france is actually developing a quad cold launched vls systemhttps://x.com/NavyRecognition/status/1999835417638506545
>>64649421Cargo Cult.
If (you) were Macron, how would (you) name this new system?
>>64649486I'd start with deciding on a stupid acronym and go from there.
>>64649421>more missiles>it's just smaller tubes squeezed into the same space
>>64649421>cold launchedAs opposed to hot launched?
>>64649773Exactly.
>>64649773Cold launch - missile flops out of the vls cell via compressed gas then ignites its motor Hot launch - missile ignites its motor in the cell and flies out
>>64649792What's the benefit?
>>64649797Cold launch is more complexHot launch is simple Both have their uses There's a restriction for hot launch. You can't really hot launch a large missile without it destroying the launch cell, due to the hot exhaust. US trident slbm for example uses a cold launchhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aaO2Jrg6P_IWith cold launch, if the rocket motor fails to ignite, the whole missile comes back down and ruins your day. See all the russian s300 failureshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cikuNhTjCe8
>>64649797Hot launch requires heaver cell that can withstand motor exhaust pressure and temperature and need pass to vent gasses out.Cold launch cells can be flimsier and lighter and packed closer as they don't need gas escape pass.
>>64649872>Hot launch requires heaver cell that can withstand motor exhaust pressure and temperature and need pass to vent gasses outThanks for that post, I've always wondered how VLS cells worked internally but never enough to actually go find out.>>64649486>If (you) were Macron, how would (you) name this new system?Le gode de Marianne
>>64649486He loves Napoleon or some shit right?So like, Belle Filles or something
>>64649421Fucking finally. SYLVER's greatest flaw is the lack of a lightweight quad-packed missile. CAMM-ER doesn't fit (too wide), regular CAMM doesn't have a sufficiently good price/performance ratio (to be worth developing into a quad-pack), and MBDA FR can't seem to be arsed to make a VL-MICA NG variant with folding fins (as of yet, anyway).
>>64649986>CAMM-ER doesn't fit (too wide), regular CAMM doesn't have a sufficiently good price/performance ratio (to be worth developing into a quad-packRead article.These cold launchers are for CAMM and CAMM-ER. Other missiles would stat with old launchers, it's 3 modules on ship they would swap 1-2 for new cold launch module.
>>64649421>cold launchedDoes it use springs that go BOYOING?
>>64649486>If (you) were Macron, how would (you) name this new system?>>64649486>start with deciding on a stupid acronymle MILFmultiple intermediate log flinger
>>64649421Sexo design
>>64650105>majestic>intercontinental>launcher >of france ?
>>64649869>Cold launch is more complex>Hot launch is simpleIt's the opposite...
does anyone have footage of eryx launch fail? now that will happen onboard, missile falling onto main deck
>>64650620hot launch is just more steel
>>64650620>Hot launch has the possibility of the missile failing to release and needing to flood the launcher>Cold launch has the possibility of the motor not igniting and the missile flopping out onto the deckPick your poison.
>>64650045>These cold launchers are for CAMM and CAMM-ER. Ah, pity, I had hoped they went with creating a proper ground-launched MICA (with folding fins), instead of a hasty conversion of the aerial one. Still, it's a good step forward. What they need next is a launcher which can hold more than 8 Mistrals, to replace the ancient Sadral in the close-range VSHORAD role.
>>64650846>eryx launch failOver 9000 hours of googling laterhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-L4t3FOxW0
>>64651190Failing to release shouldn't be an issue with proper design
>>64649421Frog here, I wouldn't say it's a bad frigate, but I am absolutely IRRATE at the neverending chain of political abdications and military concessions that made us inherit a frigate that has less range than FREMM, abysmal magazine depth, next to no growth potential, and that not only is meh by itself, but we won't even have more of them to benefit from some scale economy and class commonality. The Chief of Navy said that now that he's likely to have more budget he wants something more capable after the batch of 5 hulls, which is an implicit admition the FDI doesn't fit the navy's needs.The only thing even worse than having a class of individualy lacking frigates is having a class of individualy lacking frigates in such low number the function collapse point for the class is at one combat loss. Worse of all, with the 9m hull insert that was planned from the start as an option, a less archaic propulsion and a few additions here and there it would make for something vastly more potent and it is just. Not. There. Because somehow after investing into all those embedded systems, our Lords and masters decided steel is expensive.Also, I laugh at Naval Group for developping yet another not-universal VLS. Unfuck the Sylver family already.Have a picture for tolerating my rant.>>64651556>a launcher which can hold more than 8 Mistrals, to replace the ancient Sadral in the close-range VSHORAD roleIn the works, for 4 modules of either 4 Mistral, 20-ish airburst rockets, 150mm decoys, surface to surface missiles, etc... Seems like a lot of effort "just" to lauch Mistrals when the vastly more potent RAM exists. But maybe the endless possible variations of ammunitions make it worth it.WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON WITH CAPTCHA????
