https://aerospaceglobalnews.com/news/germany-fcas-gcap-italy-invitation/how the tables have turned
Nice
>>64655159Now all they gotta do is boot England and get the gang back together
>>64655175it's England's program
It appears that the only way to unfuck Dassault is to let the old farts in charge die of old age and get someone more up with the times in charge.
>>64655159Unless it’s the UK doing the offer it don’t matter
>>64655159Pasta Strategy
>>64655175
>>64655175They don't have an engine without the bongs you absolute mongoloid>inb4 XF9-1Yes, they're leaders at the tech but don't have the experience to integrate it at scale, lest they spend another 5 years integrating systems.
>>64655181For now
>>64655181That can be changed. What are they gonna do?
>>64655159Whats the point? We don't want to just buy that shit.
>>64655222what's a Eurofighter without the British Aerospace EAP?nothingGCAP is Tempest
>>64655210>they're leaders at the techDelusional weeb. Even the Honda jet uses American engines
>>64655259Are you talking about the engines designed by Honda and built under license by the GE-Honda joint venture to be marketable in the American market? those engines?
Comfy but won't this delay development at a time where really everyone needs this jet flying right now?
>>64655267>designed by HondaPoopy…
>>64655268it'll likely be a junior partnership, no?give money, get plans, buy what they can't build themselveswhere do you imagine the delay comes in?
>>64655284Someone doesn't know that Honda has been developing turbofan engines for years, lmao even.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GE_Honda_HF120
>>64655159I hope Merz finally tells the frogs to fuck off and does that.>>64655231it fits our air forces need quite well and it will probably be available quite soon.>>64655268Germany likely wouldn't get to do much development worknot a problem imo as long as 1) Germany doesn't have to pay as much development cost in return2) Germany gets full license production3) is allowed to integrate national upgrades
>>64655292Correct link: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/HF120_(%E3%82%A8%E3%83%B3%E3%82%B8%E3%83%B3)
>>64655181Which would make it even funnier
>>64655259Cause they're cheaper and more reliable. GE and P&W are absolutely the leaders in full ecosystem engine integrationLike I said, they don't do whole engines at scale. But their CMC chemistry and turbine shaft metallurgy are what all engine manufacturers rely on. They autistically specialize in what just so happens to be the most important parts in a modern engine.
>>64655297>Germany doesn't have to pay as much development costThat's workable. GCAP is looming at export to non-members, so really the Germans don't have to front any development costs. >2) Germany gets full license production>3) is allowed to integrate national upgradesThese are totally delusional. Even more delusional than the French FCAS demands. Why the fuck would the GCAP partners just give up work share to a country that isn't even fronting development costs? The Germans would have to be complete infants to ask for something so stupid. The fact that you're putting it out there as a possibility makes you sound like a total retard.
>>64655292Your link literally says it’s American lol >>64655301>jaDefinitely unbiased, saan. Also funny how Honda jet and Honda R&D are based in the US.
>Europeans want their own program because they dont want to trust the US>Immediately theres infighting and anons want to boot others out of the programThe US killswitch is more reasonable
>>64655333Take your FCAS cope somewhere else
>>64655337There is no moral center in Europe
>>64655309>But their CMC chemistry and turbine shaft metallurgy are what all engine manufacturers rely onBro there ain’t no way weebs are this delusional, tranime and boomers really did a trick on their minds.
>>64655175England as part of the gang was always the painter's dream
>>64655325This, afaik only the US does this
>>64655344>Today, the only large-scale SiC ceramic fiber factory in the world is operated by NGS Advanced Fibers in Japan, which is a joint company of Nippon Carbon, GE, and Safran of France. The adjacent GE factory in Alabama will use the SiC ceramic fiber to produce the unidirectional CMC tape necessary to fabricate CMC components.https://www.geaerospace.com/news/press-releases/other-news-information/ge-aviation-build-unique-materials-factories-0
>>64655268mostly going to be a technology transfer rather than design revisions
>>64655325how is it delusional? just have the Edgewing consortium set up a joint venture with Airbus DS in Germany and use the Airbus production line. Germany foots some of the development bill in return. Kind of like how Italy is a minor F-35 member and has a production line in return.
>>64655356>2015>joint company of Nippon Carbon, GE, and Safran of France.So GE and Safran did the R&D and Japan produces it?
