Just a friendly reminder that there are new BMP-1(!) hulls being produced in they year 2025.>"In the future, a capacity of 100 vehicles per year is expected."
They can't be that retarded...
Are these for Ukraine or...? They have some Patria AMVs and have appeared to be moving away from soviet kit. I am confoozed.
>still installing the firing ports
>https://www.stvgroup.cz/en/news/stv-machinery-has-begun-manufacturing-bmp-1-combat-vehicle-hulls-in-slovakia>The project included the complete digitisation of the design, the definition of the materials used, and the development of new production documentation and welding fixtures. Compared to the original vehicles, the new hulls will be made of modern armour materials used in the current production of Western-type armoured vehicles....Ok... but why?
>>64645445>>64645621>>64645631>>64645664I have to believe that this a mostly an attempt to keep industry alive and retain skilled labor. Maybe this plant will get a KNDS contract sometime in the near future.
>>64645668I realized as I posted that the Lynx isn't a KNDS product.
>>64645621Elaborate.
>>64645445But why?Holy FUCK was the new captcha designed by a.i. itself?>find the image not like the others>all 3 pics are dots on a horizontal plane
>>64645674What if I say its not like the others?What if I say its not just another one of these dots?Its the pretenderWhat if I say captcha will never surrender?
>>64645664>will be made of modern armour materials used in the current production of Western-type armoured vehiclesDifferent steel grade or what?Also a fun fact, Soviet BMP-1s had many hilarious health hazards:>The lack of wing mirrors was noted. >The fuel tanks embedded in the rear doors were thought to be a hazard.>Firing the 73 mm Grom’s ammunition was found to release potentially toxic nitroglycerin,>while the coaxial 7.62 mm PKT would potentially release mercury>Toxic asbestos was also present in the brake bands, clutch lining, and gaskets.https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/bmp-1a1-ost/
>>64645664Because Soviet aesthetics and NATO technology is a god-tier combination.
>>64645671The first thing a lot of counties did with soviet pancakers was making them taller because the original design was retarded AF, Poland (OT-64 SKOT with the BTR), Serbs, Changs (Type 61, their new IFVs), Ukrainians (BTR-3/4), even Norks. Some ork-obrs of russia modified the crew compartment (armor plates to raise the roof) and make it more ergonomic.
>>64645445so are these supposed to be for export to thirdie countries or something?
>>64645760Also: BMP-1UM Shkval, that is BMP-1 with raised roofhttps://tank-afv.com/modern/Ukraine/BMP-1U-Shkval.php
>>64645760>SerbsDo you mean the Yugoslav BVP-M80(A)?
>>64645788>The successful completion of the prototype led to the acquisition of a new strategic customer from abroad (probably Ukraine) and opened the way to serial production. https://x.com/praisethesteph/status/2001199940282839073
>>64645797Yes, they tried to make something similar but no so flat.Pic rel doesn't need a completely new redesign. It's a BMP with taller hull.
>>64645445>>64645621HONESTLY, what would be so bad about a modernized BMP, aside from the glaring issue of it's shit armour.Just slap on a better engine, unmanned turret and add on armour and it could be a good cheap alternative to sell to turdies and churn out for cheap
>>64645809Cool, I was a bit confused because Yugoslavia(Serbia) never used the BMP. And their BVP is generally considered to be worse than the Soviet counterpart.Also I noticed the installed KPVT in your picture. Mounting a HMG on a BMP-1 hull gives you a decent quasi IFV in my opinion, something between M113 and BMP-2.
>>64645809>>64645797Except these are somehow even more shit than the average BMP.I know a croatian army guy that's working on the new Bradley's and he says that not even god would force him to enter one of these shot boxes after he got a taste of the good stuff
>>64645821The BMP was never a "cheap" vehicle, the T-55 and early MiG-21 were cheaper
>>64645821>aside from the glaring issue of it's shit armour.If you use it as a a bit more armored APC, it's not that bad. Frontal arc is considered immune up to 23mm. And there are many existing appliqué solutions for the side armor.
