Russian tanker in Mediterranean sea is being hunted by Ukrainian bomber drones. According to first source that report about this attack Russian GRU Major-General has been killed during the attack, they were using it as launching pad for drones over Europe
How did they manage to get a grenade-dropping drone all the way into the Mediterranean?
>>64654171Alsmost as mysterious as the origin of the drones spying on yuro stuff. I guess we will never know.
>>64654162Based. TZD
>>64654162Was it sunk
>>64654162a GRU major general? now that is a feather in Budanov's cap
>>64654207Don't think so. But I think a lot of pipe stuff is destroyed
>>64654212mad about your thread getting deleted?
>>64654212You are brown
>>64654212cope
>>64654171The Bosphorus is only closed to ships
>>64654171It gets better. Onboard was the head of GRU Unit 29155, which is responsible for drone flights over EU air space, murder of Sergei Skripal in UK in 2018. And other sabotage attacks on EU.But now, he's dead.
>>64654212>if I keep posting it it will become trueDo turdies really?
>>64654224Oh I'm sure the details about that generals presence were leakedjust not by he Russians
>>64654224>>64654230
>>64654212Funnily enough this guy has been seething all morning but we've had no toropets. Funny that.
>>64654241>morning Ehy are Eastern euro noguns so fond of this board?
>>64654230Big if true, but remember that Nevzorov says a lot of clickbait shit.
>>64654249
>>64654224>>64654230This stinks of the perfidious anglo to methe dude murders Crown subjects on Crown soil, and the Ukrainians just happen to learn of his location at such a time as to ensure a death at sea? No way is that a coincidence
>>64654212>€90 billion for Ukrainehttps://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025/12/19/european-council-18-december-2025-ukraine/
>>64654249>Eastern euro>nogunsLmao, those niggers got guns up the wazoo
>>64654270>90 billion over 2 years>financed by debtDo they want ukraine to lose? America has been pumping hundreds of billions into ukraine each year
>>64654277
>>64654249Russia and it's colony Belarus are the only noguns places in Eastern Europe my seething brown friend.
>>64654272Nigga
>>64654171>How did they manage to get a grenade-dropping drone all the way into the Mediterranean?It was powered by hatred of JD Vance in Europe mixed with baguettes and sauerkraut
>>64654281Poland has lowest rate of gun ownership in the world.
>>64654283Yeah what's that a real map for before you changed the title?
>>64654230>It gets better. Onboard was the head of GRU Unit 29155, which is responsible for drone flights over EU air space, murder of Sergei Skripal in UK in 2018. And other sabotage attacks on EU.MI6 does it again.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7O1_0hikl-A&list=RD7O1_0hikl-ANobody does it better.
>>64654286>Immediate seething about Poland out of nowhereLol
>>64654298You're subhuman lol>>64654292Subhuman retardhttps://jakubmarian.com/number-of-guns-per-capita-in-europe/
>>64654268Jap- uh I mean - Ukrainain torpedo bo - uh I mean - drones?>>64654270In MY Mediterranean?
>>64654212If the Russians were using it as a launchpad for drones across Europe, they'd have an officer in charge. They've got like a million major generals because of their bloated officer corps, so it stands to reason they'd send one.
>>64654230>It gets better. Onboard was the head of GRU Unit 29155, which is responsible for drone flights over EU air space, murder of Sergei Skripal in UK in 2018. And other sabotage attacks on EU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0FcOPb-9rESalty EU UK spooks, now they don;t tell Americans what they are doing so it does not get leaked to the kremlin
>>64654302His map only counts registered firearms. But you don't have to register a firearm in Poland. NIGGER.
>>64654294>>It gets better. Onboard was the head of GRU Unit 29155, which is responsible for drone flights over EU air space, murder of Sergei Skripal in UK in 2018. And other sabotage attacks on EU.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isAUOa50wdA>>64654294>MI6 does it again.
>>64654230Hahahaha, yes!
>>64654230>It gets better. Onboard was the head of GRU Unit 29155, which is responsible for drone flights over EU air space, murder of Sergei Skripal in UK in 2018. And other sabotage attacks on EU.>But now, he's dead.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DIYUmsm2N0Iso it was a drone carrier?
>>64654258He also reported about this attack before anyone else
>>64654230fuck with the EUZ, get the UAV
>>64654294>MI6Perfidious Anglo-saxons
>>64654171starlink
>>64654342>fuck with the EUZ, get the UAVhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jo_-KoBiBG0>>64654309>Salty EU UK spooks, now they don;t tell Americans what they are doing so it does not get leaked to the kremlin
>>64654212If there is something an intelligence officer would never ever do, it is to use civilian assets to conceal his activities.
>>64654162But I thought the Euros were cucks scared of muh escalation .
>>64654212I always liked how Chechnya isn’t included.
BOAT TOUCHING CRESTS
>>64654230I love this shit, hope the Kremlin leadership is dumb and stubborn enough to keep this clown show going
>>64654424SBU and GUR should hunt down all the puccian faggots in europe one by one, now that I'd pay to see
>>64654435>SBU and GUR should hunt down all the puccian faggots in europe one by one, now that I'd pay to seewho says they don't?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HKnlo7sLfa0
>>64654374you do realise that russia is a federation right?a federation made from autonomous statesliterally the whole of russia is just a shitload of autonomous regions even the jews have one there
>>64654462I already know, I was the one who posted it up top >>64654224
>>64654281>Finland statsIt all makes sense now.
>>64654498tappaa ryssä :DDDDD
>>64654480Russia is a federation in name only.
>>64654162Brings back nostalgia.But now cyberpunk version.
>>64654171>>64654230Really wished EU and Britain would do more stuff like this. Fuck letting russians have a free rein on their shadow navy
>>64654249>MUH GUNZso, are you about to use them on your government any time soon or keep geting fucked in silence?
>>64654162Yeah but it was hohol pow general
nowhere is safe
>>64654601>MAKS nafo on twitter said something Why does this guy keep getting shilled here?
