Did anyone in the middle east actually make a decent gun before 1955? As far as I know they just suck at doing so.
>>64641147Sure! Jezails are actually rather impressive rifles in terms of both accuracy and craftsmanship.
>>64641534I mean, I get the grift. If it works for the past 2000 years, why change it?
>>64641234>literally a salvaged Brown Bess lockwow. such original
>>64641147IIRC there was some shia movement in the 15th century that declared firearms haram. Dunno what held back the sunnis.
>>64641147Well they’re brown + Muslims, the worst combination.
>>64641147Sure Jezails in Afghanistan (they had peep sighs and rifled barrels) and Toradors in SE Asia.
>>64643021I dislike Islam but I also dislike stupidity and ignorance generallyhttps://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/aa/original/DP165770.jpg>>64643055>Sure Jezails in Afghanistan (they had peep sighs and rifled barrels) and Toradors in SE Asia.
>>64643062>https://images.metmuseum.org/CRDImages/aa/original/DP165770.jpg"This gun comes from the armory of Tipu Sultan, ruler of Mysore, a Muslim state within southern (Hindu) India, from 1782 to 1799. Tipu called himself the “Tiger of Mysore” and employed tiger imagery in every aspect of his court. The cock of this flintlock is a tiger’s head and the barrel is damascened in gold with tiger stripes. Manufactured in the capital of Seringapatam and incorporating the latest European technology, Tipu’s firearms were the most distinctive and sophisticated in India at the time."Not a Jeet but I have a collection of Indian arms and armour as part of a bigger collection (mostly European) , including real Afghan jezzails, sikh matchlocks, talwars, dahls etc.https://www.metmuseum.org/art/collection/search/29616
>>64643062You didn't have to repeat yourself
>>64641147Honestly to get you in perspective, teh guns manufactured in for example islamic Mysore in the 18th century were better than anything being made in the Americas (which were mainly based on imported parts from Birmingham)
>>64643084Educate us. Got any reading material/sources on that?
>>64643077I thought I'd give the sauce on it for anons but the armoury of Tipu Sultan is a well known thing for those that like antique arms and collections.
>>64643090It's how the british empire worked, go look up e.g ketland. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_KetlandBookEmpire of Guns: The Violent Making of the Industrial Revolution
>>64642946They made their own locks too, but they just got done killing thousands of Brits so might as well.
Muslims can't make anything that isn't a supeficially functional imitation of a real thing that barely manages to not collapse on itself without anyone touching it, so how would guns be any different?Seriously, if the Islamic golden age ever existed, a curse must've been put on them for them to end up the way they've been for the last 600 years give or take.>inb4 Ottoman artillerybrain drain from Europehttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orban
>>64643895>Seriously, if the Islamic golden age ever existed, a curse must've been put on them for them to end up the way they've been for the last 600 years give or take.IIRC a fundamentalist imam took power and literally banned math
>>64643960people tend to blame the Mongol invasionapparently it was ghastly, but I just don't see how a decade of war and famine can break a people like thatlike if you read the big Muslim classics (i did, some at least), they're autism incarnate in the best way, and the people that come after are the polar opposite, as if doing things well is a foreign concept to them
>>64643999>but I just don't see how a decade of war and famine can break a people like thatIt wasn't just a decade of war and famine. It was the complete eradication of the upper class in many regions, and their replacement with Turks and Mongols. It's not like they went away either, the Mongols were still ruling Persia into the 1500s. Parts of the middle east didn't recover their pre-Mongol population until the 1900s.Today, in the modern era, the Aral sea is disappearing because rivers are being diverted to water farmland. This process has accelerated ever since the fall of the USSR. However, this is not a new phenomenon. The sea was likewise diminished before the Mongols invaded. The sea returning was a phenomenon documented by Persian scholars following the destruction and depopulation caused by the Mongols. In short, they had modern current day water diversion and usage in place, that should give an idea of the population and level of development. Then overnight, it was gone, both the infrastructure, the people it supported, and all the people who knew how it worked.
