>President Trump will announce Monday that the Navy is to build a new “Trump-class” battleship, which will become the centerpiece of the president’s vision for a new “Golden Fleet,” according to a U.S. official.>He has been personally involved in crafting plans for the Golden Fleet, The Wall Street Journal previously reported. The first ship in the class will be the USS Defiant, the official said.Battleshipbros, we are so back.
>>64667006>Trump-classSay sike, please say sike right now
>>64667006Nook powered?
>>64667006>He's naming the ships after himselfOriental despotism. Even African warlords don't have this level of hubris. What a joke.
>>64667006These will never be built unless they are just 15,000 tonne cruisers
>>64667014>Obsessed with gold to the point where you think he is a romanticized version of a Golden-Age of Pirates pirate captain>*Cough* F-47 *Cough*>The man who drew a hissy fit just so he can have his name on the Kennedy Center isn't doing something as outlandish as having a new line of ships named after him
>>64667025>Over the past few months, a Navy team developed and approved requirements for the new class of large-surface combatants, according to the U.S. official. The new ship will weigh 30,000 tons, larger than current destroyers, and have the ability to add future weapons like electromagnetic rail guns and directed energy lasers, according to one of the people familiar with the discussions.It's happening.
Russia-tier churkified failed state
>>64667036It's happening*When the design is finally ready after 5 years of development assuming the next administration doesn't realize how fucking stupid it is and immediately cancels it
That’s so fucking based
>>64667036>electromagnetic rail gunsheheheheheheahahahahahahahahaAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
>congress wants guns>Navy botches the whole concept by putting goofy rocket boosted artillery on a guided missile cruiser>blames congress for the next 30 years
>>64667025Yeah battlecruisers. At this point, fuck it. Just go all in and build some 60000t battleship / arsenal ship with hundreds of Tomahawks, ICBMs, ...
>>64667053Congress doesn't want this though. It's literally just Trump and Cocksbreath
I always thought battleships might come back if you wanted to build giga railguns, since you need a power source to power them so need a big superstructure so you need a big ship.... But if we're not going to build ACTUAL battleships, what's the point? This is Japan tier 'it's not an aircraft carrier lalalalalala' nonsense. Just build a 50,000 battleship with 300 VLS tubes on it and a pair of 16" turrets and call it a day.
>>64667006That's such an awful look, utterly classless.
>>64667006>mentality inept retard is directing the design of new wunderwaffeWo habt Ich das gesehen?
The other gem that just came out is that FF(X) frigate won't even fucking have real VLS, just containerized cells
I really want to meet the demographic that think him decorating the White House like he’s a pimp and throwing a hissy fit about everything thinks that’s badass. Like there are people who think it’s the coolest and bravest or something thing ever he’s demanding a new class of ship be called the “Trump” class.
Reminder that F-47 was definitely not named after Trump! It's a total coincidence!
>>64667062Republicans in Congress say yes to literally everything Trump wants and if he thinks they won’t he just makes it happen and the courts let him it.
>>64667074You do not want to meet these people. They are the most retarded bottom feeding dysgenic "humans" you will ever meet. There is also a significant demographic who think it's all fun or a bit silly and that's what they want from their government, entertainment.
>>64667076Thankfully I can just believe it was named in honor of the P-47.
>>64667006>navy has been reporting for years that it critically lacks smaller frigate class ships to support larger battle groups and to take over lower priority missions from the largest ships>marines have been reporting for decades that to deter China near it cost, it needs like 50 small transport ships to hop islands>any recent ships programs have been canceled due to retards adding random modifications and changing requirements mid ship building>umm, let's make battleships, massive floating targets for China called fucking golden fleet because orange nigger said so
>>64667080For some, sure. But a good number of them are starting to realize that they need to push back on his retardation before they get fucked over in the midterms. >if he thinks they won’t he just makes it happen and the courts let him it.Except the courts will tell Trump to fuck off, like they have multiple times. The real crux of the issue is that the cocksucker named Hegseth will just divert funds from elsewhere in order to fulfill his addiction to Trumps cum guzzling down his throat
>>64667020Given the time it will take he'll be out of off and dead by the time the first keel is laid down, so it actually fits current naming conventions.
>>64667073>FF(X) frigate won't even fucking have real VLS, just containerized cellsSource?
>>64667006>The first ship in the class will be the USS DefiantFuckin A. We're gonna shit all over those Dominion thirdies.
We're going home, bros... Finally..... Trump has made dreams REAL.
>>64667111>The initial flight of FF(X) will have a 57mm gun, 2 x 30mm guns, a Mk 49 Rolling Airframe Missile [launcher], various countermeasures, and a flight deck from which to launch helicopters and unmanned systems. Aft of the flight deck, there will be a flexible weapons system, which can accommodate containerized payloads (Counter-UAS, other missiles)https://www.twz.com/sea/navys-new-frigate-will-not-have-vertical-launch-systems-for-missiles
>>64667102>before they get fucked over in the midtermsHave you noticed how he's slowly been pushing the limits of how he can use the military and what can be designated a terrorist organization? There's a non-zero chance by the end of his term the Democratic Party has been declared a foreign insurgency.
>>64667006What a fucking retarded cunt.
>>64667102>midtermsThey are also working very hard to ensure that public opinion doesn't matter anymore with voter suppression & gerrymandering>Except the courts will tell Trump to fuck off, like they have multiple times.There's only one court that actually matters and it is VERY accommodating
>>64667119>battleships>57mm main armament
>>64667136That's the frigate not the battleship
>>64667140Eh, I won't let facts get in the way of how I feel
>>64667110There's no fucking way it will be called "Trump Class" by the time any of it gets launched. It will either get cancelled, or renamed.
>>64667156If Vance wins, it will probably keep the name Trump-class.
>>64667006I hope to god he is just renaming the FF(X) to the trump class. We cannot be so retarded as to bring back battleships in this day and age.
>>64667006What’s his obsession with naming everything after himself
>>64667097Given the supposed displacement and claimed armament I suspect that these are a combination of arsenal ship and point defense ship and likely nuclear powered because the navy has been shilling is new small modular reactors and there has been talk of giving them to the other armed forces, even as on base backup power for crayon eaters.>marines not getting what they want for the 80th time in a century>must a DrumpfWhether the design is retarded or not let us keep precedence in mind.
>>64667163>If Vance winsTrump himself will make sure he'll never win.
>>64667094>just believe it was named in honor of the P-47I like it. Let's do this together.
WE HAVE RENDERS!
>>64667167An ego-driven attempt to leave a "legacy" before he either croaks over or leaves office
>>64667192This the kind of shit I was drawing in second grade.
>>64667192>Defiant
>>64667196Last one.
>>64667192Holy shit, the Zumwalt is back.
Announcement is beginning soon at Mar-a-Lago.
