's AI. >>64640105Yes, but what's more likely to catch, a quarter inch sight or a metal box the width of the slide or more and up to 5 times taller? >>64640134Take a nap, Ben.
>>64639552Based as hell.https://youtu.be/MlzTET_8SQg
>>64640134son you're typing like someone who's got brainrot. Whether your playing or being sincere, having the ability to post such a thing is an indicator of a damaged mind. Get help.
>>64639584Why don't these mos have any rank or insignia?
>>64640134>FACT: Eli Dicken was able to kill a mass shooter from 40 yards with a pistol because of his red dotFalse. Fact check yourself if you're going to try to sound authoritative.
irons sisters... for years we've supposed that red dots would be "slower off the draw"... but irons are slower than optics in steel challenge in literally every division, in a sport that's literally just the draw and one shot string...how are we going to recover from this?????????
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>>64639876>If you need the accuracy at range, you're probably going to jail for that shot.All I kept thinking about while watching that Bondi Beach footage is how I could have easily engaged those shitskins with my compact or full sized pistols, but not my micro penis carry gun. Provided proper cover, of course. It's still nothing compared to a scoped rifle, but I could definitely hit a man size target at that range with the element of surprise.Also, that Chad that dropped that dude in the mall a few years back made a solid 40 yard shot.I'm telling you guys, shooting pistol at 50+ yards is fun on a bun.
>>64640010I'll tell you when I finally buy land
>>64640134I had no idea Ron Chone posted ITT.
>>64640214>Ben Steoeger reveals he has monkey pox.
>>64640241>buy landYou're fucked.
>>64640262
>>64640262>I can, because I'm not a penniless hippy.https://youtu.be/MxRkHeQ7-B8
>>64640208Niggers don't wait for you to sign up for your dick measuring contest and wait patiently downrange.>>64640231Yeah, that's the outlier, and if that happened here I'd be more inclined to flee than engage if possible. My gun is too protect me, not the idiots who didn't come prepared. You going swimming with that optic? Where you going to leave it? What if, what if, what if? I think having a single action trigger is more significant than aiming device for this discussion. You zeroing that optic at 50 yards with your carry ammo Mr Bond? I don't have q branch. I have shifty McHoodrat's indoor range or the many shitty corporate ones that are somehow worse.Awesome if you can find the time to do that, but I can't. I barely get out enough to know I can hit a silhouette at 7 yards most the time.
>>64638329Kek. Never thought I'd see my foot in an op. Thanks, I feel useful finally.
>>64638951Im with this guy>>64638977But not because of the irons, I really think good SD pistol shooting has a lot more to do with speed and controlling the gun for tight groups than it does aiming. Your likely just pointing the thing at center mass from a few feet away and getting as many shots off as possible in a short period of time.
>>64640291So, to sum: you're a shit shooter who can barely hit a target at 7 yards, but you know all about how your accuracy will degrade in an actual defensive shooting? And you're so familiar with this degradation in capability that you can actually extrapolate this degradation to other people, and tell them that they won't use their gear properly, because you don't use yours? And to justify doing all of this, you offload your decision-making to LLM models (that don't know shit about guns, because their training data is horseshit, and LLMs in general lack qualia), as pictured?
>>64640291A nice SA trigger is a huge help, but I can hit a 12" plate at 50 yards with open sights. I only have one gun with a red dot and it isn't a gun I have ever carried. I use similar ammo (same weight bullet, same manufacturer) for practice and carry and yes, I've tested both at distance. You can do it too, if you take the time and do the work. If you really want something, you will find a way, if you don't, you'll find an excuse.
>>64640328>Your likely just pointing the thing at center mass from a few feet away and getting as many shots off as possible in a short period of time.And you do that in training or are you hoping the technique magically comes to you in your time of need? Or it's buried inside of you and "will come out" like some sort of instinct
reminder that if you tell these guys to post groups, they never do
>>64640353Care to set the example?
