Any hunters on /k/?I've got some serious hunting related questions as of recently.>cop in a european city>hardly have to deal with LIVE wild animals because they're usually just roadkill as part of traffic accident protocolling>until 3 weeks ago when some asshat ran over and crushed a deer's hind legs, then left it crippled and suffering on the road>traffic already backing up because of it>get dispatched to kill/move the wounded animal>sure thing, chief>it was a disaster, still feel bad weeks laterWe're not trained in delivering finishing shots to wounded animals and it's usually not necessary because there are enough hunters in the surrounding counties at any time - until there aren't. Buddy wanted to use her service pistol, I argued for the AR because my logic was "bigger caliber = instant kill, no suffering".Neither of us are hunters and therefore opted for a headshot, which was a bad idea because apparently a deer's brain is really small and the brain stem even moreso.We know hunters usually just aim for the heart, but we looked at the deer and it was just smooth fur everwhere with no real indication where the heart was. It was an adult animal so the heart must've been bigger but unlike with a human torso, it was just a mass of fur. No fucking idea where to safely aim for the heart here?First shot to where the brain SUPPOSEDLY was (Google...) left if violently threshing for 10 seconds before settling down, then it started those rasping breaths and turned it's bleeding head looking at us which was fucked up and honestly pretty sad. We opted to try once more, she aimed for where the brain was and again, spazzing around and more breathing.
(cont.)After ~3 minutes it stopped moving entirely and we could move the carcass, but still. She's a good shot and with an AR and at short ranges you literally can't miss anyway. It was pretty sad because instead of quickly ending it's suffering we definitly made it's last minutes in this life terrifying and even more painful which I'm sorry for.Question: How do you RELIABLY pinpoint areas for safe/painless kill shots are with different animals? And did you get it "right" on first try?None of us are trained/licensed hunters and we're not gonna receive any department sponsored external training or education on the issue any time soon.Would prefer actual hunters to give me some pointers here, randos on the internet are arguing about the wildest shit and apparently cant even decide on whether to use a pistol, a rifle or a fucking knife most of the time...Thanks.
>her service pistol>herFound the problem
>>64677543epic
>>64677538You know what the hunters do, you should have done as you know the hunters do.While the heart's location is known (anatomical diagram of a deer's body being easily available on the internet), hitting said location is obviously easier said than done.The rifle was the proper choice AND the center of the chest (from the front) is the best choice to successfully hit the heart. If you can't get the front, then the 2nd third (mentally divide the chest cavity into thirds and aim for the 2nd) of the chest should be a best guess situation. It should still take a couple of minutes for full brain death to occur, but if you successfully hit the heart then the brain will also shut down due to lack of oxygen being pumped into it.now, onto what you did. a handgun caliber is only viable for small dogs and below. anything above that requires mag dumping. This is what you should have been taught in basic. 9mm and 9mm short are such poor choices for caliber that every piece of training with them teaches multiple hits to stop any threat. Even the double tap (the gold standard of shooting 9mm) isn't only two rounds. it's two to the chest, reassess, then aim for the head; not put one in the head, shoot them in the head until they stop being a threat.and don't go expecting 9mm short (.380) to stop shit. It's good enough for James Bond because James Bond is a trained killer who intentionally gets extremely close to their target before employing his gun as a surgical instrument.Next time you're deployed for this (you succeeded once, you get to be the ones that do it), biggest caliber you can get and aim for the heart.
>>64677538>>64677541Add in an audience of crying children and screamming vegetarian mommies and this could have been a hilarious story! Just be glad you didn't have to shoot a person and the post incident self-recriminations, guilt and depression that attend that. Also, next time get in there and just slit it's jugular with your knife.
>>64677569>9mm shortEuro detected.
>>64677538Study anatomy. Humans, dogs, fox, deer, ect.
>>64677580actually, I'm American. However, this thread does include a European who may have .380 as their carry caliber.
>>64677581>>64677569I actually just went through some diagrams and apparently the area right above/slightly behind the socket joint where the forelegs meet the main body is the sweet spot (if the shot is placed from the side).I'd rather not do that shit every week, but it seems a safer bet than trying to hit the heart from the front as a non-hunter and definitely better than going for brain stem shots I guess...