>>64667121you must be too young to remember the axis of evil and obama's rampaging drone strikes
>>64667006Funny how Trump has no class
>>64667134Only for like 5 deeply red or semi-red states. Indiana also pushed back and said no despite the heavy handed push by Trump and his retards
>>64667163>fat faggot who wrote Hillbilly Elegy and has a jeeta as a "wife" is going to be electedTrump is barely perceived racist enough to be electable.
>>64667192>>64667196>its just a cruiser
>>64667165Rumor is they’re just talking about more or less a modern missile destroyer in the 15-20k ton range, but they’re calling it a battleship instead of a destroyer now. Which isn’t really inaccurate since that puts it in HMS Dreadnought’s weight class, but it’s also being done solely so retarded boomers with melted brains will seal clap that battleships are back. Even though it will basically just be DDG(X) or the old CG(X) concept with different branding.
>>64667199Is this just a Burke class but bigger?
>>64667006>The U.S. Navy has now confirmed to The War Zone that the armament package for the first “flight” of its new class of frigates, announced last Friday by Secretary of the Navy John Phelan, which will be based off of the U.S. Coast Guard’s Legend-Class National Security Cutter (NSC) and built by Huntington Ingalls Industries in Pascagoula, Mississippi, will not feature a built-in Vertical Launch System (VLS), but instead armaments similar to the Freedom and Independence-Class Littoral Combat Ships (LCS).>>NO VLShttps://fxtwitter.com/sentdefender/status/2003221770552173006What the fuck is this orange nigger doing
>>64667163Trump has already pin locally humiliated Vance multiple times including outright saying “you won’t be my successor”. Vance’s shot is the new tech gods that funded his political career (notably Thiel) and they’re behind the scenes starting to grab Washington by the balls. Vance is going to have to pick between MAGA (avatars of Baal) and nu-tech (followers of The Deciever)
>>64667192>>64667196>>64667199@Grok give me a battleship render
He said 20-25 ships, longer than Iowa class and larger . 2 in construction soon
>>64667216As soon as I saw the renders, I was fucking relieved. Its a destroyer + cruiser super mix instead of a horribly outdated and useless "Super" Iowa class.
>>64667163Not even Trump thinks Vance will win, which is why he's meming about a third term.DeSantis makes a better Trump-like, if for any reason there are people who still want a MAGAfag by 2028.
>>64667224I guess it qualifies as an arsenal ship? Should be close to 200vls
>>64667199>>64667196>>64667192>NEW BATTLESHIP IT'S GOING TO BE THE GREATEST BATTLESHIP EVER, THE BEST. AND IT'S GOING TO BE NAMED AFTER ME, DONALD TRUMP>HERE ARE THE RENDERS, SO GREAT, WE HIRED GREAT ARTISTS. THE BEST. TO DO RENDERS.>*reveal*>....>It's just a 2.0 TiconSigh.
>>64667220>too dumb to read the article he linked>too dumb to read the threadretard alert go back to twitter you stupid mouthbreathing nigger
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_53yJh2uuIc
>>64667062>Congress doesn't want this though. It's literally just Trump and CocksbreathChinks are planning to build a 25-30K supercruiser.. The deckhouse mockup was spotted on satellite images.
>>64667221Vance is going to be president lol. Ignore polling data at your own peril
>>64667245>Chinks are planning to build a 25-30K supercruiserSource?
>>64667229If people wanted an Arsenal ship, they would just take Ohios SSBN and retrofit more of them to SSGNs.
>>64667243Okay, I'll be honest, he definitely doesn't sound all there.
>>64667228>DeSantislollmao even >>64667231It just being CG(X) with some self aggrandizement is the best you could hope for honestly
>>64667119This is LCS II - The Boatalooo. And now it is promoted to frigate, when it was not even worthy of being called a corvette before? It was nothing more than an ocean going fast attack craft, commonly called a "missile boat".
Are really big ships besides Aircraft carriers even useful? Like just build two destroyers instead of one of these and put the weapons on them. Much more flexible and useful
>>64667006He's so desperate to put his name on things so he'll be remembered for something he deems worthy of himself. He's only going to be in the history books as "D. Trump, traitor, moron."
>>64667273Its big and Trump likes big ships anon
>>64667220>frigates small size means a small compliment of VLS tubes>all navies have repeatedly failed to make the VLS tubes easily reloadable under most sea states>frigates have shittier sea keeping inherently due to size>just put the missiles in box launchers>Frigate is used like a Destroyer Leader in the old IJA for a compliment of unmanned or undermanned boatsThis isn't actually a retarded concept, The US was always hesitant to invest in Frigates because they were perceived of as too vulnerable. But under this hypothetical doctrine the Frigate is less exposed and the assets it is commanding are expendable. I am biased because I have advocated this shit for a decade but seems legit even if only as a trial program.
>Yes we are building super trump class make America great again battleships with lasers and railgunsMeanwhile in the real world the Navy is ditching EMALS from carriers because they can’t figure out how to make it work and going back to 1832 year technology of steam catapults, the shipyards are a joke and fucking Carriers have damage covered up by flags.Just lmao
>>64667273No, Aircraft Carriers benefit from economics of scale from their reactors to hanger capacity. There's a reason why Arsenal Ships were dropped as an idea.
So will they be nuclear powered or not?
>>64667273>Are really big ships besides Aircraft carriers even useful?These ships will not be engaged in kinetic combat, instead their main role will consist of what kids these days call "aura farming"
>>64667266The issue of the LCS was that it did have an anemic loadout, with the idea that it could have models and magazines for its VLS tubes switched out. Much like a reloading program for all the destroyers this turned out to be more difficult than expected. Assuming that nobody fucks up or cancels this system the mission profile changing "modules" are external to the ship in the form of independent autonomous vessels. And the reloading is done in the same way it was for the Iowa class' retrofit box launchers or so I would assume.
>>64667287The timeline in which arsenal ships were chosen over aircraft carriers yields a significantly stronger earth. The carrier is a historic mistake.
>>64667273Navy has a staffing shortage and can’t man the ships they have. There’s two ways to try and fix that when you can’t get people to join. First is what they’ve been trying and failing to do, and that’s have more smaller ships with much lower manning requirements. That hasn’t worked so now it’s plan B, make a smaller number of bigger ships that command some unmanned ships that they offload work to in an attempt to make up the number difference. No saying if that works, but plan A has been failing for decades and this at least tracks better with DoD’s desire to gold plate any ship with people on it.
>>64667006...
>>64667291they'll be powered by the fusion reactors that trump's company is invested in, and they'll have railguns and lasers that go "pew pew"
>>64667287Arsenal ships would make sense if you were focusing on lasers for medium range fleet defense and wanted space for multiple redundant reactors. Or wanted a platform to launch expendable drones from for additional observation for fleet defense or dropping sonobuoys. Or wanted a stable platform so that you might actually be able to reload the VLS system, have internal magazines for said system, or maybe just enough tubes to not give a shit,Still the proposed system probably needs another 30,000 tons to be what you'd want for an arsenal ship.
