Why there's so much hate on the F-35? Is it jealousy from turdworlders?
>>64675358>Is it jealousy from turdworlders?yes
>>64675358cheeky
>>64675358it's unironically euro cope about not being able to build a stealth fighter. You know your shit is ass when even turkey has a flying prototype yet you don't
>>64675420Weren’t Euros helping with the F-35?
>>64675420
>>64675358implessive
>>64675358People haven't updated their views since the teething issues and don't know they're both good and cheap now.
>>64675358>>64675397>BLUFOR weapon is a huge threat for REDFOR >REDFOR spends years and years pushing le John Hamburger from Oxio oblast propaganda to convince BLUFOR voters on how it's a piece of shit >BLUFOR politicians notices growing public skepticism over said superweapon and decides to add cutting funding to "le piece of shit jobs program" and redirecting it to useless shit like welfare for niggers to the list of campaign promises >gets elected, now there's another vote in legislature to get said superweapon shitcanned >repeat until there's enough politicians on said platform within legislature to vote said REDFOR-beating superweapon out of funding >BLUFOR just got weaker, while REDFOR got stronger The US could probably destroy hundreds of Russian/Chinese aircraft before they even lift off the tarmac. Meanwhile Russia and China can destroy hundreds of F-35's before they're even built, just by psyop-engineering budget cuts.
>>64675480I hate them so much
>>64675480>John from oхнo oblastKek
>>64675480What makes me most angry these days is that psy-op's have somehow convinced a good chunk of American conservatives to personally hate the EU.t. American excited for Bulgaria to join the Eurozone
>>64675492They're just playing it smart. You should hate the goycattle who keep falling for it. I'm willing to bet shit like RFK Jr.'s whole belief system is a REDFOR psyop. >"Mein Monke/Mein Pooh, what if instead of trying to spread e. coli, tubercolosis, typhoid, salmonella, measles and polio through high-risk, low-reward release operations, we just convince them to not vaccinate their children and drink raw milk?"
>>64675480Oh bo fucking ho, that's just a little bit less of tax payer money going to the private sector in exchange for payouts to politicians. Northrop isn't gonna starve any day soon, anon
>>64675588>Oh bo fucking ho
>>64675358It was a combination of foreigners and people annoyed with the development.
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>>64675588There is no "multi trillion dollar Military-industrial complex". You guys always have a wildly inflated view of how much money the defense industry makes. The top 49 MIC companies from every country have a combined market cap of barely over $1.5T.Apple could buy Lockheed Martin.
>single engine >stealth coating literally peels off like skin on a rotten tomato if it tries to fly Mach 1.0SAAAARRRRRR JEET35 VERY GUD PLANE PLA REDEEM
>Treating a Quora answer as credible
>>64675752>quorathanks for outing yourself as a thirdie lmao
>>64675754>>64675755SAAAAAAARRRRR NO PROBELM SAAARRR NO QUORA SAEEERRR PLS BUY U NO REDEEM SUPERSONIC MACH 1 NO NEED GO FASTER NO NEED SAERR F35 VERY GOOD SARRhttps://www.defensenews.com/air/2020/04/24/the-pentagon-will-have-to-live-with-limits-on-f-35s-supersonic-flights/https://nationalinterest.org/blog/reboot/flying-supersonic-speeds-causing-f-35-big-problems-193966https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/the-f-35-and-corrosion-the-ongoing-fight/https://www.defensenews.com/smr/hidden-troubles-f35/2020/05/22/the-inside-story-of-two-supersonic-flights-that-changed-how-america-operates-the-f-35/
Have they updated all the j-20 to the ws-15 engines yet? lol
>>64675785yeah we know you're a shill with 15 articles at the ready jeet
>>64675358Nah it's just become increasingly irreleent like all US weapons systems because with people like Trump and Vance being elected in the US buyers don't know if the supplies for US weapon systems or support contracts will be honoured.TLDR: The world lost all trust in the US and half it's population as being good to their word or worth being allies with.
