Pre ban editionGuide: https://files.catbox.moe/9g5sv2.pdfPastebin: https://pastebin.com/gs6mLNik Previously >>64687892
Handgun?
>>64695690Canada banning more guns or something?
>>64695697Yes, hand=gun
Weird grip
>>64695707Pastebin grip
>>64695707Ah the PB grip
>>64695703Hand? Gun?
> .380 is actually all you really need
>>64695815Why do you hate this anime girl so much
>>64695837She's a dirty whore who cockblocked her brother from the love of his life. She deserves the Bryco. She is the human version of a Bryco; Cheap, dirty, and gets the job done. You throw it away afterwards.
>>64695815>anemic meme caliber for women and wristlets that routinely fails to meet minimum penetration standards or expand is all you need No thanks. I’ll stick with calibers that reliably meet FBI requirements.
>>64695907why? are you in the FBI? who made them the all knowing authority on handgun round effectiveness?
>>64695930If your pistol rounds get deflected by auto glass and you drive regularly youre gonna die.
>>64695907Doesn't it meet FBI requirements? They are only concerned with penetration depth, because of that legendary Dade shot that was blocked by an arm, and since ACP rounds are slow and won't expand anyway, they will probably achieve that 12"
>>64695934why did you reply to a post that had 3 questions and not attempt to answer any of them?
>>64695941I answered the first question.
>>64695934if you drive regularly youre like 100,000x more likely to die from shaniqua browsing tiktok in her altima than a shooting
>>64695948what if the bad guy's rounds also deflect off auto glass, does it cancel out?
>>64695949Then dont carry at all. >>64695953Whst if his dont deflect and yours does?
>>64695907>WW1 didn't happen in my ubermensch fantasy world were my penis size is based on my caliber size
>>64695961what if i wait until the bad guy with good rounds shoots out the glass, then shoot back? as long as the glass is gone were good to go
>>64695967You run the risk of getting shot over just shooting through glass with HSTs, which are cheaper than your .380 round of choice Id wager.
>>64695969what if i just say no? he cant legally shoot me without my consent
>Deflecting with nonsenseAverage hipster caliber user. Just use 9mm handguns are solved, penetration and shot placement matter for gunfights.
Lights on sale on primary arms, should I buy an x300 or tlr1?
>>64695983>shot placementtrue for all calibers>penetrationwhy stop at 9mm? why not go 5.7 fmj if penetration is so important?
>>646960109mm cheaper
>>646960109mm penetrates barriers better than 22 calibers. Theres evidence to show it can overpen more than an AR in cases.
>>64696013why not 22 lr or 22 wmr fmj?
>>64696022>9mm penetrates barriers better than 22 caliberswhy are you shooting someone behind a barrier? if its not glass, you cant see them and probably shouldnt be shooting>Theres evidence to show it can overpen more than an AR in cases.care to post any evidence or cases to back that up?
>>64696024See>>64696022
>>64696035So if a guy shoots at you from behind cover you acceot your death
>>64696047depends, is he blind firing like in gears of war? or is he regular firing. and whats the cover made of?
>>64696060>DependsToo late! Run or shoot!
>>64695690Trying again. Picrel is mine.>stock, used, nice condition, for 600 euro bucksBuilding it currently.>meprolight suppressor sights>griffin microcomp>hogue grip>18 rounders>18 rounders spacers from suppressortools so I can still use 15 rounders>plastic Aliexpress railI want a nice aluminium rail from Wicked Compensator but I missed the two last drops and i'm not sure it will reach Europe. Someone here has one ? Any insight ?>inb4 olightEuro weakness, I can't convince myself to spend 3x or 4x the money for an imported streamlight/surefire.Also i'm waiting for an extended mag release button (HK made), it's been months. Finding HK stuff is a freaking pain in the ass in Europe.>question for USP ownersThe serial letters are almost gone on my slide, whereas the rest of the gun's finish is pretty great. Is it normal ? Thanks bros.
