Continuation of the last threadA united European military would have:>3.1 million personnel>8,700 tanks>7,700 aircraft>2,250 shipsIt's safe to say they'd be the new military superpower, but whose equipment would be dominant? Would different country's divisions use different rifles and just have interchangeable ammo?
>>64644182In the spirit of providing equal rights to all members, I would say that for each type of equipment one would be selected, but then the IP would become shared and production happen in several states at the same time.As for what would be decided upon:>Tanks, heavy arty, heavy IFVLeo2 and Boxer (germany)>Light artyCesar>Light IFVThat one finnish thing, can't remember>PlanesFCAS and GCAP, yes both at the same time, need a carrier plane after all>Small armsToss up. HK, FN, CZ all have good ACR clones. Rest need not apply. AR15 variants definitely need not apply. Oh who am I kidding, it would become a shitty 416.
>>64644182If you could unify the mortal enemies which make up the EU, the most sensible thing to do would be to specialise and utilize the individual strengths.UK - NavyGermany - mechanised Army and ArmorItaly - FoodFrench - SurrenderingNordics - Special forcesEastern Europe - Assault Infantry, mine clearing, latrine duty
>>64644195If ukraine joins, they can do drones. Most of eastern europe too, it's something they can become good at and specialize on.Oh and also lynx is probably the most suitable tracked IFV out there.
>>64644197Austria: Alpine warfareBelgium: Strategic airliftBulgaria: Air defenseCroatia: Special forcesCyprus: Territorial defenseCzech Republic: Armored productionDenmark: Arctic operationsEstonia: Cyber defenseFinland: Reserve mobilizationFrance: Power projectionGermany: Military logisticsGreece: Air superiorityHungary: Mechanized forcesIreland: PeacekeepingItaly: Mediterranean naval powerLatvia: NATO coordinationLithuania: Rapid mobilizationLuxembourg: Military intelligenceMalta: Maritime surveillanceNetherlands: Joint operationsPoland: Land warfarePortugal: Atlantic operationsRomania: Black Sea defenseSlovakia: Air defenseSlovenia: Mountain infantrySpain: Amphibious operationsSweden: Defense technologySwitzerland: FortificationsNorway: Arctic naval operationsIceland: Airspace controlGreenland: Arctic surveillanceMoldova: Territorial defenseUnited Kingdom: Global power projectionBelarus: Integrated air defenseUkraine: Large-scale land warfare
>>64644195>>64644199Also MGCS is supposed to be a whole family of vehicles, which is good for parts commonality in production and maintenance. Something like that would become the future platform for most combat vehicles.
>>64644182>counting hungary military as part of it
>>64645420Orban doesn't have much life left in him. Raping kids in public institutions was the last straw I guess.
>>64644182I don't think EU military will ever be a thing to be honest. Each country with it's own interests and military manufacturing sector it will want to shill for, just look at French-German joint future tank program or 6th gen fighter jet project, it's basically dead because each side wants to force more %of it's industry being involved in it. Also, who would command it? What would be the nationality of the ones commanding it? No shot it will ever be a thing, EU would need to federalize and have a central budget.
>>64645688There's less of a difference between European countries than there are between American states desu
Last 2 out of 8 F-16s just arrived in Bulgaria. Say something nice!
>>64644182Please color out Hungarshit, Pisstralia and Slovomit from this map
>>64644182as someone who is Moroccan living in the Netherland and has family and friends, why would I fight or care about European interests? I am just here to make money and hit on Euro women. Most dont care about fighting anymore or have interest.inb4 shitskin, mudslime, ziggger(russia is an enem of Muslims)
>>64645746They will eventually join the EU
>>64644182Is this the thread where the zigger falseflags and pretends to be an imaginary hysteric european?
>>64644209>Croatia: Special forcesIt's been pretty low key but we've been massively investing in drones in the past few years
>>64645758Hi falseflagging zigger.
>>64645802ziggers and europeans are the same people, european governments rely on russian oil but buy it through thirdies and euros want to rely on burgers and turks and chinese instead of starting domestic nationalism and getting rid of women and liberals in power
>>64645808ziggers support israel and half of israel are ziggers and ziggers also are Islamaphobic desu with Chechens and Kavkaz. I hope both you guys just end up wiping eachother out and we can finally live comfy
>>64645818Holy zased! let them fight for taghut and kill eachother over "nationalism" which is such a destructive evil idea
>>64644209>Belgium: Strategic airliftIn the pipe, five by five.
>>64645826NTA but pan-nationalism is far more useful than nationalism. Pan-nationalism is what allows organizations like the EU and NATO to exist
>>64645758>why would I fight or care about European interests?You won't.Just work.It's good enough and what's expected of 99% of europeans if there's a conflict.You'll get your wages.
>>64645836The best choices are either Empire or Caliphate, "nationalism" is cope and the man in the next country, genetically and linguistically are almost the same and it creates unnecessary division
>>64645758je moet niet vechten, we steken je gewoon in een makkaken kamp
>>64645792They already have.They just don't like it as of recently.Hungary is being transformed into a less radioactive belarussia.Slovakia is a shithole that failed to do what all other eastern europeans did and so the zoomers have a false nostalgia of the commie time where you had basic stuff for free even if you were human waste.Not sure what Austria's problem is : they are basically Germans.
>>64645852So they're basically the 'red states' to the rest of Europe's 'blue states'
>>64645420>hungary militaryIt's not much anyway.You could write it off and we wouldn't even know.
>>64645860>look up the Hungarian army>It's half the size of the British Army, who at least have the reasonable excuse of putting the majority of their resources into their navyJesus.
>>64644209>Ukraine: Large-scale land warfareMore like drone warfare. Pretty much every country that can will be sending troops to be trained by Ukrainian drone forces no matter how the war ends.
>>64645889Hungary doesn't have a big population so there's that.Still, you can hardly press the "strong traditional ans independant nation-state" narrative when you are terminally dependant upon thé trade and military of your neighbours.
>>64644182this reeks of eurofederalism, fuck off dutchie
>>64646032It does but why would that be a bad thing ?We already got common currency, mostly the same types of government (except those fucking french), same VAT rules, the same trading laws, same working rules... with just minor local tweeks. A common army sounds like a good idea, especially if nothing prevent individual nations to keep their own territorial and coastal forces.
>>64646061>The military set salaries as an continental average>Suddenly, Eastern Europe becomes one giant fucking barrack.
>>64644182most retarded thing I've ever seen
>>64646068Isn't that already essentially the case with Frontex?
>>64646061Not to mention largely the same culture, same values, same politics, etc.
>>64646075shhhhh let them larp
>>64646075Why?
>>64644209>Ireland: Peacekeepingironicbut true
>>64645744Goose?
>>64646075>most retarded thing I've ever seen>>64646158>shhhhh let them larpThe witterings of a former superpower that lost it's allies and I don't mean Europe
>>64646075>>64646158Everyone laugh at the samefagging vatnik serb.You are not fooling anyone. You have this in many other threads.
>>64646264More likely our dear friends in the "Global South". The thought of a unified, militarized Europe fills the brown man with abject terror.As it should.
>>64646283People in the south aren't terrified of Europe, they want to live there.
I am not dying for the shitty tranny union althougheverbeit
>>64644182Completely infeasible without forming a european nation, which its members won't agree to do anytime soon. As long as they remain separate states there will be to much friction within the armies for anything but basic cooperation between allies.>>64645696
>>64646288Which is why there's talk in some quarters about a united European military being the solution to the migration crisis by dealing with the problem "at the source".
>>64646310That hasn't come into these discussions at all, a unified European military will be used to protect Europe by fighting Russia, not by stopping the immigration that Europe needs.
>>64646312Nice try, but no. Defending Europe means defending Europe, no matter who the invader is.
>>64646317So...Russia. Got it.
>>64646283bro no Brown man is scared of a united Europe because you guys cannot unite and you continue to fill your cities and towns up with us lmao>>64646312>not by stopping the immigration that Europe needs.cannot tell if b8
>>64646319what about the browns that are brought in by christian charities and are flown here? or are they okay
>>64646312>immigration that Europe needsLol, lmao even.
>>64646312>That hasn't come into these discussions at all, a unified European military will be used to protect Europe by fighting Russia, not by stopping the immigration that Europe needs.https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+hybrid+warfare+immigrationSame thing>>64646323>Brown man is scared of a united Europe because you guys cannot unite and you continue to fill your cities and towns up with us lmaoYes you are occupying the same ghettoised urban slums as European Jewery used to. Really makes you think, if you have a brain. You were funnelled into Europe by Russia. We know what you are and we know where you are. Your future is at best a lifetime of poverty and a lonely death.
>>64646306>Completely infeasibleListen to the zigger coping like mad. It makes this sound even more of a good idea
>>64646325Ah now you are having a go at Christianity. You primitives are so predictable.
