Is the Kilo-class a good weapon system for 2026?
>>64639764More than the Pound-class, so...
>>64639764https://x.com/Osinttechnical/status/2000584378733207934Underwater Drone: 1 - Kilo: 0You decide
>>64639775Nigga please
>Looks up the port on wiki>Largest port, fleet HQ>Region has ongoing water issues, drained the Aral sea because of it>Brackish water harbor, large freshwater inlet>Spent half a trillion upgrading the harbor>Didn't make a freshwater retention and security wallFor people who are the heirs of the Soviet Union these people suck at central planning.
>>64639775So you don't want a 500gm submarine?
>>64639845>Soviet Union>good at central planningnet food importers to the end
>>64639859Was being sarcastic: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_legs
>>64639764What is the benefit to Ukraine of destroying 2 subs? Just to put the cherry on top of the humiliation cake, or are there actual reasons?
>>64639929The ones they hit are used to launch cruise missiles since it isn't safe for surface launches.
>>64639929Every little bit helps, in the long run russia will simply run out of black sea naval power since it can't reinforce the fleetTZD means TZD, land, air, and sea
>>64639929>actual reasons?subs are used to launch cruise missiles and do surface recon for Russia. Destroying them opens up more windows for Ukraine to keep using underwater drones. Subs also function as early warning systems with their sonar and can detect drones a long ways away before they can reach their target.
>>64639929Those subs a cruise missile carriers, which are used (among other launch vehicles) to attack them pretty much every night.
>>64639947>>64639958>>64639967>>64639976Nice answers anons. How many kilos are left in the Black sea?
>>64639848So many juicy targets. I wish they would have send more
>>64639993Hard to say with Russia hiding most of their ships in port and behind air defense.
>>64639993Kind of appropriate to measure the black sea fleet in kilos instead of tons
>>64639822Dude, fucking metric subs suck anemones! That's all I'm sayin'.>>64639848500gm is very affordable for smaller, 3rd world budgets. But just try taking on a metric tonne sub and you're dead Fred!
>>64639845>drained the Aral sea because of itThe Aral sea depletion is a great Soviet ecodisaster that most westerners are ignorant of. Imagine draining the Great Salt Lake to a mud puddle and then pulling the rug out on the built up farming (assuming it was fresh).
>>64639993They had 7 assigned to the Black Sea fleetRostov na don was already hit (twice) and is presumed out of commissionNovorossiysk and Krasnodar were in the Mediterranean when the war started, so it's not those two either.That leaves either Alrosa, Staryy Oskol, Krasnodar, Velikiy Novgorod, or Kolpino
>>64640034(derped and listed Krasnodar again at the end, my bad)
>>64639967Assuming photoshop, I still want one.
>>64640005>AI overviewInto the trash it goes.
>>64640055Anon, it just gives an overview of pre-war count of russian ships in the black sea fleet, just subtract what you see on oryx. It also doesn't change the fact that the BSF is considered "operationally non-functional" now.
>>64640030Everything on the Black Sea that borders the former USSR has both irrigation issues and plenty of opportunities to both impound fresh water and create secure harbors. It seems like a obvious solution, just from a civil engineering viewpoint. Just looking at a map of Novorossiysk makes it obvious that a impoundment would be a great idea, given the conditions it would be relatively straight forward. It wouldn't need to be a huge project like the Nampo Barrier, maybe 1/3rd the length and 1/2 the height with two dual channels instead of one.
>>64639816I get the feeling it's not gonna be as totally wrecked as we hope, but I assume that's still fucked until drydock.
>>64640080drydock is essentially the same as the scrapyard, as far as the russian navy is concerned
>>64640061Red: Full basic barrierOrange/brown: Cheap barrier/inner barrier in combination with aboveIdeal: Both the above, blue is enclosed freshwater fishery, yellow is spillway feeding overflow from inner barrier. Outflow is hydropower so excess fresh water can be pumped for irrigation.
>>64640080There's a longer version of the video out there. Once the explosion settles you can start to see the bow of the sub begin to tilt upwards into the air
>>64640355That just means the Russian penis is becoming erect, along with the raised eyebrows. Soon Ukraine's ass will know everything.
>>64640394And the eggs?
>>64640406Eternal laying, brothers.
>>64640406You have to eat all of the eggs.
>>64640060>it just gives an overview of pre-war count of russian ships in the black sea fleetDoes it?Or did it just synthesise plausible sounding nonsense?
>>64640406>>64640416>>64640432Thinking about them eggs......
>>64640060The Google automated AI search results are significantly worse than almost any other current LLM.
>>64640406reportedly measured as we speak
>>64640013Savage but appropriate.
>>64640003I guess they figure the surface navy will eventually become the submarine navy at some point in the near future anyway
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>>64640034>That leaves either Alrosa, Staryy Oskol, Velikiy Novgorod, or KolpinoOne of those got hit, another one was at the pier. Two are possibly at sea, or at other ports.Grim outlook.
>>64640116OK, hear me out.What if we take the money, don't build anything but a sand dike or something and buy datchas and yachts instead?
>>64640034>>64640847What are they even supposed to do in a hypothetical hot war with NATO? Just sail around in circles in the Black Sea until they are sunk?
>>64640406>eggsMeasured, partly flooded.
>>64640870Strike Ukraine with whatever they got then do the same against Turkey I can only assume.
>>64640864That would not be a effective use of multi generational wealth on the DPRK's part.
>>64640870After Romania and Bulgaria joined NATO, yeah that's prety much it.They were supposed to be a Kalibr-armed threat along with their VLS cell frigates, and air assets. The various Soviet leftovers, like Moskva, obviously also had cruise missiles. Big, fast ones, too.Clealry a modern take on the Jeune École coastal defense strategy. Pretty much suicidal against NATO air and sea power in 2025, both in the Black Sea and Baltic.
