What are the strategic benefits of blocking your own fleet of warship's access to the sea?
>>64648002>get locked out of the Black Sea by a country with no navyThis is even worse than the Russo Japanese war, what the fuck.
>>64648002strategic benefits?
>>64648002>you've seen air defense cuckold>now, get ready to witness sea defense cuckold>with his own cage!
>>64648002Admittedly I know the least about naval warfare, but I was under the impression chains and nets were typically used deny waterways to enemy movement? Not... sunken hulks?
>>64648022That's what they were doing before. Too easy to blast holes in them.
>>64648002What even is that?
>>64648002>drones are toys and a fad and will go away and la la la can't hear youThis is /k/ 3 years ago. Now drones have taken to the sea and land too. Ignore at your peril.
>>64648022No, sunken hulks are frequently used for blocking harbors and ports. But not usually in a way that keeps your own fleet from sailing.
>>64648002It's now the BLACKED Sea Fleet.
>>64648051>>64648113Well alright then. Thank you, gentlemen. I assume the blocking hulls were zig-zagged, or intentionally flooded and then raised. Do you have any historical examples I could read up on, or related book recs?
>>64648022Blockships are a common tactic.
>>64648002You can just move the barges, doofus.
>>64648155Scapa Flow. Siege of Sevastopol (the first one). Russian also used it in '14.
>>64648002is that a tugboat in the middle part ? they probably made up some gate with the floating barges and only open them when the ships need to move out
>>64648002If the war goes on much longer i'd be surprised if Russia doesn't try to retaliate by hiring some Yonos, somewhat shocked they haven't brought those in already.
>>64648002Dumb thread. Those things are there to stop underwater drones.
>>64648238Damn, good thing you showed up and explained it to us. Otherwise we'd never have known you fucking moron.
>>64648180Are you really going to give them that? My money would be on they didn't put any thought beyond doing what they were told, which was to block the entrance.
>>64648002And they said Russia has no aircraft carriers. They have so many that they can spare 3 to block a harbor.
>>64648168>Ukrainians hit barge with drone>Barge is now blockshipKnowing the Russian navy's track record, the barge will sink close enough to the surface to trap their ships in port but too deep to keep shallow-draft vessels like drones out.
>>64648163Is this the blockchain I've heard about?
>>64648002Wasn’t the original reason for grabbing Crimea because Russia wanted control over the Black Sea?
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>>64648258Come look out of this window.
>>64648002Has anything good ever happened in the Russian Navy? If I were them I'd wanna keep my ship from setting sail too.
>>64648238>"those shallow draft barges are to keep out submersibles"They should dig a trench to deter low-flying helicopters while they're at it.
>>64648238>lobs missiles at your immobile fleet
>>64648002>>64648006Russia and China don't have unrestricted access to the sea. that's why china is constantly seething about taiwan. honestly it's embarrassing for yuros that the most powerful yuro doesn't have unrestricted access to the ocean >in before some retardationlook at a map, russia either has to push through the bospherous and then suez or gibralter or they have to pass by copenheagen. their other sea access would be via the artic where no one lives or by vladivostok where no one fucking lives.
>>64648275Surely the AD will finally leave the shed?
>>64648275>immobile fleetIts the stone frigate strat.
>>64648306He hasn't finished weighing the eggs yet
>>64648002So are the crews going to stay with the ships or be shipped off to the front?
>>64648339crew? what crew? infantry brigade left four days ago. there was no crew.
>>64648051>Too easy to blast holes in them.Is that what the Ukrainians did? Or were the nets just not in place at the time the sub drone slipped into the harbor? Anti-submarine nets are a technology that's been around since at least WWI.
>>64648275Thanks for reminding me of Berdyansk supply landing.
>>64648392I will never not be disappointed that the other ships didn't go up, too.
>>64648384>expecting WW1 tech from RussiaIt isn't like they had been planning out this place as a major naval base, shipyard and their main civil harbor for decades and even if they did so what? You can't just place a major port in a confined naval environment and expect to have a perfect defense against infiltrators. You'd need a gigantic 8km wall with flak towers, locks, underwater sally ports for subs and dozens of machine gun bunkers lining the base, that would be impossilbu.......Oh wait, Russians are just fucking lazy.
