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>>64687720Ah yes I really care about the opinion of a pimple faced teenager in his mom's basement who did 5 minutes of research with AI.
>>64687720What are the theoretical accuracy, speed and range limits of a railgun? A global range railgun in kansas would be true endgame for war.
>>64687720Pretty spot on.>stupid expensive>armed with shit that doesn't exist yet>extremely inefficient VLC to tonnage/cost ratio>one big targetIs Trump actually getting senile?
this is a good idea because with the high-low mix, going higher also means you can go lower and cut out the middle which will save incredible amounts of money and super carriers are on the way out
>>64687802So get rid of Burke III's and only build BBG (X)s and LCS 2.0?
>>64687720Yeah basically this plus the FF(X) means its all over for the USN.
>>64687720>PLAAN vs USN comparison >absolute sausage factory of good-enough middle-income ships being produced in record numbers>USN will be fielding a shitty constabulary "flagship" class, a cold war relic class, and a literal coast guard frigate class against that mass it's fucking over for USN it's really fucking stark when the projected fleet composition is shown side by side like that i'm unironically demoralized by this
The benefit of this is that it puts demand on building larger shipyards or upgrading existing ones. Its a vanity project and a jobs program to reignite US shipbuilding. A VLS spamming battleship requires less personnel than another aircraft carrier and fleet and can be paired with existing fleets as extra firepower.
>>64687916Implessive
>>64687929>Seeing issues with the USN is the same as being a china shillFaggot
>>64687931Yeah, the post anon was replying to is pretty shilly. >Burke >cold war relic class get out.
He misses the point that the Trump class can carry larger sensors which could be a great addition to a fleet if supported by many FFG(x)s
>>64687942>FFG(X)>being part of any grand-battle Its incredible to me, truly astounding, how so many naval enthusiasts have seemingly no idea what a Frigate is and what it gets used for. I suspect its some chang psyop.
>>64687740fpbp
>>64687942by that metric Zumwalt is an astounding success because it can also theoretically carry larger sensors supported by its power plant and is an actual ship that exists physically unlike the Big Beautiful Gay (Sex)
>>64687947Assuming the FF(X) actually functions as a control center for many autonomous or semi-autonomous boats with different functions it could actually function as a Frigate, ie bait + scout. The autonomous vessels are sort of expendable relative to other naval assets, particularly ones which are just a pile a sensors on a hull with a enough power generation to run them. It also needs to be said they any of these autonomous ships can also be added to the order of battle in any fleet which has a command and control center capable of directing them. I suspect that the "frigate program" is more about these hypothetical boats than the frigate itself, its just that they make the frigate viable by existing thus they are part of that program. Also maybe useful to supplement air-based anti-sub patrols.The Chinks are just replicating Monitor Doctrine, French Young Schools, Coastal Defense Battleship doctrine, ect in a new age. Their entire fleet disposition seems to made to rush out to a relatively close island(Formosa) and to try to deny naval access to the region for a short period of time. Will it work? I don't know, maybe. They still have shit for SSNs so they aren't going to be throwing their weight around in blue water for a long time.
>>64687972Zumwalt is actually an incredible capable platform. Retrofit will be required but the hull shape and power generation provide it with lots of potential. If the project had not been mismanaged and cancelled, economies of scale would have made comprehensive retrofits far more feasible. Zumwalt haters are low-brow amateurs.
>>64687947>Frigates not being part of a grand-battleSo what's the plan then? Your aegis capable 7000 ton warships packed with VLS twiddle their thumbs?>>64687972No, it couldn't, but it could be a worthy addition to the fleet if modified to support Burke's and frigates as a C&C centrepiece.
>>64687978>still not getting itSimplest possible terms: USN's problem is that it has to be everywhere all the time. So even though its bigger than China, and will be for another 20 years at current Chinese build rates, it will only be harder and harder to maintain parity with the Chinese in the Pacific. So they need something that can maintain presence in other theaters, and free up Burkes for the Pacific. Hence: FFG(X). No point in having a Burke prowl around the Caribbean when you could just have a frigate do that instead. Its overkill. And if some shit kicks off in the Caribbean (like it is now), you can then surge Burkes to that theater. Tl;Dr: frigates are going to free up destroyers to be used in theaters where you absolutely fucking need destroyers 24/7.
>>64687720Seeing how the design of the stupid thing isn't even set on paper, I doubt this this thing is even going to get the funding for its construction by the time the corpse is out of office.