>>64655383No.>The new joint venture, NGS Advanced Fibers, will be headquartered in Chuo-ku, Tokyo with facilities in Toyama-shi, Toyama in Japan. Nippon Carbon Company will have a 50% share in the new joint venture and GE and Safran with a 25% share each.>"Silicon carbide continuous fiber, Nicalon®, is a ceramic fiber developed, manufactured and marketed by our company, which combines lightness and strength with high thermal resistance even in air," said Shigeo Tajima, president of Nippon Carbon Co., Ltd.>Nicalon is important to our development of ceramic matrix composite materials (CMCs) that will differentiate our next-generation of aircraft engines," said Sanjay Correa, vice president and general manager of CMC Programs at GE.No Nicalon, no CMCs. https://www.geaerospace.com/news/press-releases/joint-ventures/nippon-carbon-company-ge-and-safran-establish-silicon-carbide#
>>64655175Japan isn't able to replace RR with IHI
>>64655354And only for aircraft where their domestic orders are already enough to keep the manufacturing base running. >>64655377>how is it delusional to expect countries to front development costs and then have someone else build the planeThis is the exact reason Germany is upset with the French. How stupid are you?>inb4 Germany will only build their own planesThe whole reason Germany needs a partner is because they can't afford to do that you stupid ape. Literally the whole reason for FCAS. Also, why the fuck would the UK, Italy, and Japan transfer the technology that they just spent years and billions of euros of sweat and money on? The absolute best Germany could hope for is partial assembly of kits provided by the GCAP partners and even that is asking a lot.
>>64655404If anything this confirms what I just said lol. R&D is a relative small part after it’s done. Both Safran and GE actually have knowledge and know how about jet engines, Japan doesn’t.
>>64655443That is literally what I said in my first post:>but don't have the experience to integrate it at scaleYou just made up some weird weeb boogeyman.
>>64655442>This is the exact reason Germany is upset with the French.no it isn't.>The whole reason Germany needs a partner is because they can't afford to do thatno it isn't. Germany can afford a program like that. The problem is it doesn't have as much experience and building that up fully domestically would require time.>why the fuck would the UK, Italy, and Japan transfer the technology that they just spent years and billions of euros of sweat and money on?for money, obviously.I think you (purposefully) misunderstood me. What I'm suggesting is something like the UK's or Italy's participation in the F-35, albeit with more stake.
>>64655516You misread what I read my brown weeb friend. Japan produces it because they can’t into R&D but high quality manufacturing (to give you a bone) while GE/Safran developed and engineered it. At scale implies they’re the ones who developed it and can’t mass produce it when it’s clearly the other way around. Like when was the last time Japan has made anything innovative that wasn’t in the 80s, maybe 90s? I’m just counting 1 and 1 together instead of making shit up about Japan being some superpower instead of a geriatric and stagnant island.
>>64655578>Japan produces it because they can’t into R&DThat directly contradicts the Honda/GE HF120 engine's development history.The HF120 is based on the fully indigenous HF118 prototype japan made. Honda doesn't have any experience with commercial jet engine production at scale and has no idea how to handle FAA certification and other logistical hurdles that GE has plenty of experience with.So GE and Honda joined together, Honda provided the R&D, GE helped with integration/certification/testing and manufacturing/assmebly.That's the exact opposite of what you're claiming (that japan can only manufacture, and can't do R&D).
>>64655601https://www.geaerospace.com/news/press-releases/regional-business-engines/ge-honda-aero-engines-continues-improve-hf118-engineLil bro calling the engine Japanese because it says Honda in it even if the R&D was done by Honda USA and GE won’t make it Japanese. GE developed the engine with Honda USA, Honda just like GE did with so countless other countries. The 118 is still American, the 120 is just an improvement of it, it’s got nothing to do with muh superior Japanese 1000 folded carbon steel not being able to be mass produced. Japan can’t into jet engines and all weebs eating up whatever Japan says regarding the IHI XF-9 is just embarrassing when Rolls Royce actually shows off its shit and gets used on planes instead of claiming stuff like Japan does regarding GCAP. There are no Japanese jet engines or turboprop engines to begin with. The fact that japans most advanced jets right now are license built American ones while their indigenous stuff like that Mitsubishi airliner failed should give you an idea (and inb4 it’s because of le Americans and COVID holding Japan down) Hell the most advanced Japan does right now is providing chemicals to ASML for their lithography machines (made and engineering in Europe & the US)
>>64655159>>64655175While everyone was joking about "this time without Italy", the true formula for success apparently was "this time without Germany".
>>64655661World wars won by germany: 0World wars won by italy: 2You tell me who's the sore loser coping and who's the abject winner
>>64655656>even if the R&D was done by Honda USAThe R&D on the HF118 was done entirely in japan you retard.Yes HF120 was then done in the US, but the prototype was fully developed in japan without GE.
>>64655656Gookshill, get fucked, then blow your brains out, and feel free to mix up the order on that.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ishikawajima-Harima_F3https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IHI_Corporation_F7>those ones don't count!!!!cry more you dirty gook faggot.
>>64655578>>64655656You're just making up shit at this point
>>64655656>and all weebs eating up whatever Japan says regarding the IHI XF-9 is just embarrassing when Rolls Royce actually shows off its shit and gets usedI mean, it was convincing enough for RollsRoyce to send a team of their engineers to japan back in 2019 just to look at the XF9.And then a year or two later japan gets invinted to GCAP, HMMMMM I WONDER WHY THAT COULD BE.
>>64655329>t. lowest IQ mongrelI accept your concession tho.
>>64655181Japan's*
>>64655712Well, BESIDES the 40+ years of domestically designed jet engine production japan can't into jet engines.
