If money was no object what would be the best assault rifle ever?
muh dik
ANOTHER Goddamn M4 derivative.I have intermediate cartridge fatigue.
>>64644533L85
LMT AR if it actually had good QC
>>64644533OICW
>>646445336.5 caseless hyperburst bullpup with a piezoelectric ignition electronically primed trigger and a 12" bayonet.
>>64644533It's the SCAR
>>64644553>8 fucking kilos
>>64644533Scar 17
>>64644533T91
>>64644561I have no idea what a kilo is, therefore it can't hurt me
>>64644533FAL, G3, or the M77. Things in .308 pretty much.
Galil ACE
>>64644574That's a battle rifle you retard
>>64644533FAMAS
>>64644586Oh yeah, retard? Then why is the FAL designated the StG 58 in Austrian service and is called an assault rifle by the arms museum in Herstal?
>>64644561Wow, that's almost as heavy as an M7 with an extra magazine.
>>64644586Can you assault someone with it?
>>64644533My dick
>>64644609I assaulted your mother with my dick
>>64644609behold, an assault rifle
>>64644618Jokes on you, that's an assault weapon in my state
>>64644609Ass (alt.)
>>64644628which feature did California ban?
>>64644533HK G11, but in RAL8000.
>>64644634The bump stock, assault clip, and short concealable assault barrel
Ar15 already takes that spot and will remain at that spot until the end of kinetic projectiles; or at least until Gauss Rifles become Viable.Simple robust design, scales well, endless customization and ammo types for specific needs. pretty much every gunsmith can work on one.
>>64644666its so good that it required decades of refinement
>>64644671its good BECAUSE of that refinement you fucking retard. AK is still shit after even more "refinement"
>>64644675Wrong, the AKs problem is that it hasn't been refined. Even with all the railed dust covers and free float handguards, they're still tethered to the same lower receiver from the 60s; which is the millstone that holds back every modernization attempt.
>>64644690this guy gets it. it like if every AR is like picrel, just the same 60 year old design with modern optics and rails tacked on.
>>64644653Yeah it is my preferred cc.
>>64644690the ar180 is a superior piston system to the AK.
>>64644533A gas piston, integrally suppressed 7x42mm round stuffed into a 5.56NATO cartridge case with an 18 inch barrel and short stroke gas piston.
>>64644711pardon the stroke
>>64644708Fun fact: I said that I cc my dick. When they asked about it it, I said it was longer, stiffer, and harder hitting than a Mosin, so the state used nuggets as the benchmark for bans.
>>64644710>used by zero belt fed MG'sHmmmmmmmm
>>64644728>machinegunsthose are for Thirdies. White Nations use SAW's and Air Superiority
>>64644718I open carry mine.
>>64644586“Battle rifle” is a retarded boomer hypebeast term invented in the 80s. The G3, FAL, and M14 are assault rifles.
>>64644586a "battle rifle" is just an Assault Rifle with a full sized caliber
>>64644710>>64644728Assault Rifles=short stroke piston mo bettahMGs=recoil operated or long stroke piston mo bettah
>>64644533Howa type 64
>>64644546my service rifle is LMT Rahe for 5 years and no problems. But i heard of some polymer cracking. Nevertheless I only experienced problems in sandy enviroments
>>64644533if it wasnt the best why would the us army spend billions on it
>>64645426Can't argue with that logic
>>64644533VZ58
>>64644533AR-15
>>64644533An Famas
>>64644666if anything, i see the AR15 being the go-to for everything as proof as that being established is more important than being good. it's good enough, simple with no frills or gotchas and 100% american, so americans have pushed it into a sort of default assault rifle status. and at this point nothing can dethrone it because its aftermarket support is so strong. now rest of the western world is following suit because they want to be a part of that cosmos.the US military has tried to replace it like a hundred times by now because of its (admittedly minor) issues, but they always keep going back to the AR15 well because "well this new gun does perform better than the AR15 but then again it's not an AR15". if FN Herstal came out with a gun that fired laser accurately at any range with infinite capacity while weighing almost nothing, the US military procurement guys would still be like "ahh well you know its not american" or "a forward charging handle? there's NO way we can teach our troops to use this" or "looks kinda gay, whys the magazine at the back"it took like 25 years for these gun companies to figure out that they have to make any new gun look and feel exactly like the AR15 in order to get it to actually pass trials, hence why both the HK416 and M7 have AR15 style aesthetics and controls, even if they are very little like the AR15
Surefire/Armwest MGX (MG-10). It’s a ~7 pound constant recoil mag-fed 5.56 machine gun>>64644555But it has to exist.
