Let's say the US military decided to adopt a bullpup rifle. Do you think they could improve it to a point that it could surpass the AR15 platform? I get the impression that it's just a few innovations away from achieving that status. If they could make the triggers match the AR platform it would be difficult argue that it isn't superior.>inb4 slow reloads, etc.
>>64662938No. The benefits of a bullpup over a conventional layout are marginal, even ignoring the drawbacks.
>>64662941Which drawbacks? The ergonomics seem better overall. The weight distribution is easily better.
>>64662957Trigger, hasn’t benefitted from 60+ years of innovation, reloading will be awkward until you get the hang of it.Basically because they haven’t been adopted by the US, they likely never will be.
>>64662967>reloading will be awkward until you get the hang of itno war has ever been lost due to your grunt taking 3s to reload instead of 2.75.
>>64662938>slower reloads>Zero rail space>nearly impossible to brace off of objects to steady the gun>can't transition shoulders on the flyit's shit>>64662969no war has ever been won by a nation using a bullpup
>>64662967I get the impression if the US military threw money at the trigger problem they could figure something out.
>>64662978>no war has ever been won by a nation using a bullpupbullpup or no bullpup is a completely irrelevant factor in deciding victory
>>64662979electronic primers. boomers act like spark plugs are alien wizardry that will suddenly have a guaranteed 100% failure rate if taken out of a car and put into a gun for some magical reason.
>>64662969I’m not even reloading will take longer, I’m saying the drill sergeants/instructors will bitch and moan, and so will the board that decides to not adopt the rifle.If anything loading a bullpup is faster when you can do it without looking, your hands have to move less.
>>64662978the factors you list are only relevant for an extremely small number of spec ops soldiers. No war will be decided by a rifle configuration.
>>64662938>Let's say the US military decided to adopt a bullpup rifleIs this before or after we travel through the portal to the alternate dimension?
>>64662991And the factors that make a bullpup advantageous are even less relevant. You can't cry "nooo other guns being better doesn't matter!" And pretend that doesn't apply to you too.Bullpups suck. They offer zero advantages. The long barrel is useless because they are all inaccurate garbage.
>>64662984I’ve been working on a solenoid trigger design that doesn’t take a battery for a long time, doesn’t even need to be electronic, the trigger could just be electric.
>>64662995i fully recognize that the pros and cons of conventional vs bullpup are quite niche and marginal over the other
>>64662995The “inaccuracy” has nothing to do with being a bullpup and everything to do with economy of scale. There are many bullpup precision rifles, and most materiel is bullpup if you really rub the two halves of your braincell together.
>>64662938The truth of the matter is that if bullpups offered any advantages whatsoever, we'd see them in use in at the very least 1 or 2 US special forces units. Yet, we haven't seen it once in the 50~ years they've been in regular production.
>>64663007They’re not marginal on a general issue rifle. In a peer war trench(or bunker) warfare reigns supreme, and the smaller your gun, the smaller your gun.
>>64663020>haven’t seen it once1. MP7, kinda2. that we know of
>>64662967>Trigger, hasn’t benefitted from 60+ years of innovationNice way to out yourself as someone who hasn't actually shot a modern bullpup
>>64662969No war has ever been lost due to cutting 6" off of your barrels.
>>64662978>>slower reloads Wrong lol>>Zero rail space Wrong lol>>nearly impossible to brace off of objects to steady the gun Valid concern>>can't transition shoulders on the fly Wrong lol1 for 4 is better than most anti-pup fudds, good job
>>64662941I agree generally but the reason this shit keeps coming up is because for some reason the US Army and a bunch of Internet Armchair Generals keep demanding this specific layout:>short enough to work in CQB>needs to reach out to at least midrange in the desert>can't use 7.62N, too heavy apparently, and the logistics between even the proposed SIG contract to switching to a new round are messy>BUT IT CAN'T BE A BULLPUP. IT JUST CAN'T, OKAY!?Either fucking re-equip the soldiers with battle rifles or stop crying that you want 7.62N ballistics coming from 5.56 out of a 12" barrel.
>>64663020The argument here isn't, "Why doesn't the US military use any current gen bullpups?" but "Can the US military make a bullpup better than the AR platform?"
>>64663067 The cope by bullpup fags is astounding.
>>64662938The correct answer is CTSAS with a grip magazine.