>>64655712Don't forget (TYL) about this monster
Real question, if Japan is so good at constructing engines then why are they letting the UK have all the best parts of the engine for GCAP?
>>64656202You already tried this argument last thread. Except in that thread you lied and tried to say the XF9 was based on the F119.>>64600553
>>64656202fucking ghoulish. do chinks really?
Lol between chink women being so ugly and chink men being so effeminate, I really have a hard time telling them apart.
>>64655159will it have to boil pasta now?
>>64655725Surely you can post a source for that
>italy extends an invitation to germanyan invitation to what? more papier maché mockups and delays?lmao @yuropoors you should learn from china and start producing 6th gens like the j-36 and j-50
>>64656892fuck off shalomo
oh this is too fucking good. despite all the mindbroken weebs shilling their asses off, two undeniable facts will always stand strong:1. the japs operate NOT A SINGLE jap fighter jet complete with a domestic jap engine. hell, they barely operate much of the former even without the latter condition.2. the partners of the gcap are openly trolling the japs despite the japs making it clear that they do not want any more partners and that they need to get this jet asap. there's disrespect and then there's whatever the gcap is.The article makes it clear that both the bongs and pastas want the krauts into this program. So let's see if the seething weeb mouthbreathers have the mental capacity to know if 2/3 is greater or less than 1/2.
>>64656982Jesus you really are just the same buck broken gook, again and again in these threads.
>>64656982There's what, four countries in the domestic fighter with domestic engine club? The UK isn't even in that group and they are in the Top 2 for engines.On an unrelated note, Lesser Korea has attempted 7 orbital rocket launches in its entire history; of which 4 have been successful.
>>64656982Did a weeb fuck your mom or something, holy shit calm down you freak. Why does every board on this site have a dedicated schizophrenic now
>>64656999>>64657050>cannot answer whether 2/3 is greater than 1/2just about sums it up. mindbroken weebs will shill an imaginary jet engine with no jet then squeal at anyone who points this out.oh and if you want to talk about rockets then how about pointing out how the jappy episilon-6 exploded during flight? or how the h3 rocket had not one but two major launch failures due to severe engine issues? (the second one took out its payload as well lmao) or how the kairos rocket has literally nothing but failures?we all know that you're mindbroken but how are you this mindbroken? the jappies have been having a whole string of different types of issues for multiple rockets in RECENT years. you might not want to bring up rockets, weeb. you may need help from the jeets like you did with your lunar lander, lmao.
>>64657148Nigger you are fucking crazy, go to a doctor
>>64657152you shut down real quick after getting called out with just 2 facts. completely meltdown like a modern jap rocket.sounds like you need some loli anime to go calm down, weeb.
>>64657148I don't need to engage in your imaginary argument.No one is "joining" GCAP as anything but a customer with at BEST very minor local manufacturing of specific components/parts.
>Gets told by France to shut their incompetent and submissive fuckholes and let them work >Runs back crying to the second most hostile country to Europe and Europeans after the Jewnited States, the Emirate of LondistanGreat, if they get told to stfu this time I fully expect them to join RussiaThey should had done this to Germany after WW2 desu, Germans rather let Europe get colonized than to admit the French mog them in defense and strategy
>>64657165so now facts are "imaginary arguments" to you weebs?I say that you're mindbroken for a reason and now we all have proof. screencap this, lads.oh and if what you said is true in the least bit then why are the jappies themselves so against this idea? is it because the jap government are also gookshills?maybe you don't want to be contradicting japs when shilling for the japs. got that, mindbroken weeb?
>>64656999He's a really boring schizo compared to the nut cases on other boards. I've seen some shit man, real crazy people
>>64657159Sometimes I wonder if this is 1 very dedicated, mentally-ill missed abortion,Or if this is ~3 people tagging in/out.Similar style across threads & across boards, but same topics and same psychotic neuroses. Hard to decide.
>>64657183very organic post, thank Ivan Ivanovski from Warsaw Oblast
>>64657339Nah, he does it on purpose so he can always deflect and pretend he's another of his personas. >oh you think that poster was ME? HA, nay sir. Though sometimes he will slip back into using identical talking points and phrasing as this "other" person just a coincidence though.
>>64655159What are we calling this thing? The Fat Raptor? The Faptor?
>>64655210>They don't have an engine without the bongs you absolute mongoloidIf you think IHI, Avio and MTU can't cook up a killer engine you're retarded as fuck.
>>64657521Even more of a joke because he talks about RR showing real things while japan just shows off lies, and yet RR haven't really shown ANY GCAP engine stuff besides those airducts they were showing off a while back. Japan invited RR/UK MoD officials out to see the IHI XF9 testbench setup and get briefed on the specific capabilities of that engine back in 2018/19. Then in 2020/21 Japan continued working with RR/UK and planned for deeper joint work which eventually ended up with GCAP in late 2022. The idea that japan is just some charity case in the GCAP program only being allowed in by the graciousness of the UK is just telling me that poster is probably korean.