>>646448957.62 R20L (7.62) is absolute trash. Subpar MoA, production defects etc. 556 is fine with some minor procurement issues.>t.knower
>>64644533
>>64645530>it took like 25 years for these gun companies to figure out that they have to make any new gun look and feel exactly like the AR15 in order to get it to actually pass trialsI do think it's a lot of that, but there's also just simple ergonomics that the AR15 happened to get right. By the time you slap your selector, charging handle, magazine release, bolt catch, etc. somewhere where they're reachable and are hopefully at least slightly ambi/lefty friendly you'll have something that looks an awful lot like an AR-15 anyway, so fuck it might as well just roll with it and give everyone what they want. Do you really gain anything from giving your rifle some fuck-ass special snowflake safety instead of putting it above the grip where everyone expects it to be? The answer is usually "no".
>>64645628yeah i mean i agree. the AR15 design is good and ergonomic, and it's also slim and light. i think a huge part of why people like it is because it just feels good to use.it still makes me lol that they put an extra rear charging handle on the M7 spear just because the retarded grunts couldnt wrap their heads around using a forward charging handle lol
Annihilator 2000
>>64645577>fucking pistol brace>5lbs worth of optic>barrel so short the projectile isn't terminal past 150yards>literally held together by tapeahhhhhhhhhhahahahahahaha
>>64644613Thank you for your service
>>64645678>euroseeth
>>64645542Yep the pistol grip is prone to falling off. I heard some stories about the gas intake flying off too. But 5.56 hasn't failed on me yet
>>64645530Everything returns to AR-15 or AR-18 (with some Kalashnikov thrown in at times)
>>64645902Rifles, as they matured, were eventually going to be solved. All things are crabs. I wonder though if there isn’t another hypothetical configuration of atoms that does not resemble AR pattern guns at all but somehow does something better than those guns. What would it even do better? In which domain is the AR lacking? All I can think of is to incorporate constant recoil and feed the thing from quad stacks, but this doesn’t necessitate a wild departure from the AR15/18. It will still be gas operated, with an 8 lug rotating bolt, pivoting receivers, same manual of arms, etc. The only potentially big departure from ARs on the horizon appears to be CT guns.
>>64644751>it's just x without the primary defining characteristic of x
>>64644533Maybe some kind of rifle built out of more expensive material that offers the same or better durability while being lighter so the average grunt can carry more.
>>64645985>reposition the charging handle for ergonomics and no gas blowback when using a can>do away with the buffer tube arrangement to accommodate a side folding buttstock >fiddle with the ejection angle to eliminate need for deflector>drop-in fire control group>quick-detach barrels like that one Steyr/Haenel submission to the German trials>make it look good and not like a bog standard AR
>>64644533>If money was no object what would be the best assault rifle ever?We have known the answer to that question since 1957.
>>64644533If I were designing a rifle for SF right now, money no object, I'd probably go for a downward-ejecting bullpup in 5.45/5.56 action size, maybe chambered in something like 6 ARC with option for .300 BLACKED. The mags should be quad-stack double-feed, either rock&lock or with very short magwell to minimize the 4-to-2 feed tower. The action would be rotating bolt actuated by a short-stroke gas piston, aluminum receiver with replaceable steel rails inside for the bolt to ride on. AR-style ambi fire control, but with ambi side charging handles on the receiver body, a-la MDR\WLVRN. Modular wrt. barrel length\profile, but not field-swappable to avoid compromising zero retention (again, looking at MDR growing pains). Barrel would come with its own specific gas block with 4-5 positions (to allow for can\flow-through can\no can and various spice levels of ammo). Barrel set should include:- PDW-style shawty barely peeking out of the receiver, to be used with can and short VFG-integrated handguard (MDR Micron\P90 style close hand grip), barrel around 11-12" probably;- carbine barrel, minimum effective length for the given cartridge (that's around 16" for 6 ARC), medium profile, ships with flash hider and 3-slot MLOK handguard;- 20" heavy fluted SPR\DMR barrel with accompanying 5-slot handguard (that can be used with the shorter barrel and a can);- (maybe?) 20" heavy SAW barrel with venturi-effect cooling shroud similar to Lewis MG or PKP Pecheneg, and its own handguard with built-in bipod.I think that should cover an SF element's primary arms needs pretty thoroughly, leaving out only handguns and the obligatory high-caliber boltie for those really EXTRA shots.
