38 spl is the best example. It can be shortened to the length of 380 acp but it's not. And after all the changes in service rifle cartridges, I refuse to believe 9 mm is still the best pistol round. Nobody is interested in inmaxed calibers like 5.7 or 30 super carry because they cost more money because nobody is interested in them because they cost more. Like a perpetual motion machine.
>>64685299>100 years old.45 Super
>>64685299What do you want a handgun cartridge to do that existing ones do not? Yes, you could shorten .38spcl to 9mm or .380 length and push pressure for more velocity but who will make a new shorter frame that accommodates it? And if you say "it will just fit in existing frames!" then what did you gain with the new cartridge?I promise I'm not trying to poop on your parade; I'm all for the advancement of small arms and especially those used for personal protection but anything new has to offer enough gain over the already cemented options for consumers to make the switch and stomach ammo cost until the scale brings that cost down. .30SC is a great example. It's probably better than 9mm for most personal protection scenarios but not better enough to convince anyone to pay the cost difference. Many cartridges fall into this category. .357 Sig, .45 GAP, .38Super, all have a niche where the excell against more common calibers. But the difference is small enough that Johnny Everyman couldn't justify the cost difference. Also, turns out shooting nigs in the right spots matters alot more than what bullet you shoot them with so improvements to ergonomics, optics and illumination have taken priority for the past few decades.5.7 is honestly an example of a cartridge breaking this cycle. .300BLK is another one. They lived in obscurity for the first 20 some years of their existence but now, many manufacturers make guns and ammo for the cartridges. They'll never be as cheap or popular as 9mm or 5.56 but they aren't going away anytime soon either.
.40 S&W and .45 ACP are the best available semiautomatic pistol rounds..38 Special is the best overall self defense/urban combat revolver round..32 H&R Magnum is the best compact ankle-revolver round.(as th other anon posted, niche calibers/chamberings exist in between all of these; larger magnums and 10 mm Auto are good for game hunting, LR target shooting, or if a minority of users train specifically for their deployment in urban combat/self defense)
>>64685299Once you go hotter than 9x19mm +P you start running into the issue that the round becomes fatiguing to shoot, I shot 1k 10mm in a month a month ago and I started having issues grabbing things, basically giving myself arthritis
>>64685363Revolverbros are so autistic that distributors can revive cartridges like .32 H&R and it actually sells. The .32 H&R UCs outsold the .38 Special UCs.
>>64685299Why the fuck would anyone want a revolver in a rimmed 380 ACP cartridge? That's as retarded as using rimless cartridges on a revolver.
>>64685363don't ask this man how many of his .40 and .45 pistols are LE trade-insalso wtf is an urban combat revolver lol
>>64685416It's simply an ideal round for that niche.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3e-y7Tu0E
>>64685432The whole .327 family is based
>>64685428>hurr durrby "urban combat" is meant anyone, in an urban situation carrying a handgun—semiauto pistol, or revolver—that would be put into a self defense or gunfight/shots exchanged siuation on the street.That's it that's all(Amazing how 'trigger phrases' reel in the brainlets aka people that ought be prohibited from accessing the internet, in droves)>LE trade-insare 9 mm as well. If ? the pistol is not antiquated/is of recent manufacture and in reasonable physical shape (not beat to shit) then it's gtg for sel defene/carry
>>64685428>also wtf is an urban combat revolver lolIt's for people who thought an urban combat flintlock was just too silly.
>>64685299>why no new thing>Nobody is interested in inmaxed calibers like 5.7 or 30 super carry because they cost more mone5.7 is doing rather well actually.
>>64685448>are 9 mm as well. If ? the pistol is not antiquated/is of recent manufacture and in reasonable physical shape (not beat to shit) then it's gtg for sel defene/carrymy point is that the only people who defend .40SW anymore are people who bought a very cheap LE-Trade in gun and are coping with their annoyingly snappy pistol.if .40SW or .45 were the "best" semi auto pistol rounds then guys whos job it is to shoot people every day would choose those rounds, but they don't. inb4 you post a pic of an M45A1
>>64685455the only 'urban combat' revolver i can think of is an R8
>>64685299What's amusing is that every projo for handguns is furiously trying to duplicate the 220 grain .455 Webley MkIII "manstopper".
>>64685459is Toyota Camry the 'best' <----Nobody brought that up until (You)car?Ubiquity diesn't mean superiority, or even most-suited-to-task
>>64685455>>64685460
>>64685299I am interested in .30 super carry, as well as .327 mag and .32 acp. I just so happen to also be interested in .45 acp and .45 colt
>>64685455>>64685460>>64685497
>>64685299Would a revolver in 5.56 be possible? I guess 300 blackout would be better.
