Why didn't soviets develop their own 6.5 ammo so they could continue producing Fedorov?
>>64652342Or why didn't they make an SkS that takes AK mags?
>300 blk (an undoubtedly intermediate cartridge) can fire a 140gr bullet at 2150fps out of a 16in barrel>7.62x39 (an undoubtedly intermediate cartridge) can fire a 150gr bullet at 2200fps out of a 20in barrel>6.5 Grendel (an undoubtedly intermediate cartridge) can fire a 140gr bullet at 2300fps out of a 20in barrel>the fedorov, with its select fire and 25rd detachable box magazine, isn't the first assault rifle because a 139gr bullet at 2180fps out of a 20in barrel isn't intermediate cartridge ballisticsWhy do people hate on Russian ingenuity so much?
>>64652395>7.62×35mm>7.62×39mm>6.5×38mm>6.5×50mmSR it's a mystery, reddit
>>64652342No pistol grip + foregrip Ultimate combo
>>64652342because the fedorov was a bad gun, intended for a machine gun role but would destroy itself through regular automatic fire
>>64652395Its not intermediate if you're a malnourished asian.I still lol that ivan got bfto so hard by the japs that they decided to design a rifle around 6.5arisaka
>>64652395>why don't we heap laurels upon the russians for a rifle that sucked donkey dick
>>64652342The Russians were a bit busy in 1917
>>64652606But enough about Putin.
>call a russian gun bad>zigger has a meltykek. the Ak47 is shit too
>>64652617>>64652635post guns and passports hoholsThe fedorov was the best assault rifle for a quarter century. Sorry a Russian being noteworthy triggers you and your literal who country
>>64652748the fedorov is a shitty battle rifle and russians are retarded. cope and seethe, /pol/troon.
>>64652748>>64652342Why is no one making simialr nowadays? Besides Mini14
>>64652342They only had 6.5 because the Japs were selling it to them. Once the commies took over they stopped getting imports and besides the Fedorov was expensive and complicated. They experimented with intermediates like everyone else during the interwar, but didn't consider it worthwhile.
>>64652342How dare you suggest that Tsarist Tsuperstition is superior to Soviet Science! Class traitor! Enemy of the Revolution! Guards!
>>64652342Probably because they wanted to streamline their production and didn't want to devote any of their burgeoning industry towards making a foreign ammo type for one gun. >>64652493And like this anon said, they had a better lmg in the DP-27
>>64652342same reason they started SVT production before Barbarossa but (more or less) switched back to mosins the minute onkel adi pulled his no u card
>>64653066>No detachable box magazineNope
>>64652606>6mm/.222 magnum (6x47mm)Except it's a 5.7mm diameter, not 6mm. Not to mention bullet weights and pressures are vastly different between .222 and 6x47 lapua.Stop being intentionally misleading.
>>64652342>Why didn't soviets develop their own 6.5 ammo so they could continue producing Fedorov?wasnt the federov complex and expensive to produce? Also making one gun and ammo just for it is not logistics friendly and is also again expensive
>>64652395>139gr bullet at 2180fpsActually ammo he working in committee developed before WWI was 6.5x57 round3150 fps 125 grains 3843 joules. Pic related.6.5 arisaka was a cope because RE couldn't start production of Fedorov's round so he adopted only 6.5 mm available.But his vision wasn't weak and short intermediate round for pussies. His vision was Chad NGSW 100 years ahead of the NGSW.
>erm ackshually the doohickey mcfarlane kilbong from 1892 was the first assault rifle>no it never worked>no it was never produced in the double digits>no it was never seriously inspected by any ordnance board>no it was never intended to be loaded with spare magazines>no its cartridge wasn't intermediate>no it was never used in combat>no it was never intended to be a personal weapon>no it was never going to be used any differently than a Lewis anyways>but it was still the first assault rifle because I said so and I'm smarter than youIf I close my eyes, I can pretend I'm at a nail salon in the hood being lectured by empowered blaqq women.
>>64652606You first faggot
>>64653476>neck 222 Magnum up to 6mm >it's still 5.7mmbased retardSame bullet weight, same pressure, same action length>>64653522Based cartridge too bad they adopted a smaller intermediate cartridge for the rifle>>64653680hohol jannies seething
>>64653522If he wanted to give it full power ammo, wouldn't rimless 7.62x54 be the simpliest solution? But it seems like Russians are incapable of even thinking about it and they still use rimmed ammo in 21th
>>64653757He probably couldn't design a gun around a round this big. His direct inspiration that he was copying was the chauchat and his gun was meant to be used in the exact same way.
>>64653734>too bad they adopted a smaller intermediate cartridgeNot even the most krokodil addled vatniggers consider 6.5 Japanese an intermediate cartridge, shitskin.
>>64653772I don't care what the risk is consider it. It's weaker than 6.5 Grendel; it's certainly not a full-power rifle cartridge
>>64653757>If he wanted to give it full power ammo, wouldn't rimless 7.62x54 be the simpliest solutionCommittee run tests of several rounds of 6-7 mm caliber, with different case sizes.6.5x57 was found as having most advantage over 7.62x54R. if you make new round why don't make it better than previous?
>>64652748If you do manage to reproduce, any "Russian" cultural aspect or Russophone knowledge of your line will still evaporate from your kids. Russia will still die at your point in the line.
>>64653680I laffed. This war is as funny as it is morbid because of the internet and meme culture.
>>64653811anon I want you to pull up just about any full-power rifle cartridge from pre-1900you'll find maybe a handful of cartridges that fit your definitionyou are a certified actual retard for comparing a cartridge made in 2003 vs a cartridge made 106 years prior
>>64653734>Same bullet weight, same pressure, same action lengthExcept it isn't, why are you lying
>>64652342They already had a gorillion rounds of 6.5 Jap in inventory, and by the sounds of it, the Fedarov was kinda meh anyways.
>>64656749Both are short action cartridges. You could cram them both into an AR-15 if you really wanted to but it's not ideal Both are limited in pressure by the material properties of brass to 63ksi. Both are wildcats without standardized specificationsBoth use the same 6mm projectiles. You're not getting factory ammo for either so the choice is up to the reloader for bullet weightWhy do you speak about things which you know nothing about?
