https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/news/hunters-die-prion-brain-disease-contaminated-deer-meat-report/Prions being prions, this shit is terrifying. I’ve been hunting since I was a kid in 2002. Now I haven’t hunted in an officially afflicted county, but I haven’t eaten any of the venison that I’ve taken in the past two seasons because of this article. I’ve just donated it instead. Thoughts /k/ ? Have any of y’all taken a deer that obviously had CWD? Have you hunted in counties where it’s been spotted in the wild population even though the deer you harvested seemed healthy? Does proper cooking adequately denature or “unfold” the prions?Also general hunting discussion since this is the last weekend of the season for a lot of places.
inb4 some fake schizo says its a psyop to get people to not hunt anymore to stay dependent on corporations for food, or some other asinine conspiracy.
you posted this in the last fearmonger thread. fuck off.
I think CWD doesn't infect humans, though if memory serves it might be possible for a human to be an asymptomatic carrierBut I would still be reluctant to eat that meat, if only because it creeps me the fuck out
>>64685119Prions are only transmitted via consuming significant volumes of nerve tissue.Does OP have a sudden craving for Deer brains?
>>64685151>fuck offWhy? Isn’t this an important discussion, if not for the human implications but also for hunting and conservation in general? You sound fat and angry. You fuck off anon, you fuck off.
>>64685119I live in Western Canada and it's absolutely everywhere here. Deer, Elk, Moose, most of the guys I know who hunt all send in the heads to get checked. There are a couple older dudes I know who don't, and I think they are fucking morons. >>64685153>I think CWD doesn't infect humansThere is no, or at least extremely weak speculative evidence that it can be transmitted to humans. But it's absolutely possible that at some point it could spread. It takes years and sometimes decades for prion disease to manifest in humans. It's really not at all worth the risk.
>>64685178>everywhereJesus. Since when? Past 10 years? I remember even in 2010 it still seemed kinda uncommon in the US.
>>64685153>I think CWD doesn't infect humans, though if memory serves it might be possible for a human to be an asymptomatic carrierHumans can catch mad cow disease, it presents as creutzfeldt-jakob disease, though not necessarily as whatever disease one caught it from. Best bet is to either be very selective of what is eaten (and wasting the meat of the animal), or completely avoid animal populations where the disease is more common. There is no cure and it is quite hard to get, but you never know.
>>64685187Its been spreading for a while, but the last 10-15 years it has been getting worse and worse. https://www.alberta.ca/chronic-wasting-disease-history-in-alberta>2024/25, CWD was found in>26.8% of 1,318 mule deer>8.8% of 1,166 white-tailed deer
>Does proper cooking adequately denature or “unfold” the prions?noI think people should just get their meat tested desu. You're already spending thousands on your hobby, what's a few bucks more for peace of mind?
>>64685187>>64685200don't forget the blue meat from animals eating fuck loads of pesticides like the wild pigs everyone has been shootingand the meat only turns blue in high concentrates so your shit could still be full of poison and look fineenjoy
>>64685224It costs money? Shit it's free in Canada
>>64685229Its free in Texas
>>64685153>>64685178>>64685189Scrapie is another prion disease that's been known to humanity far longer than BSE or CWD and has never made the jump.Barely anyone who isn't associated with sheep in some way even knows what scrapie is.
>>64685225>https://www.sciencealert.com/wild-pigs-turned-neon-blue-in-california-triggering-warnings HOLY FUCK SHITThis clown world
>>64685292it's pretty badshit is fucked
>>64685281Scrapie has also been heavily controlled. Going from being in 32 states down to 3.
Possibly stupid question: how does a prion disease transfer through an herbivore population? I assume fleas or ticks are involved?
>>64685412It's mainly through contaminated fluids, waste, and the environment itself. One of the biggest vectors for CWD is the ground itself. Prions are borderline indestructible and will live in the dirt and infect deer that walk on it.
If there's no way to test the meat you hunt before consumption I don't see any reason to eat it. >But you eat factory grown meatThere's some level of testing for it, even if slips and cracks. Versus just rng gambling. >>64685412https://www.cdc.gov/chronic-wasting/about/index.html>Scientists believe CWD proteins (prions) spread between animals through body fluids like feces, saliva, blood, or urine. This can occur either through direct contact or indirectly through contamination of soil, food or water.I think it's just that kuru-kuru or whatever it's called that is purely spread by eating the brain. So people think that that is how all prions get spread when others may be spread elsewhere. Think about how mad cow disease was a cow eats ground up cow = now the cow has prions fucking up but you don't eat the cow brain you eat the muscle from the leg yet you get fucked by it despite never eating the brain.Same shit here, just minus the cannibalism. Herbivore gets it from environment, it doesn't just hang out in the brain but gets to the meat and then you eat it and then you die
>>64685412That’s one way. Prions are absolutely demonic. It’s a mis-folded protein that mis-folds other proteins it comes into contact with, making them either useless or into more prions. They also usually need autoclave or intense fire temperatures, so 900+ degrees F, to “unfold” and denature or destroy. Meaning simply cooking the meat doesn’t get rid of the contamination. Becausw they’re so durable, a prion infected animal’s remains will contaminate the ground it’s on with prions. So let’s say the animal succumbs to the disease in a feeding area or along a game trail and coyotes, bob cats, martens, and other predators scatter the animal, everywhere that carcass has been is potentialy contaminated. Meaning the grass or flowers some deer then eats might’ve been contaminated, even if the infected animal carcass was drug across that spot a month or so ago. Fleas and ticks and presumably mosquitoes could also potentially transmit, although I ticks tend to be the biggest culprit, especially among does through social grooming (eating the ticks off of each other). Blood , saliva, bodily fluids, and especially nervous tissue and fluids tend to have the highest concentration.