>>64687942There's only two Constellations being built. Did you somehow miss that program being killed? If you meant FF(X), the Navy is putting LCS level armament on it and it won't have aegis. It's just an overweight, overcrewed LCS. In anycase, a single ship with all the launchers is still fucking stupid because its range is gimped by being far behind. It's also a massive target that destroys a huge part of its group's capability if its hit. Toouh of its tonnage is given over to guns and lasers instead of tubes. It's a retarded idea.
>>64687983>Packed with VLSNot the anon you're replying to but I thought FNAF(X) wasn't getting VLS
>>64687972>aged boomer sees existing naval program and pushes it as a pet project in order to get his name on something a decade down the line>this means something to the projectThe design may or may not be shit, but Trump calling it a battleship because it displaces three times as much as a burke means nothing. Naming conventions are supposed to be based on role rather than displacement, but nobody follows fucking conventions anyway. And presidents changing them is far from unknown, like in the "cruiser crisis".>>64687931We are autists who love boats: and journo faggots bitching about the latest naval procurement "debacle" are as artificial and as based on empty social signaling as any chink posturing. In libtard society you get status by "exposing" something and the navy gets money by hyping up the opposition. In Chink society the budget is set and the priority is to assuage the concerts of the bug hive with positive propaganda.
>>64687740>1st day after /k/ (re)discovers pidgin english
>>64687983>Your aegis capable 7000 ton warships packed with VLS twiddle their thumbs?Constellation and Congress can go play pattycake while doing presence patrols in SOUTHCOM together.
>>64687759Theoretical range is slightly longer than the AGS, but with about a quarter of the explosive charge. It's not particularly useful as a land attack weapon.
>>64687999We were discussing the FFG(X), then frigates in general. All modern firgates have strongish AAW sensors and VLS cells, I was using the rough spec of the FFG(X) as an example, but I could use the F127 or the Type 26 or the FREMM. No idea what the FNAF(X) is but I assume you mean the FF(X), which won't have a VLS but it isn't a frigate.
>>64688014Thank you Grok
>>64687999FFG(X) was the Constellation class, with 32 VLS. It was canceled, and its replacement was called FF(X), which is fitting because the G is for guided missiles and FF(X) has no VLS.
>>64687987No, itcs problem is that combatant commanders *want* them to be everywhere at once and the CNO has no ability to tell them "We can't support that retarded optempo." The other branches have the same problem, but are better able to absorb it due to mass and rotation. The Navy doesn't have enough ships to do that so they get run ragged and put off critical maintenance (like fixing your surface search radar) to go piddle fuck through the Taiwan Straight in order to back up some 4 stars need to suck up to Washington civilians (and kill a bunch of your own crew in the process).That's not a "too few hulls" problem. It's an ownership and force generation problem. Having more hulls just puts lipstick on it and doesn't actually solve the fundamental issues.
>>64688013>give the country a South Korea style population collapse while solving no problems! That will help!
>>64688035>Solving no problemsIt would solve a few
>>64687764But it‘s BIG, BEAUTIFUL, GOLDEN, STRONG and POWERFUL!!!!Who cares whether it‘s a ship with no purpose? It’s a Potemkin Village thing just like the Wall.
>>64688035>WE NEED a low IQ unproductive workforce that is addicted to committing violent crime
>>64687742hes literally worked in military procurement in the australian military, hes more knowledgeable on that subject than the avarage twitter retard for sure.
>>64687972>by that metric Zumwalt is an astounding succesIt could have been if they didn't blow the budget on railguns instead of larger radar and more VLCs.And would you look at that, orange man fell for the railgun meme again, except on a bigger, less efficient shit, allah praise be upon her help me, I cannot stand the retardation anymore.
>>64687720buy an ad
>>64687764>goingThe dude is 80, he's full gone.
>>64687764Since the 1980s.
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>>64688176My pipo is talk ing like niggels
>>64688138Every video he makes has dozens of mistakes.He is positively clueless.
>>64688181Such as?
>>64688200find me a clip or timestamp of him claiming that, should be easy if he does it so often no?
>>64687742>>64687942>>64688138>>64688181>>64688189He makes a lot of mistakes in his videos and his predictions are always off.>G-day mates!>muh RuZZia will colapse in '23, in '24, in '25, or in 26 s-s-surerly!1
>>64688232>no evidenceBTW, current russia de facto doctrine diverged from their historical de jure doctrine because they don't have tanks (as tanks) or shells to sustain their attacks. That's why they're trying to replace a lot with glide bombs and the spam of FPV (with fiber included)And their sustained casualties are higher than ever. Only retarded CNN media and retards like you would say "total collapse in 2 weeks"
>>64688232Why the fuck did you mass reply to me?
