>someone FINALLY made an actually improved AR-15 and not just copy and paste bs>it's Chinese and you will never be able to buy it
>Its yet another AR-18We have like 10 already, this is a lower tolerance copy of an HK product, not a good sign.
>>64645742The QBZ191 is an actual improvement over the base AR-15.The HK416 is just an AR-15 with a G36 gas piston slapped on. You can't even disassemble the gas piston without removing the handguard lmao.
>>64645751What improvements are made?
>>64645772This video goes over the changes made to the base AR-15 design.The translation is a bit fucky but if you know anything about AR's you understand what he meant.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3RMZFSlcaQ
>>64645772High cheek weld increasing eye over barrel to max chinking. Chinks copy shit and just add them on without any idea what they do or what to optimize since they're clueless and just copy stuff. It's why their small arms designs are generally shit even though they have good enough Society designs available they opted for their own retarded designs to get their own soldiers killed from inadequate arms and inadequate training.
>>64645867>Societ designs Soviet designs
>>64645801>"This new chineez rifle is WAY better than AR-15! just have a look at this source saying so!">source is china
>>64645867The top rail is literally on standard AR-15 height over bore what the fuck is this retard talking about
>>64645879>Literally take a look at the video, all the improvements are very clearly demonstrated
>>64645935>Top rail same height as ar15>Huge stock hump requiring cheek weld blocks view of sights>Sights need to be taller to clear the humpChinks will fail every IQ test they didn't memorize the answers for.
>>64645732Ar15 has been surpassed for a long fucking time. It's just not worth replacing for marginal improvements. Add in the fact the design is in public domain, scales of economy, and aftermarket support, it'll stick around for a long time. Would make sense for China to copy it because their last rifle was a major fuck up.
>>64645952Even their copy is a fuck up. Their copies will always be fuck ups because they don't understand the why and what something exists.
>>64645732How many times are you going to make this thread?
>>64645959>free to copy>still fuck it upHOREY SHITTO
>>64645772i see nonebut at least it has a big gap in the receiver for the charging handle so mud can get in easier
>>64645965It's true. I'm American of Chinese descent. I fucking hate working with mainlanders. It's like chairman Mao royally mind fucked them on ability to plan for their own future. At the individual level, they can't understand long term thinking and relationships past five minutes.>I can build this to spec and develop a long term relationship that is greatly profitable for the entire length of time of contract and future contractsVersus>I can spend my entire time plotting how to cut corners, relaunch company every six months under new name, constantly find new customers to conWith their ability to only comprehend five minutes and not ten or fifty years thanks to Chairman Mao destroying every thing older than five minutes, the typical chink is fucking retarded and figuring out ROI or even doing proper research to understand something at autistic levels.
>>64645937No theyre not its just autotranslated tech babble. Demonstration would imply a burn down or abuse test to ensure that dozens of tiny errors dont make the gun useless after 100 rounds.
>>64645986It's not even the long term planning part, it's that they don't really see an obligation to do that long term thinking. There's three kind of civilzation, those where bad behavior is punished by the fear of retribution aka punishment culture, those where it is punished by social ostracization aka shame culture, and those where it is punished by strangement from god and salvation aka guilt culture. Europeans succeeded where others failed because they developed a guilt culture that restrained their lowest instincts and made them high trust societies where everyone strived to accomplish as much as possible without becoming inwardly destructive, meanwhile asian countries stayed at the shame culture level which makes for stable yet stagnant societies as reinforcing the status quo becomes the imperative for everyone to become accepted and comfortable in their community. What happened in China is a further degeneration of that, the cultural revolution abolished tradition and custom to the degree only the institutional mechanisms of the state remained and like in the soviet union, when the state failed it was everyone for themselves, communism breeds a culture of selfishness and mistrust, where you have to screw over and dominate everyone you see before they have a chance to do it to you.
>>64645946>>Huge stock hump requiring cheek weld blocks view of sightsWhat the fuck are you talking about? Have you ever shot a gun?
>>64646229If you can't understand the imrpovements as they are explained and why they make the rifle better then you know nothing about guns. For example the extractor is a famous shortcoming of the AR-15, the QBZ made it much better.
>>64646979>What the fuck are you talking about? Are you so blinded with your slant eyes can't even fucking see the hump that wouldn't allow low profile sights that can run on every single AR derivative that doesn't have a huge fucking stock hump that would block them?
>>64647012can you circle this stock hump on a picture?