>>64654610>'said something'>images showing it
>>64654611Post the image yourself then? Posting a screenshot of some literary who rando on twitter doesn't make tour statement any more credible
>>64654552Every drone attack performed by Ukraine rolls back to the training program the Bongs set up years ago to train a few hundred. Basically they set up of 'battlefield' with obstacles and shit and trained them to navigate it and then went>okay now go and spread thisWhich they did. I assume people still train there and combine with experience, but it's a very useful skill. But I agree, the Bongs have a personal reason to help but their government is cucked.
>>64654618Okay?
>>64654618lmao stfu retard.how is posting a picture with some greentext more credible than a post on X from well known people who follow the war since the start.
>>64654618>literary
>>64654610You seem upset
>>64654268It's one of those things people forget about.Some Euro agencies do not fuck around. Especially the French and British. The Baltics have crazy good cyber ops.Ireland, Germany and the Netherlands just happen to sit on some of the most important IT hubs, but they would never ever use that for anything, trust me bro.So yeah, if you happen to be a Russian GRU colonel on a tanker in the Med and did some fucking around, you might just end up on your personal Find Out arc with zero comments from everyone around, and a quiet nod to the ukies.
>>64654639malding retard
>>64654639oh look at this cute little brown man posting old memes.come on Rajesh, earn those 10 rupees. btw are you going to moscow too? Remember don't sign anything without reading carefully
>>64654639So you are phone posting but complained about the inclusion of the Twitter User and not the Imagesize.I think you suck anon. I think you are pathethic, inauthentic, and stupid.
>>64654162>year 4 of the 3 day special decartelification operation>America is being successfully blockaded by drones fired from narco subs
>>64654162Yebat route.
>>64654639go back
>>64654672you can always scoop out both your eyeballs, you can't see much of anything else afterwards but that's the breaks
seething thirdie itt
>>64654207>Was it sunkIt was a handful of grenades on an empty tanker, I don't think it's going to put holes below the top deck.It's not even going to put holes IN the top deck unless those where thermite grenades or something.An empty oil pipe ain't going to be 100% empty though, those fumes are plenty flammable so it should fuck some shit up nicely.>>64654212>a major general was on that civilian ship, you just gotta trust us broThe call is coming from inside the house, ukies haven't claimed any kills from it at all. This is purely a Russian leak.That said, I wouldn't take it seriously until Ukies confirm it.
>>64654672You're bad at pretending.
>>64654679You can barely speak english, did you get thrown out of the call center?
>>64654712>You can barely speak english, did you get thrown out of the call center?nigger are you blind? or simply pretending to be retarded?
>>64654162>Head of Russian military intelligence, General Andrei Averyanov was eliminated in a strike carried out by Ukrainian drones on a tanker.OH NO NO NO, AHAHAHAHA.
>>64654710>This is purely a Russian leak.NTA, but what would the Russians gain from claiming a high-ranking GRU officer was aboard a civillian tanker and got killed there?
>>64654770He's getting it from a ziggergram thread that speculated that the FSB/GRU rivalry escalated to the point of slipping the Ukies a tip.Personally, I'm more inclined to think that somebody went "oh, hey, this one specific boat is always right off shore when a drone shows up over an airport. I wonder what that could mean"
>>64654782>I wonder what that could meanThis is the kind of thing that, when asked by French or British spooks, actually gets ships sunk.
>>64654646>btw are you going to moscow too?Bold of you to assume he's not already there.
>>64654162Those explosive yields don't seem to really do much besides scare the crew
>>64654770If only the Tsar knew!
>>64654770>what would the Russians gain from claiming a high-ranking GRU officer was aboard a civillian tanker and got killed there?The leak isn't coming from controlled journalists, it's from an "opposition" journalist which just means someone that does their grift outside the system.Like I said, the call is coming from inside the house.The house is a little bit divided though and everyone on both sides are still a form of zigger.
>>64654162>>64654230How did they kill him with a simple grenade dropping drone?Just stay fucking inside the ship
>>64654827>How did they kill him with a simple grenade dropping drone?We don't know that they did, the primary source for the claim is not that credible and it hasn't been confirmed by anyone reliable.There's just a lot of ziggergrams and some NAFO repeating it.
>>64654827Probably wanted to watch his drones fly on their way to be a nuisance. Also probably believed the “Europe is cuckold” cope.
>>64654814enough to damage the piping and force it to go for fixing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYzXgjzKCgwThe strikes caused a huge huge fire, that's why people might have died on the tanker.
>>64654480The jews don't "have one".A piece of empty land in the ass end of Russia was named the Jewish Oblast because Stalin wanted all the jews to move there out of sight.No one did though, after the first arrivals reported that instead of finding the fresh virgin homestead they were promised they got a frigid swamp filled with nothing but mosquitos and wild anthrax.
>>64654844True. Not enough to cause it to sink, sadly enough.
>>64654230What was he doing on a tanker?
What's hilarious is that even if this supposed death is false its not the only one
>>64654844>enough to damage the piping and force it to go for fixing>>64654858>Not enough to cause it to sinkThe fire seems quite large.In any case, a sanctioned tanker is going to have trouble finding a port that will accept it for repair.>>64654860>What was he doing on a tanker?They're using the shadow fleet tankers as mobile platforms for fucking with Europe via drones, anchors dragging cables, that sort of thing.At least some of them have uniformed zigger military on board these days.
>>64654850There's no way a ship can be salvaged after a fire that big, right?
>>64654230Why the fuck would they put a general on board of a tanker? Where's the logic in that? What else besides oil were they carrying?
>>64654932>What else besides oil were they carrying?Russia has been launching the drones violating EU airspaces from commercial ships such as this one.
>>64654911>There's no way a ship can be salvaged after a fire that big, right?We really don't know.The fire seems large from a distance but it could just be burning the outgassing from a ruptured pipe and not actually be consuming the ship itself.Or the ship could be fucked, we really don't know.This seems to have happened kind of between Crete and Malta btw.>>64654932>Why the fuck would they put a general on board of a tanker? We don't really know that they did, the primary source isn't very credible.>Where's the logic in that?If it's true, >>64654850 suggests that he was trying to enter Africa discretely and I'd be nervous about taking a Russian transport aircraft to Africa, several have been shot down lately.