>>64640350That's how I train. I do also use the irons and shoot for scores as well and it definitely does contribute to just point shooting at center mass. But I don't see myself really aiming under a lot of pressure.
>>64640350Ben's a fucking woman beating retard that was kicked out of the police academy for sexual assault. Who the fuck would take shooting advice from a skinner that has never shot anything but paper. Seriously the state of things when a former SAS officer with multiple confirmed kills and confirmed solo deep enemy territory missions who actually had to use a pistol and only a pistol on several missions tells you to train not at all like ben and all of K spergs out about how really cool fake tard ben is. Ben is like that fat cop that pretends he can disarm people.Before ben turns around he has taken two on the back. Before ben hits the second target he has been shot. Ben doesn't have a fucking clue what he is doing.
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>>64640401I have more experience than ben whan it comes to shooting at people and being shot.
>>64640389sorry, was used to arguing with the guy who shoots pizza box groups at 15 yards in slowfire (refuses to shoot closer for some reason) >>64640411no you don't, you can't post guns or groups, or proof of the allegations regarding Ben which only come from reddit and an indian "practical shooting insights" instagram account
>>64640134>FACT: Eli Dicken was able to kill a mass shooter from 40 yards with a pistol because of his red dotstfu
>>6464037012
>>64640350>Flip flops
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>>64639815Oh man oh jeez
>>64640445more at 12
>>6464044825y
>>64640446what's wrong Burt
>>64640451anyway I’ll stop
>>64640457is that a zeroing/ammo vertical dispersion?
>>64640453it's finethis is fineeverything's under control
>>64640466are you saying I should have practiced more before doing my favorite gun?
>>64640420Ben needs to post any experience at all other than poking holes on paper to be on par with the men who have actual experience. Ben's a fucking joke. He's good in his SPORT. However his sport is heavily based in range safety and equipment rules. They are horribly out of touch. And all his drills show that. Here is a little test. Watch someone run a Mick Gould drill. Then watch Ben run one of his drills. The trainee for Mick has bullets on body long before ben. Ben's a fraud.
>>64640329>nigger doesn't know ad hominem I think you're the fucking bot here. You just got btfo and are arguing like a sub Saharan The sources for the data are provided. There's literal video on YouTube. You got a circle jerk trophy chart. >>64640343>I can hit a 12" plate at 50yd with open sightsI have to drive over an hour one way just to have more than 25yds. I'm sure if I had a place in the sticks I could do it eventually.
>>64640463I think it's from either losing target focus, or just simply slipping up on trigger control. Stoeger says losing target focus can result in fliers high, but I'm not entirely sure I understand why that is. That ammo should only be hitting about 0.5 inches high at 25, and those fliers up top are much more than that, so it's almost certainly a me thing and not an ammo thing.
>>64640420Ha, no that's not me. Im the foot in op for some reason.
>>64640475lolcollateral is a movie and not real life, you don't need to make real hits when people have squibs in them.
>>64638329Beretta 92S owner, second pistol I ever bought, after my Walther P38. My wife loves it, says "it's like a laser beam!"Not bad for some old Italian police trade-in.