>>64646993Maybe I'm more experienced with guns than your noguns chink ass and know better than to trust a lack of demonstrations in a firearms because I've seen this a dozen times before. Where's the burndown? Where's a torture test? Americans can do this easily.
>>64647029Right fucking there. That hump is lowest you can clear to get sight picture. >But that's the base of the rear sightNo it fucking isn't if you can't fucking remove it to have the lowest clearance being the green line
>>64647053are you calling the rear sight part of the stock?
>>64647053It's like the retarded chink engineers saw a g3, thought>G3 excellent battle rifle, it has hump where stock and receiver are>Let us put hump on rifle for no reason >Let us even have hump elevated 1/2 inch higher over rail to have even taller hump>Chinese harmonious engineering create rifle better than g3 with double the hump>Frawress engineering>Implessive ar design
>>64647064It's integrated into receiver where the fixed stock is, so yes that hump could be part of the stock as it affixes stock to it. It's also not the sight because it's a fixed base of the sight that can't be removed and is effectively making the height view higher than it needs to be. Again chinks are fucking retarded.
Someone post the keyholing webm
Chinese copies of German cars are hot garbage, they take tight engineering tolerances and try to cobble them together like the Russians but forget to engineer the initial device to be cobbled together and not masterfully made.
>>64647078i think you are retarded and dont understand how sights work.your idea of the ideal low height is flawed.this is one of those things where if you had ever held a gun youd understand why it wouldnt work.
>>64647078Here circled the stock where all the lines even match up for clear division of stuff. That "rear sight" hump in green is part of the receiver/stock. It's fucking retarded and makes it so need to have higher cheek weld to clear it than it really needs to be.
>>64647105I hope you're being serious and do invade Taiwan with that garbage
I can't tell if they're trying to just remake the AK, because the plastic handguard says a lot about their abilities to make accurate mass produced guns. I'd expect a near peer to be mass issuing free floated mlok guns, this looks like something Russia would make 2 of in the 1990s and then abandon.
>>64645732>>someone FINALLY made an actually improved AR-15 and not just copy and paste bsThat's just an LMT AR with their enhanced BCG/bolt
>>64647053>>64647110your whole premise is flawed. what you should be looking at is the black lines and wow they are all roughly the same and the reason they arent is those pics werent scaled. the amount the folded rear sight is sticking up is the same as anything else with folded rears. it doesnt matter if you could mount something under the top black line cause a human wouldnt be able to use it. it would be too low.
>someone finally improved the AR-15first of all, the LR-300 existssecond of all, if you took the LR-300 and gave it a side charging handle over the handguard so it's pushing against the recoil spring rather than pulling, you'd effectively create the ideal AR
>>64645986I have lived in China, you are right and wrong.Most Chinese just can't into long term planning.Mao saw this and introduced long term planning. It kind of works.Still the majority don't do long term planning. It is like they took all the people capable of considering multiple viewpoints and had planning ability and put them in charge of infrastructure and some other shit China does well.While everyone else, even university administration is running around like spooked chickens.And there is the USA where there is no long term planning at any level.hyping/pumping and dumping start-ups is a way of life in the USA.my product ranking is Japanese > Premium China and USA products > chinkshit > amerigarbage
>>64645867noguns esl
>>64647053You have never shot a gun you fucking retard
>>64647053>>64647067>>64647078>>64647110I hope you're not being serious.
>>64645732Implessive
>improved AR-15>its a piston gunwhy cant you just make a normal thread about the 191? why do you always have to add a shitposty hook to it?
>>64647246>the LR-300 is best because it looks cool
>>64647422no, the LR-300 is best because it solves the buffer tube issue, and now you can put folding or collapsible stocks on the gun, making it a better gun
>>64645732Sorry if I'm missing something, but what the fuck is the point of piston AR15s?If you're not bothering with DI, why not just use an AR18 style bolt carrier and springs?
>>64647110>>64647067Chin weld is superior to inferior cheek weld for bump that has no reason to exist. It is perfect copy of g3
>>64647676You don't understand anything do you?
>>64645986I think it's just the Chinese will to be dominated and told what to do. China's oft called the sick man of Asia. They never mention Chinese women call the Rape of Nanking the Mating Press of Nanking.I'm half Asian. Every time I'm in China, I hop on WeChat or hellotalk in China, turn on find me local, have height/weight/BMI/sporty activity in profile, picture of me, picture of locally available soft drink in a can to match my man sausage. Within hours I'll have a stable of hoes to plant the American flag of freedom seed creampies in for a different girl to pay for my day and accompany them in the evening. Runs full gamut of 18 year old high schoolers to 40 year old milfs.
