looks like this will be europe's main defense system for the foreseeable future
Love me a kill switch. Simple as.
>>64646135If a ballistic missile is launched at Berlin, Germany has bigger problems than just protecting Berlin.
>>64646135Thats basically doubling the amount of launchers from the previous order. Good news.>>64646140Odds of Israel launching missiles at Germany is zero, what is your point?
>>64646135>Israel and Germany are diversifying away from US.This is grim.*Verification not required.
Germany is going to get nuked in your lifetime.
>>64646135>Amerimutts are slaves to Israel unlike us Germa-
>>64646135no it will be aegis ashore and aegis ships in rota
>>64646334it's called the samson option, but it's fine, germany is buckbroken enough that they'll consider it an honor
>>64647192>samson optionschizo bullshit
>>64647197He lead with "kill switch" so it should've been discarded as schizo talk from the start.
>>64647192>>64647197the samson option is just a very safe assumption of commentators as to what israel’s nuclear doctrine is.it’s not what browns on the internet are trying to astroturf it asbut rather the exact same doctrine almost every nuclear power has.everyone with at least two functioning brain cells can deduce from the fact israel has a policy of nuclear ambiguity that they don’t have a public doctrine,as well as from the biblical story of samson.judges 16:30 makes it very self explanatory.
>>64646349Nah, just Germany being a good goyslave. Arrows are produced in Mississippi and are really just a shittier THAAD. Really just a different form of muh Holocaust reparations.
>>64646976merz was a blackrock exec, its really no surprise. Cant imagine you can rise in the ranks there if you're not 100% kosher
>>64649966Merz is pretty good when it comes to foreign policy and the Arrow procurement was started under his predecessor Scholz.
>>64650111>Merz is pretty good when it comes to foreign policyTell that to the proud people of Brazil & Angola
>>64650144irrelevant bs
>>64650144who cares
>>64647192>samson optionOh look it's retarded.
>>64647849>just call it "mutually assured destruction">it's fine >jews call it a jewish myth>/pol/>DA JOOS WANT TO NUKE THE WORLD The very concept of the /pol/ Samson Option is so fucking retarded it is honestly funny. The Israelis don't have enough nuclear weapons to do this (and why the fuck wouldn't they just use them on the people attacking them) and they don't have ICBM's, and finally why the fuck would you nuke countries that would survive your attack and go Full Hebrew Death in retaliation.
>>64648320>buying things is being a goyslave Meds.
>>64646135>looks like this will be europe's main defense system for the foreseeable futurehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEcIQ0ExIwchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFFP24_UH1Uhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j_1a_K1ednY
>>64652498>Buying inferior products that you could probably develop yourself is actually very logical and smart
>>64646159>If a ballistic missile is launched at Berlin, Germany *will cheer, loudly.Just don't nuke Potsdam.
>>64646140>Israel is surely planning an invasion of Germany to try to finish the Holocaust of the Germans they started in 1934, which Adolf Hitler barely fought off.
>>64652918That's so retarded Russians would believe it.
>>64648320>shittier THAADIf you want to shitpost, at least come up with something actually funny.arrow is closer, if not actually a land-based, longer range sm-3. They are meant for mid-course defense, not terminal phase, retard.Krauts can either get the shorter range SM-3.The only thing comparable in the us is the GMD, which i dont see the us exporting them anytime soon, even if arrow 3 indeed does have a lot of us footprints on it
>>64652494they have more than enough weapons to do it if you think tehran isnt getting vaporized in a nuclear exchange you're retarded
Isreal would never sell aerospace tech to China, or compromise NATO SIGINT, or carry out espionage against an allied state, or bomb an allied state.
The isrealis also didn't crash an Arrow 2 into telaviv this year, or blow one up in the refuelling stage, or fail to stop a nuclear capable missile hitting Central telaviv.And this isn't American technology the isrealis stole, then resold to bypass US arms embargoes. Isreal isn't stealing America's shit then selling it back to America.
>>64654763thats why germany is buying em they need something reliable from a reputable source
>>64654180If Russian ballistic missiles are flying towards Berlin it's already WW3 so a handful of Israeli knockoffs is not going to stop them. Plus this is Germany we're talking about. They could easily make their own interceptor that would be cheaper and more effective than the Israeli one.Just like that drone deal from a few months back, this is just another form of German Holocaust reparations trying to keep flailing Israeli economy from going completely underwater.
>>64655087developing systems like this is not trivial at all and takes years, Germany slept on defense matters until 2022 so now it's time sensitive. Israelis have market ready systems and usually are willing to allow license production (not with Arrow, but goes for other Israeli systems). That's why Germany is purchasing from them. And to suck them off a bit too, granted, but not solely due to that. Though personally I think the Arrow purchase is a dumb deal, we should spend those billions on long range strike systems instead to just hit back if the ziggers decide to strike. And we need nukes ofc, but everyone is too pussy to admit that fact.
>>64654763>refuelling stageJesus Christ, did you just copy paste this shit off of ChatGPT?