>>64654935>Russia has been launching the drones violating EU airspaces from commercial ships such as this one.This
>>64654286
>>64654639>phoneposter who knows twitter handles at a glance to be triggered by a user, telling anyone else to go back>>64654672You're the one chimping out about a twat user with the name mostly cropped out.
>>64654646>>64654809Grim. This is the strategic victory the monke envisioned, I suppose.
>>64654855its an autonomous region regardless of what you think about it
>>64655056It also seems to be the region with the highest % of ethnic russians.
>>64654224>Ukrainian drones calmly approached
>>64655100I mean I've never seen a drone lose its temper
>>64655276So you've never been in contact with an Indian call center worker.
>>64654230My pet schizo theory is that this is Prigozhin's revenge and we will see the CAR coup any day now.
>>64655276>I mean I've never seen a drone lose its temperThey're rampaging in Moscow currently, attacking babushkas in the streets.
>>64654238They REALLY should not have tried to poison his wife.
>>64655293>tried to poison his wifetbf they were probably trying to poison him
>>64655289they ganged up on her!
>>64654277No, no it hasn't. Try again, ziggie.
>>64654337Nice swerve attempt, but it doesn't actually work, nor does it make your earlier retardiation go away, zigger.
>>64655322fuck off retard
>>64655295>they ganged up on her!It's the drone swarm tactics we've been hearing about.
>>64655322
>>64655326The D&C tactics are really getting a work out these last day or two.
no refund
>>64655342>blacked sea fleet or meatwave
>>64654268Well duh, the country is literally called UKraine, those ukies are crypto saxons, anglo-cossacks if you will
>>64654294>MI6Mykola Ivasenko 6?
>>64654302shit juden source
>>64654162Ah yes all those Russian drone attacks on Europe will now be stopped
>>64655368How many hamsters are Europeans going to need this year?
>>64654672>gets mad>get told >"all these chimping retards..."shut the fuck up, lmao
>>64655295>they ganged up on her!It's Russia; they're not the first gang to have her face down ass up.
>>64655370just two more years until europe freezes and starves
>>64655342>get sent to die over a depopulated and UXO contaminated Ukrainian hamletor>get sent to die over a UXO contaminated and depopulated Ukrainian hamletA challenging choice.
>>64655289Good suspension
>>64655368>Russian drone attacksHuh? What Russian drone attacks? Russia has denied all allegations that they have anything to do with it. What are you implying? This was a Ukrainian military operation that has nothing to do with domestic European policy. Or defense.
>>64655393>Good suspensionYou mean the UGV, not the babushka, right?They probably anticipated that people would sit or stand on it.
>>64655328It's interesting to see the relatively small scale of the drones used and the fact that they appear to be fpv rather than larger long range types Ukraine has. Is there an unsuspecting supermax cargo ship that popped a crate on deck somewhere nearby?
>>64655388>russia claims Europe will freeze!>Mfw meanwhile i'm sitting in Scandinavia and it looks like we aren't even going to even have snow this christmasFucking hell. We could freeze just a little bit.
>>64655406Yeah. I like how it bounced back up and then went "I drive, cyka"
>>64655416Those ads were funny
>>64655466thank you. the full version was actually pretty hard to find on youtube.
>>64655416this year they claim we have no electricity because it's too expensive lmao
>>64654182Turning the same people who operates /chug/ into fertilizer would be a net benefit for humanity.
>>64655416Here in Croatia it's 16 celsius. Very hot for this time of the year. Interestingly a look at /pol/ showcases that Russian shills are panicky and agitated again so even the current 90 billion finance package seems to have caused them dismay.
Fresh Kino incoming
>>64655416Not a European, but this winter is kicking my ass in Texas. We had a freeze warning monday and was nearly 80F yesterday. The variance is rough
>>64654238>Smile Budanov>I am smiling
>>64654326
>>64655489Electricity in my area currently costs about half of what it cost last year. Gasoline and Diesel fuel are also really cheap, approaching 2020 prices. Adjusted for inflation, automotive fuel hasn't been this cheap since like 2012.Meanwhile the ruskies are freezing, rationing fuel, and taking 2-year instant loans with insane interest rates to buy loaves of bread....
>>64654162This whole scenario is cool. It's like soemthing out of a movie or spy novel. Secret tanker that's actually a drone carrier under the command of an evil glowie, and then and operation to take it out covertly, more or less. Ukie operation is based and ruskies are based in this case for playing the villain so well.
>>64655540God is punishing you for electing a president that simps for Russia.
>>64655514>30 minutes ago
>>64654283
>>64655514>Fresh Kino incomingHadn't seen that yet, who are you subbed to?>>64655417>Yeah. I like how it bounced back up and then went "I drive, cyka"I laughed too, just russian things>>64655409>It's interesting to see the relatively small scale of the drones used and the fact that they appear to be fpv rather than larger long range types Ukraine has. Is there an unsuspecting supermax cargo ship that popped a crate on deck somewhere nearby?I'm positive you meant to quote >>64654162 but anyway.That's possible but I think they'd just use a ship that's friendly to Ukraine.Some might have a Ukrainian owner or lessee, or a Ukrainian crew but the easy way is for the SBU to just buy or lease a ship through a shell company and do whatever they want with it.They can assume that they're safe to use RF because these tankers sometimes get searched so they don't carry entire EW suites, just what they need for their mission and that can be stowed.The video is clearly a nade dropper drone but there's a lot of nades dropped so maybe a vampire or two with a carousel of nades, plus at least two observation mavik-class FPVs to film it.You could run this op off a decent sized leisure yacht probably.If you didn't mind being a bit cramped, a 40' cat could carry about eight crew and a cabin dedicated to drones and tools.Use three vampires, two as bombers and one as repeater.A couple of observer drones.The ordinance.The gear isn't that much space, just fly it to Greece or wherever in on a military flight with diplomatic status and put it on a boat and sail out of their waters.Or do it through NATO channels and sail out of say, Gibraltar or Malta with NATOs unofficial blessing and official disinterest, then it's game on.>>64655584>Electricity in my area currently costs about half of what it cost last year.That's because we only get half of it, pic related.
