Given China's sabre rattling, US unreliability, and wildly successful ook nook posturing by Russia and DPRK, it seems a no-brainer for Taiwan to acquire nukes of its own. Do you believe it currently has a secret nuclear program, or it's too oblivious/compromised to do the obvious?What kinds of nuclear weapons/delivery systems would most effectively deter a Chinese invasion?
Jonathan of New York municipality here, Taiwan should receive strong nuclear fires to maintain sovereignty
>>64642040Last time they tried that, the US made it abundantly clear that they would not only be on their own, the US would sabotage their facilities.
>>64642046Last time US security guarantees, much less nuclear protection, was actually believable. These days Japan leader said out loud they would step up for Taiwan, something the old US foreign policy wanted to get out of them for decades, and the reaction from US ws exactly...crickets. Then they published the NSS policy guideline that might as well have been written in Muscovia and Beijing
>>64642046Wasn't that like 50 years ago? Would the US even be capable of formulating a consistent policy on this now?
>>64642040Taiwan, given its vulnerable and peculiar position, is waiting for a precedent case to unleash nuclear proliferation. Given realistic scenarios, something like >monke uses the bomb to terror bomb and decapitate ukraine. Like nooking Kyiv center to wipe out the parliament, government and key ministries>westerners cuck out predictably as US with agent orange always TACOs when faced with a confrontation with bigger tyrants. Especially with bomb involvedIronically only thing that is stopping the described scenario is a ban from changs to do that. As they don't want near capabilities like Taiwan or Korea or Japan to get the bombs. Nuclear armed Taiwan alone would make the already difficult naval operation impossible as they can wipe out any invasion or blockade fleets with nuclear strikes with little condemnations and aftermath as the bombs would only detonate over the sea. Where upon beijing terror bombing the island with their own strikes would draw in korea and japan temptation to decapitate bejing in a first strike
Japan can build a nuke overnight.They have a solid fueled ICBM all ready to gohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epsilon_(rocket)> The Epsilon is expected to have a shorter launch preparation time than its predecessors; a function called "mobile launch control" greatly shortens the launch preparation time, and needs only eight people at the launch site, compared with 150 people for earlier systems.For all those times when you need to launch a scientific rocket with minimal staff and simply cannot afford to waste time with a liquid fuel loading.
>>64642077I mean that's great, but also at the same time unless they're stockpiling ICBM frames and explosives a few nukes is barely worthwhile.
>>64642044Yeah not gonna happen, north korea and russia didnt even help iran with nook dev or even aided in the air defence.Nooks arent bargaining chipsAlsoNon proliferation.But taiwan wont need them anyways since they willbe conquered through democracy and plitical subversion.Just like israel has conquered the US.>its just 12%Its ALREADY 12%, i know youll scream and seethe and call me hanoi hanna and /pol/tard because youre a reddittroon but compare it to the change in the us over the last 50 or so years.
>>64642057>Japan leader said out loud they would step up for TaiwanAre they even allowed to do that?Their constitution doesnt even allow them to have an army or carriers.So they only have >terretorial defence forcesAnd >totally not carriersBut fighting a foreign war?
>>64642128kys europoor
>>64642128>IESLB
>>64642040Where, on a tiny ass island, would you develop the facilities for the nukes? Where would they test them?They should have been putting half of their annual military budget into anti-ballistic missile programs for the last 25 years. That is the only way China can actually hurt them.
>>64642133>>64642178Ad hominem /=/ argument
>>64642178>ieslbWhats that mean btw?
>>64642197Why would I argue with a spammer?
>>64642197You aren't worth debating with. The fact that you preface by framing your opinion as an argument proves that. It's that, or ieslb.
>50c derail threadBack on topic, neither Japan nor Taiwan need an ICBM to hit China. Taiwan could probably use artillery to drop a nuke on the invasion fleet.
>>64642040So pretty much your asking is Taiwan should become a pariah states for its defence? In case you have not noticed countries that pursue nukes arent exactly popular, why would you sabotage any external support to develop deterence when putting that same Money into conventional defense would yield much better results.
>>64642407>american vassal island>"pariah state"
>>64642040Last time Taiwan had a working nook their top nook guy defected to America.