>>64645740>Firing the 73 mm Grom’s ammunition was found to release potentially toxic nitroglycerinI remember this. We werent allowed to fire live ammunition during training because of this when I was part of a PBV 501 unit in Sweden. (The whole introduction and subsequent resale of our BMP-1s is an incredibly tragic story of money beeing compleatly wasted)
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>>64645725nta, but fuck you, i kek'd
>>64645445I read something about "improved ergonomics", I wonder how that looks like, considering the hull-layout appears to be exactly the same
>>64645885I think it's going to be the same as with the BMP-1A1 Ost(Eastern German bmps converted to Western standarts). Small safety and ergonomic upgrades like heating, the amber-colored protective cover for the periscope mount, designed to prevent the crew from hitting and injuring themselves against the sharp corners of the periscope, anti-slip coating on the exterior, no asbestos in the automotive parts and so on.
>>64645674>filtered by the most basic of IQ testsbest captcha format EVERmods are cooking with napalm!
>>64645445>STVJesus Christ. The BMP was already a death trap, and now they're made by STV?I wouldn't climb into this thing for all the money in the world.(The RPG-7 tubes sold by STV to Ukraine blew the fuck up and disfigured two people, and out of the last batch of STV RPG-7 ammo we received, 9/10 literally did not lock into the tube properly and couldn't be fired.)
>>64645847It really makes an jnteresting read.>https://tanks-encyclopedia.com/pansarbandvagn-501/
>>64645740>while the coaxial 7.62 mm PKT would potentially release mercuryIsn't this just from the trash Sovshit ammo and their primers
>>64645445
>>64645829>I know a croatian army guy that's working on the new Bradley's and he says that not even god would force him to enter oneDoesn't imply>Except these are somehow even more shit than the average BMP.As shrimple as that
This feels retarded, even as a job program
why the fuck are they producing BMP-1s, when they are getting Patria AMVs and fucking CV-90s
>>64645747>Soviet aesthetics and NATO technology is a god-tier combinationGod how I wish
>>64645740
>>64646127Because IRL, the BMP is better that all of them. Even Patria tried to use the BMP-3 turret.
>>64645918>:(
>>64646704Stop drinking on the job dude, I swear to god.
>>64646713Nigger everyone and their dog still sits on tons of 2A28 ammo and it's still being produced by Bulgaria and other countries.
>>64645445Already preparing the factories for when the faggots (Fajko, Kuli, et co) sell us off to Putin, I assume?
>>64646836You have zero fucking clue what you're talking about.
>>64646054Naw, apparently the BVP is plagued by shitty manufacturing quality and horrible optics and such.
>>64645740Also the autoloader liked to try and eat hands.
>>64646678Patria didn't try. UAE asked for it and Patria integrated it.
>>64645847bongs had the same problem with their low pressure guns too, they killed off the scorpion because of it
>>64647389OG-15V says hello.
>>64645445>>64645446>>64645452Dear Lord, FOR WHAT REASON
>>64647645Some people on twitter were speculating about a money laundering scheme.
>>64645445I honestly have a lot of faith in this project and are looking forward to how it'll be modernized.An example is Egypt and Vietnam, they're producing the BMP but are integrating them with modern technologies, while also fixing past issues of the original design. It's also a great way to jump start the industry as a BMP is a relative simple vehicle, so factories won't run into much issues and can consistently produce them without going over budget or needing extremely specialized equipment, machines, and workers to build them. It'll ensure that the factories are constantly running and turning out a profit, while being a stepping stone into more advanced and specialized IFV that's good for the country's needs and environment.The people here are being too pessimistic and not thinking it through.
>>64647692>An example Vietnam, they're producing the BMP but are integrating them with modern technologiesWhat new modern tehnologies?