>>64675752>single engine>this is meant to be a dunk by the thirdiea single US engine is THAT powerful and that reliable, seems that it upsets you.>peels off>it was real in my dreamsit doesn't, sorry.
>>64675824No, no, I respect US aircraft and engines, just not the jeet35. The F14, F15, F18 and B2 are all works of art.But the jeet35 peels skin off at Mach 1 and it corrodes on carriers. The navy got scammed hard unfortunately.
>>64675837are thirdies like you allergic to maintenance? is that why your country is so shitty?
>>64675851As far as the world knows you are 'isolationists' now? Asdie from meddling in European politics and wanting oil in Latin America etcNo one will want US weapons because the US is no longer seen as a reliable or credible ally that might take the kremlins side, especially anthing with a potential kill switch in it.It REALLY is that simple.
>>64675523The fact that the EU is talking about letting Canada join the EU but won't let the US join the EU is a shame desu
>>64675903That's because the EU itself is a form of Russian psyop. Russia basically convinced Europe that they needed to be a united front against the US instead of joining with the US in a single organization.
>>64675837>lalalalalala if i repeat myself it will become true by magic lalalalalathis is why thirdies keep losing wars lmao.
>>64675863thirdie D&C post
>>64675358Half the fleet is grounded due to chronic maintenance issues and you have the fucking gal to come here and post a retarded thread like this. Do better.
>>64675903Why would the US even need to join the EU in the first place?
>>64675358kys chinkshill
>>64675920To have access to a single market with a combined population far larger than the USA's and lots of consumers, the free movement of people within this shared market, extra political stability, a stronger voice on the world stage, etc. Same reason any country joins the EU.
>>64675821This would make sense if the F-35 wasn't still selling like hotcakes to every country that has been allowed to purchase it lmao. The only people that say shit like this are EUtards peddling 4.5++++th generation aircraft like the Gripen (lol) and Rafale (lmao) or thirdies coping with not being able to purchase one in the first place.
the F35 is the best plane due to the incredible amounts of seethe it generates over just how good it issorry yellow journalists, sorry shitskins and turd worlders, it's just the truth.
>>64675906The EU happened because two world wars turbofucked Europe and an economic cooperation treaty was signed to prevent Germany and France from stepping on each other's toes again. The European Coal and Steel Community was formed in 1952 because those were critical industries for warfare, then in 1958 the European Economic Community added more countries and more industry sectors. Russia didn't have much to do with this other than the rigged elections in Poland in 1947 which did force European countries to sign mutual defense pacts in case of Soviet aggression, but this also triggered Truman Doctrine anyway so Western Europe was pushed further into the US's side.
>>64675977There's nothing that prevents the US from joining the EU though other than Russian propaganda trying to push the EU to be anti-US.
>>64675982There's a little word preventing it, it's the "European" Union. Canada can't join either. I don't know what all that ruckus is all about but Article 49 of the Treaty on European Union restricts membership to "European states".
>>64675982The current US admin might have a word or two to say about that
>>64676002>it's the "European" UnionThen why are there talks about letting Canada join? Also, why limit it to just Europe? That's some far-right nationalist nonsense spewed by Russia.>>64676004Sure but the next administration will be hardline pro-NATO and EU.
>>64675982wasn't muskrat seething about wanting to dissolve the EU just a few weeks ago?
>>64676008>Then why are there talks about letting Canada join?There are no talks, it's just bluster because America is ran by a Zigger so Canada is the gf threatening to leave for ever.
>>64676009NTA but Musk fell out of the Tsar's favor months ago so he's just whining in the corner by himself.
>>64676002“Europe” can be as big as Europe wants it to be, there is no continent of “Europe”, there’s no natural boundaries for Europe, Europe is defined by what Europe decides counts as Europe. This idea that “Europe” doesn’t include the US is just zigger propaganda
>>64675912I did not realise the US was the third world yet. If you think Europe is going to keep buying UK weapons long term you are deluding yourself. Thank comrade Vance.