>>64648339>Those whose ships can float above the barges will stay with the fleet and most likely be moved further south>Those whose ships can't float above the barges will be dissolved into skeleton crews needed for maintenance reasons>Those whose ships can't fling missiles at Ukraine will be shipped to Ukraine and thrown into the grinderScreenshot this post and laugh in the coming months
>>64648451I expected the version with the very enthusiastic zigger newsman reporting the landing, then cut to the burning ship limping away to the tune of Curb Your Enthusiasm.
>>64648489>will be dissolved into skeleton crewsAnon... how literal was that supposed to be?
>>64648022Torpedo nets have existed in this fashion since ww2.Doesn’t make it less impressive that ukraine is able to get at these boats without a torpedo in sight
>>64648559>Nation at the forefront of UUV, USV, and UGV vehicles constantly shocks the worldDuh? And to be fair, Russia most likely felt like the fleet at the port was safe and never bothered to put out netting unless they got word that USVs were coming
>>64648022Torpedo nets only work when humans are attacking you, not drones. Some Italian frogman riding a torpedo into a British port absolutely will not just commit suicide, he'll only drive the torpedo if he can line up a shot and then swim away as the British ship suffers damage and draws all the attention. Historically it has been a similar situation with any other method of attacking ships in port. You need a sub, special forces, or air planes to land sneaky attacks on the ships, and those guys are vulnerable. The point of the net is just to tilt the odds that they will succeed down enough that the enemy would be foolish to risk important assets attacking you in port. Attacking someone in port isn't a pitched battle most of the time, it's a sneak attack.If you can develop drone AI to the point where the torpedo can just punch a hole in the net, then it is just an economics game where the net just slows the torpedo down. It's okay for the entire attacking force to be destroyed so long as it does more damage to the enemy.The real solution to this is to enhance detection around your ports and equip patrols with weapons like depth charges. In theory it should be possible to deploy defenses that are cheaper to make than advanced underwater drones.
>>64648549Nah, that's the only one I got. Feel free to post yours if you've got it, though, that sounds hilarious.
how did sea babby perform terminal guidance in the port? is it like a usv with an antenna and a camera? or just really accurate INS?
>>64648605>Some Italian frogman riding a torpedo into a British port absolutely will not just commit suicideNo a Italian will not do something like that but Russia's greatest Ally would do it and have. They also have the capability to do so. The fact that Russia has got hit repeatedly with small boat tactics and haven't hired their ally who is a expert in these tactics for port security is beyond stupid. Nork harbor security boats and mini subs fit on traincars, the port should have been swarming with them when Nork frogmen weren't blowing up random stuff in Ukrainian ports. I don't understand how Russia is so dumb: There is a clear long term threat and Ukraine is probably MORE vulnerable to the same tactics as Russia. Basic shit like torpedo nets, small subs, frog men and tugboats of doom (pic related) are just a call away but Russia is too stupid, cheap and incompetent to pic up the phone to Pyongyang. These dumb ass slavic niggas need some Yonos.
The type of anti-torpedo net that battleships equipped with booms on their sides was found to have the drawback of collapsing into the sea in the event of combat damage, causing hindrances, and was discontinued after a short period of use.
>>64648641Maybe its the "It knows where it is, because it knows where it isn't" meme
>>64648623It was, too bad I can't find that version now.
>>64648655>Nets, sponson turrets and torpedo bulges are going to make a comebackAll i need now is biplanes and airships...
>>64648688It'll just be batteries of switchblade 300 sized interceptor torpedoes/UUVs
>>64648297>honestly it's embarrassing for yuros that the most powerful yuro doesn't have unrestricted access to the ocean The fuck are you even talking about, ESL thirdie?
>>64648652What is it you have? Aspergers? Kanners?Down Syndrome maybe
>>64648489Well bad news for the Kilo crews then, I don't think those things can even launch missiles. They have no vertical launch cells, and launch from the torpedo tubes requires a minimum depth that IIRC is deeper than the harbor floor.
>>64648605>Torpedo nets only work when humans are attacking you, not drones. Some Italian frogman riding a torpedo into a British port absolutely will not just commit suicide, he'll only drive the torpedo if he can line up a shot and then swim away as the British ship suffers damage and draws all the attention.Bolt cutters how do they work?https://pdfs.xray-mag.com/articles/Feature_FirstFrogmen_07.pdf
Didn't the British completely seal off Scapa Flow after Gunther Prien's visit?