>>64646336>you are right that ziggers use mass immigration but its also European parties too that are anti zigger just bring in hordes of browns and christian groups too, German NGOS that are not related to europe bring in thousands, have your navy blow boats up
>>64646336There is an emerging consensus that the migrant crisis is due to Russia.Anyone upset over Migrants should be fighting Russia instead of embarrassing themselves by talking about the UK or others
>>64646341I am right tho, I dont have anything against it but you would be foolish to not think that christian NGOS and Churches fund and desire mass immigration,
>>64646345Most migrants are from countries that have nothing to do with ziggers, they are pushed from the polish border yes, but more are brought in from india and nigeria from EU bureaucrats too, German politicians have no problem bringing in somalis without ziggers help
>>64646343My analysis of the mostly far left activists involved in open borders style boat lifts from e.g. the Med are very frequently linked with far left groups that are controlled by Moscow.Know your enemy. The brown detritus that Russia has been funnelling into Europe to get their quislings elected was absolutely facilitated by the other branch of Moscow quislings, the traditional Moscow lead Marxists/Communists.There would always have been some immigration but it was deliberately amplified tenfold by Moscow in the last decade.https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+hybrid+warfare+immigration
>>64646351>Denying that Russia uses hybrid warfare to encourage migrants from third partiesVery good vanya
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>>64646345>There is an emerging consensus that the migrant crisis is due to Russia.>Anyone upset over Migrants should be fighting Russia instead of embarrassing themselves by talking about the UK or others100% this. The fastest way to dramatically reduce mass immigration into Europe is to stick a bayonet up Putins anus.https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+hybrid+warfare+immigration
>>64646360when did i deny it? I know they do, I also know that politicians outside of zigger parties fill their country with browns for votes even if they are anti zigger>>64646358it has been going on since the 1950s, not all anti-White groups are ziggers desu, churches and christian ngos are a problem too, same as muslim ngos
>>64646366>I also know that politicians outside of zigger partiesWhataboutismEveryone is talking about holding Russia accountable and yet you (for unknown reason????) try and change the subject
>>64646364i agree but I also want things in Europe not to be liberalism too, I want women and homosexuals out of politcs, lgbt punished by death, women being virgins before marriage and anti-abortion being mainstream. having TZD is good but if you just want it and to go back to mid 2000s liberalism all men with a martial spirit will not care
>>64646371When did I change the subject? I am saying anti-Whiteness comes from all different sides not just ziggers, we know ziggers do it too?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5I25DpIH6okek this migrants. Because obviously the Siberian route is the most obvious one when you come from a desert shithole. Totally not freighted there by zigger charter flights. And look at these nice brand new bicycles, totally not handed by ziggers so they could do the last 10km.Nuke Russia. Burn the Kremlin.
>>64646379>"le saviour of white race" narrativeKEKJust give it up, you are not good at this at all vanya
>>64646351>Most migrants are from countries that have nothing to do with ziggersThey propagandise immigration into Europe massively in India, Nepal and Pakistan and run several human trafficking networks, aside form inflows from Africa from Wagner Africa and controlling routes across Lybia. A great deal of Russian activity to destabilise Sudan is to create more mass immigrant inflows. Assad and Putin got rid of more of Assads opponents by issuring them travel papers and moving them to Europe than they did by killing themSimilarly incidents like church burnings etc where carried out to support election of quilings in teh French LePenists, AFD eetc. The same scipt they are running with agent Farage in the UK now. However it is primarily Russian networks that are amplifying immigration into Europe and this has been the case for a decade. It is just another reason the FSB state must be erased in entirety.https://www.google.com/search?q=russian+hybrid+warfare+immigration
>>64644182This is retarded, not even Europe wants this.
>>64646386who gives a fuck about the churches burning lmao, they support it. Christianity is anti-White>>64646383why not just shoot them? If you are going to take them in russia will keep sending them desu just gun them down
>>64646383For a long time they were pouring directly over teh Russian and Belarussian borders, Russia granted visa free air transit for onward travel to Europe. They funnelled them towards places like Sweden and Germany initially, then the UK, Italy and Greece. The EU has done a lot to combat this but ultimately the death of the FSB state is the final solution.
>>64646391Again we know you are not European. It is not surprising to see you are also a primitive who cannot value Christianity.
>>64646401Christianity in 2025 is mass immigration and gynocentric pot lucks, Catholics used to be war like and cool when it was about colonialism and expelling jews, now 99% of churches are leftist ngosEurope needs Wotan
"The statistics from EU border agency FRONTEX show that there has been a 200% increase in migrant arrivals on the EU’s Eastern Borders in the period that Russia launched its aggression against Ukraine – even as numbers fell across traditional routes like the Mediterranean. The explanation is clear – Moscow is manufacturing these crises to distract NATO forces, stretch EU cohesion and retaliate for Ukraine’s resilience.Each new wave serves a dual purpose. Internationally, it sows discord and diverts attention from Russian battlefield failures. Domestically, it feeds the Kremlin’s propaganda machine, allowing it to accuse the West of hypocrisy – alternately cruel for rejecting migrants or decadent for accepting them. Either way, Russia wins twice."https://henryjacksonsociety.org/2025/11/13/how-russia-uses-migration-as-a-weapon/
>>64644182>Fails because France and Germany refuse to agree on anything for equipment specs or cede any authority to another
>>64646408I don't care what you think. You are not European. To me you are just another variety of worthless savage.
>>64646425Christianity is not even European tho
>>64646336Many of these immigrants are now citizens. They are woven into the fabric of Europe and are Europeans, you can't get rid of them. Even if you wanted to, it would tear the European Union apart to try.
>>64646408>Europe needs WotanYikes
>>64646432You know Azov is a pagan batallion that kills ziggers for Wotan?
>>64646228Why would anyone agree to this? Small nations like mine (Finland) are concerned with territorial defence and not getting annihilated by our genocidal neighbour.Countries like France, UK are concerned with "projecting power". Fundamentally these are two mutually exclusive objectives.>>64646264>>64646271seems like my post garnered some controversy....
>>64646433>muh azovFunny that this is what you immediately went for.Besides idgaf, nu-pagans are gay larpers, no exceptions.
>>64646435>Why would anyone agree to this?Because Europe is very homogenous politically and culturally. Everyone there agrees that liberal democracy is the best system, you all largely share the same culture, you all know english, and ultimately you all want the same things.
>>64646437Azov is awesome tho? tf would I hate on AzovHow are they larpers if they are killing ziggers for real, same as other Neo-Pagan right wing groups
>>64645758you'll just get cleansed by the boys coming back from the front
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>>64646444no man who has any martial ability will fight for this.You fight for Europe because of race and to defend your volk
>>64646312Europeans, or any other nations or unions in the west for that matter, do not need immigrants. Immigrants are used for replacing unmet growth expectations. And yes, it sounds very fucking retarded but with everything starting with unpaid loans to social security has been calculated to growth expectations. You know, in year 2030 there will be population of this size and they will produce this and this much product, which will be taxed at this rate and so forth.This is the practical politics of it. The main reason. The only real reason.Now, there is a lot of mental acrobatics involved, which can be split into categories such as humanitarian, cultural and economical, but those are niches. None of them matter as much. Every party has to agree to this, and each agree for their own reasons. However if they actually understand running the government they will always prioritize this reason over anything else. The government cannot go or appear to go bankrupt.If the government can't get its new tax payers in form of new babies it will start importing tax payers. Even if it turns out they aren't actual tax payers but slobs who cost taxes, because it will get the current government through their period and by next period it will be somebody else's problem.This is why even a conservative representative WILL allow immigration. Because they have no fucking choice. Even if they're super racist they'll just hope for a purge somewhere down the road, but still take immigrants. People need money for having babies and quality of life, which means studying for a long ass time, working for a long ass time because everything costs so much, and by the time they have a chance to get babies they're in their late 30s, barely able to make one or two children. That is if they're lucky. Which sets the magical all affecting curve at a negative.And there you have it. Magic trick revealed.
>>64646283>The thought of a unified, militarized Europe fills the brown man with abject terror.Consider the following :One of the driving forces to scramble for colonies was to get territories before other european nations could claim them.Even if not profitable in the short term, it was thought that simply letting rivals fill the void was unacceptable and each nation had to spread as wide as economically possible to prepare for the next war against another european power.It's only because of such wars that europeans exhausted themselves beyond their ability to recover the cost of running the colonies.We took a 50 years break... and realized we did not need to conquer for the Brown to serve us.
>>64646435Everyone is making fun of the ziggers who are screeching because the angst over migrants is being turned into broad consensus for a war against Russia and measures to prevent another Trump presidency from gaining traction on social media
>>64646493I dont want ziggers and browns, why is that so hard to understand?
>>64646435Projecting power is really based and fun also thoughever.
>>64646472>You fight for Europe because of race and to defend your volkUh, no. That's not why Europe fights. This isn't the 1940's anymore.
>>64646347it's surprising that you would come to this conclusion, given the religion of most migrants and the most common belief systems of the most pro-migration political parties in the West, when the prima facie case is the exact opposite.
>>64646366you're talking to a known anon who always rants about Russia, ignores all other contributory factors, and insists that you are vatnik for bringing them updon't bother.
>>64646508>pro migration political partiesIt’s called basic humanity to treat folks with dignity. A zigger would not understandTo address the migrant issue, focus on addressing the Russia problemThe solution is not to abuse migrants who arrive in Europe as fellow victims of Russian hybrid warfare The solution is to seek pro democracy change in Russia
>>64646428You keep sitting there attacking my heritage and effectively messaging on kremlin lines. You are my enemy, You are Europe's enemy. Why are you even replying to me? You choose a side, the wrong one.
>>64646513ty>>64646507this is 6/10 b8>>64646508maybe but Chrisitan churches still act as leftist NGOS. We had Churches here bring in afghans lmao
>>64644182European militaries don't need unification; they need funding
>>64646519>Support TZD>Want putin dead>want armed Europe>Want White Ethniocentrism all in Euorpe>want All anti-White NGOS gone>Rightfully criticize Chrsitain NGOS as anti-White and facilitate in mass migrationwhat are you talking about
>>64646521>maybe but Chrisitan churches still act as leftist NGOSRight, totally organic opposition to your own churches, suuuuure
>>64646429>Many of these immigrants are now citizens. They are woven into the fabric of Europe and are Europeans, you can't get rid of them. Even if you wanted to, it would tear the European Union apart to try.Like I say Europe is not the US there is no social mobility,. If they want to live and die in poverty abroad for Russian lies then they will as a ghettoised minority like the Jews before them. They are fools used as expendables in Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare strategies.