>>64685119Yeah not to sound like a weenie or a NIMBY but I'm not fucking with a prion. Even if there isn't a proven link that it can transmit, there's also no proof it can't transmit at all so it seems dumb to risk it over any other game or farm raised venison
>>64685445I think it first showed up in farm raised venison back in the 1960s IIRC, and spread to the wild population, not the other way around.
>>64685454Yeah that's right. Hell it's regularly found in farmed populations in Korea as well.
>>64685162You’re implying that deer are cannibalizing other deer or bashing open their heads and eating their brains?
>>64685454>>64685465Didn't know that, well that's slightly terrifying. Well at least farm meat is usually tested before sale
>>64685189>There is no cure and it is quite hard to get, but you never know.I assume you're talking about this:>In April 2024, it was revealed that two men from the same hunting group contracted Creutzfeldt–Jakob, prompting medical researchers to speculate transmission had occurred from consuming CWD-positive venison.[
>>64685418>and infect deer that walk on it.Well, that graze on things growing in it.>>64685412>assume fleas or ticks are involvedAlso that. They can eat ticks off other deer as a grooming behaviour and ticks can catch it from their host.Also licking can spread it in saliva, so don't make out with strange deer girls.
>>64685454>I think it first showed up in farm raised venison back in the 1960s IIRCMost prion can spontaneously occur. It's just a mutated protein, often only needing a single nucleotide polymorphism (mutation).
>>64685499>Also licking can spread it in saliva, so don't make out with strange deer girls.I'm impressed, rare for a deer-related thread on /k/ to hit more than 20 posts before bestiality comes up
>>64685119Prions are absolutely fucking horrifying, but there are some easy steps to avoid them.>don't touch the brain or spine>cook your meat>even if you fuck up on either of those steps transmission to humans is extremely unlikely and hasn't been documented thus far. >>64685153BSE jumped to humans. Good news is that there were only a handful of cases even though a shitton of people were exposed.
>>64685468No, but if that gets people out and hunting them more, I can roll with it.
>>64685162>Prions are only transmitted via consuming significant volumes of nerve tissue.That's really not true. They're often shed in saliva, urine and feces and can be present throughout the body.
>>64685119TOTAL CERVID DEATH
>>64685509I was going to say that you shouldn't kiss them on the mouth when you make love to them...but I decided to be classy.
>>64685510>cook your meatAyy, my bad I posted misinformation.Prions start to die at 130°C, so cooking won't do shit. Well lets hope they don't jump to humans I guess.
>>64685119>ya'llNative speakers don't utilize the apostrophe, you reddit scum tourist beta faggot.>Not even eating the heart of an animal you killI hope you get shot by a drunken hick on opening day and you lose a limb, then find out that you contracted Lyme disease.
>>64685119Watch them for 10 seconds before shooting them. If they're walking around all fucked up acting retarded don't eat them. If they are, shoot them and burn the body. Seems pretty simple to me. Don't eat the brain or spine either. I'm not worried at all.
>>64685529Bless your little tranny heart. I’m a 35 year old boomer Texan who works a real job and we apostrophize our y’all’s, in emails and in text… and on here. >ahkshually you’re not using it the way I want to read it.Imagine getting butthurt over grammar and slang like some liberal child. Shameful.
>>64685529Y’all’d’ve known otherwise if you weren’t some fat suburban kid with a highpoint.
>>64685524Probably depends on the cooking method, doesn't dry heat get substantially hotter than that?Or do they need to be exposed for a longer period than standard cooking time?
>>64685524Prions start to die at 900-1000C.
>>64685692>real job>emails
>>64685692>real jobPost hands, you slack jawed, spic sucking, pussy queer.
>>64685725Yes.
>>64685752You first fattie.
>>64685124I never understood that since the deer population would disappear overnight if factory farms stopped shipping meat to grocery stores.