>>64696086and all you needed was a HK45c stock instead of that retarded monstrosity. Zero drip.If you want to have some real drippy mods you should have dipped your toe into P320 building. Aluminum / steel grip modules too many to choose, and whatever drippy aftermarket uppers you could want.
I just realized it was in 9mil. That's just disgusting and you definitely wasted all your euro money ricing it out
>>64696102>>64696115who are you trying to impress by being a contrarian .45 stan?
>>64696123nobody I just call it like i see it boyo
>>64696086Get a suppressor. Otherwise get rid of the microcomp/flaslight and get a fuckoff big steel frame mounted compensator
>>64696086>For USB FULL-SIZE FLAME
What ammo do you have in your EDC? I've been using Soeer Gold Dot forever but am open to suggestions
Don't need one, buuuuut
>>64694497>grock ESL detection using syntax is b-b-b-bigoted!>don’t be so mean to someone who won’t stay on topic or post guuuns!Tumblrina Pls go scream at X not me. Notice he never once has posted a gun or himself shooting? And he somehow constructs his sentences backwards? Which is what you get if you feed Arab, Chinese etc into Google Translate. If he really just talked weird but weren’t a spammer he could post a little clip of shooting and BTFO the claim but can’t.Either he’s at Andy Kaufman levels of good or yeah, it’s probably an unhinged Arab spammer who overuses Google Translate and obviously has no gun to post.Why are you being so “check your privilege” about dissing someone who derails a gun thread?Talking about guns and gun content even if it’s bad content is always going to be more viable than nonstop off topic broken English spam.
>>64695907Just use flat nose FMJ with 380 and it works fine, plus you don't have to worry about driving it fast enough to expand a hollow point, but not so fast that it underpenetrates.
>>64696229Id rather you just not post at all if its either people making fun of you or you making shitty assertions about .32
>>64696172need to be talked out of it or need encouragement to get it?
>>64696172I have an 84f and it's awesome, my buddy has one of these bb models and he likes it. I edc pocket carry mine.
>>64696172>>64696264My mistake, mines an 85
>>64696229Shut up you deranged lunatic
>>64696258Either or. I blame the starting pistol in Parasite Eve being an 84
>>64696102>retarded monstrosityOh come on. It's not finished, but it's quite nice still. Don't be that guy.>>64696115>in sum, go 45Sadly no. I very much like the stock bull nose standard Collateral-like USP 45 and I'd like to own one, but I couldn't afford shooting it seriously, as everything outside 9 mil and 22 is far too expensive here and sometimes hard to find. Plus, gov allows me a restricted and fixed amount of guns, so minmaxing/rationalization is key, meaning it's 9 mil and some .22 all-in-ones for me (like Tactical models).>>64696144>Get a suppressor. Oh yeah. Currently considering B&T Impulse II or ATEC PMM-6... Because it's the only options available. Good thing is : it's unrestricted.>big mounted CompensatorI wish. But absolutely unobtainium. HK parts and such do not exist here, and they don't ship outside the US.>>64696151>FLAMEChinese humor I guess. It's either this thing, or the one from Wicked Comp I missed until now. Chinese plastic was 20 eurobucks, it's meh but it works. The one from Wicked will cost me 150+, if I can get one.
>>64694531People threw a tantrum last thread because I read the data too hard and it showed 32 outcomes are very dependent on shot placement. It’s very okay provided you can shoot the attacker’s center mass.9 statistically sucks as a big caliber. Which is why I said in DGU stats it only had a marginal advantage over smaller center fire counterparts (which is true) and the advantage was mostly just capacity.This is why I decided to carry both 380/32 and 45/44. Mouse guns with optimal ammo are probably not significantly worse than subcompact 9 and when I want something bigger I use a light weight 44 revolver and dial the loads from standard 45 ACP to +p 45 energy.>>64694814I never said the 1903 was good. I joked about it being a bee sting levels of effective but better than nothing. I love the aesthetics and thin design though.Also I like the archetypes and found their modern versions: PP’s modern is a 44 bulldog classic since you can’t beat lightweight, punishing rounds and moderate recoil. 1903’s “modern” is a PPK, it’s just as narrow, can feed JHP and exotic ammo which lets it bite harder, and it’s also drop safe and can DA/SA which is great since my revolver antics mean I’m used to that style.