>>64640499Yeah the guy who was the armed and unarmed cqc instructor for the sas, government intelligence operator and trainer and who's expertise is so on point the US marine corps still use one of the movies he was asked to advise on as training material for the perfect reload must not know shit. Let's go get trained by the rapey flip flop guy who has only shot paper and says speed doesn't win matches..The state of k is sad
>>64639549Ok boomer
>>64640481>there's a literal video on youtubeThere's videos of Ben Stoeger, IPSC world champion pistol shooter, on youtube telling you to get a dot. There's videos of Matt Pranka, ex-Delta Force of 25 years, GM shooter, telling you to get a dot. There's several white papers compiled by people like Sage Dynamics that strive to document the performance of red dots in police shooters. You ignore the aforementioned data, and the opinions of better shooters than yourself, in order to cope about your lack of subject matter expertise. You lack qualia. Moreover, you bandy about terms like "ad hominem" on 4chan because you think it gives you sort of pro forma advantage in an internet argument, but in reality, credentials matter. You wouldn't go to a doctor without a degree. You wouldn't hire a software dev without a github. You wouldn't take car advice from a supposed owner of a certain car but coyly refuses to post proof of this ownership. And you wouldn't take shooting advice from someone on the internet who refuses to post pics of his shooting. And yet here you are, talking about red dots and shooting, even when by your own admission you can barely hit a target at 7 yards. You won't post pics of your pistol with a dot, and you won't ever post pics of your shooting, because you're a retarded fraud, and it's readily apparent to everyone in these threads but you.
>>64640526The other day you were arguing that Cowboy action shooting was the epitome of combat shooting
>>64640542No I didn't. I said they have the fastest draw to hit time of any discipline. And they do. Not a big fan of facts are you?
>>64640542you don't understand, shooting targets 6 feet away with wax bullets and powderpuff loads while we get to larp with wacky names like Sassy Tallahassee is peak combat performance, perhaps rivaled only by airsoft battles in my parents' back yard
>>64640546No they don't, counterstrike players are much faster. I'd like to see a cowboy action shooter hit a target 200 feet away in half a second like s1mple can.
>>64640538>BenStopped reading right there. Dumb illiterate nigger.
>>64640554Okay, I accept your concession.
reminder he still won't ever post groups btw (or timestamped pics of his theoretical pistol with an optic on it)
>>64639762*M18
>>64640562I wouldn't either. Having an optic on a weapon used for 7 yards or under is pretty fucking retarded.
>>64640451Literally impossible. No one can hit a target with a pistol at 25 yards, especially with a piece of trash red dot that snags on your cloths, gets foggy and has the battery die all at the same time the Mossad hit squad is closing in to take turns playing hide the all beef frank.If you are going to troll, please try to make it believable.
>>64640446>Oh man oh jeezIf you like that, you may also enjoy this.https://youtu.be/9T2S8GHzxqc
>>64640568>not having an optic on your knifedo you even operate, kid?
>>64640526>movie shown to marines to demonstrate...This is fuddlore and has never been demonstrated. The director for the movie said it. That is the origin for the myth.
>>64639925>>64639934I'm in awe that you'd ever even consider defacing your beloved px4 in the name of chasing performance. such is the allure of speed...
>>64640538>There's videos of Ben Stoeger, IPSC world champion pistol shooter, on youtube telling you to get a dot.>Hello, my name is anon. This is my first day on the internet and I have never heard of the appeal to authority logical fallacy.
>>64640526>shown to the U.S. marine corps Ben literally gets flown out to train Delta, Green Berets, and FBI/law enforcement.
>>64640604I thought it would look cool, my support hand needed something more. Stippling wasn’t really it, I need a palm swell which I could glue and melt on a polymer bump to make one of those franken guns
>>64640607You don't to selectively dismiss data just because an authority presents it, sister. Again, you're a fraud, and it's become increasingly clear to everyone else in the thread, because you outright refuse to post proof of your red dot ownership (or your shooting, for that matter):^)
>>64640615Good lord, he's gone off the deep end. Now he wants one of those tumor guns that Burt posts...
>>64640634That's not what that means either, dumb nigger.
>>64640615>>64640641It looks cool right? I was thinking of attaching one of these on the left side https://store.otdefense.com/collections/stippling-products/products/glock-1911-scales?variant=45153239826657
You need a red dot optic lol. Youre really not handicapped without one buuuuut man it makes training so much better to be able to just focus on grip and finger placement and your poa being on a single plane.Youbwont underatand until youve done it but i promise youbits a massive difference that you cant ignore.Carrying a stock glock isnt gunna get you killed in the skreets but training is greatly improved. Now the guy telling you to blade so you catch a 1200 fps through and through is the stupid faggot we can all agree doesnt know what hes talking about.
