Why don't modern rifles have a cleaning rod along the barrel anymore with a cleaning kit in the stock/grip?Seems like a pretty inelegant solution to give the soldier these separate maintenance packages when it all could be mounted on the gun, easily and quickly accessed when needed, and never misplaced/lost.
> we switched from 308 to 5.56 to make the rifles lighter, why don't we make them heavy again by attaching a cleaning kit that is only needed once every 3-5k rounds?
>>64685571Redpill me on this rifle
>>64685597>>64685589Not the topic of the thread.We are talking about cleaning rods here.
>>64685664>ask question>shoot down every answersoh yeah, we're in an engagement thread.
>>64685571Now that optics and rail attachments are the norm rifle maintenance kits have to have so much extra shit in them that you physically can't mount it all to the weapon.
>>64685571every rifle after the m16a4 is a joke, thats whya2 stocks too long for women in body armor? solution: stop trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. women shouldn't be holding rifles
>>64685676Why don't modern rifles attach a cleaning rod on the rifle?>>64685681There's plenty of space beside the barrel.>>64685689The M16 never had a full length cleaning rod attached to it. When troops realized that they needed one they had to come up with field solutions like pic related.
>>64685597It's an AR-15. Just like every other gun posted on this shit ass board.
>>64685724>The M16 never had a full length cleaning rod attached to itretard
>>64685758if OP comes up with a reply that rebukes this post, everyone knows what to do.
>>64685571because 8lbs without magazine is considered excessively heavy for a rifle shooting less than .308.and adding more weight makes it harder for those quick reaction drills, and netgatively affects transition and stabilization to a new target.
>>64685571For the same reason modern grenade launchers aren't mounted to the gun and those stock-mounted mag pouches from the 2000s vanished quickly; you want as little weight on it as possible; and the cleaning kit is only going to be used when you're out of contact.
We don't shoot corrosive ammo that requires constant cleaning in between shooting anymore. A cleaning kit isn't needed on the battlefield, most guns can be wiped clean or cleaned with flowing water and work.
>>64685758>>64685762I'm not talking about a fucking gay ass threaded together shitty rod. I'm talking about a strong tough one piece rod that you can remove in a second and use if you get a stuck case etc.
>>64685597FN IWS LICCIndividual Weapon System, Lightweight Intermediate Caliber CartridgeChambered in .264 USA/6.5x4325rd Magpul Mags7.75lbs empty without suppressorAmbi controls and charging handlesNo AR charging handle, dust cover or Forward AssistFolding StockBolt catch and release located in front of trigger guardFlat TriggerBasically FN not being fucking lazy like they were with the SCAR and actually designing something that was requested.The new .264 USA cartridges are stainless steel and 20% lighter than the previous brass cases.Overall reaction is positive, but there are people who criticize the huge charging handle on both sides having potential to snag on gear or brush.The 25 round limit and .264 chambering is also criticized. The .264 is already a niche specialty cartridge that already had to be redesigned for the change from brass to stainless steel and had to have a new custom magazine for it. At that point they should have just lengthened it to get the case capacity they wanted rather than sacrifice mag capacity.
>>64685771Putting that weight on the rifle instead of the soldier's kit gives you better weapon stability and recoil control.It's like giving everyone the stability/accuracy benefits of a longer/heavier barrel without increasing the weight of the total loadout.
>>64685869dumbass
>>64685871The SCAR was exactly what was requested, hence why every nigger copied it for the next 20 years. FN were happy to offer NRCH rifles from the start, but aside from the marines who never ultimately bought it, no major customer ever asked.
>>64685773What difference does it make if your rifle is 0.5kg heavier given that the total kit is the same weight?Also, those separate grenade launchers are a fucking retarded idea. A rifle mounted grenade launcher gives you a lower overall kit weight meaning that you can carry more grenades, it also improves stability and reduces the recoil of launching grenades.
>>64685878As a soldier I was taught a failure drill where you disassemble the rifle on your hip, take out your cleaning rod, thread it together and use it to clear the barrel of anything that might be obstructing, cases, dirt, ice, etc. it and then put your rifle together.Doing this under time constraint, with little sleep, and at night is a fucking pain in the ass, especially with winter kit.Someone lost their fucking bolt in the snow practicing this drill but that's a separate issue.A convenient rod attached right next to your muzzle, like in the rifles of past times, would be a significant improvement.
>>64685597NGSW if it was actually good.Instead of using a moronic earsplitter machfuck ballistic clone of 762 that only dubiously accomplishes its goals (at the cost of vastly increased weight and decreased ammo capacity, more recoil, comical barrel wear, etc), it shoots a modified version of .264 USA called .264 LICC (6.5x53) that actually improves power, range and trajectory over 5.56 without being retarded in the other areas. It also looks like pure sexo.
>>64685921*6.5x43. whoops.
>>64685571Bore snake
>>64685754false. the carrier group is closer to a AK-SCAR hybrid and it has a buffer integrated to the bcg too IIRC. Described as very soft shooting.
>>64685724>There's plenty of space beside the barrel.For a rag, a brush, a lens cloth, a screwdriver with torque head and relevant fasteners, and more than a quarter ounce of CLP and lens cleaning fluid? Plus consumables like patches and q tips?
>>64685955Those go into the stock/pistol grip.The rod should be a full length style alongside the barrel, quickly detachable.
>>64685869>>64685676
There should be a big difference between having a chrome-plated barrel or not.
>>64685871They should have made it poly-cased and quad stacked.
>>64685571when can we get this as civlians
>>64685881>What difference does it makebecause that weight is in your ruck not your hands, and you arent wearing your ruck in a firefight.>A rifle mounted grenade launcher gives you a lower overall kit weightnot significantly>it also improves stabilityit pushes the centre of gravity to the front of the gun and makes it heavier which fatigues the arms and makes it more tiresome to hold a sight picture or move the gun precisely at speed, idk what you define stability as but to me that's less stable>reduces the recoil of launching grenades.40mm grenades punt the shooter, but they dont kick hard; and a smaller lighter package is much easier to aim
>>64685900what, while underfire? what fucking retarded shit is this
>>64685589Range retard that doesn't know he might have to ram a round out of the barrel or casing out of the action with a cleaning rod.
>>64686657>extremely niche case of a squib that you might not notice until the gun blows up>something you do a lot quicker by mortar clearing
>>64685571Most people wear the cleaning kit on their belt. In the past the rod was single part and couldn't be collapsed
>>64685571The victorious modern soldier is far better supplied and equipped - there is no need for the extra weight when an entire spare rifle can be retrieved from their transport vehicle, brought up from a supply cache by courier, delivered by drone or any other myriad solution. And I say this having had the joy of presenting my Mauser's cleaning rod to a fellow at the range faced with a stuck case from shooting 50yo 30-06 ammo recently inherited from his granddad. It's a feature useful in the bygone times of adventurous military expeditions and serendipitous circumstances, not present general issue.
>>64686208>because that weight is in your ruck not your hands, and you arent wearing your ruck in a firefightNo, the cleaning kit goes in your vest so you can use it at any time necessary.>it pushes the centre of gravity to the front of the gun and makes it heavier which fatigues the arms and makes it more tiresome to hold a sight pictureMore weight at the front controls muzzle movement incredibly well making the gun more stable under recoil. Besides, a soldier isn't going to be standing up holding a sight picture all day long, rather, he will go prone and brace the rifle on anything he can find so that he actually hits the target.
>>64686512If your get a stuck case or a barrel obstruction in the middle of a firefight you can't just ask the enemy to stop shooting so you can clear the jam.
>>64686662>>mortar clearing>rim shears off