>>64696340>read the data to hardYou read the data WRONG no one appreciates back handed apologies like this.
Just ignore him, he'll go away>>64696172If only this was in 9x19, it'd be perfect
>>64696160speer gold dotfederal punchsig v crownhornady xtpremington golden sabrei switch out carry ammo every few weeks and pick whatever im feeling. right now its the federal punch. these are all 9mm 124 gr and ive shot at least a box of each through my g19
>>64695690Neat
>>64696384V-Crowns in ..45 are shit if Lucky Gunner tests are any indicator. 9mm ones are great though
>>64696239Chill out.I follow Browning’s high-low strategy and have bigger than 9 calibers (44/45) to back me up when shit gets real.I’m probably the only anon this thread who reloads 44 special>>64695176It’s not optimal, I love obsolete guns and cute little guns and browning calibers and cowboy calibers. It’s the optimal obsolete loadout for weird outdated calibers.32 is just good enough to be in the EDC game and it has an excellent German engineered platform, which they thought perfectly fine for protecting their staff officers, pilots and generals (actually the bong issued PPK to pilots too) And obviously that’s not enough for everything so I keep a lightweight inexpensive 44 as a truck gun/woods gun and I can dial up its ammo to something that will wreck anything in my area. I also make it my first choice for home defense. I’m getting JHP 44 for that reason. The bigger calibers like 45 and 44 can stop dangerous animals and work great in the wild and I found a cheap and lightweight platform while the little 32 is only relied upon in civilization where it would be in polite to carry a big gun and it’s OK on anything up to human size. It’s OK. Even if I weren’t obsolete maxing I would probably use a high low strategy anyways and supplement dialed down 9 (which honestly in wound track isn’t going to be much different from buffalo bore 32 although it’s way cheaper) with +p45. It would be cheaper and easier to supplyBut less aesthetic.
>Chill out says the guy having multi paragraph crashouts reacting to people talking about his last crashoutYou know sometimes you don't have to explain yourself to people. Learn how to earn respect.
My go to handguns are a 1911, 92fs and px4. What does this say about me?
Anyone here actually carry a 320? Impulse bought one and I don't want to just use it for range shooting
>>64696516>Anyone here actually carry a 320no
>>64695690How do you like the BDM? I passed on one about 10 years ago and I still think about it.
>>64696509PPanon gets points for actually talking about handguns. He just loses those points because he does it in such a faggy way. If he reigned in the faggotry, over time he'd more respected. Until then, just ignore him.>>64696513You're very practical with a possible flair for aesthetics. Good way to be. Just make sure you train.>>64696516Just Israeli carry, I guess
>>64695930Their decades long autistic hyperfixation on terminal ballistics made them the experts, along with them pulling data from people like Martin Fackler. I’m absolutely not an FBI agent, but it’s retarded to ignore the data they’ve compiled. >>64695938It only reliably meets FBI penetration requirements if you don’t account for post barrier performance. FMJ may reliably meet penetration depth standards, but in a world of 9mm JHP loadings that reliably meet the standards, while expanding, and have far superior barrier blind performance, why bother with .380? >>64695941Different anon>>64695962Right. Because modern knowledge of ballistics is somehow negated by a dude being killed by a lucky shot to the jugular. >>64696237Or, ya know, you can just use a caliber that both penetrates properly, and expands.
>>64696516Why on earth would you impulse buy a gun that literally has a worse reputation than a hi-point?
>>64696536I was just gonna mention that, if he could not be a fucking spastic about ammo and ignored the trolling and baiting he can post here. Its that he pulls the whole thread into some bullshit drama or autistic argument over calibers every time is what makes people not like him.
>>64696237You’re telling us it works fine? How many people have you taken down with it?