>>64645445just the hull ? maybe they're going to try some new stuff with it, who knows
>>64647794https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/XCB-01NTA but anon said modern technologies, not NEW modern technologies. basically stuff that make the vietnamese BMP-1 more advanced than the original BMP-1
>>64646709>Stop drinking on the job dude, I swear to god.thats part of the job though
>>64645445The BMP had been very controversial in ukraine for both sides, saying is very crappy. Slovretards
>>64647839Semantics.Sticking a "modern" tehnologies like a LRF and a LWS on a 2A28 Grom ain't gonna make it any more modern.
>>64647947I wonder why.
wat do bmps even do
>>64648144burn their occupants alive
>>64645913Those tubes - can infantry hook up to vehicle air or what are they for?
>>64645760PRC and Norks outright rejected it and all it's successors, they think it is utter crap.
I just don't understand why there are so many people are copying this thing, as a utility vehicle, APC or even IFV a modernized BTR-50 would be a far more useful and capable choice, not least because it actually is amphibious.
>>64648158That is a fume evacuation system compatible with AK-type weapons, Once installed in the firing port, the operator is to clap the sheet steel casing deflector (the AK spits spent brass out with extreme violence) on the top cover before firing. There is an air hose on the deflector, and once the evacuation system - powered by a moderately powerful (164W) MBP-3N suction fan, one per each side of the hull - is turned on, gunpowder fumes will be sucked out and vented off outside via a small outlet on the side of the hull, one on each side.
>>64648205>Its armor is composed of homogeneous, cold rolled, welded steel—it is very thin by modern standards, 13 mm at the front, 10 mm on the sides and top and 7 mm at the rear. While its maximum armor could protect it against small arms fire and small artillery shell fragments, it cannot protect it against .50-caliber machine gun bullets and larger shell fragments. Although its front armor might protect it against 7.62 mm small arms fire, that same fire can sometimes penetrate the sides
>>64648239Obviously it needs up armoring to at least 14.5mm resistance but it is a pretty big beast, a engine upgrade and foam inserts can handle the weight which is what the (Serbs?) did with pic related as a upgrade.The upgraded versions have armor kits that include a covered and expanded rear as well as add on plates, the shape makes it relatively easy. 5mm of steel sheet with some Lexan or Kevlar sandwiched onto the front and sides would bring it to BMP levels, probably with a foam filled space between them for buoyancy. It's problems are balanced by the fact that it really does turn into a passable boat and can carry 20 guys. If you had no other choices which shitbox would you chose: The upgraded BTR-50 or the BMP-1?
>>64647794Ehhh. It has smoke grenade launchers on the front of the turret, and not the rear?
>>64648239How much is that due to shit-quality Soviet metallurgy of the time? I know Russians will sometimes layer ballistic plates over their old slavshit like oversized lamellar to compensate and it apparently works in keeping the bullets out.
>>64647692>>64647794>>64648288Vietnam would be much better off making 323s and other local variants of Nork light armor however if they did that the US and allies would complain and probably stop giving them a free navy.
>>64648309Metallurgy and construction quality both suck but it is also pretty thin. It isn't a bad design besides being thin skinned, it can carry alot of guys and weight which is interesting because in modern terms it has alot of wasted space. Here is one with a twin 37mm turret. My point about it is that if you are going to make a cheap Soviet shitbox chose one that has alot of options, in this case a floating MB-LB with waterjets offers more options and utility than a knock off BMP-1.
>>64648309Their steel was ok after the WWII, their current good armor plates are 1400-1600 MPa (at least they used that for the T-80U, SK-2Sh)
>>64648406The real issue it that it is thin. It can be fixed, as mentioned it has room to be upgraded (add ons, Lexan, Spall liners, Ect) but it will never be more than equivalent to early cold war IFVs which is exactly what a BMP-1 is. The main point is that the chassis and basic vehicle are much more capable and flexible than a BMP despite it's age and limitations. If you need it to be amphibious then it must have waterjets, otherwise attempting to be a boat will cost you more lives than it is worth and even then it will still not do the job.