>>64646529>Right, totally organic opposition to your own churches, suuuuureWhat? Orthodox Churches are FSB hubs and should be banned and torn down...
>>64646528If you attack Europe's Christian heritage you are not European>>64646358>The brown detritus that Russia has been funnelling into Europe to get their quislings elected was absolutely facilitated by the other branch of Moscow quislings, the traditional Moscow lead Marxists/Communists.
>>64646521>Chrisitan churches still act as leftist NGOsome dothe COE institutional capture in Britain for example is basically complete. they tacitly support leftist policy, which means they implicitly approve of boat invaders.but it's a matter of ratios, isn't it? why mention churches when mosques are far more likely to have a hand in all this?
>>64646539>If you attack Europe's Christian heritage you are not EuropeanI recognize its heritage, I also recognize that right now it is used against Europe and basically just for browns. I liked when popes actually lead armies and tortured people like jews and women for witchcraft
>>64646536>What? Orthodox Churches are FSB hubs and should be banned and torn down...I don;t think they all are but the Russian Orthodox Church certainly is little more than a FSB branch, I don't think this applies to Greek Orthodox etc
>>64646543Like I say you are not European, you parrot kremlin messaging, you are my enemy and the enemy of the European peoples, you choose a side, the kremlins side and in Just Défense I hope you are neutralised. Kremlin networked propagandists are enemy combatants.
>>64646531>Europe is not the US there is no social mobilityEurope has way more social mobility than the USA lmao what are you talking about
>>64646553>4>>64646536I wrote this, Most orthodox churches are zigger hubs and most western churches are anti-White brown immigration hubsEurope needs their own Indigenous Gods, not semetic ones
>>64646544When you say that Christian NGOs are a contributing factor to the migrant crisis, you need to make it very clear that you are referring to FSB controlled “Christian” groups.
>>64646554No it does not. If you think that people who missed secondary education, depend on social security have no land or wealth or inheritance are in their mid20s with no career or family to support them in Europe have any hope of anything other than menial ghettoised poverty you are deluded.
>>64646557the catholic church is the main one and thats not FSB, as well as western European ones. The pope is anti zigger too and his church funds browns
>>64646562>literal demoralization oblastposting Fuck off
>>64646562Most of Europe is way ahead of the US in social mobility.
I have a feeling that Germany is going to get nuked this time.
>>64646557I did make that clear. While the krmelin has been engaging in immigration as hybrid warfare against the EU and UK for well over a decade, since the Ukraine invasion they dialled it up to maximum as that also impacts the provisions for Ukrainian war refuges in Europe. The situation is quite clear, both Russia and Mass Immigration are substantially the same problem and in both cases the elimination of the FSB state and anti European elements amongst immigrants, kremlin left and right quislings requires applied force. By far the most obvious immediate step is a total Ukrainian victory followed by as the Russians would say 'active measures' against anti European and kremlin elements in Europe after the head of the snake is cut off. American leadership is massively contaminated by the same kremlin filth. Americans should focus on their own problem there because if a war with China emerges, every conversation in the white house will be on Xis desk via their Moscow quislings before the action it directs has been effected. Look at the chaos that Russia orchestrated with BLM and the mirror 'boog' movement,
>>64646587Immigration was literally the biggest issue that got Trump elected in the first place.
>>64646576If you think some brown man with no secondary education who has weak language skills, no money, dependent on social security, ghettoised and with no supporting family or inheritance is doing anything but living and dying in poverty in Europe you are utterly deluded. Life at the bottom of European society has never been a very enjoyable position.
>>64646592>Immigration was literally the biggest issue that got Trump elected in the first place.Really makes you think huh? You think that Russia was just using mass immigration as hybrid warfare against Europe do you? You sort your shit out, we'll sort ours. Our leadership is far less compromised by the kremlin than the USA (even including filth like orban and farage)
>>64646601Yes, and the far-right people rabidly opposing immigration are, not coincidentally, ending up as Russia's puppets in the process. Russia would not take the side of someone who would fix Europe's problems. If the guys opposing Russia the least are also the ones opposing immigration the most, it's safe to say immigration isn't the thing causing problems.
>>64646614All Russian quislings were advocates of Russian foreign policy positions in the past and message in line with Russian scripted messaging Anti EUAnti-NATORussian hybrid warfare mass immigration is the fault of your European government, teh EU etcAppease Russia in UkraineMultipolar world.etc etc
>>64646624The EU is the most anti-Russian organization there is, the EU as an organization has sent more aid to Ukraine than all the individual nations of Europe combined. If you really want to oppose Russia, you will support the EU's agenda.
>>64646597>Life at the bottom of European society has never been a very enjoyable position.But Europe, unlike America, actually gives out free healthcare and generous welfare, which gives these people the chance to improve their situation on life instead of just spiraling into debt.
>>64646435I don't get this argument. A federal EU would have more troops than Finland has people, how would that be a negative for Finland's territorial defense? Do you think a Federal EU with nukes and a massive army would just let its poorer, weaker neighbor annex its territory?
>>64644195>AR15 variants definitely need not apply. Oh who am I kidding, it would become a shitty 416Why would the EU give up a cheap modular platform that's already received investment and for which they share commonality with America, Australia, and Canadian armed forces?Europe isn't on its own, the west is still the west.
>>64646645Yes?>>64646665Poverty is poverty. There is no future for someone foreign in their 20s with no money, no European family no secondary education who speaks the native language badly other than poverty, the pseudo ghettos that are social security hosing in Europe are unpleasant people and social security support .won't even keep them warm in winter. They will, live and die in poverty in Europe as a ghettoised minority with at the very best a career as a menial barely making minimum They are expendables in a Russian mass immigration hybrid warfare and fools. The definition of useful idiots.
>>64646665You typically have no access to social security payments in many European nations unless you have worked a minimum number of years first and it is designed to be just enough to keep you alive and not enough to do anything but be poor on. Most of them will go back on their own.
>>64646725>There is no future for someone foreign in their 20s with no moneyThey'll get money through welfare and social services>no European familyThey can marry someone and make a family, or invite family from their home to come join them>no secondary educationState-paid education takes care of that>who speaks the native language badlyNot an issue, everybody in Europe agrees that speaking their non-native language of English is best and it hasn't caused any problems
>>64646733That's just social security though, there's plenty of other welfare in Europe to help lift you on your feet.
>>64646735>everybody in Europe agrees that speaking their non-native language of English is bestYou really have no idea about Europe do you? You genuinely believe that someone in their 20s with no secondary education who struggles to speak French, German, Polish, Dutch or even English with a native accent who has no inherited family wealth in Europe who lives in social security ethnic ghettland and social housing has a bright future do you? Utter misery and poverty is their lives and if they are extremely lucky menial busy work. Even affording private sector rental is out of their reach forever.
>>64646753We've seen a lot of success stories in Europe. The mayor of London is a muslim, and there's been dozens of secretaries of state that are muslims, and we're even seeing them join the European parliament. Besides, social security 'slums' as you call them are still way better than anything outside of Europe. Hell, people in Norwegian prison live better than most people in America.
>>64646739>>64646735I'm in a European nation right now, I've lived and worked in several others as an EU professional with full rights and know them well and speak several languages with a native accent. I'm telling you now that life for someone in their mid 20s with no secondary education who does not speak the languages and has no European family support, in an ethnic ghetto dependent on social welfare is grim. Long term unemployment, living in high crime ghettoes, bottom of the social ladder and with zero prospects of anything other than poverty and an accompanying early death in a foreign country where no body knows them and nobody really cares. There is absolutely nothing for them in Europe, it's streets are not paved with social security gold. Why does someone who knows as little about Europe as you do even voice an opinion? You think someone with no education in their 20s in somewhere like France or Germany who can't speak the language is going to magically make it do you? They will be lucky if they wind up cleaning toilets to retain minimum social security support. Did you think Russian cared about them and made a viable life play for them when they propagandised immigrating to Europe at them?Even if they speak English with a foreign accent they are fucked. In fact most European with no inheiritance or family support are fucked.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZP83qiWbOs
>>64646767You idiots are so deluded about Europe it is actually hilarious. The magic land where brown ghettoised illiterates who can't speak the languages magically make it is it?
>>64646781As someone who lives outside of Europe I will tell you that what Europeans consider 'grim', the rest of the world considers a paradise. You just have such a great society that anyone who is even slightly uncomfortable by your standards tends to be looked upon as being a worst case scenario. But the very bottom of European society lives better than the upper middle class of most of the rest of the world so it's really not a big issue.
>>64646786There's nothing magical about it. Strong social support systems = success. Europe has those so they see a lot of success.
>>64646793>>64646799I'll tell you this as someone who knows what happens to foreign illiterate non native third world immigrants in Europe, they get eaten alive, mainly by people exploiting them in their own expatriate communities and they live and die in poverty. YOu think the third world is rough? Go look at a Romanian gypsy encampment or an Irish traveller halting site and at the bottom of the pile itinerate ethically ghettoised immigrants are their peers. There is nothing for them in Europe except utter poverty for life and cold winters. Europeans without family don't make it either and being stuck in a high crime urban ghetto with the bare minimum to eat let alone be warm in winter is far from comfy. They are fucked. All you do is voice kremlin propaganda, the same propaganda that the kremlin spews at these retards to amplify immigration as part of hybrid warfare.
