>they have Panthers and Tigers? ok Shermans will do
mass produced cheap tank > low production expensive tankespecially when the expensive tank has a transmission made of glass
>>64677217what if you're a Sherman crew member?
>>64677222tank is tank
>>64677222please consult the onion
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>>64677222you probably won't see a panther or tiger everif you do you'll probably have buddies and air supportthere is a chance you'll just get whacked by something you never saw coming but that's every job in wartradeoff: your GIs actually have armor supporting them while the enemy are mostly on their own
>>64677202Tank v tank combat was rare even in ww2. Most of the time you would be called to blow up a pillbox. Even if you did see another tank, it would be at like under 200-50 meters. And at those distances the M3 gun was enough to blow up a Tiger from the front. Panther not so much. Allies figured that if they smacked the front of the Panther with enough HE the armor would break.
>>64677202If the Sherman was a bad WWII tank, what does that make the T-55s that got massacred by it?
>>64677248Slavshit operated by borderline retards.
>>64677202tigers and panthers were rare at best, made worse by the fact the US also had more specialized tank killers, and then a few months later they introduced upgraded sherms that shat on Panthers and Tigers making the whole muh Sherman bad meme even more worthless
>>64677202Consider Sherman could be delivered to and operate effectively anywhere on the planet.Consider also that if Tiger mate shot a Sherman then the Shermans crew would be back shortly with a whole bunch of their friends.
>>64677202More like "the sherman is the heaviest tank we can transport in numbers across the ocean. They built 1000 Tiger 1s? We built 45k Shermans">>64677217The sherman wasnt cheap, it was the most advanced and well armored medium tank out of all the nations. The biggest disadvantage was that it initially came with a gun best suited for anti infantry so it was pretty outgunned at the start, rare as actually fixhting german tanks was
ITT: shermoid cope
>>64677248You think stock shermans massacred T-55's in the middle east? The moment they got the chance to start buying french shit, they started upgrading the shermans they had with french guns to future proof them for future conflicts which was the correct move.The french high velocity 75mm has a similar performance to the panthers 75mm gun while the bigger 105mm variant fired a HEAT round that could penetrate every single armored vehicle in the arabs inventory all the way up to the 80's when the T-72M started getting exported.
>>64677246You're talking as if german crews were so dumb that they'd just sit there and tank shot after shot of HE till their armour cracks.
>>64677222you should probably be more worried about this
>>64677202"Quantity has quality of its own."German tanks may have been superior in some respects, but that doesn't matter much when they're ten times as expensive.
>>64677222For every KOed Sherman there's about 0.2 crew death.For every KOed T-34 there's about 1-2 crew deaths.For every KOed Pz4 there's about 1-2 crew deaths.For every KOed Panther there's about almost 2 crew deaths.Furthermore, whichever side "shoots first" usually wins the engagement. This is regardless of the shooter being a Tiger or a Sherman or an AT gun or some infantry with AT rockets.WW2 tanks are death traps (but not at late Soviet MBT levels) but the Sherman was the least death trap of them all especially late war.
>>64677202I heard that the U.S. Ordnance Department was aware of the Sherman being a 'Tommy Cooker', and attempted to implement various measures to address this issue. The design team was led by Sheldon Rosenstein, a convicted child-beater, arsonist, and avid necrophiliac. Sheldon was reportedly pen-pals with Shiro Ishii, and Oskar Dirlewanger. When questioned about these letters outgoing to hostile countries, Sheldon replied that he was merely exchanging 'tips and tricks'. Sheldon's team designed a mechanism that would lock the crew hatches shut, thus trapping the crew, when smoke was detected inside the sherman after being penetrated and set alight. Not only that, but apparently there was also a following feature that was a re-take on the Brazen Bull. When the crew was burning to death, their screams would be amplified by speakers that projected outside the tank. The U.S. Ordnance Department justified these features by proclaiming that the Germans would be frightened by the hellish screams of the sherman crews being incinerated, and allied soldiers would be more motivated to fight hard, lest the same fate befall them. Sheldon also later devised a system that had a 1 in 59 chance of setting off an explosive charge in the ammunition storage every time the Sherman's engine was turned on. Supposedly, this was to 'test the crew's luck before battle'. This innovation was well-received by the U.S. Army, but was rejected for budgetary reasons. Upon receiving news of the Army's rejection, Sheldon bludgeoned his manservant to death with a fire iron in a fit of unstoppable rage. Years after the war, Sheldon tragically died in a fire, which he had started in a New York orphanage.
>>64677202They did, though.
>>6467720276mm killed Tigers from the front perfectly fine, and making a tank that could eat an 88mm shell was really just a waste of time when the decider of most tank engagements was landing the first hit.
>>64677202And they did, German autism cost them the war.
>>64677394>said the person not being incinerated in it
ITT wehraboo seethe and cope. Should have not used horses kraut
>>64677474The sheeman had the lowest crew death rate of any tank in the war
>>64677544Actually, it was edged out by the Churchill, which had dummy thicc armour and those nifty side doors for quick escapes. But yeah, when it came down to sheer usefulness combined with survivability, it's hard to beat the Sherman.
>They have 20 tanks that work to our 1 that doesn't? Surely we will win!
The americans have to cope with the fact until vietnam they had a military structure like soviets.Just more british like instead of chinksectoids grindee
>>64677632this means nothing and you should feel bad for posting
The King Tiger had a k/d ratio of 11 to 1.The crew was better, the engineering superior.Germany didnt play on quantity but quality
>>64677377>they'd just sit there and tank shot after shot of HE till their armour cracksThey didThat's what German high command criticized about the Tiger - it was so good, the crews god so cocky they just flaunted their junk right in the middle of the enemy fire line and then just sat there until the armor finally gave way.Good armor is supposed to be there for contingencies, like when a surrounded KV crew had no other option but to get themselves posthumous medals and the turret bounced like 10 shots before the tank was destroyed.The armor is not there to be leaned on for daily use, but German crews did just that.You might even say the Nazi Wehrmacht were brainlets
>>64677639And still didn't win. Huh.
