The most overrated US commander of all time>Fucks up the Philippines defence >Takes a needlessly gruelling island hopping path back to the Phillipines for political reasons>Actually does pretty good at Inchon>Completely ignores the threat of China>Has to be put down once he starts talking about using nukes
I dont think shitting on Dugout Doug is a big revelation here on /k/, anon
>>64699905Did you know he and Ulysses Grant III went to West Point together in 1899. They were blindfolded naked and forced to exercise on a bed with broken glass on it until they passed out.
are you a newfag? be honest.
>the most heavily critiqued general in US history >overrated
>>64699905Meh. Inchon was fucking brilliant.You want an over-rated commander, look no further than Curtis LeMay. Fucking magpie. That guy never saw a shiny object he wouldn't buy.
>>64699905>>Has to be put down once he starts talking about using nukesWanting to burn all of China into a sterile desert of highly radioactive glass was the most enlightened idea he ever had.
>>64700606Is he more heavily critiqued than Lee or Grant?
>>64700674Lee and Grant are often viewed with a lens of admiration. McArthur, by any sane historian, is analyzed as a pompous retard
>>64700674At least from my experience, people in the semi-autistic war history scene see Grant and Lee as flawed generals who made mistakes understandable for their situations. Mention MacArthur and you'll have an influx of people who claim he should have been court-martialed a half-dozen times.
>>64700579Mr. Dec was right about the sodomy drug beds of the military academies
>>64699905The US could have mounted an effective guerrilla campaign in the Phillipines. It's a big country and have dense jungles. The USN could easily mount resupply missions. Running away was cowardly at best.
>>64700755The USN couldn't even run resupply missions to Guadalcanal though.
>>64700654>>64699905Incheon was 90% because of NK's retardation.
>>64699905Never mind his field performance, I hate him because he was a fucking dick.
>>64700687Grant was admired by his contemporaries immediately after the war, but most people nowadays view him as a drunk who effectively lucked his way into being around when the war ended. The only people that "admire" him don't even like him, they just want to dunk on Confederates.
>>64699905The guy should have been hanged by the public for abandoning his men.But he got cozy with the press, and somehow became the hotblooded hero who wanted to fight, but couldn't because of reluctant politicians.
>>64700866>most people nowadays view him as a drunk who effectively lucked his way into being around when the war ended*citation needed
>>64700904Are you telling me he was not a drunk, nor that he was the last in a long line of generals that Lincoln dismissed?I'm not saying he's worthless. I'm calling him a lucky drunk. Which is true.
>>64700907What does his alcoholism have to do with his military achievements? Who told you that Lincoln ever dismissed Grant?
>>64700907>luckyHe understood bringing forces to bear, which is something all his predecessors failed to comprehend. Especially history's greatest faggot, McClellan
>>64700687He was the American Montgomery
>>64700912He gets criticized for what people say is using meat wave assaults to essentially overwhelm the Southern Army's defenses. He was nicknamed the Butcher for conducting such a meat grinder style campaign. Or at least that is what I read online. But it could be just Southern butthurt after essentially surrendering to the guy.
really can't believe that anyone would think Lincoln dismissed his most trusted commander, time to go back to the books
>>64700926Grant's battles did not have a higher rate of casualties than normal, the "meat wave" shit is lose cause mutterings
>>64699905Should be McArthur and Halsey in a race to the bottom…. Halsey never did manage to get revenge on the weather…
>>64700926Grant was elegant when it made sense strategically, just look at his campaign in the west. The eastern front was too established and too dug in on both sides, hence why Lee tried to hook Washington well before Grant took over.
>>64700907That he was the last is telling. If he wasn't worthwhile, wouldn't Lincoln have dismissed him too? Grant also served later on by preventing two of America's most repulsive neckbeards from sitting in the White House.