Like the Prien submarine that invaded Scapa and the US Navy's Wolf Pack that invaded the Sea of Japan, they were also capable of surface navigation under cover of night.To completely close the waterway while still operating it as a waterway, it is necessary to deploy a net-opening ship.
>>64648022Dozens of surplus and antiquated merchant ships awaiting scrapping were acquired by the British Admiralty and scuttled at the entrances to Scapa Flow at the start of the First World War to prevent German submarines from sneaking into the harbor. These later proved inadequate at the start of the Second World War (largely because the hulls of the ships had disintegrated due to the currents in the intervening 20 years) when Günther Prien, commander of U-47, penetrated the harbor (successfully bypassing at least three blockships in the process) and sank the HMS Royal Oak, resulting in even more blockships being scuttled. This was still deemed insufficient however so the British solved the problem once and for all with Churchill Barriers, giant causeways erected that served the dual purpose of permanently blocking all submarine access and linking the Orkney islands with a road network.During the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014, the Russians towed the hulk of one of their last surviving Kara-class cruisers to the entrance of Donuzlav Lake (headquarters of the Ukrainian Navy in Sevastapol) and scuttled it. Most of the Ukrainian Navy's surface fleet was unable to escape as a result and subsequently captured virtually intact.
>>64648652Counterpoint, it's a long way from the DPRK to the sea of Azov, there's no canals, and nobody is letting DPRK ships through the Suez let alone the Bosporous.
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>>64648002>Port closed>due to raids
>>64648731trying too hard, retard.
>>64648709Yes. I'm quite open about it, it's even my tripfag name. >>64648702X shaped underwater Spike/Lancet versions are such a obvious idea that i'm sure they are already in use. >>64648810Counterpoint: There are canals that can do it and a Yono can fit on a rail car as can the DPRK's smaller coastal defense boats. A trailer capable of moving a double wide mobile home or a large load of logs could transport a Yono, they are only 65-70 feet long.
>>64648731So is the joke that you keep pretending Russia is a European country?
>>64648002the benefit is that russia has a secret technology on their naval vessels, it's called turbo boost™ and they can just jump over it whenever they want.
>>64648854They're so small and simple I struggle to see why it wouldn't be cheaper to just build new ones in the region. Not like you need a ton of dedicated infrastructure or resources for one of those, relative to something like a corvette or more standard patrol ship.
>>64648083Nobody has ignored them tho, we’re just making fun of you for being a retard and thinking they replace everything.You don’t care about the actual pro’s and cons of drones, you just want to masturbate about le drone revolution (when we’ve been using drones since forever).
>>64648890They are not european lol
>>64648960Russia is not and has never been European, neither geographically nor ethnicallyClosest they ever got was being ruled by Germans for a few hundred years
>>64648155one of the famous ice cream barges ended up as a blockship for a timber mill in canada
>>64648113Yeah the Russian Naval Handbook probably had that last part covered in a different section
>>64648178>Siege of Sevastopol (the first one).How many has there been?
>>64648605>the muhdrone will use AI to hack the mainframe and disable the intertorpedonet.
>>64648998russia has always been yuropean. you must go to a retarded school where they give you bad education. where do you think yurop ends? what geographical feature? you are coping so hard? Also you sure are mad as fuck about basic geography and history
>>64648927They are one or two steps above the best Narcosub, just with torpedoes, lurking ability and competent crews. The reason i suggest Russia engage in the trench warfare version of submarine warfare is they cannot do it themselves. Russia is losing the naval war on the Black Sea, the DPRK is their only option for reinforcement. The Norks can't save the situation but they might be able to pull off a propaganda victory or two that would help Russia negotiate. I can't fix stupid however, a half dozen Yonos and a few tons of gold would reward Russia greatly over the long term but we all know 'tomorrow' doesn't have a Russian equivalent does it? Might as well ask them how they would feel if they got raped this morning.
>>64649032>copingYou seem upset that you’re not included in the club lolRussians are asiatic, not human.