>>64644533>A Salt RifleHK416A3 or LMT MARSL
>>64644533The G11
>>64645853i've had two instances with the gas intake on the 5.56, one time the little release button flew off and the second time the gas piston cover flew off
For me it's the holosun aro evo spr with bdc drops specifically made for cheap 55gr ammo that I can afford.
>>64644533knights armament stoner rifle
>>64645442If it weren't so damn ugly I would agree
>>64644745Thank you.All select fire rifles are automatic rifles.the 'assault' / 'battle' (<--nonsense retronym) supposed "distinction" is for videogamelarpairsofter midwitsEven 'assault rifle' that gained wide usage during 1950s-1980s across military services is lacking, ahistoric and childish.They are automatic rifles.
>>64645577Dainty hands
>>64644597Because they don't know what they're talking about and neither do you, BRfag. You make this argument every time and the answer is the same and very simple: they're WRONG, and so are YOU. It uses 7.62x51mm, it's a battle rifle. Full stop. All arguments to the contrary are fucking wrong no matter who says it.
>>64646721Intermediate round vs full rifle round is a distinction useful enough to coin different words for the guns using them.
>>64644533It's just going to be the AK again.
>>64644597The STG 58 nomenclature comes from a time when assault rifle was nebulously defined. There's a reason we don't use other anachronisms from the era like burp gun. Furthermore a Sturmgewehr is different from an assault rifle in both theory and application
>>64646114>a bullpupped ar18 with all the bells and whistlesWhy a quad stack bullpup? It’s nice on paper but would the wide mag not make the gun a bitch to hold? I imagine the front right corner of the mag digging into the inside of my wrist.>short magwell for minimum 4-to-2 transitionOr just go full retard with a full width magwell like desert tech. They have the right idea.You know those surefire 60 round quad stacks (picrel)? If the 4-to-2 transition was minimized like the desert tech, their capacity would be 75(!!!) rounds. Pair it up with a low cyclic rate constant recoil action and this gives something like 7 or 8 seconds of continuous, useful full auto before the mag runs dry. Boom, belt-fed LMG obsolete.>6ARC or 300 blackoutAny sub-80kpsi chambering for a hypothetical new gun is a non-starter. We’re finally out of 60kpsi purgatory, so let’s make the most of it. Crank that bitch up. A 1600ft*lb 5.56 is now possible, and with a long VLD, its external ballistics could surpass that of the 6ARC.
>>64646910I think that’s the anon from the other thread who was arguing semantics with thousand word dissertations. He doesn’t understand what words are for.
>>64646031this shit is so retarded. we design something like this every 20 years and then it gets scrapped because man-portable explosives are annoyingly expensive and finnicky
>>64644533The SVD rifle, the greatest rifle ever made
>>64647378>would the wide mag not make the gun a bitch to hold?That depends entirely on the distance between magwell and grip. This should be balanced with length of pull and FCG complexity.>full width magwell like desert techSure, why not? Their QMAG is still double-feed, though, but with extreme final feed angle. They fit 53 rounds in the footprint of 2 PMAGs essentially.>constant recoil actionI imagine that would be hard to fit into a bullpup, and the SAW is an ancillary role at best to make concessions like that. Would be smooth, though.>Crank that bitch upIf we're designing a round from the ground up as well, again, sure, why not go as spicy as cartridge price target allows. Barrel wear seems to become a problem, though, as evident in SPEAR, but that might just be SIG dropping the ball.>>64647393Man-portable explosives are the least problematic part of the concept. H&K had working 30mm prog-det grenades 20 years ago, but they were prohibitively expensive with the mil-spec electronics back then.
>>64644572Based ignoramus.
>>64644533>If money was no object what would be the best assault rifle ever?Semi automatic 270 win AUG
>>64647410>The SVD rifle, the greatest rifle ever madeHave you ever fired one? Its mediocre. Looks good, shoots less well than most cheap deer rifles.
>>64645902At least the AR-18's system is a flexible enough design to be used in all sorts of different rifles. The AR-15 will ALWAYS look like a fucking AR-15.
>>64645678>mean girls
>>64647920>The AR-15 will ALWAYS look like a fucking AR-15.>doubt>google "exotic ar15">img results show shit>keep scolling thru shitAR15 is AR15.