>>64700866"Grant was the most successful Union General of the Civil War, defeating six Confederate armies and capturing three." Bonekemper, Edward H-2014Yeah, that was luck
>>64700938This
>>64700866the funny thing is grant wasn't even politically anti-south, as a president he tried to be nonpartisan but his constituency didn't really let him. then he pretty killed the rest of his time stealing land from native americans
>>64700755>how to give Yamato-classes casual practice at shore bombardment
>>64700926The only people who criticize Grant are so of my fellow southerners who act like children to this day about the Civil War.
>>64701066Yamato class wasn't ready until Midway. And it was only one Yamato Battleship. The second one took until very late 1942.
>>64701066With what fuel? They would send the Kongous instead.
motherfucker said "kongou"
>>64700938Cold Harbor was pretty bad.
>>64701278is there a great general who doesn't have a bad battle in his history?
>>64700755>The US could have mounted an effective guerrilla campaign in the Phillipines.Guerrilla campaign would be dumb. The plan was always to fill up Bataan with supplies and hold out for a year or more for a counterattack. That would have worked hadn't Dugout Doug thought he was a genius and sent all the supplies to the forward bases all for having to retreat to Bataan without supplies.
>>64700912>Especially history's greatest faggot, McClellanMcClellan did nothing wrong. He was given the impossible task of trying to create an entire army while Lincoln was breathing down his neck telling him to ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! ATTACK! So he finally attacked, and his army that wasn't an army failed spectacularly.
>>64700907You decide facts based on their vibe to you, don't you?Make shit up based around a false notion, then tell everyone that's the entire truth. Fuck off
>>64700929Is there a site even more retarded than reddit? I think we're getting some of whatever the fuck kind of guys those are. Who am I kidding, they're probably in Bombay
>another day>another thread about a US commander who akshually fucking sucks does china have any commanders to talk about?
It was unfortunate for MacArthur that the US military's grand plan for an offensive against Japan, which had seen the Pacific Fleet cross the ocean and take up residence in Manila Bay, was lost.
>>64699905Yeah
>>64702108The very existence of Matthew Ridgeway triggers and obliterates the Chink. His delusions of superiority only survive in the face of complete egoistical retards like Douglas MacArthur.
>>64700654MacA copied Inchon from the multiple times Japan landed troops behind his lines.
>>64701973Can you detail this "army that wasn't an army", specifically how this was made apparent
>>64703219First Battle of Bull Run.
>>64703459And a year later in mid 1862 this army still wasn't an army?
>>64701973Teddy Roosevelt would’ve taken Richmond with 1200 men before summers end.
>>64703021What compels someone to be this autistic
>>64703572The chinkshill must be humiliated on every front
>>64703572brother if you think 62 posts is autistic you haven't even scratched the surface
You faggot chinks and commies forgot to post the most overrated general in history.
>>64703654looks like your image got mixed up bro, let me help you out
>>64703219The US army before the war was like 20,000 soldiers and it ballooned in size when the war began. Unlike European armies that used mandatory mass conscription that every man went into for a year or two, the US didn't. Almost no one knew how to drill, fight or shoot and add on the fact that now the army needs to be supplied for millions of soldiers. It was a clusterfuck. Winfield Scott's Anaconda plan was to just starve them out. Unlike the Confederates, who needed a quick end to the war, the Union did not. They had the time and resources on their sides.
>>64703701Northern politics could not abide a long war without visible progress. The Western theatre proved that advances were possible without a perfectly trained army, and the confederate troops weren't significantly better trained. It's inexcusable that a major Eastern theatre offensive wasn't launched until a year into the war. There's no reason an advance into Northern Virginia wasn't possible or desirable in late 1861.
>>64699905>>Takes a needlessly gruelling island hopping path back to the Phillipines for political reasonswhat was the other option and political reasons>ignores chinadidn't he get in trouble for demanding we nuke vietnam later? wasn't china a do nothing outside of stillwell?