>>64696544I don't know, I liked how it felt
>>64696360If you’re so offended by ‘32 is bimodal’ then request the data and analyze statistically. It works well if you hit center mass, it does not if you don’t hit center mass.Which btw fits the shot placement is king adage>>64696509I get to sperg out about my choices. It’s hard not to resist Also my current choices are literally the spiritual successors to my 1903/PP“Life is good”>>64696536TFW
9mm Browning is all you need.
>>64696580>32 is bimodalWhat? What modes does it have?
>>64696601Based?
>>64696628In 25 events, 40% (10 out of 25) it did not stop the attacker no matter how many rounds fired
>>64696628Head/chest strikes with very good efficacy (a single hit is 72% likely to stop an attack) and non center mass strikes with a high failure rateThe author said as a general about the various calibers that shot placement doesn’t matter but 32 has the widest gap in outcomes depending on what strike group you fall into
>>64696635And in close to 3/4 of events (72%) where head or chest was struck the first 32 shot stopped the attacker.Which is classic bimodal with placement differentiating sub groups.> In 25 eventsIn 53% of events a 9 mm strike to the head or chest failed to stop the attacker and the defender had to resort to mag dumps.It high capacity let 9 salvage outcomes.
No not fucking again
>>64696651You’re forgetting the most important part of the data you’re citing. Out of the 4 calibers in the screenshot you posted, .32 has the highest percentage of attackers that were not incapacitated. Relying on psychological stops is fucking retarded, and the guy who authored the study even says you should pick a caliber with superior performance. No one says you can’t carry your retarded mousegun. No one says you can’t like it. Stop trying to bend reality to act as if it’s a better defensive round than 9mm, or even fucking .380, a cartridge I also think is downright obsolescent.
>>64696672Shut the fuck up. You are again, intentionally misreading the data. You are illiterate. It cannot be 3/4 of the events ended in “one shot stops” since 4/10 of the events the attacker did not stop no matter how many rounds fired.
>>64696707It also had the highest percentage of attackers stopped by a center mass hit.> highest percentage of attackers that were not incapacitated.And almost exclusively those were non center mass strikes. If center mass is hit it’s a reliable stop.This is not indicative of a psychological stop. It suggests a physiological stop. A limb flesh wound and precordial strike are not the same thing. 32 has a lower capacity so a defender shouldn’t mag dump like 9 where sheer volume can overcome a failed stop (9 has highest shots to stop).They should Mozambique drill the attacker. Low recoil should help.
>>646967439 has the highest sample size in most of these and is the most realistic. Because most professionals also use 9mm it should incorporate a lot of accurate T zone shots. You're not a special fucking snowflake for carrying a caliber most serious people who get into gunfights would consider a last resort backup gun stowed in your boot levels of effective. You're not good at interpreting statistics.
>>64696722> illiterate. It cannot be 3/4 of the events ended in “one shot stops”Correct 3/4 of chest/head strikes ended with one shot stops.If the defender had what the study labeled no accuracy and failed to hit head or chest then failure to stop was likely. Stop crying and read. That’s classic bimodal btw.And probably if you have to use 32, multiple center mass strikes are your winning move. First will probably work and follow-ups stack the odds to a physiological stop.
This guy will refuse to accept he carries old retarded shit for the aesthetics and will try to come up with any argument no matter how bad to justify his choices.
>>64696757It's actually derived from % stopped not from % shot. Good example of why it's good to be cautious trusting statistics, not to mention that the author for that study has effectively 0 credibility or experience when it comes to statistics and also refuses to let anybody examine their data or math.>60% stopped vs 40% not stopped>Of those stopped what percent were stopped with one shot?>72% were stopped with one shot
>>64696753> 9 has the highest sample size in most of these and is the most realistic. Because most professionalsYes it doesIt’s also surprisingly bad preforming. It has a high failure to stop with center mass hits and needs Magdumps to overcome overall failure. It’s closer to 32 than bigger calibers with lots of rerolls due to spare shots being its gimmick.380 and 38 sp which also have good sample sizes outright out perform 9 in those stats.The 9 users might be unprofessional professionals perhaps?> a last resort backup gun stowed in your boot levels of effectiveI’ve said 32 is the minimum effective (provided good shot placement) caliber. Which is perfectly fine for NPE. I could carry a 9 subcompact for such places but provided I aim well (32 has low recoil which aids aiming) the advantage would be marginal and I’d either give up size or da/SA capability. (I also use 380 for my mouse guns and frankly it’s about the same as +p 32 but you don’t seem to be getting bent out of shape about it.)If I need more power, my car is getting jacked or house broken into I’ll break out 44/45. For deep concealment my pocket gun won’t be much worse than a tiny 9, and if I want a defensive gun I’ll use a caliber more impressive than 9.