>>64642407You seem to be confusing cause and effect there. Iran and DPRK aren't pariahs because they have nukes, rather they pursued nukes because of their pariah status. Pakistan is an Africa-tier shithole with nukes, yet is not a pariah. Israel is a tiny country with an open-secret nuclear program, and nobody cares.Only US used to care about muh proliferation, but now it seems incapable of that.
>>64642251>lets just do some arbitrary namecalling instead of presenting an argumentLmao, like clockwork
>>64642420Look up how many nations in the world recognize it as a countryFyi, the US and Japan are not part of it (so why would they intervene?)
>>64642586Are you Chinese?
>>64642132>But fighting a foreign war?What war? It's just a "Special Taiwan-helping operation".
>>64642301>You aren't worth debating withKek>t.
>>64642589>totally no war my guysDoesnt their US dictated constitution forbid them from any foreign engagements?They werent even allowed to fight in the vietnam war despite the fact that the few japs that fought in it were incredibly successful because they dont have face blindness to asians like we do.Imagine if theyd used their vasdals for the dirty work instead of burning the young americans, kek
>>64642588Checked and yes obviously, i am also putins nephew and my mom is hanoi hanna.I find it funny how redditr00ns on /k/ try and play the >as aGame despite it being designed to be anonymous, you should engage with my point rather.So tell me, who recognizes taiwan as a nation in the world?
>>64642538>Israel is a tiny country with an open-secret nuclear program, and nobody cares.Yeah because israel owns the US.And the same way (((they))) undermined the US and its republican institutions china is trying to do with taiwan. In the end it will turn into hong kong and your redditposts wont be enough to free it neither will be your seething impotent anger and namecalling on 4chinz.So yeah, if taiwan starts to make nukes now in the end it will just enrich the peoples republics arsenal
>>64642611Hong Kong was handled so badly that it sparked Taiwanese independence movements.
>>64642616It wont matter.It doesnt matter here either, does it?For example the mass protests in britain agains mass migration of mudslime rapists, what did it get them?Prison + more paki grooming gangs.If anything the brutality the chinese govt has shown in the past will be a deterrant, about 60.000 falun dafa were disappeared and gutted for their organs to be sold. And this number could only be estimated because the communist govt has sold so many organs without evidence where theyre from that you could build 60.000 people out of it.
IS THAT A MUSHROOM EXPLOSION CLOUD??? SAVE MEEEE
>>64642074>US with agent orange always TACOsCould you guys at least try to be subtle?
>>64642642Seeing that it made Taiwan go from a guarrantee to now having shills mad on 4chan that Taiwan wont roll over Id say it matters a lot that China fucks up integrating westernized Chinese.
>>64642607>\despite it being designed to be anonymous, you should engage with my point rather.I asked because I wanted to know if you were joking. If you're Chinese, you really might not know.>So tell me, who recognizes taiwan as a nation in the world?Dumb argument. Taiwan doesn't claim to be independent, so no one has a reason to recognize it.
>>64642704>Taiwan doesn't claim to be independentThen why protect their sovereignty?
>>64642695Yes ofc anyone who disagrees with you is a shill.Well i guess only time will tell but my money is on a non violent subversion takeover along with all the industry (for chips umbrellas and what have you) in mint condition.Then we will be even more dependant of chinese exports because not only did we give all our manufacturing to china we have all our chip production in taiwan (this is the only reason the west even cares about taiwan) but i guess at that point we wont need them anyways because we will live in 70 iq brown muslim societies thanks to zog, if we'll be alive at all
>>64642715Most people dont approve of crazy Muslims shooting up their workplace or where they live.
>>64642709If they're protected, it'll be for either strategic or humanitarian reasons. OP didn't ask about that, and neither did I.
>>64642704So we have to pay for and go to war with a nuclear armed nation an island that doesnt even claim to be independant?What?
>>64642715You are a shill; if you do it for free that's your problem. You make the same weak "arguments" (just asserting China will take over Taiwan over and over) every thread, they get refuted every thread, and then you make a new thread where you've conveniently forgotten that you got BTFO in the last one. Now you seem to be surprised people aren't engaging with you seriously. Do you have autism?
>>64642733Stop pretending to be American. Gross.
>>64642739Hes in the Australian shooting thread too crying about jews.
