Uhhh how the fuck do you even defend this? What the actual strat? Do you have to rely on an iron dome like system?
>>64701441>Diaoyu>Ryukyu (Occupied)Is this map straight from a PLAN presser?
>>64701441>where you landing, bug man?
>>64701441The N word Everybody knows it, nobody wants to say it
>>64701441How good are Chinese ships versus state of the art anti-ship missiles plus cruise missile and drone spam? The Taiwanese would have learned a lot of lessons from the Ukrainians on how to handle ships. Expect a lot of Chinamen suddenly needing swimming lessons.
>>64701454>The Taiwanese would have learned a lot of lessons from the Ukrainians on how to handle ships.Hope they're not competently crewed?
>>64701441You don't
>>64701441very easily that strait is 180 km wide often has bad weather and people drown, plus the middle of taiwan is riddled with moutais and bunkers and emplacemnets with 180,000 troops and a fuck ton of anti ship missiles and AAHow come Germany never invaded the UK?And back then they did not even have anti ship missiles
>>64701456Their standard anti-ship missile has a range of 160km, and the Taiwan straight is about 180km, so almost everything is within range. Ships are very good, but you don't want your ships sitting within anti-ship missile range unless you have to, which is what a blockaide of Taiwan would require them to do. They would have to rely upon their cruisers to provide air defense, and would you entirely trust them to be perfect all the time? I don't think we should under-estimate the Chinese, but at the same time, everything about an invasion or blockaide is incredibly risky and prone to failure.
>>64701441I hate war tourists so fucking much.
>>64701449Directly onto that cliff with modern day "Corvus": https://youtu.be/gmDcUsBzAZ4?
>>64701464FEED ME CHINAMEN.
>>64701456soviet-based AD doesn't work against anything smaller than a fighter jet
>>64701464the funniest part about those 3 landing barges is how vulnerable they are>>64701476good thing the target is plenty big and completely stationary then
>>64701464what if there's a mortar team somewhere on that cliff?
>>64701454The bulk of the chinese navy is literally comprised of fishing boats and other civilian vessels that are designated to be requisitioned for logistics during wartime. Basically any munition produced after the year 1900 will be effective.
>>64701441>chinkshill was so bootyblasted he fled from REDDITror. rmao even
>>64701466>>64701480>>64701482>*Intercepts your missiles via thousands of containerships converted to Q-ships with 60+ VLS cells + CIWS and UCAVs launched from modern day CAM ships*Nothing personal froggies
>>64701486has chink AD ever managed to intercept a flying baloon, let alone an actual missile? because refer to >>64701476 in regards to yellow AA technology.
Hypothetically, do Australian, Japanese, Singaporean, American subs going to be able to sink the PLAN? I feel like the moment a torpedo is launched youd get bombed to bits by depth charges. Not to mention nonstop active sonar. American carriers are going to be fighting alone arent they?
>>64701441Chink incompetence and hubris will do half the work.
>>64701493Chinks have deliberately avoided even the lowest level combat engagements, to avoid any embarrassments that would shatter their perfect 0 for 0 record of the last 50 years. This Thailand vs Cambodia mini-war is actually the first time we've seen chink equipment in action, and the results have been... sub-optimal. Both tanks and MLRS spontaneously detonating, on both sides, lol
>>64701494It boggles my mind that chinks will make a post like this and expect people not to laugh at them
Mark 48 one way attack drone
>>64701494Yes chiner is very implessive anti-submarine guangdong, nothing will get through. Don't even consider mentioning that to do ASW you need to have capable submarine force yourself, because you don't, just bomb the ocean until god of the sea submits to you and washes enemy vessels ashore with the tide.
>>64701504>>64701512Im not saying that the 7th fleet isn't able to sink every ship on their own dumbass. Im asking how much is it going to cost and if the UN is going to help like they did when we helped out Kuwait. Fucking retard. Not everyone is a chink shill.
>>64701454in specs, their ddgs are generally equivalent to burkes/ticos when it comes to local and area defense. they'll suffer many losses, but so will taiwan. taiwan has a number of decent warships: 4 kidds, 8 perrys and 6 la fayettes.
>>64701517Zhuang dang ding bong bing.
>>64701521I feel like im on /pol/. Do you need me to post my passport?
>>64701517>English is so bad his post is barely readable>claims he is not a chinkHerro, John Gweilo of Los Angeles Prefecture. I agreeing that china navy is numbah wan, and indeed all of the many US submarines will get "blown to bits" by chinese kablooies!!!>>64701524You need to post hand + gun + wall outlet + timestamp, chinkie
>>64701530>You need to post hand + gun + wall outlet + timestamp, chinkieFuck aight you got me. Taiwan is ours by the way. No one is going to deny it from us. Chinese unification shall not be denied.
>>64701441>nuke Shanghai>nuke Shenzen>nuke Beijing>1 billion die from self inflicted hunger games
1 billion can march on china and 1 billion will be dead./k/ needs flags or these threads need to be pruned.
>>64701457Nice picture of guangdong
>>64701555And the famous 101 tower from Guandong
>>64701441Americans are not goinf to defend anything, they'll just bomb all the Fabs abd call it quit.
>>64701458>How come Germany never invaded the UK?UK had the bigger fleet?