>>64703777Taiwan would likely have been faster and less costlyMacArthur's "I shall return" philippines fixation and humiliation wasn't exactly disastrous, but it was a sub-optimal military choice fuelled by personal politics
>>64700755>The USN could easily mount resupply missions.>Across the entire Pacific >After all the Battleships had been destroyed>While the Kido Butai was still intact Okay
>>64703633>returning only first 5000when even the archive is throwing shade at your degeneracy
>>64699905>the Phillipines for political reasons
>>64703818???
>>64703836He was after that cunny
>>64703746>Northern politics could not abide a long war without visible progress.That's a political problem. Losing a war because you squandered your resources is dumb, which then becomes a bigger political problem.Controversial opinion, but I think Lincoln was a shitty president.>and the confederate troops weren't significantly better trained.They were more motivated though and had somewhat better leaders.
>>64703906Launching offensives without waiting an entire year to prepare is not squandering resources
>>64700866>but most people nowadays view him as a drunk who effectively lucked his way into being around when the war ended.>The only people that "admire" him don't even like him, they just want to dunk on Confederates.t. Cletus Lee Beauregard IV
>>64700907>Grant>dismissedYou stupid illiterate hillbilly retard
>>64704031>>64700911Why are you claiming things I didn't say? Lincoln DID dismiss a bunch of generals. Is this one of those "deliberately pretend to misunderstand what you said" things?
>>64700926>meat wavesA common misconception. He usually tried less-costly alternatives before reluctantly settling on bloody assaults.
>>64704029>either you love Grant, consider him the best, and dismiss all his faults; or you're a Confederatehttps://www.cypresscreekhospital.com/blog/borderline-personality-disorder-what-is-splitting/
>>64704037The sentence "the last in a long line of generals that Lincoln dismissed" is directly stating he was the last general Lincoln dismissed, my ESL friend
>>64704037>nor that he was the last in a long line of generals that Lincoln dismissed?>he was the last>in a long line of generals that Lincoln dismissed>he>long line>Lincoln dismissedDid you mean to say something else, but you've had too much three-Xs-drawn-on-the-jug corn shine to type coherently?
>>64704063>he was the last in a long line of generalsThis statement is true.>long line of generals that Lincoln dismissedThis statement is true.Again, you're just pretending to misunderstand things.
>>64704043Son you're projecting your own (mistaken) emotions onto a rational discussion, I implore you to not spread Southern Lost Cause talking points like meatwaves, Grant was a drunk, the war wasn't explicitly about slavery, etc. for the sake of not looking like a gullible hick.
>>64704075"The Lost Cause" narrative has nothing to do with Grant's personal flaws. This thread is about overrated generals, I am saying Grant was overrated and only gained recognition because he was a general at the end of the war rather than the beginning. And that he was a drunk, which is entirely true. Many suffered from alcoholism at the time, it wasn't uncommon.Are you denying that the Union had a lot of trouble with their generals early on? That McClellan, et al weren't dismissed? What is even being defended here exactly? Grant's honor, or your own politics?And to be perfectly clear, the South lost the moral high ground the moment it decided to fire on federal property rather than wait the situation out.
>>64704070How can he be part of a line of generals Lincoln dismissed if he wasn't dismissed, retard-kun?
>>64704070E S LSL>including Grant (not dismissed) in a category you qualified as, and I quote, "long line of generals that Lincoln dismissed". >pretending to misunderstandNo, English is my native language and I read exactly what you said. Perfectly. (You) are the one claiming that those words meant something other than what they actually factually do.But if you wanna keep digging, I'll be here in the morning to ridicule you some more. Just admit you fucked up and take the L, loser.
>>64704090He was not a drunk, by any standard of the time. That was a propaganda perpetrated by the most prominent authors of the Lost Cause myth.
>>64704090can you explain what alcoholism has to do with the discussion?