>>64642723And yet here we are arent we?>oi you got a digital disapproving loicense?Also these short posts that dont even formulate an argument sre very telling of your mental bandwith, it seems very much so that you did nit even understand my point.The point is>brits majorly disappeove of being killed and raped by muslims>their government lets in more and more muslim rapists and killers>they protest>go to jail>nothing happensWhy do you think that taiwanese people disapproving of a new china given government would fare any better?
>>64642739>refutedHavent seen any of that yet, only namecalling, lmao is that what you tr00ns think refuting means?
>>64642750Im not giving my all to some blackpilled retard, sorry. Taiwan doesnt want to rejoin mainland China because Mainland China fucked it up every time. Go back to /pol/.
>>64642739>BTFO in the last one.In the korean war?Idk man i kmagine BTFO differently than that.Or do you mean taiwan thread?In that case i have to kek because it seems you retard imagine>everyone who disagrees with me is just lne very productive chinese shillLmao, btw you should 42%
>>64642757No, you go back to rebbit you fucking braindead mitläufer, you cant even formulate any argument you dont even regurgitate the ones that zog shits in your head, makes me wonder if they even shit arguments in your head or just>we good guys, we say truth>they bad guys, they say lieWithout ever pointing out any of the "lies"
>more IESLBHe's mad.
>>64642678The WH openly proposed a "Peace Plan" written by Moscow. We know this because the calls leaked. The WH imposed sanctions on Canadian pot ash only to lift sanctions on the imports of the same from Belarus. The President's family has businesses in Russia and are openly negotiating for deals there as well as other countries, like Qatar, which bribed the President with a plane and crypto in order to get him to sell them weapons and provide training grounds CONUS for their pilots. Is this what you would describe as subtle? Because I think it's pretty blatant and clear.
Holy meltie
>>64642590>That pic
>>64642783Your one sentce responses workedYou never formulating any argument at all has shown meYou have bested meI yield to taiwan and will die in its defenceLmao
>>64642782>Using FACTS and LOGIC to debate a MIGAtNot gonna work pham.
>>64642822Me not taking your sperging seriously definately got you upset. Not everyone is going to give hours of their day to argue with a politics sperg who just came from /pol/.
>>64642040Nothing ever happens. In 30 years, Taiwan will have always have been part of Mainland China, Russia will cease to exist as a state, and it'll be a rush between Europe and China to gobble up whatever is left after the Russian Civil chimpout. Inshallah, Israel ceases to exist somehow in the process.
>>64642040Commy chink vs OG chink? Meeh
>>64642769You are brown
>>64642769I just want everyone to remember that this tranny got cancelled only because she said the truth about the rusnigger.
the RoC government and military is full of CCP spies and molested, and the parts of the KMT is willing side with the Reds if it means they can do white terror part 2 on the greens.
>>64643163This guy gets it.Btw apparently you and i are the same guy as well as the dozen people who agree with us.Oh and we i mean i spam up every thread about taiwan with these same lies that we made up.>lalala ukraine is winning>lalala china will invade taiwan by force and taiwan will be winning lalalaMan i fucking hate these troons
>>64642077""""scientific rocket""""
>>64642590Great way to our yourself as a zigger
>>64643237Yep. Thrust venturing was done by NASA first but now it's used by the military. Things can be repurposed. Won't be optimal but if it works, it works.
>>64643250Im a transphobe (i.e. sane person) but we have weird alliances nowadays, dont we?
>>64642538Non-proliferation was mostly just a means to simplify any potential strategic nuclear exchange. China doesn't have a huge stockpile of nukes, Russia probably doesn't have a large stockpile of delivery vehicles for their supposedly large stockpile of nukes, the US doesn't need its nukes to flatten most of the world's most vital infrastructure. A tactical nuke or two is really only useful for interdicting an amphibious landing, mostly by damaging the exposed equipment on the superstructures of the ships involved. It isn't particularly useful against tanks, unless you had a lot of them. It causes more trouble than its worth when used in air defense short of shooting down formations of bombers crossing the pole in the 50s because missiles couldn't hit the target.The US no longer cares as much because the "muh terrorism" argument is seen as the political front which it is especially since nerve gas is cheaper and more effective, and ABM is advanced enough to prevent the US from suffering due to accidental launches or nuclear blackmail. With the spread of technology its not even easy to prevent it anymore, the lack of proliferation is mostly because as previously stated nukes have limited utility and don't offer prestige. Apathy is a logical response to the situation.