OP is a reddit noguns who is fearmongering for engagement
>>64685434So whats the absolute best way to deal with infected deer then? What if they're in freaking suburbs?
>>64685856Kill all deer.
>>64685529>don't utilize the apostropheYou were so incredibly close to realising something, but flubbed it at the last second. No native user of y'all would write it the way OP has, but the issue isn't that the apostrophe exists but that it's in the wrong place.>y'all = you all>ya'll = you (as ya) will
>>64685281I've heard of it before because we tried to eradicate it in the UK in the mid 90's when it was properly classified, an advantage to living on an island where eradication is somewhat easier. The method of transmission can be effectively halted as it only exists in sheep really, the symptoms are clear (brain damage causes bum scraping) and you can test for it. We have nearly done it for BSE (mad cow) and that took extensive backtracing to do due to long incubation periods and culling. We can do this with humans too but that would be unethical apparently.Iirc the scrapie prion doesn't infect humans, but like any other infectious replicating "disease" there is always a chance so naturally both the sheep industry and good human disease prevention wants it gone. Something China should have done with Covid but nevermind.Controlling diseases in wild animals is significantly more expensive and difficult but doable with resurgence prevention.>In UK and US slaughterhouses, the brain, spinal cord, trigeminal ganglia, intestines, eyes, and tonsils from cattle are classified as specified risk materials, and must be disposed of appropriately.Do the same for deer, and you should have significantly less risk.T.Bong city dweller that enjoys medical trivia with legal guns.
>>64685537Dude block the entire face and maaybe even clothing in future. Search algorithms have gotten really good at classifying clothing face shape and other variables in the last few years, with the right money that can be doxable if she has family members posting her photos on facebook or council flock cameras selling your data to online brokers.
>>64685931SCHIZO
>>64685963Once my phones AI was able to individually pick out each peice of clothing I was wearing for me to buy online, it's a pretty easy jump to have all cameras start classifying people on identifiers and clothing, just like websites do with your browser even without cookies to track you (this is real too unless you specifically use certain browsers, look up browser fingerprint)If you are able to track and build databases of individual cars by not just by numberplate, but by model, color, driver and consistent location (this has been an advertised service for years) you bet they can do it to you individually in the near future.Best part is your council probably sold them the data for free and private citizens have access to it and broker it for cash.
>>64685902As far as I can tell, OP wrote it y’all. That other anon fucked it up in his green text
>>64685996Yeah you're a mentally ill third-worlder.
>>64685124Bringing up schizos unprompted makes you the schizo.
>>64686002You're just living in the past retardhttps://www.cyberlink.com/faceme/solution/people-tracker/overviewI'm also likely whiter than you.
>>64686002Have another link on me.https://www.bgr.com/tech/scary-new-ai-can-track-you-in-surveillance-videos-without-even-seeing-your-face/
>>64685119If you see them foaming, shoot them and burn them.
>>64686000>That other anon fucked it up in his green textI didn't even think to check, since I didn't believe anybody would still be hand-writing greentexts in this day and age.I guess the tourism accusation was finest unadulterated projection, as usual.
>>64685774Every accusation is a confession.
>>64685529Not using the apostrophe is the nog spelling.
>>64686374Typical marxist thought. Go on.
>>64686477Oh so you're a communist too, great. I'd tell you to face the wall but it'll definitely crumble when you fall on it
>>64685200Out of nowhere, we get an explanation of Alberta's recent leap is stupidity.
Get a room, you two.
My great aunt got prions in her brain and it killed her in her 80s. They don’t know the source but all they know is it wasn’t mad cow disease. They think that it infected her 70 years ago. Towards the end she was naked in her driveway crawling and screaming trying to find her dad who had been dead for like 50 years at that point. Scary shit. I do not eat venison anymore.
>>64685200>known distribution prior to 2000>all located within counties that share a border>all located to the east of the rocky mountainsSo.. Denver did it, huh?
>>64685153>I think CWD doesn't infect humansUhhhhhh.... yeah about that...>Nevertheless, a 2024 study highlighted a potential link between CWD and human prion disease following the death of two hunters who consumed meat from a CWD-infected deer population. In 2022, a 72-year-old man died within a month of presenting with confusion and aggression after his friend had previously died of Creutzfeldt–Jakob. While the diagnosis was confirmed as sporadic Creutzfeldt–Jakob, researchers emphasized that cross-species transmission is plausible in animal models and could not be ruled out in this cluster, emphasizing the need for further surveillance.[20]
>>64685721Prions only start to die at 2100 - 3300F.
>>64685412salt licks are supposed to be a big part of it according to some fuddy types near me. they all agreed to take them off their properties. no real data but they're convinced that there's been a drop in the area.
>>64685261It's also spreading in Texas. We lost all our goats over a year
>>64686014>>64686022This. Get clothing that throw off AI and surveillance sensors via patterns. Retarded NPCs need to get with the times.