>>64640481>I have to drive over an hour one way just to have more than 25yds. >I'm sure if I had a place in the sticks I could do it eventually.>>64640343>If you really want something, you will find a way, if you don't, you'll find an excuse.Checks out.
>>64640512>says "it's like a laser beam!" My buddy said mine >Feels like cheating and compared its trigger to the PDP. The trigger, especially in single action, is God tier on those things, but they aren't drop safe. Both of which are true for good 1911s. Anyway, don't get too excited about the entire 92 series just because the 92S is a fantastic shooter. You have the best version and you have to mod all the others to get anywhere close to such a good trigger. Even then, they aren't as good as a surplus Italian police gun.I'm too tiered from being sick to write a good transition, but you can pretty easily mod M9 mags to fit them. Also>second pistol I ever bought, after my Walther P38You have pretty good taste. Did you get the 92 because it shared design elements with the Walther or was it just a good deal? Either way, you are off to a good start. What's next?
>>64640608Ben's a photo op for recruitment you cum dumpster
>>64640634Man, you are fighting so many shadows that you don't even know what direction you're facing.
>>64640651Actually a 1911 grip glued/melted onto the side would be exactly what I need
>>64640659Priorities. I got other shit to do. Pistol shooting at legally questionable ranges is low on my list of priorities. Do you have a fully paid off house? I do. Priorities.
>>64640658>>so much better to be able to just focus on grip and finger placementLol. That won't translate to combat.
>>64640634>you outright refuse to post proof of your red dot ownershipToung my anus.
>>64640659No, you don't get to use his boomer platitudes against him!
>>64640677I think he's a bot programmed by a jeet hired by a jew to make this board unappealling. He's not a glownigger or he'd know it's not all the same person. I legit think I got a glownigger bot harassing me on multiple boards. I get references to things I've posted on other boards anonymously. Or it's a disgruntled janny, but then why doesn't he just ban me? I mean, I can evade it but it's a pain to actually do it, even though it's piss easy.
>>64640688>shooting your gun better won't "translate to combat"lol
>>64640693>>64640634Just to be clear, this is a different guy. I'm still refusing because fuck you that's why. You won't admit you were wrong. You probably aren't even human.
>>64640674How? He's a nobody, no Sig sponsorship, doesn't shoot competitively, he makes youtube videos viewed by nobody
>>64640693>>64640702>sig sewerNo wonder you were so reticent to post your gun, lol
>>64640703Ohhh, so that's why you hate him to so much. He's the one putting your indian-israeli company in the ground.
>>64640681lol, you "have other shit to do", like argue with people 15 years your junior on the internet?you don't sound too busy, grandpa
>>64640678I did that on my old Mark 3 frame. I filed/sanded it flat, drilled and installed grip bushings and put wood on erNot that I am suggesting you do this. Do NOT do this to that poor battered PX4
>>64640651>It looks cool right? At least nothing of value was lost...J/kLook, man. Normally, I like to rip the shit out of (you), but I'm going to be real here because I honestly feel a little bad for (you) since (you) are clearly having some regerts. I wouldn't ever do that to one of my guns that wasn't >le modularbut you did a pretty good job and it definitely helps a notoriously low grip pistol. If (you) like it, that is really all that matters. You should think long and hard about why you care so much what anonymous strangers (or some tripfag) on the internet think about something you already know you like.
>>64638975https://www.gunbroker.com/item/1143257458I know you said it was meh, but I occasionally look to see if an on duty is for sale cheap and this popped up, pretty cool.>>64640678From the thumbnail I thought it was a Kimber solo with an optic
>>64640681>Do you have a fully paid off house?Yeah, I'm not a zoomer. I own both my cars, too.