It's impressive how many shill posts and angles they're pushing in this thread
>>64676065>“Europe” can be as big as Europe wants it to be, there is no continent of “Europe”, there’s no natural boundaries for Europe, Europe is defined by what Europe decides counts as Europe. This idea that “Europe” doesn’t include the US is just zigger propagandaLook, I know that US public education is not the best but continental Euirope absolutely IS a defined georgraphical area and always has been. The US is not European, the US population are to me foreigners post maga (I'm European) and all the nutjob wishing on your part to be something more than a former British colony does not change geography. Neither do you have ANY real European culture or values.
>>64676078It's amazing to me the metal gymastics maga spastics have to do to try and avoid realising they have destroyed long term US weapons exports especially stuff like the F35 that might have a kill switch. You're threatening to annex Greenland for fuck sake. Damage is done.
>>64676078thirdies don't celebrate christmas so this is just another day at the shillfarm for them
>>64676083Yeah but nobody can agree on what the geographical region IS because it’s all made up. It’s more of a cultural idea than anything else and the USA is as European as any country when it comes to European culture.
>>64676086It’s called a reciprocal relationship retard. Europe can’t threaten the US without expecting the US to retaliate, next time keep it in your pants.
>>64676074….why the fuck would the US care if Europe buys UK weapons?
>>64675433Yes, a huge number of the systems in the F35 aren't even American designed. There's a reason it's called the joint strike fighter. >>64675358>Why there's so much hate on the F-35? Is it jealousy from turdworlders?Personally I see a lot more seethe from reformer esque retards that despise the future for how it turned out. Guns are mostly a meme, missiles and other smart munitions reign completely supreme, air power has no cost effective counter, sensors are really good and fog of war is dead, etc.
>Its another thread of “Europe trying to sound tough while doing what the USA has been telling them to do for decades”
>>64676086>MAGA, DRUMPF!, KEGSBREATH!!!Hello saar!
>>64676163you will never be white
>>64675358Wunderwuffe in large enough numbers that it's actually a threat. Only thing worse would be nuclear equipped b21 raiders chilling in enemy airspace just waiting for the greenlight and no one even knows they're there.
>>64676163Americans refusing to except Europeans point blank saying, ok we are finished with you, just as you seem to wish and posting about jeets really says everythig necessary aboout maga US mental health
>>64676214>Europeans pretending they’re finished with America after doing exactly what we tell them to do and buying even more of our shitLmao
>>64675930The US already has most of those "benefits" and the US would be beholden to EU politicians, fuck that and fuck those fags
>>64676254Not the free travel bit. The US already is able to absorb a lot of talent, if Europeans could travel to the US without any barriers we'd be able to absorb basically their entire middle class.
>>64675588Hi John
>>64676254Also, the US would be able to influence the EU parliament to become more militaristic. It's absolutely fucked that Europe is so pacifistic the US has to basically threaten them to finally get them to pull their own weight in military spending and helping Ukraine.
>>64676268>>64676277free travel isn't a straight benefit and the EU being little pacifists would not be solved by the US, its a EU problem only solvable by the EU people
>>64675358>Why is there so much hate on (Literally anything American ever)They hate us 'cause they ain't us. Everyone on the planet is perpetually pissed off that Americans are the unabashed World Protagonists and nobody else matters.
>>64676268We don't want their middle class, Anon. Corporate wants the desperate poor people to drive down wages and the rest of America wants the best and brightest to make the services and goods we consume better and continue America's tech advantage. Literally nobody here wants more consumers, we already have to share with the Mexicans and they've made everything worse.Yes, Europeans are a few classes higher than the Mexicans but it doesn't change the fact that more consumers means less supply and more demand, which means higher prices.
>>64675729The idea of the MIC having any real control over American policy was destroyed when Trump returned to power and promptly started fucking up a number of long-term investments.