>>64696797>accuracy (head/chest hits) 78%>72% of accurate hits stop with first hitIt’s derived from accuracy (out of total shots not DGU events) but since they didn’t release the raw you can’t tell what happened to the 28% the first shot didn’t stop.>>64696763I say that all the time That’s why I have larger calibers to back it up
>>64696797> >Of those stopped what percent were stopped with one shot?Not at all since that category is explicitly head or chest shots that stop with one shot.Total stopped has no discriminator for head and chest shots so it’s a totally different category
>>64696651>>64696635So the modes are, it either works or it doesn't? I don't see where you are going with it.
>>64696829And the group variable is shot placement. Most with good placement fall into work. Most with bad placement slot into fail.Which fits the adage that small calibers with adequate penetration are very placement dependent.
380 chads keep on winning
>>64696430t-thanks>>64696534didn't shoot it yet, new gun, it's much thinner and lighter than I thoughtlooking for more mags
>>64696814>>64696827RIP, you're retarded and quasi literate at best. Typical for .32 shills. Seek help.
Why bother replying to Dr. Troon?
>>64696869> % actually incapacitated by one shot (TORSO or HEAD hit) -Cope and sneedIt’s derived from > Accuracy (head and torso hits)>>64696870Because unlike you I’m not an ESL who writes his English backwards and I stay on gun topic.You admit that you are weapon less, and ESl so why are you even in /k/?
>380 and 38 sp which also have good sample sizes outright out perform 9 in those stats.This is how smart people know this data is horseshit. There is ZERO physical reason why a faster moving, more energetic projectile would be less destructive than a slower, less energetic one, ceteris paribus. A statistician would conclude that there are numerous confounding factors at play, likely that .380 and .38 Special shooters are better than 9mm ones (gun nerds versus general populace, or white people versus nons), or that the people being shot by .380 and .38 Special rounds are different from those being shot by 9mm (regular criminals versus apes on angel dust on whom the police were called), or that the result is spurious and doesn't hold up to a t-test. The failure to even hypothesize why a .380 or .38 special is *more* effective than a 9mm is indicative that there is no root cause.By the way, the whole "this result fell out of a statistical analysis done by a layman with a sample size of 40" is the same approach that homeopathic "doctors" use. If you ask them how their snake oil works on a physiological level, they never know. They simply say the result falls out of the data.
>>64696895You were fine for awhile but like always you've reverted to your insufferable default state.Can't you just, you know, not act like a massive repulsive cunt constantly? Do you REALLY get off on literally every single person hating your guts so you feel the need to ensure it stays that way?
>>64696906>The failure to even hypothesize why a .380 or .38 special is *more* effective than a 9mm is indicative that there is no root cause.unskilled 9 users spray and pray while 380 and 38 are more seasoned and take picked shots? That’s a very likely outcome.It doesn’t show 9 has less stopping power. It shows provided shot placement it has little advantage over its smaller counterparts. Or more accurately its smaller center fires have little disadvantage provided proper shot placement The boomer adage was right >>64696917Tfw
>>64696930Just stop.Can't you?CAN'T you stop?