>>64646799You want to see what the future of the third world idiots that bought into Russian propaganda to become part of Russian hybrid warfare mass immigration is, have a watch of thishttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjQyNhDzGSIThe bottom ten percent in every European nation live in grinding poverty. That's where they are forever.
>>64646834>All you do is voice kremlin propagandaExcept all the most anti-immigration parties also end up being the most pro-Russian so it's not the immigrants causing you problems, it's your own natives right-wing politicians.
>>64646719Who would be joining such a force? What is its objective?Nobody in Finland would be joining up willingly to get involved in Frances post-colonial adventures in Africa. Nobody in Portugal would be joining up to protect the Suwalki gap. All countries already have their defence solutions figured out, with most being in NATO for an extra layer of 'just in case',cheaper weapons and mutual aid etc. And if everyone keeps their own armies and systems then you just have a NATO without the USA.
>>64646861>Except all the most anti-immigration parties also end up being the most pro-RussianThere are several objectives of Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare 1)Profit. They orchestrate not just propagandising immigration to Europe but the majority of fraudulent visa application networks and fund themselves from fees paid by third world idiots2)Destabilisations via messaging that it is the EUs fault that Russia is conducting mass immigration amplification supporting anti EU messaging3)Positioning pro Moscow quislings to soak up anti EU anti immigrant voters4)Inciting mass protests, riots causing distraction events.5)Inciting terrorist attacks both by radicalised immigrants and posing as anti immigrant activists6)Drain resources that should be available for Ukrainian refugees, hamper asylum resources for them and create hostility towards them lumped in with third world immigrantsThe aim is to cause chaos and misery in EU states, promote their quislings and destabilise Europe, promote anti EU sentiment by blaming the issue on the EU etc. It hardly needs to be said that kremlin does not give a fuck about these third world useful idiots or what happens to them afterwards or think they have any prospects in Europe you are a fool.The quickest way to drastically reduce immigration from outside Europe is the complete destruction of the FSB state and the most immediate path to that is a complete Ukrainian victory.,https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-journal-of-international-security/article/implementing-a-new-tool-russias-strategic-use-of-migrants-towards-norway-and-finland-201516/A6EA1B686C7C3EDA3B4DB6F15F71DB0E"This article provides novel insights into Russia’s strategic use of migrants, using the Federal Security Service (FSB)-enabled migration flows towards Norway and Finland in 2015/16 as a case study. "
>>64646918>Who would be joining such a force?Everyone who joins the military today>What is its objective?To protect Europe from foreign invasion and protect its interests>Nobody in Finland would be joining up willingly to get involved in Frances post-colonial adventures in AfricaWhy not? America is 50 individual states, most of whom have no interest in foreign intervention, but it still happens anyways.
>>64645696Great meme
https://www.hoover.org/research/weaponization-migration-powerful-instrument-russias-hybrid-toolbox"As part of Moscow’s hybrid war toolbox Russia’s weaponization of migration becomes an even more apparent means of destabilizing the West.Across three continents, a pattern of strategically engineered migration emerges as a result of Russian military and hybrid activities. These actions are not only weakening the hand of Western powers across various theaters; they fuel a flow of desperate refugees towards Europe.The ensuing migration crises have profoundly affected the political climate of EU countries, with migration becoming one of the most important topics in electoral campaigns, leading to a growing influence of far-right and anti-immigrant rhetoric. That migration has become weaponized is underscored by the views of the Chief of the Russian Defence Staff, General Valery Gerasimov’s worldview, that “wars are no longer declared and, having begun, proceed according to an unfamiliar template. […] The role of nonmilitary means of achieving political and strategic goals has grown, and, in many cases, they have exceeded the power of the force of weapons in their effectiveness”.Russia’s extensive military presence across several theaters around the globe should not be understood merely as attempts at proving Moscow’s resurgence as a global power. These limited, but consequential military adventures also serve as an indirect continuation of Moscow’s hybrid war against the West by other means. Although in various configurations, Russian military actions in countries such as Libya, the Central African Republic, Sudan, Mozambique, but especially in Syria and, of course, Ukraine, have generated displacement of civilians in ways that have most obviously served Moscow’s interests. Examining the intricate ways in which Russia has employed such tactics in the past becomes a vital task, especially in the light of heightened tensions in the immediate future."
https://mwi.westpoint.edu/weaponized-migration-in-eastern-europes-frozen-north-do-not-overlook-russian-hybrid-warfare/"Earlier this year, Italy faced a surge in migrants—mainly from African countries with pro-Russian military juntas such as Niger, Burkina Faso, Mali, and the Central African Republic. The migrant wave also came from countries where the Wagner Group and GRU (Russian Foreign Intelligence Service) are active, such as Libya and Sudan. Italy’s government has directly blamed the Wagner Group for the surge of migrant boats seeking to cross the Mediterranean.The surge in migrants this year coincides with Putin’s overall goals in the war against Ukraine, which he hopes to freeze on favorable terms as the Russian military has suffered hundreds of thousands of casualties and faces a logistical and labor shortage. The domino effect the Kremlin hopes to achieve is overwhelming the social welfare systems of European Union members. From there, Moscow hopes tensions between locals and migrants inflame and trigger the rise of far-right populist governments with a pro-Russian agenda, as seen with the current political climate in Hungary and Slovakia."
If third world muslim immigrants are agents of russia, we can shoot them as foreign invaders, right? Right?
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>>64646957No, that's what Russia wants you to do. Remember it's the anti-immigrant parties being propped up as a part of Russia's actions. The solution isn't to be anti-immigrant, but to attack the source of the destabilization, which is Russia.
https://militairespectator.nl/artikelen/allegations-russian-weaponized-migration-against-eu"In February and March 2016, when the refugee crisis facing the European Union was still ongoing and vivid in the minds of European politicians as well as the public, US General Philip Breedlove, Head of NATO forces in Europe, accused Russia of working actively to exacerbate the refugee flows in an attempt to destabilize and destroy the EU. In a testimony in front of the House Armed Services Committee, he said, ‘Together, Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration from Syria. In an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve.’"
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35706238https://www.france24.com/en/20160302-nato-commander-says-syria-russia-using-migrant-crisis-weapon"The supreme allied commander in Europe for the 28-member military alliance said the massive flow of migrants from war-torn Syria has had a destabilizing effect on European countries where they found refuge, and that worked to Moscow's advantage."Together, Russia and the Assad regime are deliberately weaponizing migration in an attempt to overwhelm European structures and break European resolve," Breedlove told the Senate Armed Services Committee.|"
https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/italy-blames-surge-migration-russias-wagner-group-2023-03-13/"ROME, March 13 (Reuters) - The Italian government on Monday said Russian mercenary group Wagner was behind a surge in migrant boats trying to cross the central Mediterranean as part of Moscow's strategy to retaliate against countries supporting Ukraine."I think it is now safe to say that the exponential increase in the migratory phenomenon departing from African shores is also, to a not insignificant extent, part of a clear strategy of hybrid warfare that the Wagner division is implementing, using its considerable weight in some African countries," Defence Minister Guido Crosetto said in a statement."
The FSB declared war on the EU and the UK and the European peoples. The only correct response is to kill every single living FSB member and their families. The first step to that is to collapse the FSB state and the priority there is a total Ukrainian military victory that effectively disarms the FSB state of conventional weapon stockpiles and inflicts a crippling blow to the perception of Putin as a capable leader,There is a separate issue in how to deal with the traitor. Quisling networks that have worked for the FSB and their propaganda arms in nations such as India. This could range from criminal sentencing, sanctions on individuals, freezing financial assets through to termination in the case of undeclared Russian agents from outside of Europe.
>>64646957>If third world muslim immigrants are agents of russiaThey are useful idiots in the vast majority, there to cost money, steal beds from Ukrainians war asylum seekers and polarise subvert and divide European nations and cause anti EU sentiment by blaming Russian hybrid warfare mass immigration on the EU and get positioned quislings elected who will support Russian foreign policy, If you kill the FSB you drastically reduce mass immigration immediately, if you kill one of the useful idiot immigrants you accomplish little,You can see all this
>>64646957Inciting domestic terrorism is exactly what the FSB wants to do creating a further crisis fir European nation. Go kill a ziggerDefeating kremlin mass immigration hybrid warfare and defeating the Russian FSB state is the same struggle for the European peoples. They should pay a high price for what they have done. The FSB must be ended generationally, their families should also be killed down to the youngest child.
>united Europeansuperpower by 2030
>>64647086Someone has to fill in the power gap left by America
>>64647086They already are a great power. It's America that just ceased to be a superpower under kremlin maga, now it is just a great power as well and profoundly subverted right at the top of the government by it's Russian and Chinese enemies. ..
>>64647095Now really, when Russia is gone Russia is gone and clearly China is just the USAs problem alone now, although it may well be that Japan, South Korea, the Philippines and Taiwan Australia and Canada find the EU a more dependable ally going forward.
>>64646961Even if russia is gone, they are still a threat to europe that needs to be adressed.
>>64647136>>64647055>The FSB must be ended generationally, their families should also be killed down to the youngest child.
>>64647144I am talking about immigrants from the third world.
>>64647151They will integrate over time, Europe is doing much better than the USA in this regard.