>>64646910>>64647384nobody gives a fuck about your faggot videogamelarpstreamairsofter distinctions
>>64647004>Sturmgewehr is different from an assault rifle in both theory and applicationHow? Moreover, while I have no issue with the class of "battle rifles" existing it's ten kinds of retarded to have the Garand and the FAL in the same category despite them having nothing in common besides being autoloading rifles, which at that point the Chauchat is a battle rifle too by that retarded logic. There really ought to be a further distinction to break up the postwar, select fire, detachable box magazine fed rifles from the wartime, semiautomatic, fixed mag rifles
>>64644533The AR-15 remains supreme.
>>64646469Was it the one of the first rifles that were delivered? I got mine in the latter part of 2020 and it was superb. No rattling or nothing.
>>64648206NTA, but the term "battle rifle" already lumps the FAL and the M14 into the same catagory despite the latter being a failed attempt to make an improved Garand with select fire and a detachable magazine. If the M14 is a battle rifle, and semi-automatic FALs are battle rifles, then the Garand should be too, unless you subscribe to the view that putting springs in the ammo filled brick that you shove into the gun (i.e. mag vs clip) is a technological leap that warrants a new classification.As for the Chauchat, the difference between weapons like that and the Garand, M14, FAL etc is that the latter are designed to be issued to infantry as their service weapon. If it is designed to go primarily to specialized elements of infantry units in limited quantities, then it isn't a service weapon and thus isn't a battle rifle. So the Chauchat, BAR, or the DP27 aren't because all of those are specialized weapons issued to soldiers in limited quantity to support a much larger number of infantry using other weapons, but the SVT40 and Garand are because those are both intended to be autoloading service weapons in full power rifle cartridges.If you want a term to distinguish interwar and WW2 era designs from post-war designs, I'd suggest using the term "proto-battle rifle". Similarly, the StG44 could be reasonably described as a proto-assault rifle, having traits that we would commonly attribute to assault rifles, but having been developed before the concept was well established.
>>64646656Take it back!
>>64650363>unless you subscribe to the view that putting springs in the ammo filled brick that you shove into the gun (i.e. mag vs clip) is a technological leap that warrants a new classification.The does massively change the ergonomics and effective ROF of a gun so yes, I would consider a gun that was originally designed with a fixed magazine that was later redesigned with a detachable one to be two separate guns. Also I reject the notion that the StG is a proto-assault rifle, it simply is the first and was used as an assault rifle (ie, interchangeably as an infantry rifle and a smg in the same category). Plus both names sound lame, autorifle and machine carbine (contemporary terms for the Garand and StG respectively) sound way cooler and therefore should be used instead. Before you get mad at me, ask yourself why did they pick the term "battle rifle" in the 80s if not because it sounded cool?
>>64644533>best assault rifle ever?unarmored threats?45 acp suppressed Vectors with eotech, magnifier, and peq 15's were unreal in serviceWould have preferred 10mm, but .mil doesn't have the supply chainCould carry 2 mags per pouch, bringing 600 rounds of 45 ACP was OP as fuckAND same mags when we carried Glock 30'slonger engagements?>>64644566>Scar 17but we all bought the ACR adapter blocks and stole all the stocks from the remingtons>>64645426didn't get to use one, but seems kino for armored threats
10.5 inch PSA ar-15 is the best assault rifle ever. It's already figured out, fellas.
>>64650529Unfortunately, "Automatic Rifle" is also a term used for weapons like the BAR and Lewis gun which are both more or less LMGs, along with similar more modern examples such as heavy barrel FAL variants which are pushed into the exact same highly portable light machine gun role.Similarly, Machine Carbine is a British/Commonwealth term for a pistol caliber SMG, so naming all autoloading service rifles the same thing is just silly. Besides, Sturmgewehr 44 literally translates to "assault rifle 44". Suggesting that the weapon which literally gave assault rifles their name is not an assault rifle is just silly.As for why the term "battle rifle" exists, I'm not aware of any definitive origin for the term so I can't speculate on why it got that name, but it continues to be used to this day because it is useful to distinguish full power rifle caliber rifles with heavy ammo and poor handling when firing rapidly (or, heavens forbid, on full auto) from intermediate caliber rifles that have much poorer effective range but that have far lighter ammo and better handling during rapid fire. Having 2-3x the ammunition on each soldier but with half or less of the effective range in ideal conditions is a pretty dramatic difference, and it is nice to have a term that acknowledges that difference.
