Where are the factory integrally suppressed and/or short barrel guns from Ruger, PSA, etc? 0$ tax stamps are less than two weeks away and I haven't seen a single one. Surely manufacturers want to jump on this cash grab opportunity?
>>64655248This thread again
They're selling them ?
suppressors are a niche novelty. You either love them or think you do.
keltec has their integrally suppressed sub-2k
>>64655286and no one fucking buys it because they're memes.
>>64655287uh huh and an integrally suppressed ruger or psa product wouldnt be a meme? integral suppression is stupid and its why you dont see it often
>>64655248Probably not many manufacturers want to deal with the headache of everyone breaking theirs constantly and then ruining the company's reputation with bad reviews. These things are high maintenance and finicky, it's probably just not worth it from a business perspective.
>>64655300>high maintenance and finickyWhat? It's a tube with holes in it.
>>64655300what goes into the maintenance of a integrally suppressed firearm?
Likely 2027 will be the year we see more integral suppression. Theyre going to lag behind can sales because no one knows what demand is going to be.
>>64655296>an integrally suppressed rugeryou mean this thing that no one fucking buys?
>>64655248The $200 tax stamp is less an issue than spending thousands (you know they won't be cheap) and then having to wait months while begging the local police chief for permission, getting fingerprinted, and then waiting for the ATF to get around to your Form 4. People don't feel like it's worth it when ear protection is cheap and you'll probably have to wear it anyways. Why bother?Even in Europe, where supressors are much easier to buy, the vast majority of people with the option just buy muffs.
>>64655350I'm not really counting 22lr toys in this>>64655374>wait months while begging the local police chief for permissionWhere have you been? This requirement was removed a while ago.>waiting for the ATF to get around to your Form 4Wait times are down to less than a week these days, since the ATF changed how forms are processed.
>>64655385>moving the goalpostsloser shit.
>>64655374The 200 dollar tax stamp being removed allows for cheaper cans to be viable in the USA. It otherwise creates a price floor because people want their moneys worth.
>>64655392>The 200 dollar tax stamp being removed allows for cheaper cans to be viable in the USA.I don't think it's the 200 dollars stopping people, I figure that it's the fuckass paperwork. But we'll see how true that rings over 2026, maybe I'm mistaken. Personally I don't mind the 200 dollars but i'd rather not have to sign into that slow as shit eforms site.
>>64655407>fuckass paperwork>i'd rather not have to sign into that slow as shit eforms siteWas the last time you looked into NFA items 2012?Everything is electronic and automated now. And your dealer handles the rest. Your first item takes probably 30 minutes with the fingerprint and photo and making an eforms account, but after that it's a cakewalk.
>>64655407200 dollars most definately was making cans more expensive. Its inflating the overall costs and most people see wont buy a 150 dollar 22lr can for 350 bucks.
>>64655248The $200 wasn't the barrier to entry, all of the other BS that surrounds title 2 is. Maybe with the $200 gone we'll see cheaper suppressors like in yurup, but I doubt it given that there is still the title 2 barrier.
>>64655374You're legally allowed to do your own fingerprints (5 minutes), then send it to a company like Capitol Armory which stores them and takes care of all the paperwork and you just sign a paper. Also law enforcement is not allowed to deny or hold you up for no reason. That was stopped years ago. All said and done it's probably 30 minutes of time your first NFA item and 5 minutes of time every one after with about a one week waiting period nowadays for approval. Everything you said is wrong and you clearly think it's still 2012.
>>64655315cleaning the shit out of them
>>64655286>>64655287I want one, don't care if it's a meme.
>>64655248This thing exists, supposedly. I don't think I've ever seen much about it and I haven't kept up with it, but basically it's a barrel with a shroud to make it integrally silenced. The barrel and what it comes with are non-NFA and the only NFA part is the silencer that then puts more tube, baffles, and an endcap on the shroud using the shroud as additional expansion room. Apparently compatible with pre-existing silencers (ones that have removable bases, I assume).>>64655350IIRC that and the Silent-SR are both discontinued, some time leading up to when they partnered with someone and made a silencer together. Or at least I don't see it on their site anymore. Shame.
>>64655739Slip2k is great for this, just dip the baffles/bolt and let them marinade overnight
And yes I typed that explanation all retarded but you can figure out what I mean. Integral from factory is still something I haven't seen much, definitely not more than in the past year or two, maybe less funny enough.
PSA just launched their platform that is suppressor and sbr readyhttps://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-jakl-6-5-9mm-sd-pistol-black-w-triangle-brace.html
>>64655374>while begging the local police chief for permissionThis requirement was removed in 2014. LEO is now copied as notification, but they get no say on approval or denial.My last two efile form 4s (in October) were 3 day approvals.
>>64655287doent it require fingerprints?
>>64655484I won't even fill out a 4473 and I'm not alone. Plus there's restrictions on interstate transfer and who can actually use the title 2 firearm without you being present. Not a big deal for some, but it's an added headache for casual gun owners without much of a benefit. SBS, SBR, and MGs have their non-nfa workarounds, suppressors don't so they stay in a niche category eventhough they should be prolific.
>>64655475This, I'd rather a $200 tax and not deal with the NFA rather than the inverse that we have. The registrations / compliance was always the issue.
>>64655312>t's a tube with holes in it.So is the Large Hadron Colider.