>>64647151You want to dramatically reduced that? Read up and destroy the FSB. Look at pro kremlin voices on the populist right and far left, identify members of Russian embassy orhectraded social clubs based around activities such as paintball, fiving, hiking or motor bike clubs. Learn to identify extremist groups being groomed by Russian handlers to become domestic terror cells carrying out sabotage of infrastructure for the kremlin under monikers like 'active clubs', 'patriotic alternatives' etcSupport total Ukrainian victory and the criminalisation of Moscow propagandists and quislings,Serve your nation and European peoples, not the kremlin and it's hybrid warfare mass immigration and quislings and terrorists.
>>64647186They will leave of be subsumed by new waves of ghettoised refugees that consume their gibs. As it is they are fucked already. There never was anything for them in Europe but rotting at the bottom of the pile
>>64647198>paintball, diving, hiking or motor bike clubs.fixed
>>64647198Nigger russian has nuclear weapons. We cannot invade russia and end their subterfuge, we can contain it at best. By, for example, not allowing those russian-incentivized immigrants into europe. That would SOLVE the problem.
>>64644209>Germany: Military logisticscome on nowpanzer regiments and fighter squadrons
>>64647210You can't look at the first generation, successive generations always do better.
>>64647226>russian has nuclear weaponsSo they say, but we have no reason to believe they still work after all those years of being left to rot. We can't get rid of the immigrants, but we can slow down the source by getting rid of Russi
>>64647271>So they say, but we have no reason to believe they still work after all those years of being left to rotHave they actually succeeded in a test launch that did not measure in Richter but height? As far as I know all their missiles blew up, one even made the silo into a neat crater.Then again, the bong launches weren't any better.
>>64647226You don;t have to invade. Russia is currently controlled by the KGB with Putin as it's figurehead. A total Ukrainian victory accomp;lishes three things1)Russian conventional weapons disarmament (a project already well advanced)2)Completely destroys Putins credibility as a leader3)Ruins the Russian war economy and collapses it.As regards nukes. Frace and the UK have assets that can erase 80% of the Russian population in the first volley.This is an important projecthttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Sky_Shield_Initiative>>64647226>We cannot invade russia and end their subterfuge, we can contain it at best. By, for example, not allowing those russian-incentivized immigrants into europe. That would SOLVE the problem.Indeed, which is why the governments of Poland, Latvia, Finland (with the support of Sweden) have closed their borders with Russia and Belarus. However as long as Russia is propagandising mass immigration to Europe, creating waves of displaced third worlders and operating for profit mass fake visa and document services the problem will remain You can kill the FSB without ever sending a military force into Russia and Ukraine is a great player to have on the team for that goal.If you want to drastically reduce mass immigration, you destroy the people orchestrating mass immigration as hybrid warfare for the last decade and wipe out their generational successors, also creating a warning for others who would threaten the European peoples.The FSB state will not survive a total defeat in Ukraine. When they loose the control of the state it will be far easier to locate and terminate them and their families, which are by no means exclusively in Russia.
>>64647264Your a fucking idiot. There are large elements of the lower strata's of European society that already just want to kill them all and they are not much liked by an y of the European peoples. Then there is you and your Russian propagandised delusions about brown illiterate 20 something immigrants and their chances in Europe. Doing what? Living 20 to a three bedroom house without the money to even feed themselves? What you think they are Michael J Fox in 80s America do you?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGHDATIJIX8They would already be dying like flies on the streets if they did not have asylum accommodation. What do you think happens when they get kicked out of it? You and your kremlin noise. The immigrants who wasted their money on Russian mass immigration hybrid warfare visas to Europe are absolutely fucked. If they exist it will be as impoverished ethic and linguistic ghettos despised by the vats majority. Wake up and smell the reality.
>>64647307>There are large elements of the lower strata's of European society that already just want to kill them allDon't confuse your fringe internet cults with reality. Liberalism continues to be the dominant political system of Europe with no indication it'll go any other way.
Why kill the Russian population when you only have to kill about 200,000 FSB members and their children and there will be PLENTY of Russians and Belarussians and Ukrainians eager to do that after a total Ukrainian victory and the collapse of Putins war economy, half of the ex mobiks for a start,
Funny how Turkey is suddenly Europe when it comes to dying for it. Leave us alone eurofreaks. No gibs = no defense. No pussy = no work.
>>64647319Nta but politics and reality are two different thing. Our overlords may want to keep their political correct charade on,but i guarantee you, most people in the streets hate immigrants, and not out of irrational hatred or preconceptions, this i can guarantee to you.
>>64647335Europe is the most democratic region on earth, the politics does reflect the reality.
>>64647283>The FSB state will not survive a total defeat in Ukraine.Sadly as much as I would like to see a final and complete Russian collapse, there is no chance for this. Even though Russia lost the war itself, it's now posturing a win for territory after its strategic goals failed.
>>64647345>mob rule of boomer women that wants to backdoor your encryption, your chats; wants to ban your VPN; also wants you arrested for complaining about shitskinsWow thanks. No unalienable constitutional freedom = irrelevant democracy.
>>64647319What you know about 'liberalism' could be written on a postage stamp and lost to mankind without it troubling humanity. If you think the classical liberalism that gives us democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, separation of powers and recognition of the legal rights of individuals founded on great European thinkers ranging from Mill to Hobbs to Locke to Rousseau, Voltaire to Bentham is the issue instead of the very kremlin orientated Kremlin Marxists who were at the heart of agitation for everything from decriminalising homosexuality, to no fault divorce, third wave feminism, transvestite advocacy, positive discrimination, ultra secularism, abortion advocacy etc etc You are completely blind. Europe's core values are Christianity and Classical liberalism. If you think that these illiterate, non native language speaking dregs hiding in free hostels have a great future in Europe you have never lived in Europe, know nothing about Europe and are parroting Russian pro immigration propaganda directed at the third world to incite mass immigration as hybrid warfare, There is absolutely zero chance of success or comfortable survival for any of them on the margins of society in the bottom ten percent of income, with no property or land or money and the vast majority of citizens utterly hostile to them in a climate and culture utterly alien to them. They have a snowballs chance in Hell of not dying in poverty. They should never have allowed themselves to be used by the Russians as part of the Russian hybrid warfare mass immigration programme and many will ultimately die on the streets. That is the price of stupidity and being a useful idiot.
>>64647334Turkey is not and never has been part of Europe. Look to your own democracy Turkish man. Russia has been historically belligerent to both Europe and Turkey and there is common ground in that to be seen or ignored as both parties wish..
>>64647334You're already gargling leonardo's balls aziz, because after you bought piaggio you suddenly have the entire european drone market as your oyster. You don't want to get the white man mad now that he's checking your bazaar.
>>64647348>Sadly as much as I would like to see a final and complete Russian collapse, there is no chance for this. Even though Russia lost the war itself, it's now posturing a win for territory after its strategic goals failed.Not alone is it probable, it is exactly what has been progressing for the last three years but it is only accomplished by the complete defeat and disarmament of Russian ground forces which is playing out every day if you have eyes to see it. At that point Russia is right back to 1917 and you know what happened to the Tsar and his ministers then?
>>64647361You're gibbering now. You've never read a European nations constitution in your life. Unless you mean the American one which enshrined freedoms for all (except the ones who were SLAVES). How was their right to bear arms in a militia respected?Fool.
>>64647364>If you think that these illiterate, non native language speaking dregs hiding in free hostels have a great future in Europe you have never lived in EuropeHow bad can it actually be when a Norwegian prison looks better than most apartments in American cities
>>64647376>the Tsar and his ministershttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgnClrx8N2k
>>64646562>mid 20 years old>missed secondary educationThe mid-20 adults are 16% of the population of Europe.Among them, barely 17% haven't got a secondary degrees.You are talking about 2-3% of the population.For home/land ownership, about 70% of adults have it in Europe on average.Of course, young people who worked less than 10 years are far less likely to be home owners compared to people who have worked 30 years and paid their mortage.Still, we are talking about 25% of people owning a home by their mid-20.This goes up to around 39% for mid-30 and keep rising to nearly 90% by the mid-50.So yeah, you are right : the scum of Europe has not much to hope for. But we are talking a very small percentage of people, with most of them improving their lot as they age. Only the absolute garbage are renting while staying on the dole with no degree by the time they are 40 years old.
>>64647405They have even less than the scum of Europe they are illiterates who can't even speaks the local language mainly from the bottom of the IQ barrel due to childhood malnutrition and .poor diet from alien ethnicities and with incompatible non native religious cults. Which is exactly why the Russians find it easy to propagandise the fake hopium of 'just get to Europe and something something everything will be fine' to them and co-opt them into Russia's mass immigration as hybrid warfare programme.It won't be fine for the, They are expendable useful idiots for the Russians to whisper false hopes to that will die in the journey or in poverty..
>>64647418They wouldn't be any better back home, at least in Europe they can enjoy free high quality healthcare and a robust welfare state.
>>64647405>young people who worked less than 10 years are far less likely to be home owners compared to people who have worked 30 years and paid their mortage.They inherit. There is very very little social mobility in Europe. The odds of any illiterate third world Russian hybrid warfare immigrant ever accruing the funds to secure e.g. even a small farm in Europe are nil.