>>64640729is it really that bad
>>64640705>BTFO>Moves goal postIt's an M&P and it doesn't matter what I post, you're just going to be a gigga nigger about it.>Post gunsis a niggerjeet tactic used to de-anonymize people that you can't best in open debate so you can tear them down in the future when they try to post something constructive.You are really sad and transparent.
>>64638329is a pdp with 7 mags and a ZRTS spring a good deal under $600
>>64640743I think it looks good, the texture I could touch up a little bit, I tried to sections with lighter or deeper depending on where I needed it.
>>64639925That actually looks pretty good anon. How do you like it?
>>64640780Yes, absolutely. That's what you will pay for a new one. Do you like that trigger, or at leas the idea of that trigger? Does it come with the factory parts?
>>64640788worst comes to worst, you can probably just send it off to a company to laser itmight as well tinker further
>>64640767Couldn't have said it better myself.>>64640719Making a post during down time waiting on shit≠2 hour round trip plus time there. Eat poop. >>64640745Lots of people my age don't, it's not just zoomers.>carsYes the cars were bought with cashier's checks. My old cars were still good, but eventually you got to let go. It's not safe driving actual "cars" anymore now that everything is a light truck to skirt gas mileage regulations. But I can't hit shit at 50 yards.
>>64640767post groups
>>64640174They're LARPing clearly.
>>64640927You might get better at shooting if you actually went to the range, rather than bragging about owning shitbox cars to strangers on the internet decades younger than you. I’m gonna be real, none of us give a shit what sort of “boomer wisdom” you think you’ve garnered in your fifty-odd years of consuming goyslop and talking down to your betters. This is a thread for handgun enthusiasts, not your personal blog.
With this... will I finally be happy?
>>64640766It actually looks pretty good for a home stipple job, just nowhere near as nice as a professional lasered one.
>>64641003It never ends
>>64640766Not really, it's far from the worst I've seen and not that far off from a "pro" job. I just extracringe at permanent alteration of firearms>>64640744Woah holy crap that's c->six thousand dollarydoosOoooooooookay lol not for me but that's neat. Never seen a stainless one let alone with clear anodized grips
>>646410906k is a princely sum for a piece of Saturday night special history, Burt
>>64635761yeah, my dad was the original owner and I've never had any issues with it. one of the first guns I ever learned how to disassemble, clean, and shoot properly. it's mine now
I want a 92, what models is mostly bare bones except for having a rail? Looking at the 92A1
>>64638329I have Retard Feet
>>64641316Post soles
>>64641314M9A1 is literally that. 92FS slide with a railed frame. The LTT Elite is a M9A1 with a M9A3 slide if you want something more modern. 92A1 is a developmental dead end model, >>64629255, made in smaller numbers
>>64641317I shouldn’tI walk barefoot for fun which is probably why my feet are fucked up >>64638616I know isosceles is supposed to be the best stance but that silly lean with a low recoil gun looks very onions It’s fun to cowboy a light weight gun with a buffalo bore loaded to 45 ACP +p equivalent Is it inefficient? YesDoes it look cool? Yes
>>64641334>700-750Maybe im retarded and selected the wrong thing, but the base model on LTTs site is about 1k
>>64641391Use gunprime or gun deals, or check PSA. But the base model LTT elite without their trigger job is available from the big distributors for about 700 dollars, I think I saw 650 once. It has fiber optic with blacked out serrated rear sight (great irons), sharp thin G10 grips, and the M9A1 frame. Also the M9A3 slide allows it to get the full LTT optic cut as well instead of the conversion cut for the 92X/M9A4 style slides. It’s a “why buy any other Beretta 92 in that price range” when that one exists.
>>64640567They're the same gun with different slides
>>64641006>>64641090fuck, it would have looked professional if I had cleaned the tip often. The lines between presses would be gone
>>64641497Maybe consider silicon carbide?
you are getting a TPUSA sigger .45? or are you a TRANNY FURFAGGOT?
