Are modern U.S. shipyards still capable of producing ships on such a scale?
>>64671802The Bethlehem Steel Corporation was an American steelmaking company headquartered in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania. Until its closure in 2003, it was one of the world's largest steel-producing and shipbuilding companies. At the height of its success and productivity, the company was a symbol of American manufacturing leadership in the world, and its decline and ultimate bankruptcy and liquidation in the late 20th century is similarly cited as an example of America's diminished manufacturing leadership during the late 20th century.[1] From its founding in 1857 through its 2003 dissolution, Bethlehem Steel's headquarters were based in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, in the Lehigh Valley region of eastern Pennsylvania
chinkshill vibes
>>64671802they don't need to, they do need some improving, but they'll never need to build massive numbers of ships like that again because fleet sizes have become smaller in favour of more expensive but far more powerful ships.chinks will boast about their shipbuilding but the reality is that the moment the war goes hot and china loses the first exchange, those just get bombed, the US is not going to let them just lick their wounds and build another fleet for 5 years.
>>64671816>that chartout of date lolmanufacturing in china is now on a downward spiral, since they've run out of grifter cities to build with steel in their own country.
>>64671820t. IJN
>>64671832
>>64671837>angry chinkshill making historical connections that don't make sense again.japan was in the same situation china is in now, fucked up by jumping the gun on their empire too soon, isolating them, and now forced into an increasingly small corner by a a downward economic slope.japan at least managed to get some space between them and the US before things went loose, china is just stuck behind a fence from day one, with no way of breaking out.PGM's also didn't exist back then, now, they do, so china's shipyards will be targets that get hit on day one.
>>64671843>chart shows exactly what i said it showedyep, thanks for pointing that out, you didn't have to repeat after me though.
>>64671816
>>64671866>2026>LiveLeak
>>64671880thankfully there are plenty of other sources of hilarious chink gore that have replaced liveleak.nothing will ever replace that little logo in my heart though.
>>64671853>japan was in the same situation china is in nowBack in the 40's the USA was by far the worlds greatest industrial powerhouseNow on the other hand...
>>64671853>japan was in the same situation china is in now1939 Japan steel production 7 M tons.US 50 M tons2024 US steel production 80 M tonsChina 1000 M tons.
>>64671843Holy shit I didn’t realize China made so much steel
>>64671896now on the other hand, china would still lose because being an industrial powerhouse doesn't power up the fleet you already have, when it gets destroyed by the superior american fleet, you're just without a fleet, and all the ships you're building in port will be destroyed by PGM's, because they can't fight back.
>>64671913it's cute that you keep masturbating about that like it's a magic verse but that doesn't really stop the chinese fleet from getting blown up.
>>64671802Similar numbers of modern warships? No. Similar numbers of ships that are equally capable to those built during WW2? Maybe.
>>64671913Yea, but what your figure really proves is that you only need 50m tons of steel production to win a world war. Who cares if you have 1.3x that or 50x that it doesn't matter any more
>>64671880You can never go back, anonLet it go
>>64671954also most countries today have massive reserves of strategic resources like metals and a lot of metal manufacturing today is done with recycled materials, metal is ridiculously easy to recycle.
>>64671843>blows up the Chinks shipyardsOkay, now what?
>>64671802 only one??
>>64672012battleships were already of very niche usecase by that point, which is why it baffles me that people want to see them return.
>>64671887Where
>>64671934NTA but why the constant seething? Are you Taiwanese or something?
>>64672010I don't know anything about the fantasies in your head, impossible to tell
>>64672012the South Dakotas were all built at different shipyards. The Iowas were split amongst multiple shipyards as well, but with 2 completed at 2 different yards. Pic related is the battleship built by Bethlehem Steel.
>>64672024You may need to look up what "niche" means before actually attempting to use such an advanced word. It doesn't mean "rare".
I believe the US is CAPABLE of bringing back manufacturing like this, but it will only be gov/subsidized industries. If you pay people well enough they'll deal with all the bullshit of a terribly job. Like oilfield stuff. Since we can't appeal to patriotism anymore.Like if you paid $100/hr steady work with regular hours you could have as many welders and metal fabricators as you want. Say no drug tests but if you fuck up one iota, you lose the cushy job, and they'll fall in line.
>>64672429Huge non-argument. Whole states used to be nothing but steel mills, coal mines, and auto manufacturing and they were closed down not because of a lack of labor but because execs wanted to ship all the jobs to China.>"But the kids with their ipads and their almond toast won't work in a steel mill!"Day of the pillow is coming soon, boomer.
>>64671933Replace "PGM's" with "fighter bombers" and you get what the Japs were thinking in the 40's LMAO
>why the constant seethingwhere?all i did was point out how irrelevant it is to keep jerking that metric and you get irrationally angry?>>64672398yes, but niche things TEND to be rare as you don't need a lot of them, because they are a nichedid you seriously need that explained to you.
>>64672523sorry chang but I and every other red blooded American patriot on this board am such a jingoist that you could show me irrefutable mathematical evidence that the United States would lose ww3 and I'll still look you straight in your slanted, squinty eyes and say "nah I'd win" so you can take your chink cope back to Weibo or whatever you godless insect people talk to each other on and shove it up each other's asses
it's hilarious in a subtle way how you can feel the frustration reverberating through your screen when you don't play the chinkshill's game the way he wants it to be played.>n-noooo you weren't implessed by china's steel production, nooooo, not fair, the handbook didn't tell me you would respond that way!they're so cute when they're not in a fullblown meltdown yet, trying trying and trying so hard to subtly shill for china without any self-awareness.