>>64655584>Meanwhile the ruskies are freezingI wish, it's not cold enough there >>64655600 is from 2023But winter is just starting, maybe in a month or two they'll be popsicles.
>>64655610>>64655514And now we know.>Reports indicate that a Russian Project 22460 patrol ship “Myslyvets” was struck.
>>64655514They probably have no way to reliably stop any attack in Crimea and the Black Sea now. Lost too many radars, AWACS, AA... It's escalating too, they hit like two planes and several boats in the past 10 days.
>>64655676What's the best drone payload to hit a ship with if it's not going to be enough to sink it? Frag? Thermite?
>>64655416>Bulgaria>lowest temp 1C>highest 14CGuess i'll be busting out the fan again this year.
>>64655690EFP/shallow HEAT. Any HE-frag damage in drone payload sizes is ultimately superficial, a penetrating charge aimed through the hull at the engines or fuel tanks can wreck the ship with a fire. Of course, a poorly-aimed EFP just means there's a goofy hole going through the hull of the ship.
>>64655686And that's a good thing!
>>64655709>tfw want to pin down negev-chan and use my uncut cock to deflower her
>>64654162>>64654171Those damn Japanese torpedo boats, now they can even fly!
>>64655709I want an Israel-first Democrat. But such a thing cannot happen anymore.
>>64655600>god hates fags
>>64655720Best youre gonna get is a dementia riddled octogenarian Israel firster like Biden
>>64655690Willie Pete
>>64655724Would still be better than Trump.
>>64655705FP-2 has 105 KG warhead, I wouldn't call 105 against patrol ship being superficial
>>64655741My bad, I was thinking ~10 kilos. With that charge just go for a delay-fuze HE-frag like the big boys
>>64655736
>>64655736Well it wasnt.
>>64654171Hear me out...
>>64655759I disagree.
>>64655690>What's the best drone payload to hit a ship with if it's not going to be enough to sink it?If it's a metal deck then probably HEAT.If it's not, then maybe thermite, maybe HE/frag. They'd both fuck up any boat not made of metal.
>>64655763I'm a little concerned about the clearance between the MLRS and the wing but I'm sure you'll work out the kinks in the field.
>>64655763NURSESPARKY'S OUT AGAIN
>>64655781it supposed be the drone carrier version but there wasn't good image of that one
>>64655769Because I made a bet that the first female POTUS would be a TradCath Latina NeoCon and I intend to win that bet.
>>64655763Go to bed Mike.
>>64655592It's like a video game villain, where they've mastered the evil looks and the evil plans and have all those scary moves, but they're actually really easy to beat.They're only evil so that you don't feel too bad beating up tards. >>64655626Wasn't the boat struck near Greece? The turks might've been involved, they have plenty of reasons and they don't really care about human rights or conventions. >>64655690I'm thinking termite given how poor their damage control is.
>>64655796>Because I made a bet that the first female POTUS would be a TradCath Latina NeoCon and I intend to win that bet.Then find one and become their campaign manager.
>>64654230>murder of Sergei Skripal in UK in 2018Sergei didn’t die, he and his daughter got fucked up by the nerve agent but managed to make a recovery. Iirc it was a random police officer who died from being exposed directly to the rag that was covered in the stuff or something like that
>>64655825>I'm thinking termite given how poor their damage control is.A lump of thermite on a steel deck isn't going to do that much.Maybe melt through a deck, probably not two and it could be attacked by just dumping water on it to cool it. You'd probably need full suits to handle the steam but it would work.>>64655825>Wasn't the boat struck near Greece? The turks might've been involvedOther side of Greece and the Turks probably don't want to be so directly involved. Though I suppose anything's possible with the watermelon seller.Really, they'd go to Greece and work from there. I only said Gibralter because it's funny to imagine the anglos are involved.The BBC article has a surprising level of carefully explained detail.https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cpwkp5qkkjxt
Ukraine needs to buy a few of these from Italy and go full retard in the med: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cosmos-class_submarine
>>64655690I think it would be funny to hit one with a drone full of hydrazine, straight to the bridge
>>64655872>Iirc it was a random police officer who died from being exposed directly to the rag that was covered in the stuff or something like thatOr something like that.The PC survived, there was one more exposure and a death in a nearby village though.The assassins carried the agent in a perfume bottle but didn't dispose of it carefully. It isn't known what happened but it was in its box looking like a new bottle of perfume when some chav found it dumpster diving and gave it to his wife.She died, the chav survived.> (i cri ery time)He says he can't remember where he found it though he's ruled some places out, he was fucked up by it and probably in a coma for a while so lack of memory isn't unlikely but I sort of think he stole it from somewhere, like they stashed it in a luggage storage to be collected by another glowie and the chav thought he was stealing someone's suitcase. It's literally the start of a spy movie plot.The cop that was exposed was in a forensic suit at the Skripal house and still got fucked up by it, his family lost their home and all its contents because of contamination.
>>64655890>Ukraine needs to buy a few of these from Italy and go full retard in the medHow would they handle offensive sonar?I do think a sub in the med should be found for the Ukrainian navy. Doesn't matter if it can't pass the Bosphoros, it's role is outside the Black Sea fucking with Russian ships in Lake NATO or the Med.
>>64655907Are exhausts protected by grids or could one just lob a grenade down there?
>>64655705>Any HE-frag damage in drone payload sizes is ultimately superficialI assumed anon meant grenade or RPG sized warheads, as in FPVs.There are tiny EFPs that size, ukies sometimes use them to strike vehicles or uavs with command detonation though it's been a while since I've seen it.