>>64677591Based inclusive American. But, I mean, you could have said Kurz.
>>64677592>I'd rather not do that shit every week,I had a dog that killed the neighbor's goose. This was after he had killed 2 lambs. Now that you have "tasted blood", I expect you will be much the same. Absolutely ravenous. I'll wait for the movie.
>>64677591Forgot to mention, since I didn't think it would've made a world of difference: the carry calibre for our service pistol is 9x19mm, the AR which we used on the deer shoots .300 blackout, but again I don't imagine those specifics to really matter too much for an unarmored target like said deer or boars etc. Even less at close ranges, but ofc I could be wrong.
>>64677601>.300 blackoutWithout looking upnthe tables, I'd expect the .300bo to be on par with the .30-30, which is a standard for close range deer.
>>64677538What kind of deer? Red deer? Roe deer? Fallow deer?
>>64677613More importantly, did op sex it at the station?
Most hunters aim for the lungs. It's the most consistent place to hit for a quick kill. It's not instantly fatal, but they very quickly exsanguinate, pass out, and die as the rapid bloodloss tanks their oxygen supply.
>>64677633Img clearly shows a neck shot at the base of the skull is the preferred shot placement.>>64677538Did you at least save the hide? Did you get any trophy at all?
>>64677538>>until 3 weeks ago when some asshat ran over and crushed a deer's hind legs, then left it crippled and suffering on the roadIs it illegal to hit and run? What is the law, should the driver have stayed at the accident and provided aid?
>>64677613As I said, not a hunter. I guess it was a female because it didn't have antlers, but that's where my knowledge of deers and similar forest creatures ends. Shouldn't make a difference in terms of anatomy either, I think most deers have their organs in the same spots.>>64677633This was unironically my first idea because I assumed the lungs were usually the biggest vital thing in any chest cavity (deer, human, dog, horse, whatever). I decided against the lungs because I didn't want it to slowly suffocate because I imaged that would be the most painful way to go.Uh yeah, next time maybe I'll try the lungs although the idea with just hitting the heart seems sensible as well.What I definitely take from this so far is that I'm never going for the brain stem again, not cool.
>>64677647>As I said, not a hunter. I guess it was a female because it didn't have antlers, but that's where my knowledge of deers and similar forest creatures ends. Shouldn't make a difference in terms of anatomy either, I think most deers have their organs in the same spots.Yes, but I'm trying to get an idea of the size of deer here. On a larger deer, the brain shouldn't be too difficult of a target to hit.
>>64677538Hello Mr cop, my hunting association trains cops in my cunt on how to dispatch wounded animals.We used to do this for cops since majority of uniformed men have no idea how to use their firearms for something other than rectal prostate stimulation and we've seen too many incidents when they tried to shoot wounded animal on the road, only for their FMJ round to overpenetrate the deer and bounce off the asphalt into the neighborhood, or better yet off the asphalt, off the traffic barrier and into their knee. But the cops everywhere in the world hate people with guns and decided to lobby for tightening the gun laws here, accidentally making it illegal for anyone else than cops (and vets) to end the suffering of wounded animal.The best way to quickly dispatch a large animal like moose or red deer is to use shotgun and ammunition with some sort of pellets, not the slug it has potential for ricochet. If the animal is lying down, try to put some fabric like t-shirt or blanket on it's head to cover it's eyes. This will prevent it from becoming agitated when you come closer. Then aim the shotgun at the back of their head (behind the ear) and shoot from the distance of around 1m. At this distance the pellets are still inside the plastic wad and won't spread delivering lethal force into the cerebellum, and the potential of ricochet is very small.Don't shoot the animal if it's still walking around. If it's belly is split open and it's dragging it's guts just wait, it will collapse quickly. Don't shoot if you don't have good backstop. Asphalt isn't good backstop.Your instinct for not using 9mm was correct, but using rifles is tricky, bigger bullet means more energy but it also means overpen and risk of ricochet hitting someone.Good hunting stalker.