>>64667306Interesting answer, makes actually sense under the glamour of a "battleship"
>>64667316Or just make SSGN hulls.
>>64667306Kick all the non-whites and women out and bump pay by 50% with larger pay increases for technical roles. That's the actual solution to staffing problems in every state or corporate venture, be for obvious reasons it doesn't happen.
>>64667308Did they fucking use AI for this?
>>64667306I read an opinion from a guy who claimed that the navy would get far more recruits if they spent less time on sea and more time in port, with crew getting to live in normal housing. So they basically have a normal day job with short training cruises every now and then, and only deploy to sea in war.
>>64667306Ah so the ol' F-117 trick? Designate it a fighter so people sign up to pilot it, then find out it's actually a bomber, not a fighter and people don't want to do the 'boring' job of bombing. So call it a battleship so people want to sign up to be part of it. I see. I see. Good.
>>64667327ChatGPT draw me a picture of a battleship, make sure to include lasers
>>64667250
>>64667327Considering the name on the ship says either Befiant or Gefiant it more than likely is
>>64667192>>64667196>>64667199So how much money are we gonna blow on these things?
>>64667327Given a lot of things we've seen. I am almost certain it's Grok.
>>64667337Somewhere between a gorillion and a goyillion dollars
>>64667337all of it
>>64667196>That sealAbsolutely-fucking-not.
>>64667250The full image. A total beam of 27-28 meters or so would mean its tonnage could be guesstimated to about 30K tons.
>>64667321I don't know, with the proliferation of naval airpower due to unmanned systems we might be looking at a future filled with sonobuoys.
>>64667006this is what americans wanted. The ones who gave a shit and the ones in opposition. latter by not being able to find a normal and decent candidate with an appealing message to save their livesTemu putinism and it is exactly what is being delivered
>>64667163Vance could win two terms and the ships won't be finished by then.
>>64667318>25 186 vertical launch cell ships in the next three years with penalties for any delays by the shipbuilders to be armed with the new hypersonic missiles, which alone is more than the rest of the world combined stop, i can only get so erect
>>64667036>>Over the past few months, a Navy team developed and approved requirements for the new class of large-surface combatants, according to the U.S. official. The new ship will weigh 30,000 tons, larger than current destroyers, and have the ability to add future weapons like electromagnetic rail guns and directed energy lasers, according to one of the people familiar with the discussions.Good. We all knew this technology was possible, but in its infancy. All we have to do is throw enough money at it and drag it begging and screaming through terribly inefficient development cycles to mature it. Imagine a railgun battleship that can shoot down any line of sight missile munitions heading its way. Add a fleet to defend against torpedo attack and gunboat diplomacy is back.
AYYYY LMAO
america is going to get fucking crucified in the war with china over taiwan
>>64667368They will pussy out. The whole South China Sea is a killzone prepared for the USN. Theres a reason they stopped playing the carrier games through the Taiwan straits.
>>64667216>Which isn’t really inaccurate since that puts it in HMS Dreadnought’s weight classit weighs 50% more than dreadnought.
>>64667360>railgun battleshipMeanwhile in reality, everyone started realizing again that missiles still the job a lot better despite their added costs over shells.
>>64667368It's just the CG(X) brother. Clear your mind of the trump dressing for a moment and just realize it's a new age Ticonderoga.
>>64667201>The Library>no booksOn brand for him and his followers.
>>64667327Everything from the name to the scale of the guns and radars is all fucked up. What do you think?
>>64667368The US won’t intervene in a MAGA administration. It’s reaching a quiet agreement it seems that everyone will just play in their own back yard now.
>>64667382The sad thing is that you're right. The ship looks like a stretched out Tico
>>64667203You must be too young to remember Obama if you think he was in anyway comparable to what trump is doing now
>>64667192>>64667196>>64667199GI Joe wasn't supposed to be a documentary.
>>64667201Strategic class weaponized cringe
>>64667380Can't shoot down a solid mass projectile, just knock it off course enough. With enough speed it's nigh impossible. It's the ultimate *ahem* trump card to naval artillery.
>>64667382>Clear your mind of the trump dressingNo. That would make the whole clownshow just tragic. With Trump in the game, it's hilarious.I can't wait for the whole class being renamed, the order reduced to two, and more Burkes being ordered.
I'm so fucking tired bros
>>64667203I remember people freaking the fuck out about Obama deploying the military on US soil, something he ultimately didn't do.So where are those people now and how much boot polish have they ingested?
>>64667418Meanwhile missiles still have much larger range, can go fast, and have course guidance to make sure you can't just track the shell back to the origin point. Solid shots still need mid-course guidance in the kill chain and probably terminal guidance as well. At some point, you just built a missile but without a rocket motor.
>>64667192You can't make up this shit>Your battle group failed to intercept the enemy fighters now in knife fighting distance>One ship is actively burning>Fire at will in all directions, you can pretend you fought bravely if you ran out of ammo.
>>64667395I'm hoping that it's pretty decent since the Ticon is, itself, pretty decent. We're probably only going to build (if we get there) like 10 of these super Ticos to be joined at the hip to any of our CVNs.
I see we have adopted the Baden-Württemberg school of ship building
I know with all my heart they’re going to name one after Charlie Kirk
If this nigger is not a Chink-russian asset my dog is.
>>64667390But China is playing in other peoples back yards, thats the whole problem
>>64667430Trump simps will blow their brains out if they know the bullet will pass through them and hit one of their “enemies” too. Their own liberties don’t matter anymore it’s just about getting back at people because???
>>64667430Social Media has created a breed of brain-damaged syncophants who are completly brainwashed to their political sports team or leader
>>64667444Not if you subscribe to the "spheres of influence" meme, which unfortunately is everyone in the admin now.
>>64667368There won’t be a war, the US is already bought and paid for.
>>64667431The idea is that you can just rock this up into missile country, swathing a path missile wreckage and laser shoot-downs, and they know it's coming just like the death star into rail gun range. It would be glorious.Do you not like cool things? Are you, perchance, a mincing homo?
>>64667440The Arliegh Kirk Class
>>64667460I'd rather hang out with the mincing homos than the drooling retards.
>>64667474>I am gayWe know.
>Trump says the new battleships will "carry the nuclear armed cruise missiles currently under development"Sure, whatever I guess
>>64667020https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Franz_Joseph_I-class_cruiserwholesome chungus Europeans would never name ships after themselves!
>>64667491That's actually smart. Aggression against it is inherently a war going nuclear.
>>64667501What difference does this make over the SSGN and SSBN fleet having nukes? Just load the SSGNs with nuclear capable Tomahawks.
