This is the largest ever arms package to Taiwan.Of this $11B, $4B will go towards 82 HIMARS launchers and 420 ATACMS. The ATACMS has more than enough range to hit all the ports and factories in Fujian, and can hit ports in Quanzhou and Guangdong.>The proposed arms sale covers eight items, including HIMARS rocket systems, howitzers, Javelin anti-tank missiles, Altius loitering munition drones and parts for other equipment, Taiwan's defence ministry said in a statement.Anduril also copped a win with $1.1B for their ALTIUS drones. PrSM production isn't nearly fast enough yet (400/y) to fill in the gap by the shrinking ATACMS stockpile so the fact that they're being sold to Taiwan means business.
Forgot the saucehttps://www.reuters.com/world/china/taiwan-says-us-has-initiated-111-billion-arms-sale-procedure-2025-12-18/
>>64649003It's literally just making sure no one can supply Ukraine. Comrade Vance and co strike again.
>420 ATACMSSo...enough for the first day of the invasion?
>>64649003>spend all your budget on artillery and obsolete missiles >get btfo by Chinese air supremacy What do you call this strategy? Why aren't they getting 40 f-35s instead?
>>64649013You can't use a busted port which will be out of action for weeks
>>64649017How many of these will get through AD? I'm pretty sure China is monitoring ATACMS use in Ukraine very closely.
>>64649026Its a hypersonic ballistic missile like the Khinzal what do you think?
>>64649003420 atacms will not be enough. half of them will get intercepted and the rest will cause some damage, but similar to russia, it will not stop china from just tanking the hits and trucking on anyway.taiwan needs a nuclear option, or they are fucked in the longrun. even 1000 cruise missiles cant change that. china is just too big.
>>64649518ballistic means it is easy to intercept and with the chinese jamming gps accuracy will be pretty bad, add to that a non nuclear warhead and its basically just a useless fire cracker. but i guess trump is happy the american mic managed to get another sale.
>>64649003implessi- wait i mean, impressive
Taiwan needs one thing: nukes (and the will to use them). Thats it. All other stuff is cope
>>64649014they already have F35sThese are for long range counter battery fire and/or deleting human waves
>>64649013it brings them up to just under half the chinese short range ballistic missile inventory, if they are sparing they will outlast the chinks since HIMARS is much more survivable than your average TELThat said, more rockets would obviously be better
>>64649003Has china lodged a complaint yet?
>>64649561>i guess trump is happy the american mic managed to get another saleAnd everyone in mic is happy. Painters and roofers, not really happy. But they were just alcoholic wife beaters before anyway. And half of them are Mexicans to begin with.
>>64649709They will whine and saber rattle and "test launch" missles. Bfd.
>>64649561>ballistic means it is easy to interceptBallistic missiles are super hypersonic wunderwaffe impervious to any western countermeasure while simultaneously being impotent peashooters unable to get past Glorious People's Republic defenses. Global South logic is wild.
>>64649014Too many spies. The Japs will take care of the F-35 role.
>>64649014I'm wondering if (when?) it all goes down, like finally finally, what would the battlespace look like, the debris, the shot down aircrafts, ships blown apart, like the amount of primary materials; shell casings, steel hulls, the intensity of it all
>>64649856You're delusional if you actually anyone is getting into a war with China over Taiwan. Russia is a joke yet every single nation is too chicken shit to deploy boots on the ground or even enforce a no fly zone over ukraine
Chinks had a massive crashout over the Japanese prime minister insinuating that, if Taiwan were attacked, it MIGHT constitute an existential threat to Japan, thereby justifying intervention by the JSDF. Chinks stopped Chinese exchange students, told their civilians not to visit Japan (fucking thank-you for that now the trains and busses aren't full of annoying chink yapping), banned imports on Japanese maritime products, and demanded the return of their fucking stupid pandas.Now, what do you think fucking China's reaction is going to be to America selling Taiwan gigatons of fishing-boat vaporizing missile systems? I'll give you one guess.
>>64650014angry tiktoks
>>64650014They can just stop buying American goybeans and the deal will be called off. But they won't because why step in when your enemy is shooting themselves in the foot by getting obsolete garbage?
>>64650025You seem very butthurt about taiwan getting these "obsolete garbage"
>>64650025Hey is it true that grandpa Xi recently levied a tax on condoms in the hope that it would force more of you to spawn? lmao
>>64650014>Japan makes an extremely logical statement that a conflict in the middle of their supply chain would be a problem for them>China flips their shit>heh, let's see America back up Japan n->American cuts straight to $11bil arms sale to TaiwanLol. Lmao even.Why is China so fucking retarded bros
>>64650014>demanded the return of their fucking stupid pandas.Did you know China has P A N D A S?