>>64677643>Is it illegal to hit and run? What is the law, should the driver have stayed at the accident and provided aid?Legally in my country (yours might differ) this wasn't a hit and run and can never be one because the deer didn't belong to anybody. It was a wild animal, so we didn't have to investigate an injured party here (an entity the deer belongs to, either individual or business/administration).The forests etc. the deer lived in are public property, but that doesn't make grant out local administration ownership to the deer in the same way your dog is considered your property.Take this with a grain of sarcasm, but in 99% of cases if you can't see a dog tag/collar, you're not going to investigate much further because you can assume it's a wild animal.You could start an investigation against an unkown perpetrator for violating animal welfare law, since the idiot who ran over the deer didn't inform the authorities in time to allow them to end the deer's suffering.What you SHOULD do in my country after running over a deer is call the police, who will always have several hunters on call 24h/day. They will send hunter xyz to the deer's location, the hunter kills the deer (more humanely than we did hopefully...) and either disposes of it or keeps it for meat, fur and what not after he/she reports the kill to the local administration's particular office for hunting and wildlife matters.>>64677641No, because as I said like 5 times I'm not a hunter and as soon as I do anything with the carcass besides putting it on the side of the road for the local hunters to gather and dispose of it, I'd be in trouble for poaching and, separatey, armed theft because I'd be carrying a service weapong while committing said poaching.Aside from that I have no use for rotting dead animals and don't know shit about skinning animals for their hides either.
>>64677668>If the animal is lying down, try to put some fabric like t-shirt or blanket on it's head to cover it's eyes. This will prevent it from becoming agitated when you come closer. Tbh we didn't even want to go near it because those things seem even bigger while they're alive and we really did not want to get kicked by it.Shotgun isn't an option, it's either pistol or AR. If you're a sick freak you could use your telescopic baton, but that would pretty much be your last shift. We don't carry knives on us, at best somebody has a multitool or small/medium sized knife in their bag, but nothing to really kill a deer with I suppse.>using rifles is tricky, bigger bullet means more energy but it also means overpen and risk of ricochet hitting someone.She shot it at an angle because as you said, we didn't want the bullet to bounce off. It was on an empty country road, so at worst it would've ricochetet off into the wilderniss. In a more populated area I'd probably have been more comfortable with the pistol because of overpenetration etc.>>64677650I really can't tell, standard issue european deer, brown/gray-ish fur. It wasn't standing up but if I had to guess maybe ~155cm from it's hooves to the tip of the ears.
>>64677675>armed theft because I'd be carrying a service weapong while committing said poaching.
>>64677675euro lawfag>poachingI can understand how you'd think it could qualify as poaching.but by all accounts that would have been what the driver did. you didn't "hunt" the deer and that is normally a constituent part of the legal definition of hunting. even more so you where exercising your duty in finishing of the deer.how you dispose of the deer is frankly not relevant to poaching laws.>armed robberyas you've state before the deer isn't anyone's property as such it can't be theft.that being said, butchering a deer on your own for the first time. never mind one with broken hinter legs would have freaked you out a lot more. so it's probably for the best you didn't end up doing that.if you are ever in the same situation and depending how far you are from your nearest zoo, they'll probably take the carcass to process into carnivore feed.thank you for your cervix and remember: never get caught on camera abusing a shitskin. we can't get you out of that one if it's he said she said then we can get you off.
>>64677650>>64677711https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roe_deerThis critter?
>>64677711If you don't have shotguns, the next best thing is to shoot it's heart. It won't kill it instantly like in video game, but it's the best outcome for the animal, certainly better than few hours of agony.It can buck or kick for a few seconds, if you're worried about vegan retards just deploy some screens used for crime scenes and then do the deed.Shooting the head is tricky, especially with the boars, they have tiny brain and thick skull.
>>64677641Neck shots are preferred but easy to fuck up unless you're in a blind/tree stand and have things heavily weighted in your favor. Lung shots are the most economic shot you can take as far as lethality/ease/speed of death (so humaneness + guarantee they won't die out of reach) is concerned. If you have a guaranteed neck shot, by all means, but a lumg shot is realistically what most hunters try for.