>>64648036genuine speaking, what were they thinking? unless khruskhev had 4' battle gnomes from yamantau ofc
>>64648484Their main thought was that 1) the average height of the soviet citizen was very small and 2) the lower to the ground the vehicle was, the less likely enemy munitions were to hit it
>>64648484We all know 18 yo slavs aren't larger than 8 yo slavs.>48484Weird checked'
>>64648500East Asians like norks or changs modified their vehicles to make them taller.>BTR-Striker>Taller T-62>taller PT-76>taller MTLBuIf they, east asians that were 165cm tall on average, thought the interior of those vehicles was too low then it's too low.
>>64648484Even the PRC thought it was too small and the Norks thought the PRC answer to it didn't have enough space either. It is worth noting that the USSR went from armored tractors and purpose built utility light armor to IFVs without having a APC phase in between. The BMP suffers from early adoption syndrome, they never had a M113, Type 63 or 323. It was designed with a specific doctrine in mind and when that didn't work it's specificity of design left it unable to be adapted to new roles unlike the M113, Type 63 and 323.
>>64648500>the average height of the soviet citizen was very smallnot THIS small, even czar era peasant won't fit in there >the lower to the ground the vehicle was, the less likely enemy munitions were to hit itbut it needed to transport troops in a nuclear wasteland, that was the whole gimmick of the BMP
>>64645760Armored truck is better than truck.
>>64648522the USSR had APCs tho, BTR-152 and BTR-50 they just decided to go full retard for some reasons
>>64648541It could have been worse...
>>64648509>taller PT-76The Type-85 and it's APC/IFV variant the M2009 are not PT-76 variants despite stealing the water jets. They are 323s that were turned into light tanks then turned back into APCs, IFVs or whatever a M2009 is. Chinese APC+Stolen waterjet tech from PT-76/BTR-50=Nork amphibious APC=Light amphibious PT-85 tank=Light armored scout quasi IFV M2009And that is where we go this qt.14 although if there are 6 guys in there they are probably a bit cramped but at least it isn't a BMP.323s are comparable to M113s btw in internal space>>64648501China thought is was too small then Sung decided that Mao's people were too uncomfortable in Maos design. When both Mao and Sung both agree that your design isn't functional due to the lack of crew comfort they you should probably consider adding some fucking head room. .
>>64648581>They are 323sOh, they had 2 "Type 63", and IFV similar to the PT-85 (the soviet one) and a APC, both taller than the soviet equivalent.It's funny that East Asians prefer taller vehicles than muscovites
>>64648541BTR-152 is a armored car, the BRT-50 is actually a better basic platform than the BPM especially BMP-1s. They did go full retard.>>64648561We need to go wider, longer and flatter.....
>>64648609>BRT-50 is actually a better basic platform than the BPM especially BMP-1sIn what way?
>>64648635Cargo capacity, ease of manufacture, mobility, amphibious capacity, troop carrying ability, towing ability Ect. The base vehicle is far better it was just not built as a IFV but as a lightly armored floating truck. BTR-50s are designed as utility vehicles, BMPs are highly specific one use suicide machines and their one use they suck at. You can work with the BTR-50 chassis and figure out a way to make it somewhat effective in almost any situation; a BMP only has a single use and final destination.
>>64648635It has more room, but the layout is still shit because the engine is in the rearAll they had to do was make a BMP-2, but 30 cm taller. That would basically be 'we have Marder at home', but still good by Soviet standards.
>>64648679Size isn't evertyhing. BTR-50 is an APC, while the BMP is an IFV. It's better in almost every way.>"The BTR-50 is lightly-armed and thinly-armored, however. When the heavier, and more heavily-armed, BMP-1 debuted in 1966, thousands of BTR-50s cascaded to second-line units."
>>64648701>>64648679The rear engine is a issue with the BTR-50 however much of that space is wasted due to a oversized old engine, my old 1993 Cadillac Coup Deville had a engine that had slightly more horsepower and took up half the space. The lower portions on the rear sides are taken up by the waterjets which aren't as big as you might think although the gearbox/PTO isn't small and is awkwardly located. The BTR-50 is not a IFV but you can sort of turn it into one. It might be crappy but it can be turned into something useful, the same goes for any role you might assign to it like a M113 that is also a boat. A BMP-1 will always be a BMP-1, useful for only a single thing which is a one way ride.