>>64649009China is way bigger of a threat than Russia
>>64649009If we keep sending weapons to Ukraine, the war will end before all the ziggers are dead.
West Taiwan NOT gonna like this
>>64650119If China doesn't stop being belligerent assholes to literally everybody on the planet then before long pandas won't have China.
>>64650189I mean, I don't believe that. Sounds like chink propaganda. But OK.
>>64650189Guess who's gonna support China in case of war with China retard?
>>64650275Nobody will to any meaningful degree unless they want a visit from their friendly neighborhood CSG
>>64650189Wish they'd understand this. The Russians blew their load years ago now and Ukraine is going to have plenty of European support for years to come. Russia is only a real threat to the US when nukes are in play and they're not going to do that because they know it's a two way street. Meanwhile it's pretty damn obvious that the US is shifting it's focus towards the Pacific because China has been trying to bully everyone in the region including our allies. Taiwan is also significantly more important to the US than Ukraine (which is important to the EU).>>64650275With what? Anything the Russians sent to aid China would weaken their war effort in Ukraine. It'd be painfully stupid for the Russians to join China's war and would give the US the excuse we need to deal with them too. There is absolutely no benefit to Putin or Russia in doing that. Xi should be absolutely fucking livid over Putin's war explicitly for this reason.
>>64650025I like how you’re just monitoring this thread intensely and having an aneurism every time someone makes fun of china, chinkshill.No, your metoditchka doesn’t work, westerners save themselves a lot of time and effort by just ignoring bad-faith actors, proven liars are proven liars here, and so your words are worth about as much to us as african tongue clicking.
>>64649984never underestimate the pettiness over which asians will start warsasian countries don't have a saying for "don't tread on me", because they usually just move directly to the finding out phase without saying anythingit's also a bad comparison with europe because europe doesn't have an army in any of its nations, where as WORST KOREA has based a good fraction of its national identity on being militarily prepared for BEST KOREA, and the japanese have a genetic disposition to invade the asia mainland. I shouldn't have to outline the chinese position on all this.
>>64649984Sanae clarified just last month that Japan would immediately step in to help Taiwan if China so much as blockades Taiwan. Cope more.
>>64650189They use the same equipment and their doctrine draws from the same putrid well, not to mention they haven't had combat experience in half a dozen decades. A few inferior copies of the F-35 amount to nothing and they know this. Otherwise they'd have attacked already. They're are keenly aware they are a corrupt shithole with a Soviet-style military.
>>64650304>It'd be painfully stupid for the RussiansPutin is retarded enough to divert build ups on the border to western Europe instead of reinforcing Ukraine. I would not put it past him to back up China, it's purely gonna be a "if he feels like it" situation.
>>64649009I know and that's sad, but messing with Chyna is at least good too in my book.
>>64650316>a woman said something Japan doesn't even recognizes Taiwan as a country kek
>>64650294You mean like the ones that were routed by the houthis? Those csgs?
>>64650407He's dumb enough to do a lot of stupid things but actively adding hot war with the US to his plate is a bridge too far. I'm confident he would have already done it after the first wave of HIMARS strikes if he was that stupid. I'm sure he knows the second the US joined one way or another Ukraine is not just lost, but probably going to grow by a few oblasts once it's all over and his legacy will be the end of Russian power instead of reclaiming the USSR's territory.
>>64649613The US will invade Taiwan itself if it ever was on track to get its own nukes
>>64650515No WMDs allowed, unless you pay US!
>>64650316Not real threatening looking.
>82 HIMARS>420 ATACMSEven if they're paid, they did this to also fuck over Ukraine.
Getting a shitload sub SeaBabies and as much AD as possible would be more useful though.
64650547Would
>>64650453>>64650547Clearly threatening enough for them to have a meltie
>>64650515Taiwan and South Africa and Israel shared their nuclear program in the 70s. Israel still has their warheads and “advertises this fact with non-denials, the Saffers gave them up before the end of Apartheid to keep them out of the hands of the kaffirs, and Taiwan has said nothing for the last 35 years, however it is noted by some that certain of their conventional missile systems sure look dual use from the outside.IOW, they are probably a nuclear armed power with a minimum effective deterrent strategy like China had before fears about THAAD motivated them to ramp up ballistic missile capacity.