>>64688243Don't argue with Peejet on the RuZZian payroll.
>>64687867idk about the near term but my vision for the future is a couple huge command ships surrounded by swarms of drone boats supported by drone carriers/tenders i havent thought about logistics and landing ships yet desu
>>64688267If you mean huge huge, then you can easily kill those drones by killing the mothership.
>>64688277I disagree, for example killing a carrier doesnt kill the planes already flying nor the destroyer escorts, presumably autonomy will one day or already be able to execute missions without constant input
>>64688292A mothership will act as the heart and brain of the C&C capabilities. Knocking that out they will kill their ability to act as planned. And if you sink a carrier in the mid pacific with its planes in the air, yes they are dead. Planes and destroyers are autonomous and can act independently. What roles do you plan for these drones, kinda important for my reply. How large are they going to be and with what capabilities?
>>64688138He's a chinkshill that thinks that VLS counts are all that matter and that the Sejong class is a huge upgrade from the Burke that the US should be buying instead.>>64688144Zumwalt didn't have a railgun.
>>64687740on BLOODS that's what i want!
>>64688189In this video he compares VLS cell count despite the VLS cell sizes being vastly different. Chinky VLS is 2x the size.He also doesn't seem to know thinks already have long-range hypersonics in their VLS since they're so big and ignores the Type 055 for that comparison.Very sloppy research.
>>64688324Dr Alex Clarke on youtube said "wars are either 6 minutes 6 days 6 months or 6 years" or something like that which I thought was clever. if the swarm gets blinded it can just launch every possible effect based on the most recent info which is not a healthy position for an adversary to get thousands of missiles/drones/torpedoes/suicide boats incoming. thats if blinding the fleet is even possible, sensors and communications can still be distributed enough to provide basic functions without a main ship
>>64688359Because he's using the CSIS comparison, that simple count comparison is limited, but adding a figure of merit/weights makes it more complex (you would have to take into account size and weapons).
>>64688359>In this video he compares VLS cell count despite the VLS cell sizes being vastly different.You can compare count without their depth. Its like saying you can't compare China's shitty missiles to western higher quality equipment.
>>64688381>China's shitty missilesCite your unbiased classified sources on the accuracy of Chinese vs American weaponry
>>64688373>logarithmic scalegrim.
>>64688370>if the swarm gets blinded it can just launch every possible effectHuge issue with that. They lose connection, fire everything. Connection rejoins, oh where are all my missiles? Also how are you guiding them there? How are you organising the defence? etc etc
>>64688386>being too low IQ to understand what I saidwew
>>64688381Chinese missiles are mostly superior to US missiles.They're mostly recent developments with modern AESA radars, using GaN Transistors. Meanwhile the US is still on planar arrays, not even PESA yet alone AESA and no GaN, and many of the old SM-2 stock is semi active radar homing, not even active homing.Most missile motors are still single pulse, while the chinese have dual pulse motors.The US has no fielded solid fuel ramjets, the chinese have multiple.The US have no fielded hypersonics on their ships, the chinese have multiple.The chinese 5-5-5 medium range SAM is also vastly more manoeuvrable than the mediocre ESSM and has a better sensor.The one questionmark is on how many missiles the chinese manage to multipack into those big VLS tubes.The FM-3000N export version has been offered in quadpack since 2021 afair.
>>64688441Gan transistor is inferior to MOSFET, cry harder chinky
>>64688441IMPLESSIVE!!!!
>64688447False flag or deeply retarded.
Ladies and Gentlemen, I present to you the future of the US Navy:- USS Distraction from Epstein Files.ppt- USS Arleigh Burke Flight IIIA overloaded with 6 upgrades on a hull stretched 3 times and close to sinking with 50 year old design choices- USS Coast Guard Cutter with 4 missiles in a shipping container strapped on the Helideck so you can't use an anti-sub heloFucking grim.
>>64688327Ah yes because Chinese shills are always complimenting and trying to get people to buy South Korean military equipment
>>64688447what does the T in MOSFET stand for, mutt?
>>64688453at least we aren't building yourapoor ships
>>64688327>VLS counts are all that matterBasically, yes. All major defensive and offensive weapons frigates, destroyers and cruisers carry go into a VLS tube.Everything else is last-ditch close-in self defence (CIWS, RAM), or to shoot pirates in rubber boats.
>>64688453>if you only knew how bad things really are