>>646855425.7 would be better to keep the cylinders shorter, but if length isnt a concern you can always just have BFR size frames and cylinders and fit even .50 bmg in a beefy revolver if one wanted
>>64685542it would be incredibly unfun to shoot
>>64685542>>64685671Bottleneck cartridges don't do great in revolvers, straight wall is preferable. S&W came out with a ported .350 Legend X-Frame which would probably be the way to go if you want a rifle cartridge in a wheelgun.
>>64685551>5.7 would be better to keep the cylinders shortercylinder gap + fast-and-light projectile = shit
>>64685339>What do you want a handgun cartridge to do that existing ones do not?-Penetrate armor while having hollowpoint performance in flesh.-150m effective range-Whisper quiet-At least 13 rounds per mag-Weighs nothing-44 centimeters long-4x magnification sights that wirelessly link to a HUDBasically I want the MC6/SOCOM pistol. It's chambered in M225 12.7×40mm SAP-HE (semi-armor-piercing, high-explosive).
>>6468529944mag is the practical max your wrist will hake and descended from a 45 that worked out as effective in killing horsesAll .3x and 9mm are descended from the same 35 cal that was good enough to kill menThe 280-9mm are all roughly the same and poke the same sized hole with little differenceIf you cared about effect you'd shoot a 44 mag to begin with
>>64685882>All .3x and 9mm are descended from the same 36 cal that was good enough to kill men>The 380-9mm are all roughly the same and poke the same sized hole with little differencetypo fixed
>>64685542it's called a 22lr/22mag dumbass
>>64685864>Basically I want the MC6/SOCOM pistol. It's chambered in M225 12.7×40mm SAP-HE (semi-armor-piercing, high-explosive).nogunz vidya faggotdid skyrim teach you to ride a horse?stfu
>>64685882>44mag is the practical max your wrist will hakemaybe your wrist, I have no problem shooting X-frame revolvers all day
>>64686182X-frame revolvers are also fuck huge massive compared to contemporary service sized pistol, nevermind contemporary concealed carry pistols.
>>64686187>they're fuck huge
>>64685542A certain revolver company tried to do 5.56 and 7.62x39 in revolvers awhile back. They didn't work well at all. Myriad of issues from cylinder binding to difficult extraction (on 5.56 at least, 7.62x39 came out easy because of the crazy taper).>>64685864>penetrate armor while having HP performance on fleshSo an energetic fragmenting projectile with a tungsten core.>150m effective range9mm is still potent at this distance if you can make hits. So are all the magnum center fire revolver cartridges and many other autoloading pistol cartridges.>whisper quietSo subsonic? Gotcha.>13 rounds per magWell with no height restriction listed, this is easy.>weighs nothingPhysical impossibility but it could theoretically be pretty light. Have fun with the recoil though!>17inches longDoes it have to be that long?>sci-fi bullshitI dunno man just buy the faceberg glasses and put some Bluetooth sensors on the muzzle I guessSo you want a Desert Eagle with a scandium or polymer frame, carbon fiber barrel, scandium slide wrapped around it's existing bolt, loaded with heavy, subsonic, tungsten core ammo in a 13 rd mag. A suppressor that gets you to 17 inches long for some reason, a camera/sensor array on the front pic rail linked to some fancy glasses and programing to somehow superimpose a reticle on said glasses. Probably also software and range finding capabilities to dial dope into the reticle based on where the pistol is pointing to make hits possible out to 150m. So despite your noguns vidya answer, you could probably actually have exactly what you're asking for today if you have the money to throw at its development. Essentially, the tech exists, you would just need to commission it. So yet again, the answer to the OPs question is: there is no better mousetrap because it already exists.
>>64685299Good enough for Bernie Goetz, good enough for me.
>>64685424Can’t you run regular 380 with moon clips in a 9mm chambered revolver anyway?
>>64686182454 in an Alaskan is a fun time. Get a good rhythm and you can shoot pretty rapidly
>>64685460Feel like the north sky marshal should get a mention. No I don’t own one. Wouldn’t turn one down if I came across it and had the cash though..
>>64686366I would assume so. there shouldn't be any more difference between 9mm and .380 on moonclips in a 9mm cylinder than you'd run into with .38s in a .357 cylinder, which is none at all.