>>64667006I hate this fucking orange fuck
>>64667501It really isn't. Almost every Cold War era ship carried nukes, either as anti-sub weapons or anti air. Soviets of course had nuclear cruise missiles on all their surface combatants.
>>64667506Plausible deniability when it's underwater. This is a capital ship. It's wargame theory if a carrier is nukes flying, but a nuke-armed battleship definitely is. It's really just bringing back gunboat diplomacy.
>>64667195But things can get renamed
>>64667523I don't think you understand how narcissists operate.
>>64667517And that was also MAD if either country touched each other. We're in a non-cold cold war right now, and the threats are not military but economic and information. This brings it back a little bit to regular old might.Think of this thing doing "humanitarian" aid in the South China Sea.
>>64667062Congress is just a rubber stamp assembly for Trump. They surrendered all their power to him.
>>64667537Not everything, NDAA has things especially that aren't for Trump or rather against him. Like making troops aren't pulled out of Europe to make sure Trump doesn't try fucking around with NATO.
>>64667163MAGA can't survive without Trump, and Trump is going to be full-blown demented by 2028
I always knew the guy was a malignant narcissist, but I think this past year truly showed how truly horrid it actually was
>>64667390And when will MAGA stay in their back yard?
>>64667460Sure, but that doesn't work. The Chinese will just run the math on the maximum number of missiles it could possibly swat then fire N+1 and it dies.
>>64667548import the third world, become the third world
>>64667556And then they can run the math on if it's a good tradeoff for a full nuclear exchange with the entirety of the United States. What, do you think this is World of Warships or something?
>>64667199Reminds me of Mechwarrior 2 models
>>64667548All guardrails were blown off this term which is the issue and the fact that he's frankly losing it due to his age.
Jesus christ, I'm actually going to live to watch the end of pax americana. What an awful time to have eyes and ears.
>>64667572I wish I could go back in time to 2001 and prevent 9/11. That was where it all went terribly wrong.
>>64667006>Reddit seethe, the threadInb4 mods remove the thread for triggering the dilating reddit trannies
>>64667570It's a lame duck session, but with a rubber stamp instead of inaction. It's actually pretty badass to see in motion. I was sick of backhanded bullshit democrat "regular" politics anyway. They sewed the wind, now reap the whirlwind.
>>64667548At least when the British Empire crumbled the PM and his cabinet didn't spend the entire time posting cringe
>>64667545I'm totally sure that these laws will be followed with the same respect that the Epstein release was.
>>64667572Pax Americana end was in 2008, after that USA went in a downhill with nigger president, Trump MK1, The Senile One and now with Dictator Perpetuo Trump "The Golden One", dont want enter in politics, but after this guy end his term America really need to reflect those niggers they put in charge.
>>64667308Oh my fucking god it's literally AI slop, I'm done man. I'm just fucking done
>>64667568You’re the one talking about sending a railgun laser battleship to shoot at a nuclear armed enemy buddy
>>64667556That would be the case for a battle group as well. That flaw extends to any missile defense system with limited magazine depth. The question of whether or not these ships make sense will be determined by how many cells they can deliver for a given cost in money and crew. Every attempt to build smaller ships to make a more distributed fleet in recent memory has failed, and we don’t have the sailors to man that fleet even if it did appear. It hasn’t worked so far and we haven’t seen any compelling reason to believe the Navy will manage to make it work soon. So a pivot to putting more eggs in a smaller number of larger baskets is really the only way to go from here. It looks like they intend to make up the hull deficit with unmanned platforms, similar to what every relevant Air Force is attempting with CCAs. While the way it’s being pitched is gaudy and awful, the concept itself is sound and this is probably a result of the Navy finally finding an officer that knows how to massage Trump’s ego to get what they want.
>>64667597>Dictator Perpetuo TrumpIs everyone on this board just a brown retard now?
>>64667603It's not going to be shooting anything, it's a fleet in being. It's a giant dick swing that can be put in anyone's backyard, and it's awesome. The fact that it's a legitimate paradigm shift in the misiles-misiles-missiles-missile spam only is also a plus. What, do you think this thing will be attacking in a vacuum instead of backed up by an entire missile spam fleet of its own?Makes as much sense as another aircraft carrier.
>>64667613This is some G.I.JOE toy set box art shit right there.
>>64667614Ok well let us know when the US decides to catch up to China in railgun tech.
where are the rail guns
>>64667637Did you miss the part that it's only being called a battleship. Thing's a AA cruiser with the laser defense. It can be used in conjunction with an aircraft carrier fleet.
>>64667498A literal emperor named it after themselves
>>64667656Ok well let us know when the US decides to catch up to China in laser tech.
>>64667660Trump would crown himself Emperor of the USA if he thought he could get away with it.
>>64667199holy FUCK that thing is twice the size of new yorj!
>>64667666That's what's being done by making the ship, dumbass. It necessarily forces rail gun development.
>>64667676*rail gun and laser defense*
Pulling from the WSJ article on it I get this: > Golden Fleet will comprise a number of large warships outfitted with more powerful long-range missiles, even potentially hypersonic missiles, along with a larger number of a new small ship, the frigate. The new frigate will be based on the Coast Guard’s Legend-class National Security Cutter, which Ingalls builds in Pascagoula, Miss., and will replace the Constellation-class frigate that the Navy canceled last month after years of delays.Jesus, this fleet is gonna get wiped out in one embarrassing battle. A few handful of big budget behemoth and a bunch of retrofit coast guard. Who thought this was a good idea. Talk about putting all your eggs in one basket
How long until morons on here start talking about how new battleships are an amazing idea and anyone who says otherwise has TDS?
>>64667680>who thought this was a good ideaWell OP has your answer.
>>64667687its already happening
>>64667613This is the kinda of shit they put on graphics card boxes back in 2002
>>64667637Still waiting on footage of that chinese railgun firing btw
>>64667695not enough hot women with short haircuts
>>64667676Well you just finished pulling the EMALS off the Ford so good luck I guess
This is so retarded but it's also so funny.
>>64667694>switches viewpoints to match schizophrenic ramblings of dear leader>calls anyone who criticizes any of his ideas derangedThese are the same people who will go on unprompted rants about random democrats that haven’t been relevant in a decade.
>>64667687This isn't your thread to complain about Trump. There's an interesting discussion to be had here about a novel development (even if it turns out to be a meme) but you fags are derailing the conversation to make it all about the chuds you hate again. Go back to your own country.
>>64667697They are ahead by default simply by launching planes with EMALS which America can’t seem to figure out. Pretty sure being able to launch a plane reliably is required to be able to make a reliable railgun.
So there's 0% chance this actually gets build and it's simply a case of someone making a few AI renders to satisfy Trump, but mainly Hegseth who thinks big ships are hecking based and masculine?