>>64677802>Neck shots are preferredYes, my bias is freely admitted. I met an african trophy hunter in my impressionable years (9-10), who stated he wouldn't take the shot is he couldn't get a neck shot, just to preserve the hide. This was in '71, so the game prevalence in the Dark Continent was likely.much higher than now. It always drove me to study anatomy for proper shot placement. >>64677581
>>64677541>Question: How do you RELIABLY pinpoint areas for safe/painless kill shots are with different animals? And did you get it "right" on first try?shooting the base of the ear when seeing the head in profile has never failed to kill anything I've shot
>>64677857>base of the earWe got a killrr.
>>64677538I'd just shoot it in the hart or lungs. it won't be instantaneous, but it should be faster than what you had. aim right behind the front legs on the lower half of the body.
>>64677856Yeah. I'm just claiming that bubba hunting deer with peepaw's .308 rifle is going to aim for the lungs rather than the neck, and be correct in doing so most of the time. If you're experienced, and can easily land the shot, you should generally aim for the neck.
>>64677538You sure it wasn't just disinhibition? Can't get the link ATM but aside from the head lift at the first shot, kicking and thrashing is normal even with a destroyed brain.
>>64677538Hunters on /an/
>>64678119It was probably just stunned and op murdered it. Kind of a shame.
>>64677668>The best way to quickly dispatch a large animal like moose or red deer is to use shotgun and ammunition with some sort of pellets, not the slugAssume the "Best gun and ammo for the job" is the one your service carries. Now what?
>>64678895>Assume the "Best gun and ammo for the job" is the one your service carries. Now what?Attach a piece of string to the gun and throw repeatedly at the animal from a distance until you brain it.
>>64679064>throw repeatedly at the animal from a distance until you brain it.Very irresponsible if:>>64677711>you're a sick freak you could use your telescopic baton, but that would pretty much be your last shift.Literally, just baton it to begin with you bloodthirsty, bareknuckle brawler.
>>64677541>Question: How do you RELIABLY pinpoint areas for safe/painless kill shots are with different animals?By using a scoped rifle. Since that's not what you meant, I'll answer your implied question as well. There are two places on a mammal where death from a gunshot is more-or-less guaranteed and instant - the brain and the heart. The location of both can vary a little bit, but generally the heart is just a little up and to the rear from where the front legs meet the body The easiest way to find the brain is to find the eye because the brain is almost always a couple inches in back of the eye.>And did you get it "right" on first try?I shot under my first deer, actually. Clean miss. The first deer I actually killed went down on the spot because I put a ~425gr bullet through its heart and I have never made a bad shot on a game animal.>None of us are trained/licensed hunters and we're not gonna receive any department sponsored external training or education on the issue any time soon.So go talk to one on your own time. You're not looking for much information here; he'll probably pull up either a photo or a diagram and say "shoot here" and it will take less than five minutes. If you're lucky you'll get more.>Would prefer actual hunters to give me some pointers here, randos on the internet are arguing about the wildest shit and apparently cant even decide on whether to use a pistol, a rifle or a fucking knife most of the time...Rifle >>>>>>>>> pistol and don't use a fucking knife. Just because an animal is down doesn't mean that it won't make one last bid for life; plenty of hunters have gotten killed by elk (wapiti/red deer to you) and moose because they went up to their "dead" animal without checking that it was actually dead and the animal started thrashing and put an antler through their neck. Poke it with a stick or a rifle barrel and if it doesn't move then it's almost certainly dead or damn near and you can safely check more closely.
>>64679928>~425gr bulletWhat bore? Sounds .400"+.
>>64679943It was a .54 Hawken with 90gr of FFG behind a Hornady Great Plains.Best goddamn factory bullets I've ever found and then Hornady discontinued them; I could print a cloverleaf @ 50yd and a <1.5" group @ 100yd and I never had more than 5% weight loss even with shoulder hits and basically zero bloodshot meat.