>>64696930>It shows provided shot placement it has little advantage over its smaller counterpartsEven if that was true, check the cost per round you massive retard
>>64696937Fine…
>>64696930Sorry, but you failed the test. What you've just done is acknowledge that the statistical result is due to sampling bias, rather than anything inherent to the calibers themselves.If someone asked you if red cars or gray cars are better at surviving crashes into a wall, a logical person would say that they should be identical. You've now said "ah, but this statistical analysis says that red cars have a higher fatality rate among one car accidents". A smart person would say that's because red cars are driven faster by more risk-seeking people, hence their choice of the loud color. A pseud (like you) would think that the result is causative, "paint color implies physical performance".
>>64696632Almost bought a 1903 like 7 years ago got $350 but couldnt because I was broke as fuck and by the time I got paid and could buy it someone else took it, once of my biggest regrets.
>Love Staccato handguns>Can't get them in a based stainless steel frame
full blown 9mm melty in here
>>64696999i accept ur concession
>>64696948Very true but I go by what I like not min max and it just has to be viableThat’s why I bought a reloading press >>64696951>DGU case series sucks because it’s full of uncontrolled variables Great so do you propose getting a bunch of sheep and running a controlled trial on them? And then get investigated because that’s inhumane?Harrell and bro did something pretty close already with their mock targets but farm animals or deer would let you see if the shot is incapacitating. I don’t really want to systematically slaughter hundreds of animals tho.
>>64695815.380 is adequate, I still carry exclusively 9mm or .38SPL at the least.
>>64696384No HSTs? Anon, are you drunk?
>>64696542>Or, ya know, you can just use a caliber that both penetrates properly, and expands.Do any of those calibers fit into a gun the size of an LCP or BG2 and hold 10+ rounds in the mag?
protip: it literally does not matter if a bullet expands. ammo companies have convinced you it does so that you spend $1/round instead of using ball which has worked for hundreds of years
>>64696672What's the data say about .22s?
>>64697114Prior to semi automatic firearms, bullets were not jacketed so the soft lead expanded upon impact. Hollow points are attempting to recreate the effects of lead ball. Copper jacketed ammo does not deform at all. Any more pseudo intellectual takes?
>>64697120>Copper jacketed ammo does not deform at allIt somewhat does on bone impact, creating the whole hardcast bullet idea for large animals.
>>64697120wrong
>>64697115> actually incapacitated by one shot (torso or head hit) - 60%Its benefit from center mass strikes is lower. Possibly because out of a pistol it won’t always reach vitals? It’s less bimodal>>64697120Do you reckon soft lead cast 44 sp is safe for home defense?
>>64696500I’m not here to comment on your gun choices I’m just here to say black kot =best kot
The .380 vs 9mm discussion is akin to 9mm vs .40s&wWe all know that .45 is superior.
>>64697199GOD’S CALIBER
>>64697199380 is really just like 45 but 3/4 scale
>>64697212Space Jesus* caliberSeriously mormons give me the creeps.
>>64696895Whatever you say, Dr. Troon
>>64697114I always assumed JHP rounds ran hotter than regular FMJ. Where's my JHP equivalent to Winchester Service Grade?
>>64697292Winchester Service Grade is the same as military M1152 which is paired with a 147 gr JHP called M1153 which apparently is loaded to the same pressure but doesn’t really seem faster than any other 147 gr JHP.You can just buy +P or +P+ 9mm JHPs. Federal 115 gr +P+ JHP is like 40-50 cents per round.
>>64697290I accept your concession, you antigun ESl poster.
>>64697198Black or yellow cats are my favorite cats >>64697199YeahHence high-low but with browning calibers
I'm a ESL gun owner, got a problem with that?
>>64697277The LDS Church makes the best case why we need to tax religious institutions. They are sitting on $200 billion in cash, and get to write off everything, similarly when they followers do work for the church (they are required to, btw) they get to make exemptions against that shit and claim it as a donation. After they got into the trouble with the IRS back in the 80's they rebuilt their entire corporate structure to exploit every loophole. Their long-term stated goal is to build Zion as a city, and do it entirely through church controlled labor and logistics so they can build a whole city, not just for free, but get a tax rebate on it and make it a Mormon zone in the same vein that "No Go" zones exist for everyone who isn't "Asian" in Europe.