>>64655917I remember the most fucking egregious part of this was they got the actual GRU agents on RT or Rossiya1 or whatever to say "we just tourists, we just wanted to see famous Salisbury clock tower)))"Like any other country trying to pull this op you'd recycle the glowies' identities, maybe have them lie low for a while. Not bring them on live TV to act smug about it.
>>64655925>Are exhausts protected by grids or could one just lob a grenade down there?They don't go straight up from the engine, otherwise birds would crap down it or water would splash down it and somehow a ball would get down there one day.There's usually a 90° bend or a sump or something.>>64655907>a drone full of hydrazineI think that might actually be a war crime though 1l of hydrazine slung under an FPV isn't the disaster that it might be. I can't imagine that fighting that fire would be fun though and it would probably be perfectly effective as an incendiary.
>>64655923>offensive sonarPlease elaborate exactly what you are talking about, cargo ships aren't known for being ASW platforms.
>>64655951>Please elaborate exactly what you are talking about, cargo ships aren't known for being ASW platforms.The ones that Ukie mini-subs go around torpedoing are going to be.Maybe not to start with but they'll get adapted with dirty tricks, right quick.
>>64655959Either your google translate is broken or you are having a stroke anon. Do you smell toast?
>>64655959Houthis droned commercial ships and it's not like fleets suddenly mutated into coast guard.
>>64655391It's a very different and complex choice actually. Dying over a depopulated and UXO contaminated hamlet versus dying in a depopulated and UXO contaminated hamlet.
>>64655965>>64655968The tankers are already sometimes guarded by soldiers and some tankers are glowies.These aren't commercial ships, they're run by state actors and closely related to the intelligence agencies.If Ukies started attacking with helos, these ships would get MANPADs.If a Ukie patrol boat was around, these ships would get some sort of torpedo or ATGM or something.They should be considered military vessels when considering how they react to being hunted. At least some of them will in fact be Q Ships.
>>64655973Your only hope of avoiding the front is to start cross dressing and embrace your future as a dancing boy in the Caliphate of Muskovy.
>>64655938Disappointing, no operation thermal exhaust port then.
>>64656008bye bye serbnigger
>>64656016Damn, it died before the archive could even get it.What was that?
>>64656016
>>64655936if I remember correctly they made one of those niggers a member of their fake parliament
>>64655686I hate them both so fucking much bros.
>>64655690>>64655907
>>64656023just Mandic ban evading as usual
>>64656073NTA, but if my choices are>keep funding israel>retaliatory campaign to naturalize more jeets because the Democrats aren't winning enoughI know which one I'm picking.Literally all they have to do is not exude active fucking hostility at the people they're trying to swing. But they probably won't, because that's been their MO for a decade now.
>>64655763You're joking but I half expect ukies to do that
>>64656092They clearly want to replace their voting base.One side being retarded doesn't make the other side's retardation better.
>>64655769>why don't you just suck that dick, it's for justice
>>64656114No, it doesn't, but I'm still going to default to the one that causes less long-term damage within the US itself.But I'll leave it there before we start running in circles and shit up the thread too hard. What's your odds that we get another tanker over the weekend?
>>64655923>offensive sonarThe ping it sends out is the word "nigger"?
>>64656130>But I'll leave it thereAfter having reported every post you replied to?
>>64656170You can fuck up divers with sonar, I'm wondering if a minisub would be sufficiently insulated.
>>64656092>>64656130Stop being part of the problem.
>>64656172>try to wind the conversation down gracefully>immediate hostilitySee, this is what I'm talking about
>>64656069>Chlorine with 3 single bond Fluorine atoms attachedWaiter! Waiter! More flesh stripping chemicals please
>>64656170Fund it. I'd blast that shit out on random tourist beaches just to fuck with people.
>>64656130If not over the weekend, I wish for a tanker and another sub for chrismas from Santa Budanov.
>>64656184ClF3 gets all the memes, but nobody talks about its big brother.
>>64656187Make it Orthodox Christmas, just to get the extra seethe.
>>64656209Now that's using your nogging! Also, 1000 hours in Affinity edit as I was inspired.What would you wish from Santa Budanov?
>>64654281That's not even correct, even the UK has Shall Issue permits for shotguns barring criminal records or mental heath conditions
>>64654809At what point does it become worse than just staying in india
>>64656243One bridge, condition immaterial.
>>64656243Someone from Putin's close circle to get ack'd
>>64656243My wish would be for Prigozhin's March on Moscow 2: Electric Boogaloo. I mean, as long as we're asking for stuff with the highest amusement value, plausibility be damned? Wagner board of directors having faked their own assassinations just to show up and send everyone into a tizzy again would have my sides in orbit.
>>64655658>they'll be popsiclesPosting the obligatory "shit stalactite Russian poem".https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wZMJlftxqE
>>64656318heh, street shitters with poop stalactites frozen to their asses is a real possibility
>>64656357>poop constantly comes out>freezes>breaks off>infinite sword creation>Ranjeet is now an anime protagonist
>>64656197No. Nonono. Let's not have a Fluorine metal fire.This is the kind of horrible thing I would like to unlearn.
>>64656197>>64656391>metalCL Pentaflouride sets SAND on fire. It burns the oxygen in motherfucking quartz.
>>64656357
>>64656069Problem with any of the 'Fluoride Family' is they're bad neighbours and no one wants to play with their kids because they smell, set things on fire. Kind of like an Indian covered in burning petrol running around in a crowd of other flammable Indians. There will be shit everywhere.What you could look at is is a step down to the A-Tier of oxidisers>Red Fuming Nitric AcidNow compared to the Fluoride S-tier of setting concrete on fire, maybe you think that's not enough but on a ship full of possibly aromatic petro-chem 'sludge', it'll get your pussy hot and dripping molten metal
>>64655938>I think that might actually be a war crime thoughOnly if it poisons niggas, if it just burns them then it’s fine. Kinda like with fuel air explosives where the fuel itself is highly poisonous but no one cares cause anyone caught in the cloud usually gets annihilated, usually >>64656069>>64656197Now we are cooking with gas
>>64654230>>64654162Based James Bond timelineBudyanov for M!