>>64650189>China is way bigger of a threat than RussiaIt's stupidity not seeing how both are connected. China recently told the EU they have no interest in letting Russia lose this war. So the best way for the US to harm China would be to make sure Russia loses this war.
>>64649003>The ATACMS has more than enough range to hit all the ports and factories in Fujian, and can hit ports in QuanzhouConsidering russian interception rates of ATACMS, these 420 rockets will amount to about 40 successful strikes. Less, if the chink air defense is more dense or better than russian AD (which it likely is). And before you go nuh uh, its data from Rusi.
>>64650942I agree, but the Europeans need to see and be made to acknowledge this too before we consider helping to solve it. They didn't give a flying fuck about Russian natural gas in 2021, and they don't give a flying fuck about total industrial dependence on China in 2025. When that changes, I hope we help crush Putin. Until that changes, we need to stay focused on the Pacific war we're all still funding hand over fist like absolute retards.
>>64649551>even 1000 cruise missiles cant change that. china is just too big.Ukraine intercepts about 95% of russian cruise missiles. 1000 cruise missiles would amount to 50 hits.
>>64649771Yes, ATACMS is a ballistic missile, Khinzal/Iskander are highly manuverable which ATACMS isnt. America has a powerful lobbyist against long range ground launched precision guided muntions called "US Air Force" which views any attempt to introduce modern missiles to the army as a murderous attempt on the air force budget for deep strike attackers. The PrSM is a tiny little glide vehicle with a warhead of 200 pounds - coincidentally the same as for unitary warhead MLRS including GMLRS. Its not a replacement for a 2000 pound JDAM, hence its acceptable. Meanwhile, Iskander/Khinzal has a 1700 pound warhead.
>>64651144"ATACMS is a maneuvering... not a ballistic missile"https://youtu.be/Ipr_hPAcR_Q?t=24
attack'em!? I barely know'em!
>>64650547>Xi feels threaten from this non-threatening womanOH NO NO NO CHINKBROS WHAT DO WE DO???
>>64651168It does not use manuvering as a way to dodge interceptor missiles. The manuvering is minimal, to set the missile on course and then to pull at nose up maneuver to gain extra range by gliding (which coincidentally makes it more vulnerable to interception because it trades speed for range). ATACMS a micro-Pershing from the 1980s.
>>64651144>khinzal/iskander are highly maneuverableincorrect, they are in fact not maneuverable at all, which the ATACMS is, to a degree.i know ziggers tried to shill it as a hypersonic glide vehicle anon, but khinzal is literally just the 2nd stage of a shitty soviet SRBM from the 80's, it's shit and it's not surprising that it gets shot down all the time.
>>64651194>it does not use maneuvering as a way to dodge interceptor missilesthe khinzal does not, yes, but ATACMS does, it intentionally picks a different initial ballistic arc and the defending missile system has to waste a bunch of energy changing course once it veers back on target or just doesn't have the energy at all.
>>64651144It's not because of a lobby, it's because air launched ordnance has many advantages of over ground launched, except price of course, which is why poorfag nations need to cope with ground launched systems.
reminder to thirdies that ATACMS is superior in every way to khinzal.
>>64650942>China recently told the EU they have no interest in letting Russia lose this warsource?
>>64651521Put what you quoted into your preferred search engine and click any of the newspaper links it spits out?
>>64650547>Not real threatening lookingLol. Remember seeing this one floating around before Ukraine kicked off
>>64651728Of all the pics in the history of teh interwebs, this is a contender for the one that aged the most poorly.>gulagslop propaganda>chuds>not even once
>>64651728this is one of the ones that aged the most poorly lmfao
>>64650832Rather provacative verbage, perhaps it was mistranslated?
>>64649613there's always one nuclear idiotThere are CCP spies and moles in every branch of government and military. This shit would never get close to a working prototype before it is exposed and sabotaged from the inside
>>64651192>hot sushi mammaShe will clip your bonsai bush, if you know what I mean!
>>64650189>China is way bigger of a threat than RussiaYes mainly because whatever happens in the Whitehouse will be on Xis desk via Moscow within minutes thanks to the comrades installed there with no background checks
>>64651761Honestly at this point I’m glad the white population of America is being replaced, if white America was dumb enough to vote for Trump then Europe will have a much better ally once they’re replaced with other races.