>>64672561US won the war with Japan for a reason. What was that reason? Was it a manufacturing base? It's no longer there. Was it population numbers? It's in Chinas favor now. Was it white man's superiority? The US is no longer a white nation. You can't expect to keep winning when you loose all your winning cards. Britain and France thought they could, but they no longer rule the world.
>>64672613>what was that reasonat the time? the fact that it's ships were better and it's commanders were better, they had more availability to oil as japan had been cut off (much like china would be in the event of war.) and japan would have logistically had a much more difficult time striking the american mainland due to geographicy (which have not changed until today and are in fact even worse for china)>was it's manufacturing baseangry chinkshill, i get that you keep trying to create this correlation, but in your dumbass comparison scenario, the US would be stuck behind an island chain with the japanese having a bunch of long range precision missiles that can destroy every single new boat you try to build in your dry docks.i realize you have this whole fantasy playing out in your head of le based chinese plonking another ship down when one gets destroyed piece meal as american commanders gawk in horror like some looney toons skit. but reality is a little more complicated than that, sorry it makes you uncomfortable.china is stuck, fenced off, under intense surveillance the likes of which was impossible during ww2, and it still has a massively inferior fleet + inferior technology.so basically this is end of this thread right, that fantasy was the retarded conclusion you wanted but nobody was playing along so you just had to up and say it out loud?
>>64672613
>>64672645>still has a massively inferior fleetWhat's the point of coping like this when we know that the Chinese are gaining at an incredible pace?Is the US going to try and do a Pearl Harbor to defeat the Chinese before they can build their fleet? I doubt it.
>>64672398pedantic
>>64671802If need be yes, but it would be a 6-18 month lead time to get steel production back up in the US and Canada to levels needed, and training for welders.
>>64672010I think you underestimate the population of China. They are 4x the size of America, and currently have a workforce over twice the number of PEOPLE in America.
>>64672689Don't look up how fast China's population is declining.
>>64671820I mean, you've got a rather major gap in capability between the guided missile destroyers that each are comparable in firepower to a BB (at least in surface to surface engagements) and the corvettes and LCS that aren't really stronger than their WWII equivalents and can be destroyed with the same weapons.
>>64672024Because we just encountered a situation where we didn't have anything filling its niche and ended up being unable to complete a mission for it.Granted, I think a full-on capital ship is overkill, but it's politically easier to appeal to the BBtards than to ask for Congress to make the funds for an efficient coastal assault ship.
>>64671816>>64671843>Japan produced more steel than the US since the 70'sWhat?
>>64671925"Steel". A lot of it is mystery chinesium with a random amount of unknown inclusions. A lot of it is so brittle as to be useless, rebar snapped with your bare hands kind of stuff.
>>64672613>China more people make numbah wan!Historically speaking, the only thing that number advantage has ever done for the chinese, is provide more of them for their leaders to kill in idiotic ways.
>>64672257Anon, do you think that dry docks are somehow impossible to destroy? I want to hear your argument as to why you believe this. Or, better yet, presume that dry docks get knocked out (this is pretty easy since they can't sustain damage) and explain to me how they rebuild them in a timeframe that matters. When Pearl Harbor happened the dry docks were lightly damaged and they were all still rendered inoperable for over a month except one that escaped significant damage (Dock #2). These were reinforced concrete pens specifically designed to stave off an enemy attack. Now, fast forward, it's 2030, your dockyards are just the same shit you build your commercial ships in... What happens? Even these ridiculous fortresses weren't able to stand up to heavy WW2 munitions. You think open top, non-reinforced docks can just sit out and not get absolutely obliterated? Don't be a retard, please. Not around me, anyway. Hit the dry docks with a few tomahawks, render them inoperable, and then use incendiaries on the surrounding area to cause sympathetic detonations that burn the entire yard to the ground.
>>64672689That means fuck and shit. To build a shipyard requires your workforce doesn't get skull fucked while it's trying to pretend to be the Netherlands. You can't just throw people at a dockyard and have it sprout of the ground. It takes time, a lot of time to build a yard that is explicitly designed to try and ward off the most deleterious effects of being bombed or hit by missiles. Even then, you have an enemy who can simply make the shipyard disappear. Tge SADM in a backpack was specifically designed to be used by operators on missions they were unlikely (or explicitly had no return option) for the intended use of deleting shipyards.
This is your regularly scheduled reminder that nuclear weapons exist and therefore a world war 2 style conflict where steel production matters is a complete fantasy.
>>64672921It's fantasy because throughput anyway. Imagine that every we somehow increased the production of all materials required to build a car stateside by several orders of magnitude over night but we maintained the exact same number of factories with the exact same size and the exact same output. All of the resources in the world don't matter if you can't actually capitalize on them. That's the truth of the matter here.
>>64671802Yes, but not right away. The US has a lot of unused capacity that is essentially idle for cost cutting reasons.People really underestimate how quickly we can build that infrastructure back up in an emergency. The response to the Coronavirus demonstrated that.