>>64647427No one gives a shit where they are better off. The era of post colonial acceptance of browns in places like the UK is loooong gone. Europe right now leaves people to die homeless. The only thing separating most of them that arrived in the last three years and a winter street is a temporary bed in a hostel (if they are not already living in a soaking wet tent). They are FUCKED,
>>64647440>There is very very little social mobility in EuropeStill more than anywhere else in the entire world
>>64645688>who would command it?Captain oh my captain
>>64647427>enjoy free high quality healthcare and a robust welfare state.You don't get that when your asylum claim fails or your student visa expires ranjeet, you get a letter telling you to get the fuck outhttps://www.crimeworld.com/sundayworld/foreign-national-awaiting-deportation-found-dead-in-cloverhill-prison-cell/a/103874095.htmlA 38-year-old Indian national has been found dead in Cloverhill Prison just days after another inmate at the Dublin lock-up was stabbed to death.The dead man, who was not a criminal or facing any criminal charges, was found by staff unresponsive this morning.He had been in custody since mid-September while awaiting deportation from the State after entering the country illegally.The man was among four prisoners being held in a three-man cell and is believed at this stage to have died of natural causes.
>>64647448That's not true, they have access to the NHS, ESOL programs, the REP settlement options, Citizens Advice, Migrant Help, DWP, local programs too, etc.
>>64647186I live in austria and I know for fucking they do literally everthing besides integrating. They are a problem and need to be adressed no matter if the russians are around or not.>>64647210Turks have been here for a while and they have not made an effort to integrate, arabs, nafris and afgahns are even more foreign to us than turks. I cannot see a reason why it would go any better with them.
>>64647458>Funny looking german>Clearly supreme military leader materialUhhh... yeah.
>>64647418Not sure I'm getting your point.If you are saying than a small part of the population have it rougher than the 5% worst of the population, then yeah sure. But if a system is at least decent for 95% of the population, allowing for most people to go from poverty to owning a home in a single génération, it's not failing, it's just not perfect.Sure, the few percents of inadapted at the bottom have it hard to climb. But their children will go to school ans receive medical care for nearly free. They'll learn the language, earn a degree and get a job, with a few more cultural difficulties than the native-born but that will still be a step-up from being bien in Africa. Of course, if they waste that chance, that's on them : maybe their kids will be wiser. If not, that's still an ultraminority.
>>64647480>I live in austria and I know for fucking they do literally everthing besides integratingNot everywhere in Europe has had that problem, the UK has successfully integrated many of its immigrants as has Germany
>>64647480Mean to replay to this one>>64647264instead of this >>64647210
>>64647488In germany is worse than here, I have never been to the UK but the shit you read about london and other large cities over there does not make it seem any better.
>>64647471Sure and due legal process and a letter telling them to get the fuck out and no social security or health care. When they abscond from immigration centres that's it, they are cut off from ANY social welfare for life. They have no money, can't speak the local language, have nothing but the clothes on their backs, are illiterate and vanish into being exploited underground as slaves by their own expatriates living in hellish conditions and they die like flies. There never was anything for them in Europe. They are not asylum seekers they are unwanted economic migrants and both the EU and national governments are at this point hostile to their claims fully endorsed by public sentiment. They are fools who allowed themselves to be co-opted as useful idiots into the Russian mass immigration hybrid warfare programme and deserve no sympathy. If you put yourself in a rubber dingy and drown that's your fucking problem,.
>>64647463>after entering the country illegally.Why are we even talking about this ?It's hard to begrudge a State for not giving social benefits to somebody that broke the law.
>>64647505The mayor of London is a muslim, they're clearly integrating if they're participating in the politics enough to become politicians.
>>64647480>Turks have been here for a while and they have not made an effort to integrateTurks in Germany at least were invited and legal workers with work to go to in post WW2 Germany. Bad analogy. Even now most Turks in Germany are ghettoised and stuck driving taxis or serving kebabs at best. That's very little to do with the waves of third wordless who entered as part of Russian hybrid warfare mass immigration in the last decade and as it accelerated since the Ukraine invasion.
>>64647507They only get minimal support while their claims are being processed. None at all after they get the letter telling them they have to leave. In most nations they are not even allowed work legally.
>>64646576quant here; indices are hopelessly manipulated, and since there are many more countries than the US, usually in an anti-US way.in the case of social mobility, the number you see is a mix of factors including inherited wealth, parental income comparisons, education, and the big kicker, various adjustments for "income inequality", which is injected in most European-based indicesEuropean governments LOVE "income inequality" because it's a very moralistic way to explain away their economic stagnation. let me show you the maths of it:compare a society where out of 10 people, 1 earns $1k, 1 earns $2k, 1 earns 3k ... and the last 1 earns $10kvs2 earns $2k, 7 earns $4k, and 1 earns $8kthe former has great "income inequality", but the average person is better off and overall society is richer.the latter has less inequality, but the average person earns lessthe social mobility index also gives greater weight to employment, but not entrepreneurship opportunity, although owning a small business is one of the best ways to earn extraordinary income.remember that European society is all about flattening inequality, and mobility is about earning more than your peers. they're fundamentally oppositional, so if the results appear to point the same direction, something is fishyor in 4chan parlance: the crabs do not like to see individual crabs get out of the bucket>>64646665Europe, unlike America, has higher taxes in general and much higher VAT, a consumption tax which basically eats at least 10% of your paycheck more than Americans pay, and its economy is mostly controlled by the governmentstudies show America has the highest number of first-time millionaires who did not inherit their wealthcompare the 20 largest listed corporations of any European country against the 20 largest listed corporations in the USAnote down to what extent they are privately or government-owned, and when they were incorporatedtell me what the results say about income mobility
>>64647448>Europe right now leaves people to die homeless.There are an estimated 1,3 millions homeless people in the European Union. That's 0,3% of the population and we got tons of associations, both private and state-sponsored, that are working at providing shelters, médical assistance, administrative help and relocation to subsidized homes. Around 10% of homes are rented at à subsidized price in Europe. That's close to 15 millions homes.
>>64647525Which is a problem why ?Still not getting why it's a problem or even an obstacle to the creation of a European army.
>>64647516Yes I know your a delusional fuck up high on maga kremlin propaganda encouraging third world immigration to Europe supporting Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare. It's not realityhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rhS04QVQL4kThese people don't get ANY social security or 'free healthcare' they win the right to die in poverty and squalor, even in the UK. That's the fools reward for listening to Russian whispers about immigrating to Europe as part of mass immigration hybrid warfare.
>>64647546why don't the Border Forces of the European countries prevent them from coming in, or deport them?are they physically unable to?
>>64647543There is no obstacle to the creation of a European military, it is a project that was already in a trial stage.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EU_battlegroupThe main reason it did not progress is that NATO was seen as a superior alternative. Given US leadership being effectively compromised by Russia, that is over.
>>64647546>MAGA>Encouraging 3rd world immigrationWat
>>64647319Liberalism will need to get rid of the third worlders if it wants to survive. If not the people will flock to russian puppets who promise to throw out the browns (already happening) or just as bad, the immigrants will cause such massive problems over time it kills the liberal state.>>64647345Yes it is democratic and guess what most people even ones who vote for moderate left wing parties want to get rid of third worlders.>>64647516By now you are either trolling or insane.Marsh is this you?
>>64647546>your a delusional fuck up high on maga kremlin propaganda encouraging third world immigration to Europe supporting Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare....but MAGA current line is to scream at Europe to stop immigration because they are "destroying their civilization" or something.As for Russia, they are barely better at hiding that same disgust for tolerance.Also, it's not like we got a choice : without immigration, Europe is losing 1,2 millions people a year.
>>64647564>Liberalism will need to get rid of the third worlders if it wants to survive.Many of them are now citizens, stepping on their rights and freedoms is incompatible with a liberal state. >guess what most people even ones who vote for moderate left wing parties want to get rid of third worlders.Maybe they want to slow down immigration or reform it but immigration obviously isn't at the top of their list of concerns.
>>64647552>why don't the Border Forces of the European countries prevent them from coming in, or deport them?>are they physically unable to?The Russians and Belarussian were shunting them over them over the borders of Finland, Poland and running the networks of small boat migrants over the med (and the Libyan crossings). The EU and the national governments closed and in the case of Poland are now fortifying the borders against themhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsqcWAPhwSkThere is a separate problem with them flying in using fake visas and documents supported by Russian orchestrated networks.
>>64647576So why don't the Europeans just deport them when they arrive?
>>64647564>Liberalism>>64647364>>>64647319>What you know about 'liberalism' could be written on a postage stamp and lost to mankind without it troubling humanity. If you think the classical liberalism that gives us democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, separation of powers and recognition of the legal rights of individuals founded on great European thinkers ranging from Mill to Hobbs to Locke to Rousseau, Voltaire to Bentham is the issue instead of the very kremlin orientated Kremlin Marxists who were at the heart of agitation for everything from decriminalising homosexuality, to no fault divorce, third wave feminism, transvestite advocacy, positive discrimination, ultra secularism, abortion advocacy etc etc You are completely blind.>Europe's core values are Christianity and Classical liberalism.>If you think that these illiterate, non native language speaking dregs hiding in free hostels have a great future in Europe you have never lived in Europe, know nothing about Europe and are parroting Russian pro immigration propaganda directed at the third world to incite mass immigration as hybrid warfare, There is absolutely zero chance of success or comfortable survival for any of them on the margins of society in the bottom ten percent of income, with no property or land or money and the vast majority of citizens utterly hostile to them in a climate and culture utterly alien to them. They have a snowballs chance in Hell of not dying in poverty. They should never have allowed themselves to be used by the Russians as part of the Russian hybrid warfare mass immigration programme and many will ultimately die on the streets. That is the price of stupidity and being a useful idiot.