>>64643259Just remember that Russia pushes troon shit in South America
>>64643226>subhuman vatnigger is mad because even trannies hold them in contemptkek
>>64643294How so?But will you denounce the troon from the pic?
>>64643324Through Russia today and yes even the Ukrainians had enough of the troon shit and forced him to stop.
>>64643324Russia and Chinkland have a recent history of shitty civil wars because they are incompetent faggots, therefore they assume civil strife in other nations can only be bad for them. They will support any group which operates contrary to the existing power structure. Of course in the case of the US a civil war would likely results in a genocidal white nationalist empire, so I wish a zigger would.
>>64642040>it seems a no-brainer for Taiwan to acquire nukes of its ownUnfeasible. A nuke program is too large to hide, especially with how riddled with mainland spies the taiwanese government is. And Taiwan trying to get nukes is one of the fastest ways to trigger a pre-emptive strike.
>>64642132She had to slightly walk it back afterwards.One of the high up chinks in the Chinese embassy in Japan had an absolute melty and publicly threatened to behead her on xitter.
>>64643324Nah, anyone that hates vatniggers gets a pass.
Either China will figure out chips and then all of a sudden no one will care about Taiwan or the US will just abandon Taiwan and nationalize the chip factory in Arizona. I dont expect a war.
>>64642132The best defence is a good offence. Perfectly constitutionally legal, prease underastand.
>>64642132It's like interpreting the will of the founding fathers.> In July 2014, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe (coalition government of the Liberal Democratic and Komeito Party) approved a reinterpretation of Article 9. This reinterpretation allows Japan to exercise the right of "collective self-defense"[22] in some instances and to engage in military action if one of its allies were to be attacked.[23]
Those absolute fools recently shut down their last nuclear power plant.But they're reconsidering. https://archive.is/MZbS1
>>64643357What?Who is "she"?Is the gook official that said japan would step in a fucking femoid?>AUDIBLE KEKWomen are beyond fucking useless and eager to throw the lives of men into the sea.What a stupid whore (given its japan probbly also a real one) Reminds me of when that german cunt said germany at war with russia.You just dont hate women enough.Anyways, greetings from kazhakstan
>>64643451>just abandon Taiwan and nationalize the chip factory in Arizona.They already tried to move the production (that's why the chip factory is there in the first place)Turns out it's just not that simple. Like a rhizome, the factory itself depends on a vast network of experience, supply lines, and know-how. It's not just plug and play.
>>64643405>passDo you think xey/xem passesWhy dont you go and date xey/xemXey/xer will be happy about some feetpics of yours
>>64643670>preemptive defensive strikeTrue and based in theor like barbarossa but in reality youre right, international law is a joke and the law of the jubgle is the true law
>>64643780>operation paperclip 2.0 (president hunter) biden bugaloo
>>64643781Pretty sure it's just she, anon. No need to drag your mental illness into this.
>>64643861Wow just wowWhat a transphobe you are denying neopronouns you mysoginist bigot
>>64643890I didn't deny the use of neopronouns, anon.I just pointed out that you're mentally ill for bringing them up when no one else did, like that's all you think about or some shit.
>>64642046Back then US wasn't brown
>>64643237Burning commie chinks is science
>>64643670The Special Nanjing Operation 2.0
>>64643232who are you quoting and who are you talking to?
>>64642040How would nooks protect Taiwan? Especially when they're already protected by American nooks?It's not like they need MAD capability, nor could they have it.
>>64644471The US is not going to nuke China during a conventional invasion. If Taiwan falls, the US will not nuke China over it. Fight China? Sure. But no nukes unless if China goes full retard and pushes the button first.If Taiwan has nukes, they have their own "Fuck you" option if all hope is lost. That makes the idea of invading them more frightening.
I like how it was just a dumb 'what if taiwan get nuke thread' and yet this so called "american" immediately sperg out and call everyone a tranny because people imply taiwan won't fold to chink
>>64644678>Fight China? Sure.I don't see the political will for even that. Western politicians have become too afraid of any actual action and it will bite us all in the ass eventually.
>>64643890Your tranny obsession is dulling your senses lol, nobody actually likes trannies, but you were so retarded you let yourself be coopted by foreign propaganda agents because “muh trannies”.
>>64644678China would just shoot down Taiwan's nukes, or target their launch sights ahead of the invasion.