>>64650216>of franceA FRANCE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE
>>64649486Charles de Gaulle
>>64649486le systeme JUPITER
>>64649486FLOU FLA FLEE FLOU
>>64656724>a frigate that has less range than FREMM, abysmal magazine depth, next to no growth potential In fairness, the FDI is a literal frigate, not a light destroyer like FREMM. It's basically a La Fayette class replacement. >Worse of all, with the 9m hull insert that was planned from the start as an option, a less archaic propulsion and a few additions here and there it would make for something vastly more potent What are/were the plans for an enhanced (or Plus) version of the FDI? >Seems like a lot of effort "just" to lauch Mistrals when the vastly more potent RAM exists. Mistral is sufficient for the missile VSHORAD role. RIM-116 is more capable, but also twice as expensive. Which makes it a worse choice for engaging drones. Mistral's only issue is the low capacity of existing launch platforms. The modular multipurpose countermeasures launcher would alleviate this somewhat, at least when one of several emplaced on a ship is dedicated to holding Mistrals.
>>64655640Then Mk.41 is designed incorrectly because it's designed to flood the cell in the case of a launch failure.
As a frog I dont understand our strategic goals, power projection to defend our nigger islands from who? China? if they want them we cant do anything about it, that leaves only Brazil as a credible overseas threat so we have to finance carrier groups in case Brazil wants to annex Guyana while Russia is annexing the biggest country in Europe
Recently I spend a lot of time reading up on VLS.They're surprisingly complex, it's not trivial to find even accurate sizes for all in-service systems.There are fundamental differences like cold vs hot launch, and cold launch allows not only for lighter VLS due to thinner modules, but also denser packing since you do not need hot gas exhaust vents.I noticed that the chinese pack a lot more usable VLS missile volume per tonnage into their ships, and wondered how the fuck they do it.One factor is the USN autism with damage control. Everything is redundant, everything is on a rubber shock mount, and all the damage control gear is manually operated like it's WW2 because hurr durr automation could fail. This eats a lot of space (especially crew quarters).Other nations automate more, DC less, and save space for weapons.Combined with modern cold launch, that seems to explain the disparity between tonnage and usable VLS volume, which on especially japanese or chinese ships is 1.5-2x greater than US ships.Very interesting doctrinal differences one can assemble when looking at such details.
>>64649486JUPITER:JOYEUXULTIMEPUISSANCEINTEROPERATIONALETERRIFIQUEETRAPIDEJoyous Ultimate Power: Interoperable, Terrific, and Rapid.>>64657037this guy gets it.JUPITER, LE ROI D'UNIVERS!https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZqMIUoeubLILE ROI DANSE!
>>64657449forgot pic
>>64657448>recently [chinkshill shit]
>>64657441France still hasn't accepted they are now a regional power rather than global/colonial one, much like the bongs. Their navies are literally just to keep up the appearance of relevance.
>>64649486L'exterminateur
>>64656724im pretty sure your country is gonna upgrade yours to the hellenic spec which is what it should have being in the first placesecond of all tho i cant remember the name i know for a fact that some months ago they leaked a design with a 40+ meters compartment module upgrade so yes at some point it will get an upgrade in general
>>64649486FILSDEPUTE>Frégate d'Intervention Legere Sachant DEtecter les Position UTilisées par l'Enemi.
>>64657522Yawn.Both those navies could not, by definition, be regional. They have permanently out of region based ships and bases.
>>64650089that's spring launch. They are trying to develop winter launch system
>>64657873anon, you were supposed to name the boat, not the president> t. Macron explosion
>>64657522Then do r*ssians still seethe to this day, about not receiving their precious Mistral ship, because of their 2014 chimp-out?
>>64658051they literally designed and built their own why would they seethe
>>64658061>they literally designed and built their ownCan we see it?