>>64676328US military exports account for less than .05% of the economy. Getting Europe to finally start paying their share in military spending and Ukraine contributions is priceless.
>>64675729>everyone but Boeing at 90%+ growth over 5 yearslol
>>64675785
>>64676146>Guns are mostly a memeI forgot which one but a newer Chinese jet doesn't even have a cannon if I recall correctly.
>>64676146Reformers would feel vindicated by drones ruling aerial warfare because they are small, cheap, disposable and mass produced in vast quantities.
>>64676468 Nah bro the drones have too much technology to appease reformers.
>>64675358Assuming this isn't bait...You have to understand that US military procurement is broken, and has been since the Peace Dividend. Most of the people who made the important decisions on what to procure, how much to beg congress for, and how to manage procurement programs were RIF'd or retired. Programs that have been on-time and on-budget since then have been rare.JSF, being the (sorta, given that it used unique budgeting that tried to account for all expected costs over the next 50+ years when almost nothing else does that) most expensive military procurement program of all time, was naturally under a bit of a microscope. And this was more or less the "last hurrah" of the "Reformers", who were active from the late '60s through ~2020ish, and who never met an advanced system they didn't want replaced by a "cheaper, yet somehow more effective" alternative (somehow, it never was).So, there was a lot of suspicion around the program. And boy, did the first guys in charge of it mess it up! It wound up several years late and several billion over-budget. JSF earned its hatred.And then, the old management team retired or got promoted (I don't believe any were ever punished or reprimanded), new guys came in, and slowly began to fix the program. The weight issues got fixed. The price came down--way down, to the point where flyaway cost is cheaper than a new F-16 with the latest gizmos. The horrific logistics system has been at least partially replaced, although there still seem to be some issues at last report. The only major issue left with the F-35 at this point is the Block 4 upgrades. New fighters with the hardware entered production this year, but refits to the thousand already in service are now expected to take until '31, and cost $16B instead of $10B.tl;dr JSF was a terrible procurement program, and then it got better. For lots of different reasons, people still love to hate on it.
>>64675358>Buy a fighter so advanced that the next most advanced combat aircraft in the world might as well be a WWI triplane>Cry and piss and shit and whinge about how it's a little more expensive to maintain than you thought it would be, and how the software update is a few months lateI just don't get it.
>>64676858>want to procure new military equipment under budget and in a timely manner>it is over budget and subject to multiple delays>still has plenty of teething issues by the time it rolls off the production linegee I wonder why people (especially those who pay taxes) would get upset
>>64676086how mentally ill are you people really?
>>64676863Just buy fewer of them, it's not like a warship or something. Locksneed is booked for the better part of a decade, they'll just sell them to someone else. And it's a bit silly to complain that the world's only fifth gen fighter for export is over budget when it's not even more expensive than previous gen fighters still in production.
Europe and Canada are at the bitter ex wife stage where they don't want anything to do with their husband while still living in his house and borrowing his car to get to her dead-end part time job
>>64676468But they don't rule aerial warfare. They've shown themselves to be effective alternatives to light anti-tank weapons, light fire support like mortars, and their biggest impact has been making infantry based recon obsolete. They've done literally nothing to displace high performance jet aircraft.
>>64676883They also do all the things we wanted attack helicopters to do under AirLand except they're actually well suited for the task
>>64675480>Meanwhile Russia and China can destroy hundreds of F-35's before they're even built, just by psyop-engineering budget cuts.that's not how economic mismanagement and deindustrialisation works, anon
C'mon Malaysia anon, you could at least make it subtle.
>>64676479>suicide drones: :|>suicide drones (manned): :O
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>>64676163You are brown
>>64676223>Shart not realising we buy your stuff for the same reason we bought soviet shit, to keep you from chimping out while our industry spools up
>>64676459Fun fact, the USN never operated Phantoms with integrated cannons. They remained happy with the external gunpod, since it let them save launch weight when doing any mission not requiring it.