>>64697054>Great so do you propose getting a bunch of sheep and running a controlled trial on them?No, I propose you stop talking out of your ass to the detriment of the thread. Every couple of months you cite this """study""", bereft of context to the point of absurdity, against the authors' explicit instructions. You literally always draw the wrong the conclusion from it.It's also very ironic that the entire point of the authors' paper is the primacy of shot placement, and you claim to have taken this to heart, and yet you still fucking suck at shooting. It's obvious to everyone in these threads that the real reason you love .32 is because you have a sexual fantasy of being small and effete. You desperately wish that everyone in these threads wants to fuck you, despite the fact that you're an ugly little goblin. Stop avatarposting, faggot.
>>64697340Why do Mormons need a vault with information of not only all Americans but also Latin Americans and Europeans?
I'm glad we concluded 32 acp is all you need.
>>64697445I like .22LR
>>64697334I love me my Grey shitties. Bonus points if they got snoots.
Is the FNX45 a good first .45 gun? Or should I get a regular 1911?
>>646974901911, but get a good one not the turkshit that always gets shilled here. I learned to shoot on one and it was a great first gun.
>>64697490You should be contrarian and get an FN 545
>>64697490https://youtu.be/d1AyMZHpilA
Bought a CZ75 and now need a holster, Czech made if possible.I feel like I am retarded for trying to stick to Czech shit but also funny.Not a lot out there, is it because they are shit?
>>64697577>Not a lot out there, is it because they are shit?
>>64697510Tanfoglio or Springfield Armory?>>64697523>>64697545>striker firedI have my doubts, I like hammer fired ones, and I already own a USP, so I guess it comes down to either a 1911 or a FNX45
>>64697577Honestly, I would just go to a local gun store and see if they know any leather workers that make holsters and commission one. I have Amish guys near me that do it
>>64696509If the "people" in this BBC obsessed shithole respect you, then you've failed at life as a human being.
>>64697598>Tanfoglio or Springfield Armory?Wilson Combat ACP. Probably the best buy out there for a high quality 1911 without spending an absurd amount of money on a custom or competition gun. I wouldn't buy an FN in 2025.
>>64697621I won't buy a Wilson Combat, you faggot. I can't.
>>64696763We dont all carry fucking machine guns around nigger
>>64697630That's right, you must be straight and not a troon. Based anon not wanting a troon gun, good for him
>>64697630Ok. Enjoy your roll of the dice at FN QC and CS problems then, seems you've made up your mind.
Taking a half day to go shoot and rent some handguns with a friend. Currently have a gen3 glock 17 and a CZ PCR that I like quite a bit. Would be interested in something nice for range/comp fun and home duty, preferably hammer, bias to DA/SA, optics cut bonus but not necessary on something like a USP, 4-4.5". Current shortlist to try out is:>CZ P09c, Shadow carry>Beretta 92fs/x/, Px4>HK P30, USP>midrange 2011>staccato HDTaking suggestions otherwise, its a flat fee regardless of how many you try which is fun.
>>64697698If they have classic Sigs, P220, 226, etc, try one of those out. I like them a lot, just holding out for a good deal on one.
>>64697714good call, i've not had the opportunity to handle one yet
>>64697594Why are they so good with guns and shit at accessories?>>64697603I'm a completionist retard and would love an as-is legit holster if possible but if there is no such thing I might as well.Are holsters normally a custom ordeal for cz's or are there reputable non Czech brands that would work?
>>64697740NTA, but unless you're selling the holsters for $$$ or are on a 1:1 type distribution the logistics don't really make sense. Machining and metallurgy =/= softgoodsThese guys showed up for modern ones, i don't know of any group affiliated with CZ that ran holsters in the past. Like other anon said, US kydex or handmade leather are going to be better, but hopefully this scratches your czech itch https://www.balistas.com/dasta
>>64697768That might just do it, I bumped into that brand before.Seeing someone random outside of myself also bump into that brand works for me.I appreciate you entertaining my retardation.