>>64656407I know. Storing fluorides is a science in itself. One you should stay away from.Whenever somebody mentions that purging the lines with Helium is a good idea, you should back away.>>64656445One of the very basic bits of chemical advice I can confidently share is 'avoid the orange clouds'Brown ones, too. Feathery white ones are generally not your friend, either.You know what, why don't you just avoid the more enthusiastic and exciteable parts of the periodirc table and do something safe like skydiving.
The only cargo that can easily cause a major explosion is gasoline, so to deal with all types of oil, it is necessary to have the power to significantly destroy the structure of the oil tank.
>>64656498Not to completely ruin the fun of a potential fluoride attack on botes, there is one place in the world they tend to keep a lot of them as there's some tiny little industrial practices that still use them for something, I'm not quite sure exactly what but they are used in the manufacturing of integrated circuits and chips.So Taiwan has themSpecial fried fucking rice time
>>64656510The wiki for chlorine triflouride has a nice tidbit about how much is made for those uses which is "several hundred tonnes globally." Which is fucking nuts in a couple ways, that there's enough insane people to make that much globally, and that it's still a very tiny amount considering how much large amounts of other less exciting chemicals are usually made.
>>64656407Question: Does the chlorine make for spicy smoke? If not, may I suggest some of picrel as well?
>>64656517>several hundred tonnesOh shitI thought they'd have 'litres' of it around. Who the fuck decides to set up that kind of production so I can avoid that neighborhood?
>>64656520>>64656407Derp
>>64656522I mean that figure is for global uses so it's probably made in small amounts where ever it's needed. I at least hope there isn't just one or two large factories pumping that shit out, though a containment failure at those would certainly be a sight to see. Would be like gates of hell opening.
>>64656523Mein nigga we ain’t fucking around with that shit
WAR CRIME!
>>64656539But funi, you fucking coward.
>>64656523>>64656539>>64656520>>64656522Step up your game, these are rookie OSHA violations.
>>64654162>they were using it as launching pad for drones over Europethats a big claim, is it supported by evidence?
>>64654238I hope one day to be as based as this fucking guy
>>64654162Russia does nothing about it, so they just keep escalating. Turns out Putin is very weak when faced with actual competition.
>>64656589Budanov is legitimately terrifying.>Something horrible happens in Russia>Nobody knows anything about it>SBU Xitter posts a picture of Budanov *almost* smiling
>>64656610He has turned out to be HIGHLY effective at enacting the deaths of specific ziggers that would ordinarily be well protected from the ongoing total zigger death10/10
>>64656589He killed a zigger outside his boyfriends house in Moscow with an exploding kids scooterSometimes it's just not possible to be any more cool than that
>>64656610>>64656628Budanov is the main character of this war. Even Putin is just his NPC main villain, Zelensky a side kick. I truly hope he makes it to the end of this thing, maybe we'll even get to finally see him smiling.
>>64656639What do you mean, he is smiling in multiple photos in this very thread
>>64656579>Appearance Colorless solid >Uranium hexafluoride is a mild oxidant.boring. >>64656517>>64656522Cleaning stuff in chip fabs is an important use.It's kind of nuts what processes they use there. Modern mad alchemy.
>>64656659Finally, something to remove the stains of communism on humanity. Or at least a large region of it
>>64656529>that figure is for global uses so it's probably made in small amounts where ever it's neededYou better hope they make it where they need it. transporting that shit by road, rail or ship is just begginf for the spicy kind of accident that ends up on global news and has loads of people in gas masks.
>>64656659>Modern mad alchemy.For sure, I'm very much in the camp of "electricity is real magic" and chip fab on the top of the arcane arts dev tree. Having to use god damn UV laser that's generated by annihilating a chemical drop (forgot which) with another laser that makes that precise wavelenght of light, a drop that's shot into a mirror chamber multiple times a second? That is the definition of arcane.And then thinking of all the steps it took to get to the point of making that machine is just mindboggling. And all in around 12000 years of civilization? That's just ~450 generations. There have been real wizards among our midsts at some points.
>>64656659>Uranium hexafluoride is a mild oxidant.>boringWell, it still has the spicy aura.
>>64656674>The gas mask is now on fire, along with all your MOPP>The soil is on fire>Your soul is on fire
>>64656498I have exactly a computer engineer's worth of college chemistry. What happens when you use Helium? Isn't it a noble gas and unlikely to react with anything? No really, I want to learn. Also, yah anything starts smoking fucking book it is what I've been told by a few people
>>64656685>>64656659It is more incendiary than trifloride.
>>64656579Pathetic
>>64656589If these guys ever get together with Mossad and the French, they'll be able to do magical things.They'll be able to get ziggers to Find Out levels previously unknown to mankind.
>>64656520>>64656523When it comes into contact with water then - besides the burning - it generates hydrochloric and Hydrofluoric acid. The latter is the nastier of the two. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrofluoric_acid_burn>>64656681tin drops. and they need precise timings. one laser pulse to shape the drop with a tiny explosion, a second pulse to make the vapor lase.And that's just one small, albeit important, part of the whole production process>>64656699In which way? Reactivity on the fire diamond is lower too.
>>64656681Kind of? High end chip fab is at the point where quantum tunneling is stopping it from getting much smaller. It's really at our limits of understanding various fields of science. I wouldn't be surprised if some of what is done to make those chips is just the best solution we can currently figure out and there might, might be another solution in the future that's better.
>>64656710The French intelligences services are ruthless they don't play nice like the Americans.
>>64656712Thanks, it's even more insane than I remembered. Tin melts at a pretty low temperature, but it's still damn liquid metal drops. And yeah the whole thing about that just being a single step in a loong process is even more nuts, but that part just sticks with me. How the fuck they first figured that out is so far beyond me that it might as well be magic.>>64656714It'd be pretty sad really if we had actually reached the end of the chip fab tech tree because of limitations due to quantum mechanics. Damn impressive to get to the point where that's your limitation, but still.