>>64647120>this looks like something Russia would make 2 of in the 1990s and then abandonIf that was true, it would be a bullpup and inexplicably have bakelite furniture.
>>64647422>the LR-300 is best because it looks coolDamn diddley.
>>64647657I ask this question every time I see a piston AR with a buffer tube.
Adams Arms AR-18 style piston supremacy, strike(plate)s again
>>64647880AR-18 clones are too advanced for them.
>>64647933I regret passing on a complete Adams Arms 7.5" upper for $220
>>64647657There is no reason why DI would be inherently tied with the AR-15 BCG. You could just as well make a DI AR-18. The reason to use the AR-15 system is that it is sleek and in line with the bore and folding stocks are fucking gay and retarded.
>>64645732
>>64647820>picture of locally available soft drink in a can to match my man sausage.This dude smashes.
>>64648230>folding stocks are fucking gay and retardedsour grapes
>>64647396very nice>>64647933gay
>>64645732>>64645732
>>64645732>piston >AR-15
>>64648683I don't get it. What's the purpose of a photo of a canned drink?
>>64650373Dick pick to not get banned and for the slut dragons to go down to the store and know what they're getting.
>>64645952>>64645959the funny part is Norinco has made a copy of the AR-15 since like 1971 and it's basically fine.
>>64650636…Tell me more about these “slut dragons”
>>64648230>The reason to use the AR-15 system is that it is sleek and in line with the bore and folding stocks are fucking gay and retarded.And those benefits are negated when you add reciprocating mass above the bore. The stoner gas system is pretty awesome for what it does, once you start modifying it though you may as well move to something else that doesn't require a receiver extension.
>>64651179He's saying that he posts a photo of a drink can as a loose approximation of his penis to entice promiscuous oriental women.
>>64651251> promiscuous oriental women.Oh.Lame.
>>64651238>And those benefits are negated when you add reciprocating mass above the boreThe weight of the piston is negligible compared to the BCG. And not only that, it is also extremely close to the barrel axis.
>>64651776extremely close isnt the same as inline, you definitely notice a recoil impulse difference between a di ar and a piston one.
>>64651802>extremely close isnt the same as inlinePerfect is the enemy of good. The gas key is also not in line with the barrel axis. The effect of the piston is imperceivable.>you definitely notice a recoil impulse difference between a di ar and a piston oneOnly because piston guns tend to be higher gassed. This has nothing to do with straight in line recoil. Given an identical bolt velocity you wouldn't be able to notice a difference.
>>64651776Carrier tilt says hi. And now you have to further redesign the system to accomodate for that and get to the point where you may as well use an ar-18 system and not have to deal with a receiver extension and buffer. The stoner system makes a lot of sacrifices to keep all forces and mass in line with the bore, once you're not doing that the sacrifices become unnecessary.
>>64651824>Carrier tilt says hiAny competent piston AR easily addresses this issue. The HK416 with a carrier tail, the QBZ with full length rails.>not have to deal with a receiver extension and bufferPutting the recoil spring in the stock is mechanically very elegant and allows you to easily add anti bolt bounce weights. A hollow aluminum tube for a stock is a structurally efficient shape, contributing to a light gun.>once you're not doing that the sacrifices become unnecessary.You are still doing it.The gas piston weight is irrelevantly small.
>>64651824>Carrier tilt says hi.This half-ass engineering Chinese garbage rifle does nothing to eliminate this problem.
>>64651877The QBZ has full length guide rails in the receiver that engage with slots in the bolt. The bolt is better supported than in any other AR-15 design.
>>64651918>>64651877See this picture for the shelf that the guide rails engage with.
>>64651391Have to check to make sure they're not lady boys. So guess it works on lady boys too if that's your thing. Also works on whorientals.
>>64645732>>64645751>>64645801Fucking kek.
>>64647067Look at me I'm the chink weapons engineer now. I have made improved vz.61 that nobody will ever be able to do and you can't buy it.>Tactical hump of g3 that improves chin weld accuracy>Rail over bore height maintained at same level of AR ensuring no low profile sights below hump can be used, even blocks some optics>Integrated tactical rail with full top receiver coverage and low profile
>>64652499You fucking retards in the west could never figure out to put full rail on top of vz.61. Kow tow down to superior impressive Chinese engineering.