>>64667703We just proposed a nuclear powered rail gun and laser defense battleship. What the hell do you think we're doing here? It makes perfect sense when the only thing holding both those technologies back were power requirements. Add both rail gun and energy weapon point defense to the current missile and aircraft carrier fleet and we're Gucci.
>>64667006People laughed at me when I said Battleships would be coming back with laser guns.Well no ones laughing now.
>>64667680What is his absolute obsession with gold
>>64667716Fuck off retard.
>>64667715I can propose antimatter powered flying saucers but that doesn’t mean it’s going to happen.
>>64667717If cash is King, then gold is the Emperor.
>>64667717He's transslavic
>>64667709>President proposes bafflingly retarded idea>Names it after himself>magafags posting about how awesome Trump is>they start shrieking the moment anything bad is said about their daddyImmediately proving my point, as usual.Did I hurt the heritage American’s feelings? I was born here faggot, and given the ever decreasing age of the average anon I was probably born here before you.
>>64667720We already have rail guns and lasers, with a public military track record. If we had the others, then sure.
>>64667719They told me to do that as well.
>>64667729But that's exactly what the idea of "heritage american" wants to discount, that being born here isn't enough and you have to descend from the pilgrims or slaves to be real Americans.
Trumpfags are the bronies of politics.
>>64667717Have you seen russian oligarch mansions? They all have tacky shit like gold toilets.
>>64667730>Rail gunThat deletes its own barrel and the project got canned.>LasersThe difference between shooting toy drones at close range and Mach 7 missiles at the horizon is night and day.
>>64667559I don't know, anon. Pretty sure the white people chose that faggot.
we aren't clownswe are the circuswhen does the ride end
>>64667716No I am laughing. Actually I haven't laughed this hard in months.
>>64667735we need a new global rule 15
>Trump: "The US Navy will lead the design of these ships along with me, because I'm a very aesthetic person"
>>64667742
Do nothing...
So are these ships actually retarded, or is the president thinking they are BBs the only retard here?
>>64667739Proposing this ship and funds necessitates maturing the development cycle of technology.Why do you think the AR15 is the pinnacle of small arms for the individual rifleman? It had a bunch of teething issues and now it's practically flawless.
>>64667748This is a real fucking quote
>>64667337Less than USAID going to prop up the entire third world's birth rates. That being said I don't want this shit either and am having a REALLY hard time justifying paying my federal taxes this year.
>itt: a bunch of anti America, pro Ruzzia pro chinese internet trolls make fake outrage and sow dissent against America How the fuck is expanding our Navy and making it bigger and more powerful a “bad thing”? Fuckin dweebs
>>64667192Fake, here's the actual render:
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>>64667778You don't expand the navy and make it bigger and more powerful by pouring money into an obsolete weapon of war that hasn't mattered since the 1940s.
>>64667214And? Being racist is not a bad thing unless youre brown
>>64667782LMAO
>>64667220>Ask boomer dear leader if there's battleships in the future>Tell him I don't want light battleship wannabes like cruisers or frigates >It's the biggest battleship ever sir >Look inside, more frigates and cruisers
>>64667786>I am smarter than the smartest people in the pentagon and the President’s cabinet I doubt it
>>64667741das the joke, don't for a fucking second think your race ever makes you superior or immune to fault
>>64667680Hegeseth or whatever saw it in a dream and realized it was the proper Navy for the warrior mindset >>64667717It’s been his whole life. Him and Epstein fell out over them bidding for a property Epstein was loudly concerned Trump would ruin the character of and turn into a gold plated monstrosity
>>64667278>all navies have repeatedly failed to make the VLS tubes easily reloadable under most sea statesO rly? https://www.navsea.navy.mil/Media/News/Article/3935575/navy-demonstrates-first-at-sea-reloading-of-vertical-launching-system/
>>64667795>I am smarter than the smartest people in the pentagon and the President’s cabinet does he know?
>>64667789I never said it was, quite the opposite. Though being racist is still a good survival strategy for shitskins as well and has served them well for centuries, it just won't save them from us.
>>64667786It doesn’t have anything in common with a battleship, it just shares the name. It’s basically the old CG(X) concept built off something other than a Zumwalt derived hull. The Navy has needed something on a larger than Burke hull for a while now, as those are overloaded and can’t meet future power demands. Size something to meet those demands with some growth margin and you end up with this.
Bahahahahaa... FUCK
>>64667795>the cabinet
>>64667793It actually makes perfect sense as a weapons platform. The new technologies of rail guns and laser los missile defense are bottlenecked on power consumption. Make it nuclear powered, big hull, and put them on that. It necessitates us working out the kinks to get it working. Give it window dressing as a "battleship," for the normies, because they don't know what an AA cruiser is, and we don't have a definition for modern day fast monitor, and fuck year we're there!We just added two new tools to the fleet.
>>64667786yeah sure thing Ivan whatever you say
VLS is a libtard Democrat scam, it’s unnecessary
>>64667006He genuinely might be the most retarded person on earth
>>64667806>the cabaret
>>64667799>first>late 2024>relatively calm sea in picYour article proves his point better than yours.
>>64667201Three pictures of the same ship, all different designs.
>>64667807Lockmart literally made a naval catamaran rocket cruiser in the 70s. The economy was shit then, and it's shit now. Shameful to take my beloved class of ships and approve ozempic surviving ships as one of my thicc bitches
>>64667273No they are absolutely not, this is an act of pure stupidity
>all the pissed of europoors and banned /pol/ers in the threadThis is based
Nobody gives a fuck about the chinese, Trump already gave them the green light to take Taipei back. Large scary battleships are just fine for keeping latinx vassal nations in check.
>>64667322>staffing shortage>strip your work force of half its available candidatesThank god nobody has ever put you in charge of anything important
>>64667498>look, we're just like antiquated austro-hungarian aristocracy>that's a good thing when trump does it actually!not helping your argument lmao.
coping changs BTFO
>>64667306Here's an idea, the same idea that would fix recruitment and retention issues in every branch of every western militaryBetter crew conditions, better pay and give the crew an actual purpose,
>>64667838>reddit frog poster
>>64667838>MIGA's still running damage control for dear leaderembarrassing.
>>64667192>>64667196>>64667199>giant trees to the left>giga-flag on the ship>big brown blob in the middle of the sea(ellis island?)>messed up skylineObviously the background is AI generated, but I'm shocked that the ship still looks like 90's CGI. Did they have Baron model these in blender or what?
>>64667868>>64667872Cope changs
>>64667853I'm sorry did you say more money for AI companies?
>>64667806>REEEE HOW DARE A PERSON PARTY!!!!>REEEEHello jeet.