>>64656714In principle there are other ways, like ion beam etching/deposition, placing things atom by atom with electric force microscopes, self-organizing structures, etc. etc.But those don't scale nicely to industrial scale, unlike the photolithography process.In theory nanomachines would be best to directly assemble nanostructures, that's how biology works after all, but this is way beyond current human engineering capabilities to design from scratch.
>>64656695>I have exactly a computer engineer's worth of college chemistry. What happens when you use Helium? Isn't it a noble gas and unlikely to react with anything? No really, I want to learn. In general terms, when you need to purge lines with Helium it is because you have to absolutely remove all the oxygen etc. that might otherwise react spontaneously with whatever you're planning on sending through.It's not really dangerous by itself, it's the context of what they're (probably) planning on handling.Also, 99.9% of the time it will be fine if you're in the west and people don't act like fucking morons.>Also, yah anything starts smoking fucking book it is what I've been told by a few peopleBrown clouds (in a chemical industry context) can often mean nitrous compounds. If you want some nightmare fuel, google dinotrogen tetroxide. Just a little nitrogen and oxgen doing their thing.Unfortunately, their thing is setting you on fire, dissolving you and destroying your lungs.Or azides. Becasue it turns out that if you just keep adding nitrogen to molecules, tehy want to blow up. Luckily, nobody has been insane enough to attempt manufacturing these on a larger scale.
>>64656750See >>64656760. We're way closer than anyone would like. The real problem is making enough chips fast enough. As a fan of cyberpunk, I'm curious as to what these restrictions could possibly lead to massive computers that are unaffordable except for the megacorps and government, but really don't want to live that reality. Although corpos already have computational power and information that is too difficult to explain. Short version is they know everything, absolutely everything, you just aren't worth focusing on.>>64656783I am 'murican now. I will look those up and blame the nightmares on you. Still worth the journey, probably
>>64656318Man, I miss kaycee
>>64656523>>64656579>>64656685>>64656706How have we not had a mass extinction event from this kind of shit? No irony, no shit posting. It just feels like how Chernobly was a global fuck up that many people sacrificed themselves to contain it and this shit has a much shorter list of deaths.
>>64655959So they will put sonars on their entire ghost fleet. I am sure everybody is fine with this. What are they gonna do with the sonar equipped ships after, do a 360 and hit the max speed of 16 knots?
>>64656498My high school chemistry teacher just said to avoid basically any gas you can see.
>>64656846Put it this way, even the Germans in WW2 invented some of this stuff, they made quite a lot of it and decided that yes. Being able to burn a concrete reinforced pillbox to the consistency of sand, then set that sand on fire was a potentially useful thing.Zee problem was, 'how' the fuck on gods green asshole was anyone going actually deploy it in a matter that was useful? Its all the fun of a bottle of nitroglycerine sitting in a bucket of rocks covered in cans of napalm. I mean, maybe you can convince some of the people to do it, but they'd only do it once, leaving the rest of the people going>yeah nah>fuck that!
>>64656846It's still chemistry. Even a warehouse full of it would only destroy a city block and poison the water.And it's not like there are entire storage tanks of it sitting in every city. It's only produced in limited quantities.
>>64656846Fluoride is so fucking reative that it jsut burns up with whatever is around, and then it ends up as (relateively) inert compounds in the ground.And in trace amounts, many organism actually use it, so it doesn't really poison the soil long-term.The problem is elemental fluoride, it rips apart almost ALL other molecules. And it gets hot. And then you have all kinds of fun secondary reactions with, for example, hydrogen going on. Which invariably leads to acids in gaseous form, and explosions or fire.>>64656795>Still worth the journey, probablyThere are a bunch of great yt vids, too. If you want depressions, go watch those about chemical desasters in India and China.
>>64654230Great news. That's more than what I wanted for christmas.
>>64655600No but really, who's in charge of the weather control machine?
>>64657102it is a mystery
>>64656846I'm real curious about the insane chemical dumping we will find in russia whenever the place fully destabilizes. I mean america has managed to pollute the entire planet to where the chemicals involved in teflon can now be found on the top of mount fucking everest and can be found in the blood stream of uncontacted tribes, and this is just the shit we know about.IMAGINE the type of shit russia has been dumping in lakes and rivers for fucking decades that nobody actually knows about. Sure, we know they created the most radioactive place on the planet with that dumping lake, but nobody really knows the full extent of it's chemical dumping.
>>64657290>I'm real curious about the insane chemical dumping we will find in russia whenever the place fully destabilizes.>IMAGINE the type of shit russia has been dumping in lakes and rivers for fucking decades that nobody actually knows about.My uncle is a geologist. He got his first job during German reunification, surveying areas where East Germany had been dumping or burying garbage.They started with the usual methods of just checking surface areas for outgassing (from stuff that was decomposing) and heavy metal poisoning of the soil.They found that their (western) equipment was just too sensitive, it would just peak. So the method was now to basically set up a perimeter, put up signs 'do not enter', and then slowly quarter the area to estimate what was buried where.The outgassing (largely methane) can be managed, it's just a question of some tubing and you can even collect the gas if you want to. But the heavy metal in the ground? That shit is just fucked.They basic method is to find out how deep it is, calculate when it reached the water table, and prepare to cordon off the parts of the groundwater. The metals slowly sink into the ground, tehy'll be too deep to poison plant life in a century or so, and below most groundwater in two centuries.Also, they found other fun stuff, dioxins, asbestos, etc.There were other areas devastated by 40 years of constant power generation from lignite coal, and absolutely no filtering. Just build high chimney comrade, that wil fix it))))) Just mix ash with water and pump into river, is no longer problem)))))Turns out that doesn't help, and it starts to literally rain acid, all the kids get leukemia and everyone dies at 45 from lung cancer.Russia is like that, but with a few more decades of this, more corruption and more area to just dump shit.