>>64655124>Israelis have market ready systems and usually are willing to allow license productionFair enough.>we should spend those billions on long range strike systems instead to just hit back if the ziggers decide to strike.This is the most important pill to swallow from the last few years of conflict. Missile offense has faaaar outpaced missile defense so unless some quantum leap is made in missile defense technology, the best defense is a good offense.Instead of Arrows or THAADs, Germany should be taking the Iran pill and spend their billions developing a cheap, mass producible ballistic missile system capable of hitting Moscow in 7 minutes and then stuff thousands of them into a dozen missile cities hidden under the Alps. That'll be an actual deterrent.
>>64655262And what happens after they come out of their hidden cities, Fallout 5's new plot? Over 60% of Germanys population is 60+ years old, if those old fucks died everybody would benefit from it
>>64655394you got the numbers wrong tovarish, 99% here are 150+ years old
>>64655410You don’t need to be Russian to hate boomers or be real about it, Renate/Ulf
>>64655124>not with Arrowhuh, MBDA will be the local producer of intercepting missile.>nukeshaving nukes doesnt exclude building a robust BMD system. That's why the pentagon spent decades on pursuing SDI, and now with golden dome.
>>64652494>US had to help them because they vowed to chimp out and start nuking random countries >This is the same as defensive nuke doctrine Ok.
>>64655499>link https://archive.ph/px4J6>>64655124also, there's many shady deals that's obviously meant to suck off the kike, like trophy aps even when strikeshield is perfectly capable.But arrow is certainly the most capable exo ABM system currently available, there's no alternative to it, at least before 2030.HYDIS might produce a fully domestic exo interceptor, but it's mosly a concept for the moment
>>64655499>huh, MBDA will be the local producer of intercepting missile.no. MBDA will help service the system. where did you get the idea that there will be Arrow interceptor license production? not happening from all I've read.>having nukes doesnt exclude building a robust BMD system.it kind of does.>>64655512interesting that you mention trophy as useless and arrow as useful, imo it's the opposite. trophy unlike strikeshield is combat proven. and there is license production for trophy. for arrow, there's no license production and it's highly debatable how useful it is against what the Russians are fielding (Iskanders etc. fly below where Arrow can intercept).
>>64646976How is both buying AND selling to Israel cucked? Doesn't make sense.
>>64655546>there's no license productionits already mentioned MBDA DE will be in charge of local factory, if that's not as close to a licensed production line, then what will it be ?>Iskandersthat's what PAC-3 is forthe oreshnik, not to mention potential ICBM-class target. Granted, the current arrow 3 setup wont be that effective in a full blow nuclear exchange, but it's a good first step.>trophy unlike strikeshield is combat provenGrinding goatfuckers under its treads isn't combat proven.
>>64655633>its already mentioned MBDA DE will be in charge of local factory, if that's not as close to a licensed production line, then what will it be ?there is no local factory or license productionit's just maintenance that mbda will do
>>64646135>spending money on a system that gets BTFO by chink missileswew
>>64655652ffs, it's said in the article that MBDA will take charge of arrow interceptor local production, in a joint venture with IAI.unless you have any source to contradict this, this will be your last (you)
>>64646135>germans and jews alliesWhat a timeline.
>>64655672link that article. You're making shit up. There is no license production.https://www.mbda-deutschland.de/tag/arrow3/>Under the agreement, MBDA will support all necessary measures for the adaptation, integration, and maintenance of the system in Germany. MBDA will coordinate the activities of German industry required to support the program.nowhere does it say license production.
>>64655699>link that articleNTA, but >>64655512>>link>https://archive.ph/px4J6>Berlin’s agreement with Israel to purchase the Arrow 3 air defense system includes joint production of interceptor missiles in Germany, according to officials familiar with the matter.
>>64655699already posted here>>64655512but there you go, bloomberg report over a week agohttps://archive.ph/px4J6Also>2023its 2025, time to come out of cryogenic, grandpa
>>64655711>>64655718ok I stand corrected. honestly positively surprised. but so far it's still rumors, not a done deal.the Americans for example don't allow license production of their top gear (PAC-3 MSE, PrSM). only second-rate gear will be license produced in Germany (PAC-2 GEM-T, ATACMS).
>>64654594>reading comprehension Shitskin. >>64655510What the fuck are you babbling about you fucking retard?
>>64655124germany isnt sucking them offgermany placed a temporary arm embargo on israel recently and on the same week israel delivered the first arrow batteries lufthansa announced an embargo on arm shipments to and from israel i'm sure your opinion will change if and when missiles will start to raineven if they'll only be able to minimize damage to airfields
>>64655811>the Americans for example don't allow license production of their top gear (PAC-3 MSE, PrSM).Not true tho
>>64655546>>having nukes doesnt exclude building a robust BMD system.>it kind of does.Not if you want to win a nuclear exchange.While it’s still far-fetched to have an ABM shield capable of withstanding a full scale nuclear exchange, western ABM tech is getting there and MAD become invalid for thirdies can be a possibility.A better early warning and space based interceptor system would definitely swat out enough ballistic missile to the point you can simply cloning v2 with a basic fission warhead and still win a nuclear war against russoid and chang cause their abm tech is so far behind.A135 system protecting moscow isn’t any different from the sprint missile.Russoid knows they can’t afford a full fledged abm shield, that’s why they spend more on useless shit that was canned from the Soviet era like poseidon, cause at least while ineffective in actual capability, they still generate enough headlines for the western peaceniks to start crying about ‘muh escalation’.