>>64651753>Rather provacative verbage, perhaps it was mistranslated?no
>>64650942Jesus Christ, why do people have such a difficult time understanding Chinese foreign policy ideology?China is non-interventionist. This includes “intervening with a second party’s war because a first party (Europe) is making angry noises that you’re not intervening to stop it.”China is not allied with Russia in that they want to see Russia start wars and win so they can vicariously feel they’ve also somehow participated and won. They’re officially against the war. However, unlike the West they can respect a country’s sovereignty. Russia feeling they want to invade Ukraine is just not China’s business, and they’re not going to rearrange their economy just because Europe believes that China’s economy is Europe’s business.Western leaders act as though they are the rightful kings of China and that the PRC is just a difficult middleman to be browbeaten into submission. China does not believe they are the kings of anyone except China. (they include Taiwan under “China”)This “respecting sovereignty” is categorically different the Western imperialist mindset. If you treat the Chinese as though they’re the same as Western imperialists, just Eastern ones, you’re going to fundamentally misunderstand China.
>>64651771>>64651784They are not imperialist, they just have rightful claims to all their neighbors territorial waters, to India's border provinces and to all the World's fisheries.
>>64651728Kek. Thought middle guy was buried by the Israelis but apparently he's retired and runs a charity now, so good for him.
>>646517849 dash line dabs on your silly chink propaganda
>>64651784How does the CCP's attempts to police the Han Chinese diaspora figure into this world view? Not trying to agitate, just curious.
>>64650479No Western country is ever invading Russian territory. You know very well that whatever chimpout Russia does, it'll be met with a "moderate response".
>>64649003ATACMS basically makes China's amphibious ambitions go away. The Barracuda 500s are also pretty nice for what they cost.
>>64649613Agreed and they did try a few decades ago but someone on the inside revealed it to the Americans who stopped it.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chang_Sen-i
>>64649014The "delete China's amphibious landing hopes and dreams" strategy.
>>64649613Nukes are too politically risky. It would be less of a gamble to put a 50,000 man USMC base on the island, take it over militarily, and have it declared a U.S. territory.
>64652001Weirdest bait I've seen in a while.
>>64650304>>With what?Hydrocarbons. Various raw resources. Nukes.
>>64652009Russia’s nukes don’t work, and the only path to deliver resources is through Siberia which doesn’t have the infrastructure for it
>>64651789>picThe ONLY two people in that pic that had any real military experience before becoming defense ministers are the chinaman and the persian.The persian was promoted via corruption, and his only real job was so sell Iranian military hardware. He has since been forcibly retired.The chinaman was not only forcibly retired and demoted, he was kicked out of the communist party and publicly shamed for extreme corruption.The dutch/german bitch is currently head of the EU.The only one in this pic that's even vaguely ethnically russian is the dutch defense minister who is of mixed russian/swedish ancestry.As to Shoigu, not only is he not ethnically russian, he has no military background of any kind. He just started wearing a general's uniform when he was appointed as the national minister of defense.Yeah, the eurowomen may not be military, but neither is the russian. And the persian and chinaman were, despite being from extremely corrupt countries, corrupt to the extent that they ended up getting fired/disgraced.The entire propaganda pic is just ultra-shallow slop-tier propaganda meant to appeal to <70IQ actual retards to take one look at a pic and make up their minds without actually looking deeper than the shallowest layer imaginable.
>>64651784>respect a country's sovereignty
>>64651784Implessive.
>>64651784However, unlike the West they can respect a country’s sovereignty.What have you been smoking
>>64650547>tfw bedded hag asian womenThey're still tight.
>>64651753No, it's verbatim.
>>64650025lol chinky boy having an absolute meltyit would be so funny to see you crying about the tens of thousands of chinks getting blown up and drowning in a potential invasion attempt
>>64649014 lol west taiwan jets .
>>64649003Great we're all sexless and in poverty and they're plotting to send us into WW3 as they try to turn us trans.
>>64650547 Funny how xinnie the pooh is malding over her comment.
>>64651786>If you don't agree with our imperialist allocations that makes you an imperialistThe definition of "imperialism" is not "having disagreements with your neighbors."
>>64650025They already did that
>>64651753Chinks always talk like that, they are a very insecure people
>>64651784I'm not sure what's crazier, that the chinese government is shameless enough to say something like this or that tgere are people in this world dumb enough to believe it
>>64649003420 ATACMS missiles can do a whole lot of damage to amassing troops on the Chinese coastlines. All I know is it would suck to be Taiwanese in a war but it would REALLY suck to be a PLA soldier.
>>64652462You're off by an order of magnitude. Taiwan's going to see columns of PLA soldiers prepping for an invasion and is going to flatten them however possible. We might see nukes used in war for the first time in 80 years.