>>64652505Isn't a skorpion top eject? How would that work with a rail covering ejection port?
>>64652499>Rail over bore height maintained at same level of AR ensuring no low profile sights below hump can be used, even blocks some opticsI have difficulty picturing the facial structure of someone who wants their sights so low that their eyeball is basically touching the stock...
>>64645937>Rifle that came out in the 1950's and has been continuously improved upon for the last 75 years and is now one of the most reliable rifles in the world>this piece of shit
>>64651918>>64651959So what you're telling me is that there's two tiny ledges inside the anodized aluminum receiver that are going to encounter direct force acting downwards and rearwards upon them from a hardened steel plane every single time the weapon is fired, vs. a cylinder doing the same inside a tube.
>>64645732yes yes, chinkshit is superior yet their shills constantly need the validation of other countries to reaffirm to them how superior they really are
>>64645801>We made the charging handle reciprocating so we could feel if it's properly lubed>The charging handle is on the right side because it's too front heavy to charge with the left handholy kek
>>64645772The bullets tumble in the air now. It's a Chinese thing. You wouldn't understand, gwailo.
>>64652835Yes. Those long ledges are more than enough to provide a lifespan well in excess to anything that might be required.For example, in comparison the AR-15 cam pin causes much more wear on the upper receiver and yet the AR-15 upper can last as many as 100 000 shots.
>>64653055>>We made the charging handle reciprocating so we could feel if it's properly lubedHaving a rigid hold of the charging handle lets you move it forth and back while having the gun cracked open to ascertain the smoothness of the movement.>>The charging handle is on the right side because it's too front heavy to charge with the left handCharging an AR-15 is awkward as fuck. You have to bring the stock into your armpit to support it. A right side charging handle allows you to firmly grasp the rifle with your left hand near the center of gravity giving you excellent control.
>>64654121COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE its a backwards design. Literally 1940s design choices here when even the FAL had fixed this.
>>64654135FAL is just as bad. You need to bring the gun into your armpit to charge it. It doesn't even have a forward assist.Shitty gun, inaccurate and doesn't work in sand the as the Israelis quickly found out and designed their perfect weapon, an AK.Weak hand charging was a mistake through and through. Garand was the greatest battle implement for a reason.
>>64654153You are babbling ChatGPT noguns nonsense.
>>64654158Fuck you buddy you haven't even held a gun in your life.
>>64654164Stop projecting, a right side reciprocating charging handle is retarded, it was fixed in the 40s and only retarded commies like it because they can't figure out more advanced means of charging a rifle.
>>64654158Try charging an FAL in high ready.
>>64654176Noodle arms
>>64654179>yeah the rifle design is very human, you just need to be a bodybuilder to operate it effortlessly
>>64654183I guess average western build is bodybuilder for ladyboy asians.
>>64654193>typical US Army soldiersYou need to understand that this is the end user you should be designing rifles for. Not Arnie.That's why you need to eliminate strength requirements where ever possible. Sure a strong guy can yank out a stuck casing but if you have camming extraction a woman can do it as well, sure a strong guy can handle a battle rifle's weight and recoil but if you have an assault rifle a woman can as well, a strong guy can hold 5kg of gun at an arms length with one arm but if you design your rifle with right hand charging a woman can handle it as well.
>>64654217tl;dr tangent. Right side reciprocating charging handle is an outdated design, this entire gun shows how backwards the Communists are.
>>64654225It's not outdated. It's simply superior.
>>64654293Its simply retarded and the concept has been abandoned by most countries who can machine more complex charging systems. This gun is like China copied HK's homework and then gave their old SKS factory the task of making a 21st century carbine.
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>>64654303China as of current year is the worlds premier manufacturing center. Machining guns is not difficult. They went with the charging handle because it is superior.
>>64645867Eye height over bore doesn't matter and has never mattered.
>>64654405The QBZ has an identical eye height over bore compared to an AR-15
>it's another glock killer>it's another ar-15 killeryeah okay
>>64654368Wrong but its cute that you think that, AK ergonomics are trash if you want high speed tactical manipulations, its ergos made for hordes of conscripts that rely on strength in numbers. This gun is low cost for disposable meatwaves and soldier ergos are second.
>>64654658Retarded misconception.Indeed the AR is a gamer gun, a civilian design.The AK is *not* a cheap disposable design, it is a rugged dependable soldier's gun. Designed with a similar philosophy as the G3 intended for total war.