>>64640922Kim has the advantage of being a God owed total spiritual devotion by his peasants instead of just another Mafia goon who's crawled to the top of the pile and needs to placate the underlings with their own feifs to plunder.
>>64640922Datchas and yachts are very good in terms of multi-generational wealth accumulation, provided you can avoid falling out of windows, shooting yourself in the back six times or drinking some spicy aura tea.
>>64640943>Pretty much suicidal against NATO air and sea power in 2025, both in the Black Sea and Baltic.I have sorta noticed that most of the new ships and subs on order for the Russian Navy are going to be assigned to either the Northern Fleet or the Pacific Fleet. Makes sense.
>>64640984>>64641065Stop being fags and call the DPRK what is:An Absolute Monarchy. htmx8
>>64640030>Imagine draining the Great Salt Lake to a mud puddleWell, that's actually what's happening. It's drying up. Massive US ecodisaster if no action is taken in the next 30 years.
>>64639764It's a platform, actually
>>64639764FYI it's official, Russia lost another sub16.12.2025Tanks — 11421 (+9)Armored fighting vehicle — 23737 (+6)Artillery systems — 35172 (+67)MLRS — 1570Anti-aircraft warfare — 1261Planes — 432Helicopters — 347UAV — 91219 (+442)Cruise missiles — 4073Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 2 (+1)Cars and cisterns — 70182 (+177)Special equipment — 4026Military personnel — aprx. 1190620 people (+1150)
>>64639816>>64639848I can't fucking wait for the Taiwan strait shitshow. Expect a shortage of popcorn.
>>64639764Underwater drones basically make subs obsolete.
>>64641832The taiwanese arent preparing and reforming in a way that could win such a war
>>64640355Why didn't I see it and why isn't it Webmized? Is this the suppression actions of the IRA?
WHERE ARE THE MAXAR PICS. PLEASE TELL ME IT'S A SUNNY DAY TODAY
>>64641445Nork is now an Absolute Theocracy with a God-King. Ironic.
>>64640355Course the most obvious elephant in the room is that somehow Ukraine managed to get fairly high definition footage of the naval facility all the way over in NovorossiyskThen, live record the act of snapping that motherfucker in a military naval port! That's the kind of sneaky intel shit that's a bit humiliating if sending a half billion dolla boat to the bottom wasn't enough of a coup
>>64641888>sending a half billion dolla boat to the bottomThat's a strange way of spelling "something that will be fixed by two guys and a bag of cement in an hour".
>>64641892>two guys and a bag of cementWho would star in this feature film? I bet the Japs could do something with a fat chick rolled in flour as the 'cement'
>>64641893Italo-Americans. Maybe Irish-Americans.
>>64641894Couple of greasy union guidos fumbling around with some concrete like its a football, fix 'er right up
>>64639848why does this give me ski resort live cam vibes
>>64639823KekPerfect reference
>>64641888Tbf russians are souring about the war, probably getting really easy to bribe them to hand over whatever footage they need
>>64642038Is that really a surprise? Russian narratives have been that Ukraine has no more men and are fighting with old men and women, that Ukrainians are losing the will to fight, that the US pulling aid would get them a win, that the only reason they are surviving is NATO soldiers, that their win is assured.Meanwhile they have effectively lost Syria, Venezeula ia being directly targetted, libya is being assaulted by rebels, their black sea access has collapsed, their international reserves are either spent or held by Europe/US, hell even Chinese banks that are happy to comply with sanctions, Europe is rearming and has added two nations to itself that has made Russian defence less tenable and more precarious.Not only that, but they have been consistently fed Russian corpse piles that seem to only have gotten more dense and worse over time, videos of Ukrainian men rather than NATO fighting, even videos of dead Ukrainians on the Russian side, preemptive victories over towns only to "win" the same town several times in a row over the course of a year, the soldiers that survive are coming back injured or with little love for the system at all, and that spreads because they are men that have a voice in their families.The slow movement of frontlines might seem like a cathartic theme for the average Russian, but it is the opposite, after 4 years it is a proof of Ukrainian will to fight, a proof that the war will last 20 years at least rather than the imminent collapse Russian commanders often cite as the future scenario for almost 4 years now.Not only that but they have been consistently bombed even in remote areas, initially this serves as a unifying force, but as time moves, the blame shifts from Ukraine to Russia itself as it does not stop and in fact only escalates.I would not be happy with this war as a Russian, given the population ratio. Their position of power and thus security is directly challenged by this war.
Oh I forgot to add, meanwhile Russia is spending (losing) troops fucking around in Africa, importing foreigners en masse to try and inflate their way out of a monetary anf population crisis, while basically killing off rural Russian males who are the most conservative and giving their women to browns and chinks in their propaganda.
>>64642141>>64642148Yes but when? When will Russia finally die so I can go and shitpost all over /pol/. That's all that really matters to me.
>>64642401Strelkov in one of his screeds from about 5-6 months ago said that if Ukraine keeps up and ramps up their deep strikes in the rear, Puccia will certainly lose because of logistical and economic collapse. While he didn't mention a time frame, I assume from then at most 1-1.5 years, so we have anywhere from 6 months to a year longer to wait
>>64642488oh on top of that, this was before Ukraine began deliberately targeting shadow fleet vessels, which might possibly accelerate our existing timeline.
$40 a barrel is good for Russia actually
>>64642495While I do think it would be morally and otherwise correct to help level Russia, I think they have chosen probably the funniest possible way to cause their own collapse.