>>64647583Because they have their claims processed as part of UN treaty obligations. There was massive dislocation of Europeans during WW2 and the mechanisms are a legacy of that. Further nations such as India are actively uncooperative when it comes to the return of their citizens. In many cases they destroy their identity papers,.
>>64647594>they have their claims processed as part of UN treaty obligationsso the governments are sheltering illegal immigrants, gotcha.
>>64647552>why don't the Border Forces of the European countries prevent them from coming in, or deport them?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqH7vrZf98o
>>64647574Even if they are citizens, it is a do or die situation and theres many ways to make them leave besides doing it at gunpoint.
>>64647603>39 idiots died>out of nearly a thousand boat people arriving in England every daywhoa
>>64647604Sure but there's not a lot of incentive to leave. Even the poorest in Europe live better than the upper middle class in most of the world.
>>64647601Nice Russian propaganda you have there. It's the EU and national governments that closed the borders with Russia and Belarus meanwhile>>64647576https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsqcWAPhwSkhttps://commission.europa.eu/news-and-media/news/commission-proposes-measures-strengthen-border-security-and-counter-hybrid-threats-2024-12-11_enIdentify thechallenges at the EU's external land borders with Russia and Belarus and the threat to EU security. The European Commission will support EU countries to prevent Russia and Belarus from using European principles and values, including the right to asylum, against the EU. Strengthen theEU policy response and operational support. Several EU measures against the weaponisation of migrants in Finland, Latvia, Lithuania and Poland have already been put in place. To further enhance border surveillance at the borders with Russia and Belarus, the EUis now makingavailable €170 million to support upgrading electronic surveillance equipment, improving telecommunication networks, deploying mobile detection equipment or countering drone intrusions. Set thelegal context. EU countries are legally obliged to protect the EU’s external borders, while respecting fundamental rights and the principle ofnon-refoulement (guarantee that no one should be returned to a country where they would face torture, cruel, inhuman, or degrading treatment). In the face of the current hybrid threat, and in line with EU Treaties, EU countries may adopt national measures which may affect fundamental rights, such as the right to asylum. Such measures have to be exceptional, temporary, proportionate and for clearly defined cases. Increase cooperation with the EU and other EU countries. The affected EU countries are invited to cooperate closely with the EU and other EU countries to ensure consistency and effectiveness of any related action.
>>64647609Did you deliberately miss the point that that is an example of how people smugglers operate?
>>64647618Believe me even within the confines of the constitutions of most european nations you can make it a hell of a lot worse for them, as long as the will is there, wich again will have to be their or liberals face the danger of losing to russian puppets that will absolutely do it if they do not.
>>64647618>Sure but there's not a lot of incentive to leave. Even the poorest in Europe live better than the upper middle class in most of the world.Is that what you tell the third world Ivan? There is nothing for illegal third world illiterates in Europe except grinding poverty outside any social security net.
>>64647623you mean there AREN'T millions of migrants going around Europe raping and looting?>>64647627did you deliberately miss the point about the boats and the governments' ludicrous inability to deport criminals?
>>64647594Very good explanation, anon.It's indeed mostly a problem of wishing to abide by our laws and the ideals of à transparent, objective and fair Justice.This means a slow justice, which isn't a big problem for most crimes but become a problem when you got to process hundreds of thousands of people.
>>64647634>liberals>>64647364>What you know about 'liberalism' could be written on a postage stamp and lost to mankind without it troubling humanity. If you think the classical liberalism that gives us democracy, freedom of speech, rule of law, separation of powers and recognition of the legal rights of individuals founded on great European thinkers ranging from Mill to Hobbs to Locke to Rousseau, Voltaire to Bentham is the issue instead of the very kremlin orientated Kremlin Marxists who were at the heart of agitation for everything from decriminalising homosexuality, to no fault divorce, third wave feminism, transvestite advocacy, positive discrimination, ultra secularism, abortion advocacy etc etc You are completely blind.>Europe's core values are Christianity and Classical liberalism.>If you think that these illiterate, non native language speaking dregs hiding in free hostels have a great future in Europe you have never lived in Europe, know nothing about Europe and are parroting Russian pro immigration propaganda directed at the third world to incite mass immigration as hybrid warfare, There is absolutely zero chance of success or comfortable survival for any of them on the margins of society in the bottom ten percent of income, with no property or land or money and the vast majority of citizens utterly hostile to them in a climate and culture utterly alien to them. They have a snowballs chance in Hell of not dying in poverty. They should never have allowed themselves to be used by the Russians as part of the Russian hybrid warfare mass immigration programme and many will ultimately die on the streets. That is the price of stupidity and being a useful idiot.
>>64647636>you mean there AREN'T millions of migrants going around Europe raping and looting?There really aren't.Not the raping and looting at least.We would have complains by the millions if it were the case.But sure, in a population of a few dozens of millions, you got criminals.
>>64647650but there HAVE been thousands more complaints than beforeand who are all those people in the picture I posted?
>>64647650Its does not matter if they're all heart surgeons, they're not your people and your race and that's all that matters
>>64647638The whole point of Russian Hybrid warfare mass immigration is to try and destabilise Europe.>>64646930>>Except all the most anti-immigration parties also end up being the most pro-Russian>There are several objectives of Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare>1)Profit. They orchestrate not just propagandising immigration to Europe but the majority of fraudulent visa application networks and fund themselves from fees paid by third world idiots>2)Destabilisations via messaging that it is the EUs fault that Russia is conducting mass immigration amplification supporting anti EU messaging>3)Positioning pro Moscow quislings to soak up anti EU anti immigrant voters>4)Inciting mass protests, riots causing distraction events.>5)Inciting terrorist attacks both by radicalised immigrants and posing as anti immigrant activists>6)Drain resources that should be available for Ukrainian refugees, hamper asylum resources for them and create hostility towards them lumped in with third world immigrants>The aim is to cause chaos and misery in EU states, promote their quislings and destabilise Europe, promote anti EU sentiment by blaming the issue on the EU etc. It hardly needs to be said that kremlin does not give a fuck about these third world useful idiots or what happens to them afterwards or think they have any prospects in Europe you are a fool.>The quickest way to drastically reduce immigration from outside Europe is the complete destruction of the FSB state and the most immediate path to that is a complete Ukrainian victory.,>>64646947>>64646954>>64646962
>>64647376I don't share your optimism, the Russians themselves have been reduced to three groups - bloodthirsty psychopaths, spineless cowards, and masochistic serfs. There is no movement for change, be it positive or negative.
>>64647635>except grinding povertyScandinavian PRISON has a comfy apartment room with TVs, minibars, and even music studios. That's not grinding poverty, that's fucking utopia
>>64647670This guy gets it.
>>64647679The KGB Russia and is entirely responsible for both mass immigration into Europe as hybrid warfare, as well as the policy of destroying the EU and NATO and rebuilding the USSR all of which are leated.
>>64647787>related.Rather than accept that the USSR collapsed due to the dysfunction inherent in Marxist Leninism and it's dystopian authoritarianism and command economics, the KGB blames the collapse of the USSR on three entities, The USA, western Europe and the UK (the EU and UK) and NATO. The EU prevents the isolating and picking off one by one of places like Latvia, Estonia and Lithuania as well as acting as a unified economic block. NATO is perceived as the past and future enemy of the USSR and it's re-establishment along with the EU. Therefore >>64647787>mass immigration into Europe as hybrid warfareAnd invading Ukraine to facilitate the union of Belarus, Russia and Ukraine into the new USSR, which the entirety of the KGB has been dedicated too since it's dissolution and the very reason they ceased governance of Russia and Belarus.
By the way, the importation of 150,000 Pakistanis into Belarus and the massive intake of Indian migrants into Russia is to have them on hand to shove into Europe when the opportunity arises.https://www.dw.com/en/can-pakistanis-find-their-european-dream-in-belarus/a-74132880After meeting with Sharif, Belarusian leader Lukashenko told the press that Pakistan will be sending over "100,000, maybe 125,000 or 150,000 specialists."In recent years, Poland and other EU nations have repeatedly accused Minsk of sending migrants across the border to destabilize the bloc and using them as a tool in what the West describes as "hybrid warfare" by Russia and Belarus."It's a sad reality that some individuals may try to use this as a stepping stone to other destinations in Europe," says international affairs expert Azeem Khalid."And I think this will be another reason why Pakistani youth will eagerly accept the opportunity to work in Belarus. Therefore, it's crucial for both Belarus and Pakistani authorities to implement a well-structured process. They should ensure that those selected are genuinely looking for legitimate work opportunities, thus minimizing any misuse of the program."So far, no such guarantees have been made public. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcfhjs-drv0
>>64647808>ceasedseized
Thankfully, the baltic states are already mining everything, and Poland will soon follow if not doing it already. Those immigrants border crossings are bound to get interesting.
>>64647666And who is supposed to be 'my people'? There's no difference in any way that matters between a Frenchman, a German, a Ukrainian, or a Turk. We're all Europeans in the end.
Wait a sec, if mass immigration into Europe is Russia’s fault, why was the EU allowing it and even forcing quotas about how many to accept? Seems like an astroturfed narrative.
>>64648271Because the immigration itself isn't bad, it's the reaction it gets from the right-wing elements of Europe that ultimately harms Europe.
>>64648281It is a huge fucking problem, they leech of wellfare, they commit all kinds of crimes especially a shitload of violent crime, they openly hate westerm society and sometimes they commit literal terrorism. The call to finally do something is justified. Do you even live in europe?