>>64648083Nigger drones have been used for decades, the difference is when people are talking about shitty little quadcopters as though it's revolutionary when the likes of predators predate them extensively
>>64649061I'm not Russian and I'm happy I'm not a yuro. guns are banned in yurop. what geographical border is the end of yurop?
>>64649032>Türkiye is yooorupKek
>>64649032Europe ends at the Ukrainian LOC
>>64649096so not a geographical feature?>>64649077and what continent is constantinople in?
>>64649105The ottomans were not Romans and the Turks are not EruopeanBoth they and the Russians are just jealous nonwhites larping as their ethnic superiors
>>64649105>so not a geographical feature?Give it time
>>64649117lel>>64649114the ottomans and russians are way more involved in yuro culture and politics than in asian shit. there were multiple wars and proxy wars leading up to WWI like the crimean war over ottoman and commie influence in yurop
>>64649125The ottomans and Russians were "involved" in European culture in the same way the Mongols were, and for largely the same reasonsThey are not, have never been and will never be European in any way
>>64649131mongolians haven't been relevant in yuro politics since the 1200s. the turks and russians are still relevant. turkey's biggest city and russia's 2 largest cities and capital are in yurop.1/3rd of turky's population is on the yuro side of the bospherous and 80% of russians live in yuropwikipedia says russia is in yurophttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Russia
>>64649137and yet, much like all other historical invaders, they are not and will never be EuropeanConstantinople is a European city, currently occupied by turks
>>64649137Russias two largest cities are hundreds of kilometers east of the easternmost European border (currently the finnish/baltic/Ukrainian line), well inside central Asia with the rest of Russias cities
>>64649175encyclopedia Britannia also says russia is in yurophttps://www.britannica.com/place/Russia>>64649168turks, greeks and modern germans are the same people
>>64649189all of your "sources" are wrongRussia is not in Europe, Russians are not EuropeanTurkey is not in Europe, Turks are not EuropeanNo matter how hard you try, no matter what reasoning you use, you will never, EVER be EuropeanYou will always be an outsider, and invader, an unwelcome imposition upon your betters
Jonh Smith from Texas oblast sure managed to derail this thread...
>>64649233kekyou mean john smithov
>>64649032Geographically 77% of Russia is in Asia. If that doesn’t matter then Turkey and Kazakhstan can be considered European."Europeaness" would come down to how a country is percieved. If a country is culturally and politically aligned with the majority of European nations one would easily percieve it as European. Ukraine is a European country.If however said country is acting like a rabid dog that needs to be put down then nobody will want to identify as "one of them". And for that reason Russia isn't European.
>>64648652As much as we all make fun of Putin for being a monke retard, I'm sure he's perfectly aware that the Kims don't actually like him and wouldn't trust such a significant presence of NK military personnel in his area. Kursk was one thing since he was just "buying" servicemen and throwing them at the AFU. Anything more complex than that will necessitate importing NK chain of command and who knows what they'd get up to?
>>6464924877% of Russian population live in Europe though
>>64649388they will be deported back to Russia where they belong
Living in a house doesnt make a rat a human. russians are Europeans as much as shitskins
>>64649105What continent is the nation of Turkey primarily on?You are an asiatic dog
>>64648256Kek
>>64648270Kek
>>64648270Fuck
Does Ukraine have anything that can reach those delicious cruisers now trapped inside the harbor? Flamingos? Neptunes?
>>64648083>some 4chan users are retardedNo shit, those of us with half a brain have been watching drones with interest since Predator or earlier.
>>64649603With torpedos blocked they would have to use cruise missiles which would be easily intercepted by Russia IADs and even if they did hit the highly trained damage control teams would quickly...Nah, I can't do it, I was trying to pretend Russia is competent for the lols.
>>64649603a bunch of Ukroshaheds would be more than enough to deal with these sitting ducks
>>64649603Just keep fucking around the port instead. It will force Russia to put AD systems around the port instead of putting them elsewhere.
>>64649603>cruisersRussia only has two Slava class and two Kirov class cruisers, none of which in the Black Sea.
>>64648002Damn, having deja vu moments>in 1854 Russians had sunk ships to protect their harbor, and taken aggressive measures for defense. In the battles of Inkerman and Balaclava
>>64649603No, the Cuckold will leave the Shed forever
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