>>64654735Noguns take. G3 also has a non reciprocating left hand charging handle. Youre just sucking off this mediocre design because of face culture.
Paddle rock and lock mag release seems like a bigger deal to me than right side charging handle. AR designs use the bolt release for mag changes, the only time you're using a charging handle is when something fucky is going on with the gun and you're probably inspecting the ejection port anyway. Rock and lock mags however, take longer to change.
>>64654649Nothing short of truly groundbreaking tech is killing the glock or the ar for the simple fact that everyone can make them and the aftermarket is full of parts and accessories to turn them into whatever you desire.
>>64645732>>64645751>QBZ191 is an actual improvement over the base AR-15.Tiannamen square
>>64654153garand suffers 10 times more from sand egress in the action than the FALand the FAL is way more fucking accurate than a garand you century arms retard
>>64655519>Rock and lock mags however, take longer to change.This is wholly irrelevant outside of competitive shooting.Rock and lock has the advantage of more secure lockup and leverage when inserting.
>>64655696The FAL is a generation ahead of the Garand.The AK is a development of the Garand and of the same generation as the FAL.
>>64655717the AK only shares a long stroke gas system with the garandmost of the conceptual design on the ak are from other Russian designs and brownings
>>64645732Highly doubt it's "better" overall than an AR-15 because lol piston AR but I do agree with some components like the extractor/fixed ejector design being better. It's eating shitty steel case all day and that's probably necessitated. Assuming they're not lying and they actually implemented the semi-Gucci DLC-coated BCG on every rifle, then that's also better than the stock phosphate BCG on an AR. As is the lower bolt unlocking pressure due to a lengthened cam groove + longer bolt stroke. Thankfully, there are solutions for this on the AR without using completely proprietary parts like the Surefire carrier and the LMT and LWRC bolts. Ideally, we should have something like the Surefire carrier and the LMT bolt or some KAC E3-esque bolt on milspec ARs but patent fuckery puts a wrench in things and even if it didn't, I don't think it would catch on unless the US Military adopts these components for mass issue.
>>64655717The FAL and AK are from the same generation and the FAL is a better design overall that would have benefited from early adoption with intermediate rounds.
>>64655713With the downside of the reload being a lot easier to fuck up under pressure. I agree with the lockup not being as strong but it's not like the AR-15 has a flimsy or defective magwell, there's some fencing and substantial reinforcement. And ergos can definitely matter in tense situations. IMO I think they're only going with rock and lock because they wanted the mags from the QBZ-95 to be compatible (also cuz more familiarity with the AK design)
>>64656226>shitty steel caseIt's all laquered, high pressure ammo. About as "premium" as you can get for steel cased ammo becore you get into proprietary alloys like NAS3.
>>64655696>sand ingress Complete meme.
>>64656239There were FAL prototypes developed using what would be considered intermediate rounds. 7,62 NATO put them to rest.As an aside, a company in Phoenix made a Mini FAL that fired 5.56 X45 and used M-16 mags. It was very interesting but suffered from production and QC issues.
>>64655696>Fal way more accurateMechanical accuracy is probably very similar with the Garand having better sights and longer sight radius. There's a reason that DMR versions of the FAL weren't popular
>>64653055they basically made a Bear Creek Arsenal AR15.
>>64656408No matter how "premium" your steel case ammo gets, they will wear out an extractor and ejector way faster than brass case and will run dirtier due to the case not expanding fully on a chamber
>>64655713>This is wholly irrelevant outside of competitive shooting.You could say the same thing about the charging handle debate. My only point is that the AR-15 style is easier under stress
>>64654153>FAL is just as bad. You need to bring the gun into your armpit to charge it.No it doesn't. You're retarded.
>>64656660You never know, the person you're replying to is probably a chinese munchkin that would struggle with a european rifle.
>>64645751>The QBZ191 is an actual improvement over the base AR-15.I'm watching the video you posted and I'm not seeing any improvements.They showed a vietnam-era M16A1 as a reference for the AR-15 platform, when we have long since moved past that design and my civilian rifle shits on the ChinkR-18
>>64645937>Literally take a look at the video, all the improvements are very clearly demonstratedthey are called improvements but they actually aren't.>a left-handed charging handle would snag on plate carrierswhat if the shooter is left handed>collapsible stockwelcome to the 21st century>hook and latch magazine releaseliterally inferior to the AR-15/18 magazine system>"charging handle reciprocates to better determine lubrication"that's the dumbest thing I ever heard. picrel, a better rifle