>>64648421>they leech of wellfareEveryone who uses welfare 'leeches' off of it, that's how welfare works.>they commit all kinds of crimesAnd yet Europe continues to be the safest region in the world by far.>they openly hate western societyCoincidentally, so do the right-wing Russian puppets that call for them to be removed who hate the liberal values of western society and want to be an authoritarian shithole state like Russia
>>64648436I give up, you got a good ammount of replies out of me, I highly doubt you live in europe and If you really do then you must be either insanely sheltered or straight up autistic to not see the problem.
>>64648446You're falling for Russian ragebait news cycle. Statistically Europe is doing very great, look at the actual crime rates and there is no 'crime wave', the economy's doing well, QoL is rising, and if you just turn off the news and walk around there's nothing much different about the country.
>>64648457You have not lived around them, I do.
>>64648464I've lived around them as well. They're fine, you just gotta talk to them.
>>64648281>Because the immigration itself isn't badit's a weapon and the russians are using it, retard. EU will kick the shitskins out or it will have a huge problem in 10-20 years.
>>64648547It's a weapon solely because it empowers the right-wing. The Russians wouldn't be propping up the cure to their own weapon if the immigration itself was bad.
>>64647483The fun starts when the panzers encircle Moscow.
>>64644182fuck the EU
>>64648666>t. increasingly nervous Russian/American/Chinaman
>>64648661They already got rekt in Kursk, a long way from Moscow
>>64644182>england>iceland>switzerland>norway>balkans?>turkey..?>ukraine??>BELARUS LOL
>>64648757It's reasonable to assume the EU will expand after Russia falls
>>64648759Switzerland I hope not ever, Ukraine sure, Belarus??
>>64648271In the early 2000s european boomer bureaucrats thought that immigration was a cheap and effective way to replenish their aging populations, thus increasing tax revenue. What they didn't consider is the fact that immigrants don't want to integrate and refuse to behave in a civil manner, that also includes paying taxes.
>>64648994AgainYou are a liar>>64647670>>>Except all the most anti-immigration parties also end up being the most pro-Russian>>There are several objectives of Russian mass immigration as hybrid warfare>>1)Profit. They orchestrate not just propagandising immigration to Europe but the majority of fraudulent visa application networks and fund themselves from fees paid by third world idiots>>2)Destabilisations via messaging that it is the EUs fault that Russia is conducting mass immigration amplification supporting anti EU messaging>>3)Positioning pro Moscow quislings to soak up anti EU anti immigrant voters>>4)Inciting mass protests, riots causing distraction events.>>5)Inciting terrorist attacks both by radicalised immigrants and posing as anti immigrant activists>>6)Drain resources that should be available for Ukrainian refugees, hamper asylum resources for them and create hostility towards them lumped in with third world immigrants>>The aim is to cause chaos and misery in EU states, promote their quislings and destabilise Europe, promote anti EU sentiment by blaming the issue on the EU etc. It hardly needs to be said that kremlin does not give a fuck about these third world useful idiots or what happens to them afterwards or think they have any prospects in Europe you are a fool.>>The quickest way to drastically reduce immigration from outside Europe is the complete destruction of the FSB state and the most immediate path to that is a complete Ukrainian victory.,>>>64646947 (You)>>>64646954 (You)>>>64646962 (You)
>>64648666Fuck you too enemy.
>>64645852>Not sure what Austria's problem is : they are basically Germans.AFAIK Austria is second home of many Russian oligarchs. Lots of real estate is owned by Russians in Austria and they like to pretend they are """neutral""".
>>64644182There won't be much left to crush18.12.2025Tanks — 11432 (+5)Armored fighting vehicle — 23758Artillery systems — 35232 (+27)MLRS — 1573 (+2)Anti-aircraft warfare — 1263 (+1)Planes — 432Helicopters — 347UAV — 91716 (+330)Cruise missiles — 4073Ships (boats) — 28Submarines — 2Cars and cisterns — 70480 (+119)Special equipment — 4027Military personnel — aprx. 1193300 people (+950)
>>64649019All of it can be seized at will if they become formal enemy aliens and get interned
>>64648799I can see Belarus joining.it's a post soviet dictatorship now but all of the eastern European countries used to be soviet dictatorships.if/when russia losses the war or collapses economically from the strain it's placed on them there is a decent change he get's ousted.then it would be a matter of reforming and joining.I could also see Saint-Petersburg and the surrounding oblasts flipping al tough that is a lot less likely. as it would require a general break up of sorts in russia. if that where to happen then those regions are basically side-lined economically and the only way to revive their economy would be to try and join the EU for market access and EU development funds
>>64649019>hey like to pretend they are """neutral""".There is no neural. They can fuck off back to Russia or go to an internment camp
>>64644195>cesar>trusting dog-shit slow French productionUse the Swedish archer instead.
>>64649022It will never happen because of said neutrality. Dates back when they signed the Austrian state treaty. >>64649027Correct.
>>64649023Well post soviet countries usually are extremely against communism, so I don't see why they would want to join the European People's Union of Democratic Socialist Republics if they reformed
>>64649041because only people who've drunk the cool aid actually believe it's the European People's Union of Democratic Socialist Republicsnow don't get me wrong plenty I don't like about it, but it's not a commy authoritarian state like the former soviet union
>>64649049Sure it's not like China or the USSR yet but it's absolutely headed there. They are literally trying to outlaw privacy, add digital ID, they already have China style facial recognition cameras everywhere, and there's plenty of cases of people in England and Germany getting raided by the cops for internet posts. Some guy got raided by the German police because he said on Twitter that "politicians don't pay enough taxes."
>>64644195>Oh who am I kidding, it would become a shitty 416.I really don't get the hate for a rifle that seems to be good enough to be adopted by multiple different military forces:Is it like MultiCam where it just get hated on by autists because it's been adopted so much because it's good enough?
>>64646345>There is an emerging consensus that the migrant crisis is due to Russia.So you guys are gearing up to start expelling them since it was a zigger plot to harm your counties? Surely you at least stopped letting them in since you know Russia is behind it?
>>64649055>UK and Germany = EUannon those are national level laws not Eu regulations translated into national law or directives that's the bongs and the krauts having stupid laws that they have had from before they joined/kept after they've leftas for privacy, the EU has probably the best privacy laws on the books. the one proposal to curtail some of that is being fought and similar laws have already been passed in the US. if your baseline for going heading towards china and the soviet union isn't being perfect then the whole world is heading there
>>64649081>the EU has probably the best privacy laws on the booksnigga almost all EU members except like Poland, Netherlands and idfk voted yes on the chat control laws and they want to force you to dox yourself just to use google search and tie everything to your digital ID which would've initially been mandatory but then they walked back on that (until they will make it mandatory again in a few years after it's been implemented). They USED TO have strong privacy laws.
>>64649094>bitch about a law that didn't get passed>because it will get passed next time>pinkie promise just ignore how the NSA and chinks are scraping the entire internet. or how the corpos are doing the same. or do you think that amazon can't link the targeted advertisement profile of you to your IRL identity even if you don't have any amazon or amazon affiliated accounts?no, it's the law that didn't get passed that' the real danger to your privacyagain you demand perfection from the EU for it not to be an authoritarian hell hole but ignore that all the other major powers (and most of the other countries) are much worse off.a Belarusian that's lived in a surveillance state and has to chose between being russias bitch boy again or an imperfect Eu will go for the EU.it not being up to your perfectionist standards doesn't make them joining in the event they get rid of Lukashenko any less likely.
>>64649119*a law that didn't get passed YETthe difference between the government and the corporations tracking me is that the government will take away everything I have and arrest me if they declare that I did something wrong whereas the corpos will just make money
>>64649132What makes you think corporations don't sell/give your tracker cookie and profile info to governments anon?
>>64649132>the difference between the government and the corporations tracking me is that the government will take away everything I haveannon if the corpo had even half a thing to say about it they'd so the same but you are gain ignoring that other states are already doing everything you accuse the EU of (and it's not even the EU as such but the member states pushing it).or how going back to the start of this discussion, it's not going to stop the Belarussians from trying to join the EU.
>>64649067those fences along the Russian border aren't there for show
>>64649041post soviet countries also tend to be very enthusiastic about joining the EUUkraine is fighting a war for the privilege
>>64644182>It's safe to say they'd be the new military superpower,maybe like 10th place
>>64645744I hear there were F16s providing CAS for the recent Ukrainian recapture of Kupiansk, so it looks like the old birds are not just on drone duty anymore
>>64649179I don't even want to make fun of you anymore this just fucking sad.
>>64645843Nein.The Imperial model is obsolete and will be surpassed by trans national organisations such as the EUCaliphates are theocratic by definition and thus doomed to failure on a structural level
>>64649190A retard making fun of people is going to be ignored anyway, so don’t hurt yourself trying to do so.
>>64646373just go move to Saudi Arabia if you want Sharia that much
>china just made a prototype EUV machine after ASML said it was impossiblethe entire dutch economy is going to get raped within the next 5 years
>>64649197>A retard making fun of people is going to be ignored anywayand yet you still responded...
>>64649183behind who?
>>64649209>china claimsthe ducth economy is it's ports
>>64649209/p/fag here. Chinks can barely make lenses worth a shit, and I guarantee you they don't have their Zeiss, therefore I'm already laughing at their journalist-stage-EUV-cardbox-machine they'll proudly show for photoshoots soon.
>>64649332have you been living under a rock
>>64645481i weep knowing how much hungary could have progressed if they didnt have orban. imagine growth akin to polandbalaton is also kino, was there this summer
if the jews are right about one thing it's killing the germans to a man