>>64667453Fucking retards literally pissing global dominance down the drainHow can anyone be this dogshit
>>64667863>32 MJ railgun>similar muzzle energy than a 155 mm Assegai>probably less muzzle energy than the Koksan
The navy is just for sure anyways. All of our real force projection is the Air Force and space force. VLS is useless in anti drug trafficking operations anyways
>>64667881>nooooooo ur a chang because you hurt my feelingsi actually want the US to squash bugmen.building a bunch of shitty shore bombardment platforms because the senile retard in charge thinks they look manlier (getting annihalated by ASM's is not manly btw) is not going to help us do that.
saying that these prove a war between China and the USA will result in the USA losing only proves that the US can build ships in a timely fashion saying that these are useless or bloated or unnecessary proves that you believe things like laser defenses, railguns, and new ships at all are hot airsaying that these ships exist to stroke trumps ego risks tacking on more credit to him should they prove successfulalso this plan includes a shipbuilding overhaul outside of the ships themselves, which is a good thing>It's being done to stroke trumps egoI just don't think I should trash announcements to stroke your ego instead see: the parade which nobody gives a shit about or gave a shit about (and is radically different from building / designing boats)
>>64667881>>64667899no amount of name calling will save your orange nigga from losing the midtermscope seethe dilate this this will be cancelled in 2029 btw
>>64667899>i want drunk retards to make decisions for mekegsbreath is right up your alley for sure then.
>>64667917Anon don't let the /pol/tard bait you, everyone who understands ships knows this is a retarded idea.
>>64667924>>64667917>N-NO YOU HAVE HURT FEELINGS!!!cope and seethe changs, this ship has been talked about for a long while, whoever won the election was going to name it. It's just a new class of destroyer mean to handle weapons like rail guns that regular ships can't be retrofitted with. You are just pissy because China could litterally never and just have to spam fishing boats
>>64667006Wait, doesn't he need to be dead to have a ship named after him?
>>64667917>ivan from Miami oblast doesn’t like that America is strengthening her Navy water is wet Ivan ruzzki bitch you lost
>>64667939>>64667944you need to find a new hobby, pretending to be retarded online is basically humiliating yourself for little scraps of attention, it's slowly killing your soul from the inside.
>>64667953>he says, humaliating himself for scraps of attention
>>64667917Calling it a battleship doesn’t make it one. It’s a modern take on CG(X) now that we have a better idea of what the power demand for lasers and a railgun will actually be. Since there aren’t enough nuke techs to put a reactor on these, that means the size of the ship is being driven by the massive machinery spaces it will need to power those, and they’ve used the added space to fit more vls farms. The railgun probably isn’t intended for shore bombardment either, even though they’ve probably sold it to Trump that way, as BAE for example is working on a new projectile in large part meant for missile defense to help with the ever present magazine depth issue with Bo’s air defense. https://www.baesystems.com/en/product/hyper-velocity-projectile-hvp
>>64667944Water isn't wet, water makes things wet. Dumbass
>>64667613>mounting CIWS laser turrets on the deck between two areas of superstructure that block 50% of their firing arcWhy would you do this?
>>64667882No that's fucking reta... y-yes boss...
>>64667964He calls it a "battleship" because it makes him look better and it's easier to understand than "we are making a newer sub-sub-sub class of destroyer"
>>64667006Oh look trump is doing what he always does>Throw out option A and option B>Really want option A but congress doesn't want it because they hate you>Make publicity stunt about option B>Congress doesn't want you to succeed with option B and will vote for option ARinse repeat for everything, but this time you have a angry jeets shitposting about it.
>>64667994What was option A? Another soccer related peace award?
at least we can comfort ourselves with the fact that this piece of shit will never be build
>>64667994>Its 5d chess!No, its senility
>>64668001You must unironically be a Chang if you think this isn't being built. This is something the navy has been talking about for a while now
>>64667863I like the idea of a new bigger ship but holy shit only 28 VLS cells? The modern battleship should be heavily missile focused. I would expect no less than 40. Yeah the CPS kinda counts but still. It's not enough. A modern battleship should be a vessel with enough missiles onboard to destroy most militaries on it's own while also being the heart of the fleet's defensive systems. You're not parking offshore and firing off 16 inchers anymore. The name of the game is missiles and maybe sometimes a few railgun shots.Overall honestly you'd get better designs for a modern battleship out of the NavalArt community.>all this reeeing about Big Orange one way or the otherI firmly maintain my belief that posting on /pol/ should automatically non-punitively ban you from /k/ for no less than two weeks while explicitly weapon related politics should have an uncapped weekly sticky.
>>64667994lmao the cope
>>64667006I think they will all agree to stop naming ships after people after this
>>64668012It's not a battleship but a newer class of crusier/destroyer. Trump called it a battleship because it sounds better
first target
>>64667249Vance is trans.
>>64667795>I am smarter than the smartest people in the pentagonNo.>and the President’s cabinetYes.
>>64668026Greenland has been soft blockade for decades now anon. Let's not pretend that this isn't the first admin or military brass that has wanted it
>>64668026Is this real?Is his brain literally melting or something?
>>64668023We're in the age where you can call a tugboat with some 84s a guided missile destroyer if you felt like it. I think the entire classing system is fucked.Still bothers me that he'd call something so under powered a battleship. Battleships should ALWAYS have obscene "all your eggs in one basket" tier weapons loadouts.
>>64668041so many targets
>>64667988They’re saying it’s going to be north of 30k tons, meaning battleship or battlecruiser are both much fairer designations. >>64668012The first renders show another vls farm firing aft but that one omits it. I’d assume it’s at least the same size but very possibly larger
>Trump classWill be cancelled and forgotten by California man or Jewish Virginia man
>>64668041Yes it's real and yes it has melted. And nobody is listening nor do they care.
>>64668026What a doddering old retard
>>64667748>I'm a very aesthetic personhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XOlBFTDWn1U
how infertile will the poor servicemen on this ship be?
>>64668044The term "battleship" really in itself is worthless since real "battleships" varied really badly.
esthetically i find that a one-syllable name is too short for a class. two would be better, three is ideal
>>64668041Trump was mentally retarded before but now he's suffering from dementia and a heart attack.
>>64668010the only shipyard capable of building ships this size Newport, and they are currently occupied with the construction of Kennedy and Enterprise. So yeah Blumpf is flapping his gums without any actual consequence
>>64668065Donald class
where da battleships at?
>>64668034>soft blockademidwit detected
>>64668045What the fuck, why did he pardon the Honduran president jailed for drug trafficking then?
so many ships
>>64668070>US'S defiantTrump is a siskochad. Makes sense that all the Picardfags in this threas hate this new ship
>>64668076The same reason he pardoned the guy behind the Silk Road, it's all vibes and bribes
>>64668044USNI is saying nuclear cruise missiles,128 Mk.41s with 12 hypersonic cells, plus a railgun, 2x5” guns, a lot of different lasers, plus RAM cells. If they have it right I believe it would probably qualify as the most heavily armed conventional surface ship ever built.