>>64704093>>64704094Do you know how fucking retarded you both are? The statement I originally made doesn't even make sense in the context you're trying to put it in. I'm saying Grant is known as a great general for being around at the end of the way, how does that make any sense if I was at any moment saying he was dismissed? These are opposite statements.>>64704097He WAS drunk by the standard of the time. Alcoholism was a major social issue.>>64704099>how does alcoholism affect decision makingGee I wonder.
>>64704104Be honest anon, when did you learn English? There's no shame in being a non-native, it's just that only a non-native would ever think of interpreting it that way
>>64704104>The statement I originally made doesn't even make senseyes that's what we're getting at
>Do you know how fucking retarded you both are?Not retarded enough to fuck up a sentence and then claim, against all the laws of grammer, prose, and fuck it, I'll say it: set theory, that what you wrote meant something entirely different that . That we would just let it slide and pretend you did not say what we can plainly see that you wrote.>ywn as retarded as this Anon
>>64704110Interpret it in what way?>he was the last in a long line of generalsThis statement is true.>long line of generals that Lincoln dismissedThis statement is true.You focus on the last sentence, and try to make it the main argument of the statement; when in reality "last in a long line of generals" is the main argument. It's just pic related.It's okay if you don't think Grant was an overrated general. I simply think that he was, which doesn't even mean he was "bad". Just "he was around during the last phase of the war and built a presidential campaign off of it".My ancestor fought in the Civil War, from Wisconsin. Did your ancestor fight there, or are you one of those "came here in the 20th century" folk?
>>64704129>meant something entirely different.*** see? That's how you own up to a fuckup!You can ask your mom for some pointers
>>64704131I don't have the patience to keep explaining, so I'll let GPT do it for me, enjoy (you have reading comprehension below the level of AI)----It means this general was not an isolated failure, but one of many whom Abraham Lincoln removed from command over time.More precisely:“the last” the most recent case, at the end of the sequence“in a long line” there had been numerous others before him“of generals that Lincoln dismissed” commanders Lincoln lost patience with and formally removed
>>64704005>Launching offensives without waiting an entire year to prepare is not squandering resourcesNot if you win.
>>64704456Yes thankfully McClellan was dismissed or else victory might have been lost following his passive policy
got mogged by the japanese emperor too lol
>>64699905He succeeded at Inchon because the Norks were certain that nobody could be dumb enough bet all their chips on such a risky place to land. Their Russian advisors tried to tell them that he *was* that dumb, but they wouldn't listen, and left Inchon without sufficient defenses.On the other hand, there are indications hidden throughout his HQ's files that *after* goofing up the Philippines, *after* making lots of noise demanding a fresh army so he could throw it away against the IJA, he settled down and quietly struck some sort of Faustian bargain with key members of his staff, whereupon he let them do whatever they felt was necessary, while he took all the credit for it (and hid the details of what they were doing from the Pentagon, so nobody would be the wiser). There are scattered reports filed away that survived the war and are occasionally found by researchers suggesting that his team was ahead of almost everybody on the planet in terms of sophisticated planning for things like EW and operational-level maneuver.So, yeah, he's a very mixed bag. Flashes of brilliance (mostly in finding good subordinates and giving them free reign), together with absolute incompetence and boundless arrogance.
When japanese people kneel, they pray to Douglas MacArthur for his benevolence, he became their new god.
>>64699905Eisenhower and Patton despised that bitch faced fuckhead. That hatred started long before WW2 because of the disaster of the Bonus Army Massacre. It McFaggot who attacked, used gas AGAINST ORDERS and set fire to the camp like a deranged animal.
>>64704788Imagine if Patton and McArthur had been on the same front. The mutual egotistical seething would've been absolutely apocalyptic.
>>64704788>McFaggot who attacked, used gas AGAINST ORDERS and set fire to the camp like a deranged animal.Eleanor Roosevelt dealt with the second Bonus Army by going to the camp and drinking coffee with them.