>>64677222Unironically one of the highest chances of survival out of all combat roles throughout the war. All. For all sides. But only if you were white and not brown, I'm so sorry bro.
>>64677448You're not funny
>>64677653Who told you this lol
>>64677431citation for those numbers?
>>64677682Otto Carius' memoirs for the Tigers, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Raseiniai section "lone Soviet tank" for the KV
>>64677431So the shermans just broke on their own leaving crew intact?
>>64677222Chances are you never see a panther or tiger tank in your life.You should be more worried about AT gun and STUG's. They'll kill you just the same.
>>64677639>The Germans who were on the defensive and thus could never substantiate their kill numbers because every tank they "killed" would be behind enemy lines within a day claimed an extraordinarily large kill count that never factored in disabled vehicles or those that were repairable>It's true btw!
>>64677222>Have a perfectly good "gotcha" in Allied bomber crews, where more than 50% of them died while committing acts of mass bombing against military targets (that also killed plenty of innocents)>B-BUT MY LIAR WHO INTERVIEWED THE PEOPLE WORKING AT REPAIR CENTERS FOR BLOWN UP SHERMANS SAID THEY SAW LOTS OF BLOWN UP SHERMANS!!You people are never happy.
>>64677544>Sneedman
Sherman isn't even my favorite WW2 tank, but if I'm in a tank from that era that gets hit that's the one I'd want to be in
>>64677222spray and pray
>>64677202>another wehraboo thread
>>64677824tbf 88L71 had pretty excellent performance
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>>64677731When a tank gets KOed from being penetrated the crew will typically shit their pants, especially when ammo/fuel starts to burn. Wet storage, spring loaded hatches, larger hatches and other improvements made with successive Shermans made it so most crew deaths weren't from them burning to death trying to get the fuck out but from being behind the actual penetration.Look at how fucking awful it is to get out of the driver's position from the T-34 or turret for the Panther if you're the commander/gunner. In general most WW2 tanks were cramped and didn't have as fast of exits hatch access wise.
>>64677632???they had no NCOs until Vietnam?
>>64677632You're a special kind of retarded.
>>64677239>Arracourtgreen German crews vs veteran American crews
>another videogametard topic
>>64677222You'll have the greatest chance of survival of any tanker in the war
>>64677672newfag
>>64677983>3% of bong tanks just vanished
>>64678797>That last paragraph
>>64677222Then you’re very likely shooting at infantry positions and worrying about random AT guns in bushes, not shooting at German tanks and worrying about those
>>64677248I think those t55s were piloted by Arabs suffering from the retardation caused by multiple generations of consanguineous breeding
>>64677222You had pretty good odds against anything that wasn't a Panther or Tiger and said big cats were pretty rare. Not many were built and something like a third of all Panthers and Tigers were down for repairs at any given moment.
>>64677906>At Overloon - in appalling weather, over boggy ground and under continuous fire - Bill Hall beat a path up to the bridge across the canal, then led his squadron across, though well aware that enemy tanks were waiting on the far side and that his flanks were exposed. His was the first tank to cross the Beek and in the ensuing battle his troop gave invaluable assistance to Allied armour and infantry.He kept the squadron leader constantly informed of the situation ahead, engaged an enemy anti-tank gun and also knocked out a German mortar position which was inflicting losses on the infantry. He also engaged a Panther tank.Although constantly under enemy fire, Hall showed complete disregard for danger and earned the highest praise both from his squadron leader and the commanding officer of the 4th Coldstream Guards. Hall had had to change tanks when his own became a casualty, and the flails in his troop frequently had to be replaced after being damaged, but this did not stop them pressing on and killing 24 enemy and assisting the infantry to take 20 prisoners.Hall, who was also mentioned twice in despatches, was in the forefront of the action at Broekhuizen the following November when his tank cleared the approaches to the town before being hit by a bazooka which wounded him. His tank was later recovered by the Dutch authorities and is now on display in the War Museum at Overloon, complete with flails.
>>64677202Bruh... Have you ever heard of something called tank destroyers?
>>64677202More like>they have Panthers and Tigers?>20 Jacksons flanking and 4 P-47s will do
>>64677339>The sherman wasnt cheap, it was the most advanced and well armored medium tank out of all the nations>Volute suspension>medium-performance 75mm cannon as standard, upgraded to glorified Pak40 later in the war>Fuck-tall chassis due to design being for a radial engine with angled driveshaftThe Sherman was not especially cheap but it sure as fuck wasn't the most advanced or well armored medium.The Panther had double torsion bar suspension for a ride as smooth as frosted glass, a fucking railgun of a 75mm cannon, and it could actually take a hit to the front without getting pierced by a fucking Pak40 Analogue.
>>64680817>Torsion bar>SmoothYikes. Erm actuskky torsion bar is more favorable for the price and longevity. Being compared to an interwar leaf spring setup will make any tank seem smooth
>>64680836In WW2 the smoothest suspension you'll have access to is torsion bars.They're more advanced, expensive and more annoying to use than just bolting on some fucking sprint bogies though.
>>64677222You're in the most survivable tank of the war
>>64677202>they have Panthers and Tigers? Ok, 4 Shermans, a 76, a Jackson and air support will doYes.
>>64677202>They have Panthers and TigersDo they have fuel? Because I doubt they have fuel