>>64668045>my feet hurt>nobody invites me to the group chats any more>oh fuck what the hell did he just say>I wish I was back in the senate hawking over Russia
the Simpsons predicted this
>>64668068It isn’t as flashy so the news hasn’t been talking about it, but the plan is apparently to dump a ton of money into the Philly yard and build them there.
>>64668046I sincerely hope that second aft block is there but if it's dedicated to a flight deck/hangar instead that'd really limit it's capability unless you were able to rig up a temporary landing pad over the aft cells as part of the design. A stowable helipad would be pretty interesting.>>64668064It always meant the thickest armor and biggest guns on the biggest non-carrier hulls in larger quantity than you'd have on a battlecruiser. In WWII classing was pretty clear but now everything really is basically an oversized destroyer of some sort.
>>64668082Only 128 cells? That's not very many for the weight. I can't imagine this thing will be over 20k t.
>>64668088His eyes aren't facing the same way
>>64668026This is fake news and it's so obvious it hurts. Only gay LIBERAL propaganda outlets call North Trumpland, which has ALWAYS been AMERICAN, by the name "Greenland". They call it that because they want to grow DRUGS there. And Denmark couldn't go there 300 years ago because that was before America invented the FREEDOM to go outside.
>>64667119So in addition to being more expensive ($700m vs $400m), less protected (9070.1 (1988) Level I with shock hardening waiver vs 9070.1b Level I), slower (28 kts vs 44 kts), and less capable (no mine clearing capability), it's not even any better armed apart from a couple of shipping containers on the back?
>>64667006It's like a game of Tropico
>>64667006>make huge-ass expensive warship>gets dronedWhat now, orange man?
>>64668091How the fuck do the retards plan on manning it? America has no welders with or without experience necessary.
>>64667847Every one of them is a net detriment to force readiness or the functioning of a business. inb4 "but I know a nigger who is smart and competent", good for you that means you can as him what a statistical outlier is and then apply that knowledge to his current circumstances.Cut the fat faggot, cut it all. And then offer better pay to attack useful staff.
>>64668077Yup. These new warships will have all the quality of Liberty and Victory ships.This fucking moron.
>>64668070Why do I feel like this is like toadies of a third world dictator coming up with fantasy projects to keep their boss occupied so they don't get gulag'd?
>>64668103The israel/Iran conflicts shows that drones are a giant meme against actual countries with real air defense systems. A theoretical US vs China will not be a drone hellhole like third world counties have to fight with
>>64668104AI will do it, idk
>>64668094I assume the weight will mainly be driven by machinery spaces for energy generation. If USNI has the right specs they want half a dozen lasers of various sizes plus a 32MJ railgun. Plus there’s still the 12 cells for the conventional prompt strike, which are a lot larger than regular cells. IIRC on Zumwalt the new cells are sized to accommodate 3 of those or 7 normal missiles, so they eat a lot of real estate.
>>64668082That still feels anemic to me. That trimaran I posted has something like 288 cells aboard. The carrier has so many the only ones I counted when writing the lore dump were the nukes lol.
>>64668094It will be made out of gold and marble.
>>64667774>military spending with Trumpcons at the helm>lessHaha.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!EVERYONE POINT AND LAUGH AT THIS STUPID NIGGER!
>>64668127Based and orokin pilled
>>64668131>third worlder crying
here are the specs
There is no theoretical China/usa naval conflict because we already made the deal to let them reconquer Taipei
>>64668068trump said he is gonna reopen philly and build them there
>>64668142>2 RAM launchersWell that explains the DDR5 inflation
>>64668126The RAM cells, lasers, and various guns with the HVP intended in large part for missile defense would in theory allow you to load more of your cells with offensive munitions compared to current ships, meaning that even though you’re not doubling your cell count you can potentially more than double your striking power. Or at least I’d assume that’s the theory.
>>64668082>wants a railgun on the ship class he demands to have named after himself>wants to get rid of EMALSSomeone please make it make sense for me.
>color gold>has railguns>point defense lasers>Made in the USI don't care what you all say about this, this is absolutely based and CnC pilled, Trump wanting to make GDI+US with conservative countries gets my thumbs up.
>>64668160This guy thinks trump even remember about the emals ranting and the EO
>>64668162Basically just a bunch of Europeans and third worlders seething because the US is actually building the railgunboat that we've talked about for decades now, meanwhile they can only build aircraft carriers with a fucking ramp
>>64668156I don't even get why it has the RAM launchers. Pretty much nothing else with VLS has them because ESSM is so much better.
>>64667006Did the US Navy know that it was getting new ships, or did Trump conceive of the class without asking his Navy about the necessity? Or at least about its usability? In any case, the new class only serves as the steel embodiment of his craving for attention. Who ever thought of naming a class of ships after themselves?Battleships, for goodness' sake. What century are we living in? Why not just create a beautiful new class of galleys with the largest, most masculine battering ram?
>>64667795The average 12 year old is smarter than the presidents cabinet
>>64667076Reminder that the F-35 should have been the F-25, and the B-21 should have been the B-3. And we should stop naming carriers after people; we have dozens of historical carrier names that can be reused.
>>64668150heh
>>64668176They’ve been showing up on a lot of the new concepts, iirc often in place of Phalanx. I’d imagine the thinking is they’re better against cheap munition spam, offering a longer engagement range than the small guns while not making you waste more capable missiles against low end threats. Given recent trends I imagine that’s a major concern and likely explains the 4x30mm guns also.
>>64668184>DID THEY NAVY KNOW THEY WERE GETTING THE SHIP THEY HAVE BEEN DEMANDING EVER SINCE RAILGUNS WERE PUT ON SHIPS?please never post on /k/ you fucking nigger
>>64668172good goy
>>64668187F-35 is excusable (barely) due to its lineage as an X plane. I can't think of a worse example than the LGM-35 Sentinel. Quite literally no reason to have reused that designation.
>>64668184USNI says these are replacing DDG(X)
>>64668076thats how it worksTrump calls you a drug trafficker, you send him money, he gives you a pardon
>>64668176>Pretty much nothing else with VLS has them because ESSMUmmm no? That aside, SeaRAM can also be used against surface targets. In the event the main radar suite is down or destroyed it can still fully operate.
>>64668147>>64668091good luck getting this in a 2.5 year time frame then lol
>>64668105>we need more competent people>so we are going to judge applicants by something other than competenceYou are retarded
>>64668172Well I am a thirdie myself and from Rubio's ethnic group but realistically speaking this is better than nothing, I think the main issue with europeans is they became too cynical about everything, gone are the days when they were at the vanguard of military technology or getting their hands dirty, which in turn has frozen them from taking any real action. Ironically the nips have been working into making their own railguns and expanding their naval fleet after Trump kicked them in the butt so I suspect that's going to be USN reference.It's EU's time to get the boot too and I am personally extremely happy Trump has been so hard on them so they don't relapse into peaceniks even if it means a lot of vitriol, as many have pointed out, it's shameful 450 million people are asking 350 million people to defend them from 140 million people locked in combat with 30 million people.