>soon will be video
>>64657337They fucking love asbestos. Everywhere through the former soviet union in some often not squalid regions as well, this shit is just asbestos tiles, shingles and corrugated sheets slapped up everywhere. Rotting away, loosening the fibres and fucking up anyone who breathes it in.Years ago now we ended up with some captured Mi-24's from a mercenary company that got stuck on a base out in the middle of nowhere for years, so I asked an airforce mate if we could go have a closer look them because we happened to be on the way through and they're pretty distinctive, interesting aircraft.Nope! Full of asbestos and behind a fence with a no-touchy signI think they later just dug a big hole and chucked them in there instead of coming up with any feasible way of making them remotely safe for anything
>>64655763Stop it Mike.
>>64657337I suggest you to look up some info about Stalker movie. They filmed the Zone part of the movie in Estonia, in deserted factories and waste cheaps near energy plants. The falling ashes and foamy water you see in the movie isn't props, they're real industrial waste being managed soviet style. Also the director and several people from the crew died from exposure some time after the movie.
>>64657387https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0079944/trivia/?ref_=tt_ov_ql_3
>>64655056>autonomousIn name only.
>>64657387In 1956 they were running around like wild niggers in the backblocks of Utah while there was nuke testing going on>Is this ok?>yeah sure!It was not ok as about 200 of the people filming this garbage but highly amusing film got some kind of fuck-awful cancer from the fall out
>>64656314Especially because 4chan has been making memes about it since Pringles died
>>64655540>gunna be like 75 on ChristmasSome bullshit. But I guess that's Texas.
>>64656209>Make it Orthodox ChristmasThe Dec 25/Jan 7 confusion is because the Gregorian and Julian calenders are out of alignment and Orthodox used Julian. 25 Dec in Julian is Jan 7 in Gregorian.Ukraine switched to a modernised Julian a while back so they have Christmas on the 25th like most of the world. Russia and a few others still use the faulty Julian calender because lol religion, so they do Christmas when their religious calender says 25th Dec which is 7th Jan for the rest of the world.
>>64656265>At what point does it become worse than just staying in indiaWell, I'm certainly looking forward to Muslim vs Hindu vs Christian problems in Moscow.Hindus are generally cool, a bit weird but cool enough so long as they don't have the influence and political power to enforce their religion on their town/city/province.If they get to the point where they can riot in Moscow because McBaня is serving beef then it might be more peaceful during a hindu chimpout against muslims in India.Then again, they usually chimp out against villagers who have rapable daughters and farmable land, so whether they'll create problems for armed chechens is an unanswered question.Chechens don't usually bully people who riot when you fuck with them either so there are many unknowns in this scenario and I've never seen Russian orthodox do anything to save themselves because lol Russians
>>64656469>Only if it poisons niggas, if it just burns them then it’s fineClF3/5 is going to do both.They won't be poisoned for very long but they'll probably die from the poison, not the fire.
>>64656588>thats a big claim, is it supported by evidence?Proof-roostering doesn't work on states.If some state's glowies have classified evidence that convinces them that Russia did something, they don't need to prove it to anyone but themselves and they don't need to share the proof, they just act on it.
>>64656674>transporting that shit by road, rail or shipI think you could just dial the packaging:contents ratio the fuck up.If you have 1l of nasty in a connex-sized container, you can pack it in nice and securely. An inch thick pyrex/glass/Al/whatever canister inside layers of padding inside plasting/rubber moulded in place, inside cast ceramic or something inside a suspended gimble, inside several inches of steel. If you're not dropping it from orbit, it's going to be ok.You could probably make something that would survive a plane crash with that level of containment.Then it's just a matter of dialing back the containment until you reach an acceptable compromise on practicality and safety.Look at how the US transports nuclear waste, those things are intended to survive close range bomb blasts.
>>64657337Cities in russias mining and smelting regions like Norilsk are so badly polluted it would be economically feasible to extract heavy metals from the soils in and around the city.
>>64656588>>64657651I dont get how it could be so difficult to unravel, even for a mediocre investigative journalist. as far as I understand the routes of shadow fleet ships are publicly available on maritime traffic trackers. Governments have satellites, radar, AWACS and patrol planes, coast guard..
>>64657290Nothing, probably.Do remind yourself that we already found all the freaky shit in Russia when it collapsed the last time in the 90s.Since that, it's just been a post-apocalyptic ruin without much industrial activity.
>>64657427as someone that went there to meet natives its true the majority is in name only however you need a special permission entry to visi chuki people and area and the sami peopleNOT the oblast itself but the areas they live in you need a valid visa a valid fsb signed paper designated you as a safe traveller a vali medical screening also a valid un permission imagine my suprise when i learned how both russia and sweden treated the sami people
>>64656750>'d be pretty sad really if we had actually reached the end of the chip fab tech treeThink of it as like shale oil or lithium deposits.We're not necessarily using the only possible way of doing things, we're using the one that makes economic sense given what we have and what we're already good at doing.There's other approaches but they'd cost more, or we'd have to do more research to make them work. Boring reasons cause us to settle on a working, affordable solution now, tech continues to develop in the background and occasionally the process is improved or possibly replaced.
>>64656861>I am sure everybody is fine with this. Nobody is fine with anything about the ghost fleet, that bridge has been crossed.>What are they gonna do with the sonar equipped ships afterDepends on what the sonar does to the minisubs which is the fucking question I'm asking that you can't answer so you're just nit-picking the question with irrelevancies.
>>64657671>I dont get how it could be so difficult to unravelIt's not particularly hard to tell that they're shady but corporate contracts aren't public knowledge, shipping manifests and stuff are known to governments involved but not the public and it's technically illegal to leak them.Then there are layers of shell companies, many in opaque registries, so you need Panama Papers style leaks to trace their ownership and that's before dealing with nominee owners and shit.Large ship traffic is supposed to be public through AIS beacons but they can just turn them off and if they're in international waters, they're probably not going to be detained by any navy for doing so, at least not unless they do it in direct sight of one. Tankers that are transferring sanctioned oil as a kind of oil-laundering scheme turn their beacons off and you have to track them with reconnaissance planes or satellites. Journalists won't necessarily have access to that kind of intelligence.There are many tricks used and if you don't understand the difficulty, then you haven't looked into it enough.