>>64647645Sell them to Ukraine?All greedy bastards want to profit from the war.
>>64647645The actual reason is post USSR states that have large BMP fleets and want to ally with the west but don't want to give up their horde of armor like Algeria. Western nations accommodate them, a great example being that Belgium and the UK make the best smoothbore 115mm APDS-T ammo on earth despite obviously never using it. They sell it to places like Algeria who want better ammo for their T-62s and NATO would rather make it as long as they don't buy it from the Norks or the PRC. **As far as i can tell the Belgian/UK 115m APDS-T are repackaged 105/120mm with slightly different sabot sizes.
>>64645674>low IQ tard filtered by the easiest test imaginable
>>64648870Didn't know that as regards the Belgian ammunition. Fascinating.
>>64648986it finna barely works
>>64645668Both the Czechs and Slovaks went for the CV90 so if anything I'd wager it's going to be hulls or parts for those
>>64646840>You have zero fucking clue what you're talking aboutThat's how the fire hose works anon, don't feed the trolls.Not even the ones ironically posting old propaganda memes.
>>64647794>What new modern tehnologies?Well one has a giant spotting crane so a dude can see and shoot over the jungle canopy.
>>64648501>18 yo slavs aren't larger than 8 yo slavsNo anon, those were actually 8yos, they just said 18yo in the title as a fig leaf because they know other countries have laws about that kind of porn.
>>64645674>filteredSaar do not redeem IQ tests
>>64648870I still think that Bofors should try and market the IKV90s low pressure gun as a Upgrade for the BMP 1, it has better ballistics,HE, penetration of armor and doesn't Poison its crew.
>>64645445I'm now just waiting for Turkey to start building new M60 hulls. There is enough of a market to justify it. The Taiwanese, Jordanian and Turkish upgrades were benched to have fire and protection matching early Leo2 and Abrams models. The Israelis already achieved that with late Magachs/Sabras 30 years ago so it's definitely possible.
>>64645725under-fucking-rated
>>64645725I giggled ya wanka, good job
>>64649676sexoooooooooooooooo
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>>64648818That and Slovak government is a staunchly anti-European Russian ally.They intentionally sabotage things sent to Ukraine (like how they denied all support and feedback on the Zuzana artillery since they were donated by the pro-European government and gulping down Putin's cum is a better prospect than using the sole opportunity to upgrade a NATO modernized Czechoslovak design that is going through its only combat test ever) and undermine all support talks in the EU.So leeching Ukraine armament money by providing death traps which would kill more Ukrainians than Russians would fit their modus operandi.Though we'll just have to wait and see who they sold them to.
>>64649676You know, they say Canada inherited all the M4 Sherman tooling...
>>64648235Yeah, that makes perfect sense. It'd get nasty real quick inside.
>>64647839>more advanced than the original BMP-1>slapping a DShK on the turret while making the hull slightly larger than the original one is now advanced
>>64645631There's a foreign buyer already lined up, but no one is saying who that buyer is
>>64653143>There's a foreign buyer already lined up, but no one is saying who that buyer isWhat's the chance it's a straw purchase in the middle east to forward them to Russia?
>>64648484>genuine speaking, what were they thinking?In the order of decreasing reasoning:- fuck comfort (as in "hurr-durr our military scientists calculated that a BMP lives for less than 15 minutes on battlefield, so it doesn't make sense to invest in comfort", now that's not a joke);- low profile is more important (hurr-durr they won't hit us);- soldiers were shorter back then because of not enough normal food;- soldiers were thinner back then because of not enough normal food;- soldiers didn't have body armor back then;Soldiers basically had to sit with their heads between their knees. Getting out fast was impossible. Hence the soldiers jokingly decoding of the BMP abbreviation as "brotherly (mass) grave of infantry".
>>64645674>>64645725>FilteredFound the sub 80/room temperaturite.
>>64645664Obviously they are being made for the American civilian market and I for one am happy to import an newly made ifv.