>>64663692Great counterargument nig.
Has anyone played with the idea of keeping the same OAL and using the bullpup design to make a longer barrel? With the army playing with pissing hot rounds this seems like something that should be tested
>>64663062Afghanistan, maybe. We could have killed more Taliban in the mountains if everyone had 20 inch ARs.
>>64662938They're already better, you luddies refuse to see the power of having a full length barrel and a suppressor for the same length as a stock M4>muh reloadsLiterally not an issue, never has a firefight been decided by a cunt hair slower reload>bad triggersEver handle any military rifle ever? They all suck. Milspec AR sucks too but you're too pampered by the civ market to know how bad it gets>rail spaceUnless we're talking about the AUG (which even then, has rail extentions available), no. Aside from light, LAM, and optic, the fuck else are you putting on it?>can't swap shouldersNigger can you name a single conventional rifle that has completely ambidextrous ejection like a RDB or F2000?>bad balanceThe weight is focused to your shoulder, the fuck do you mean it's poorly balanced?I WILL fight on this hill to my last breath, ARfags have no soul, no ablity to discern truth by their own accord, they simply copy what the military does until they do something they can't afford. 90% of Spear cope is from ARfags being assblasted someone somewhere thought the AR was insufficient at anything. They cannot comprehend things aren't always perfect all the time and lie to themselves that the option they "chose" (read: told to buy) are flawless
>>64662957There's a reason all the euro bullpup countries are getting rid of bullpups. They aren't that good.
>>64663966>Ever handle any military rifle ever?Yes. AKs and ARs have pretty great triggers.
>>64663966I should add, the spear is shit. Would be better as a bullpup>>64663968Stupid nigger that doesn't understand anything award. Look up cost analysis and how many countries are even making guns in their country anymore. It has everything to do with not being able to make their own bullpup anymore or the fact a 416 is way cheaper than an AUG or Tavor. Why? Because Austrians are the real jews of Europe
>>64663968You mean there's a reason the VHS was adopted? Gotcha.
>>64663966>Nigger can you name a single conventional rifle that has completely ambidextrous ejection like a RDB or F2000?You've never touched a gun in your life, thanks for clarifying.
>>64663966Niggers are retarded, more news at 9.
>>64663981Oh boy, what a military powerhouse, Croatia! You're so right, we should all do what Croatia does!lmao
>>64662957No bayonet
>>64663963Would killing more Taliban in the mountains have won the war?
>>64662938The one thing every bullpup defender can't really make up cope about is that having weapon where the explosion happens next to your face is just inherently less optimal and safe than it happening at least where your hands are.You also have less access to the chamber and bolt without disassembly, and the magazine being closer to you means it either snags more or is pretty enclosed and harder to reach.
>>64664434>You also have less access to the chamber and bolt without disassembly,dissembling a tavor is literally the easiest thing to do on the planet, you pull one pin the buttpad folds down and the bolt comes out even crayon eating marines could handle that
>>64662938Yes the triggers can be shit but that's already sort of solved lol. The dude that makes the 3D-printed AUG conversions (nylaug I think) seems to have halved the trigger weight and made them half the price of the original gun. Honestly after seeing that one aussie cunt sperg the fuck out about bullpups for an hour I think I've come around in the ergos department. With the concession of mag placment, you could easily design an ergonomically superior weapon to the M4, but this will not be adopted or even created for over a century because of the titanic industrial inertia stoner's creation has had over the west for 60 years. Perhaps an illustrated/3d modeled ergo dream gun thread is in order
>>64664171apologize
>>64662984>>64662997Three years and six gorillion dollars of Jewgle investment capital and the Biofire, a NORMAL gun that just has an electric lock, is now dead-end vaporware after scamming a bunch of rubes out of their cash. A ELECTRICAL PRIMED gun is a fucking non-starter. It's not happening. Firerms are mature tech and will remain so until someone can shrink a battery small enough to reliably make an electromagnetic mass driver gun that shoots metal bolts at mach-Jesus.
>>64662938Can they make one that's decent? Probably.Is there any reason to when pretty much every weapon system except a basic bitch rifle is going to be replaced by AI trained drones? No.
>>64662938>Do you think they could improve it to a point that it could surpass the AR15 platform?No. It's backwards and that's retarded.