>>64638951A dot is betterYou get way more feedback from them when trainingEven if you want to listen to these "YOULL LOSE IT WHEN MOVING!!!!!" faggots you can just use the backup irons to correct that if you were really in such a pinch
>>64639876>Dots are extra bulk, extra weightTotally negligible>extra moneyPennies compared to the cost of ammo if you actually train and shoot>and an extra failure point. Not really>If you need the accuracy at range, you're probably going to jail for that shot.Name just one (1) case where this has happenedJust one case! 1!
>>64641650You can't just handwave three valid points with a "NUH UH", you piece of shit.
>>64641653Anon is always right because he owns 30 Berettas and you don't
>>64641653Just 1 single case cited is all you need to disprove itJust one single caseOne!
>>64641653He only handwaved two of them
>>64641622>1499 Sonclose to perfection
>>64641667Damn.
>>64640567I'm proud to say I hated 320s way before it was cool because they are just so damn ugly
>>64640208I am definitely on the dots shoot better than iron sights side of the argument. But I'm not in the camp that thinks it actually matters especially when discussing CCW. Look at the Production vs Carry Optics times. Let's check SC 101 which is definitely one of the more dot favored stages due to the small targets/distance. If there's a stage the dot shines, it's these type of aim heavy stages. And it is only half of a second faster, and not per draw and string, but taking four full draws and 20 shot strings into account. Half of a second faster divided by 4. That is 0.125 faster per string. That only matters in competition against other pro shooters but not in real life.And I'm willing to bet the draw to first shot in that first plate (plate 1) on the left is NOT where the optic makes up the time, but on the last two further plates. For CCW where people will be defending themselves from attackers around 7 yards give or take, I see zero value in a dot. And I'd argue that people who don't train (meaning not peak time steel challenge shooters) might be better served with irons simply due to the fact notrains don't have an index, but irons are easy to align correctly even for a beginner. Who here on 4chan or anywhere else for that matter will even come close to being a GM in these type of shooting sports? Most people spouting dot superiority can't even beat an A class production shooter with their 40 ounce "carry" guns with dots, comps, and "totally not a match weight" flashlight
>>64641715Why not compare sub A class on that stage rather than the GMs?
>>64641715I guarantee you all those production guys have trained with a dot extensively
>noooo you need to consooooom all the accessories!!!!!!
>>64641715>it is only half of a second fasterBro, are you looking at the classification cutoff or actual rankings?
>>64641694yeah, come back when you have 40 berettas as well as 10 garbage bags worth of flat asian coomer mags and tranime. Only then will you have the same amount of /k/redit as berettatroon
>>64639876>If you need the accuracy at range, you're probably going to jail for that shot.You need accuracy at any range for any shot. Otherwise have fun at you manslaughter trial.
>>64641737ktards are gonna lose the manslaughter trial anyway because of autistic retardation, even if they legally did nothing wrong. It's the same reason they have no friends or lives outside this shithole-- you can't just invest 0 points in charisma and have a good life.
>>64641718I guess we could. I don't see why not. >>64641719Most people who still shoot production today are those who don't care for the dot and didn't migrate to it. Within competition shooting almost everyone uses a dot nowadays. Production is usually empty except for level 2, 3, and nats.>>64641730The classification cut offs are based on the times people are dropping depending on their division. There was a study recently done at the Enos forums that showed the centerfire pistol divisions were all pretty much spot on regarding the times being dropped by the shooters. If you're talking about the rankings, like what Bj Norris, Max, and some other top guys are dropping, they're way past the 100% to be GMs, but those guys are extreme outliers. If I remember correctly BJ Norris is sitting at 116%. And his iron sight shooting times beat even the average open shooters GM times so you can't really go off what the top guys are doing since they're sponsored shooting athletes who just live and breathe shooting
>>64639876Idiot
>>64639927Pathetic lazy ignorant loser. Skill issue