>>64667905>>64668122>MJIt clearly says "Mj", not "MJ".Presumably the j stands for the imaginary unit, which is a common notation in electrical engineering. Either that, or no engineer has ever been consulted in the creation of that design.
>>64667119O.K., Indy-guy has my vote. Without VLS, you might as well just build some more Indys and restart work on an Indy-only ASW module. I dunno *what* we're gonna do once enemy subs start getting mast-mounted anto-helo drone dispensers, though...
>>64667291US Navy claims it will be gas turbine and diesel powered. But let's wait and see whether the ships will actually be built or whether the plans will be quietly shelved after Trump's presidency.
>>64668226It's meant to be Janskys because of the ridiculous radio signature emitted by these things :^)
>>64667251Unfortunately, they're all approaching the end of their service lives. They would have to be refitted and refueled at most of the cost of a Columbia, and even that would probably give them significantly fewer years than a new boat.
>>64667074They’re called flyover rubes, anon.
RIP Pax Americana, never thought a battleship would be the cause of death>>64667717>>64667736It's like what poor people think being rich is like, just plaster everything in gold, door handles, rails, toilet covers, look I'm so rich.Now they just need to put on a monocle, top hat, cane, and suit to complete the rich look.
>>64667767are you shitting me?
>>64668026Putin at least came up with some nonsense about Nazis in Ukraine and showed a map from 200 years ago or so. From today onwards, Putin can simply justify his invasion by saying that he needs Ukraine for national security. Just as any other war could be justified in this way.And this historical accident was actually elected president.
>>64667782aha! the real Golden Dome
>>64668294Fourth paragraph https://news.usni.org/2025/12/22/trump-unveils-new-battleship-class-proposed-uss-defiant-will-be-largest-u-s-surface-combatant-since-wwii
>>64668156If that works out then great, but I still would want to have more cells overall too. Especially if a ship is going to be a one off design like this would almost certainly be if it's ever actually built at all.
>>64668294There's a rich history of leaders taking a direct role in designing military vehicles.
New namesUSS LibertyUSS Tel AvivUSS Epstein
>>64667074I work with a number of them, but even they are pissed off by the idea of a "Trump class".
>>64668026He makes a decent argument. We need it because it's north and east enough to defend against missiles. The only targets we would make there would be military. They're not doing anything with the landmass anyway.
>>64668397The US can already put anything they want on greenland. It already has a base there. There's no need to do this shit.
>>64667006I've seen African ''democracies'' less dysfunctionnal than this one.
>>64668414I dated a girl earlier this year who came to the US from the Philippines in 2024. She said she was gonna go back because she considered the US too unstable. Also said that after growing up under the first Marcos and Duterte she didn't understand how Americans would vote for someone with a personality like Trump's.
>>64667006Initial thoughts, apropos of very little:1) We were *just* arguing last week over whether DDG(X) was worth building instead of using an embiggened ZumZum hull, with the argument primarily revolving around the smaller AMDR that had to be settled for. I have to wonder if the USN didn't go back and decide "we really need a radar *this* big", and drew a ship plan around it. On the other hand, the radar is labeled as "37 RMA", which is no bigger than DDG(X)'s...2) I highly doubt that this originated with Trump. It most likely originated with the USN (see above point). That doesn't mean that they didn't brown-nose left and right in order to get his support.3) If this *is* essentially another attempt at CG(X)'s CONOPS (plus CPS tubes, which... hmmm, could you fit a mid-course interceptor in that?), then it's likely that this design is intended to operate at extreme ranges from the enemy and mostly focus on ABM and medium/high-altitude aircraft (including PLAAF stealth?).4) As far as the guns go, I see they've scaled back to a 32MJ railgun. Didn't we have a thread where it was strongly suggested that the USN had successfully proven 32MJ tech, but wanted 64MJ, and cancelled the program because they couldn't make 64MJ work? And for those pointing out the unimpressive range of a 32MJ gun, if we're looking at CG(X)'s CONOPS, then the primary mission of the railgun and the 5"/62s is self-defense against air and surface threats at close ranges (probably WVR). We know that Mk 45s got a fair workout against Houthi drones just based on reported ammo consumption. And, that HVP design has been kicking around for over a decade now. I have to assume the Mk38s are also mostly for drone (air or surface) defense.5) I don't know how advanced the 300KW laser program is, but that's enough to disable at least a small salvo of subsonic ASCMs. We're still arguing over whether it'd kill HGVs prior to impact.Bottom line: Forget Trump. I don't have much faith in the USN.
>>64667927>SAAR KETSBREATH SAAR!!!okay jeet!
I'm waiting for the day when Trump takes away our guns and magtards argue how this owns libs in between the bootlicking
>builds big ass battleship>to invade the rest of the United Statesunfathomably based goy
>>64668427>she didn't understand how Americans would vote for someone with a personality like Trump'sThis upsets me more than anything. I don't understand how or why anyone did it. It makes me sad.
>>64667094>P-47>President 47You made it worse!
>>64668427>>64668538both marcos and duterte make trump look like a pansy liberal
>>64667498Unfortunately (fortunately?), Americans don't like that sort of stuff.
>this is replacing DDG(X)>no Frigate eitherWhat the fuck are we doing?
>>64668575Paying for the Trump and Cronies circus with your taxesNow we get to watch as this shipbuilding clownshow sets fire to a few billion dollars and then gets cancelled with a whimper and zero ships built, while the USN will get a few pimped-up coast guard cutters instead of frigates, and probably a dozen more Burkes instead of modern surface ships.One really has to wonder if that is all Russia's work, or if China is actually pulling their strings now because Putin sold the kompromat to Xi..
>>64668570>Golden Dome>Golden Fleet>golden plane gifted by some thirdie oil sheikh>golden hall added to White houseHe'd fit right in with the inbred Habsburgs in the final decades of their rotting empire, sitting in gilded palaces while the country stagnates.
>>64667879That brown blob to the right is supposed to be the Staten Island Ferry, but I can't fathom why the Defiant is pursuing it.
>>64668215Race is about as close to a competence test as is possible without getting the applications to submit to standardized test. 90%+ of those who aren't white men couldn't compete with white male applicants if they weren't effectively subsidized or outright mandated by the government for four decades. Various combat formations in the US army had to create their own parallel logistics formations because they can't really on the army in general to get shit done in timely manner unless they are in an active war zone. Throwing out the wammins and darkies combined with increasing wages and standards brings in competent(almost always white) men every single time. While hiring jeets only brings in more incompetent jeets as those previously hired infiltrate corporate structures.Racism in favor of whites is both efficient and in my racial interests. Meanwhile Indian racism only provides for racial interests at the cost of efficiency.
>>64667322Why do you want to make white people gay rabbit schlomo