>>64701555Thats Fujian.
>>64701518>8 perrysactually 10plus 7 corvettes and multiple patrol and mine warfare vessels.
>>64701559This. So much fucking this.
>>64701559>muh fabsThe fabs are a red herring. what does matter is letting China take control of the first island chain and thus break out to the wider Pacific. That's just not going to be allowed.
>>64701565I think China damming our rivers are far more important than them getting a blue water fleet.
>>64701454They're strapping VLS cells and EMALS catapults onto container ships for makeshift "frigate/destroyers" and drone aircraft carriers
>>64701565the us isn't going to risk open warfare with china over taiwan. it'll be akin to ukraine, just with no real way to get taiwan supplies once it kicks off.
D-Day was the most complicated thing ever pulled off, and they almost didn't pull it off. It's the Americans-Brits-Canadians, all at their peak of logistical organizations. Contested landings at the best of times are extremely difficult if not impossible. The Chinese have not fought a series war ever (their state has only existed since 1947 and only fought skirmishes) and certainly have never done anything significant with their navy. Do you think they could pull off their own D-Day on the first try? Using those rinky dink fragile as hell landers? You don't think that a hellfire of missiles will not rain down upon them shattering them to bits? For spots to land, there's only a few beaches and ports, and those are bottlenecks that are easy to defend and mine up. At least a blockaid of Taiwan is something they could feasibly do.
>>64701571China will face a 2 front war retard. It cant win.
>>64701569>makeshift "frigate/destroyers>without any frigate/destroyer capabilityIf only there was a term for a ship that just carries VLS tubes without any capacity to independently use them...Not that chiner would be implessive for using it if they ever actually made one outside of some one-off propaganda demonstration much like russia does.
>>64701571You can do the "you wouldn't dare risk a war over Taiwan" the other way around. The plans to defend Taiwan would have the Americans surround the island and block-aid mainland China. No missiles fired, and no one is hurt. Would China be so foolish and insane to charge the American and allied navies? If they do, it's on them.The follow up is to park ships along China's trade routes and shut them down. Then sanction China internationally. They import all their foodstuffs and fuel plus all the materials to make their own. Are they going to risk total collapse and famine over Taiwan?
>>64701573no. the us isn't going to risk getting nuked over taiwan, just like with ukraine. taiwan will have to make do with what they have when it starts. (which is why they need to be armed now.
>>64701571i eagerly await the day china finally goes along with this thinking and decides to find out.
>>64701579Youre not getting Taiwan. Youre going to lose tibet.
>>64701576Except that It literally carriers also AESA radar array, CIWS and also communications antennas
>>64701579>>64701580Correct. You need to assume dictatorships are as stupid as they seem, since they will take any weakness as a sign they should attack. You treat them like retarded animals who need to be forced into not suicidal destroying their own societies through deterrence. Which is why Taiwan should be armed now and they should be buying all the weapons possible.
>>64701571>the us isn't going to risk open warfare with [us] because [mumble mumble]So, you're basing this "strategy" on the implicit assumption, the vague hope, the irrational belief... That the Americans... are *not* gonna go to war?Well, aside from laughing, all I can say is: let me grab my phone to record it, and go get 'm, tiger! :^)
>>64701586waow implessive slapping a tiny antenna on top totally makes it a capable destroyer at a fraction of the cost. masterful china ingenuity.
>>64701586Youre going to get your entire fleet sunk and youre going to get your entire land army destroyed fighting over tibet. Its over for you.
>>64701569Oh, that's cool. Haven't they seen what a quicksink can do to a container ship? I won't bother linking it but the PLAN will be fish food.
>>64701579>risk getting nukedJesus christ lmao.China launches a nuke we'll saturate them. There won't be a china to go home to.
>>64701579China will be fighting 4 nuclear powers at once. They dont stand a chance.
>>64701610Was the containership armed with CIWS, RAM, AESA Radars and quad packed SAMs?
>>64701623nah but it's launched from a stealth aircraft that will land a 2,000 pound bomb on the deck and blow all of that to different parts of Asia.
>>64701623No ship was armed with as many buzzwords with zero functional capability than chiner has been able to cobble together for their propaganda mockup, no.
>>64701569The USA thought about doing this once but decided a ship where the missiles cost more than the ship launching them was a retarded idea. This is what we call a HVT, and will get hit early and hard by B2 Spirits if we see them in the ocean. In case you're wondering, these have zero survivability and the missiles we're going to use to sink them cost about 1/4 of a million dollars each.
>>64701626>CIWS, RAM, AESA Radars>Just BuzzwordsI hope they put you in charge of next ships of Alrleigh Burke Flight 3 and the BBG (X). It's going to be so funny
India is actually more powerful than China.
>>64701628there are no anti-ship munitions certified for spirits
>>64701450Why are americans like this?
>>64701633They're buzzwords when you've just slapped a tiny dogshit radar dish and some blind wobbly autocannons on top of containers sitting on a merchant barge. What's funny is you insistently peddling this garbo mockup as an actual surface combatant despite being mocked repeatedly for it.A single Patriot battery from the 1990s is more survivable and capable than this shit.
>>64701636lol
I think its really time for us all to band together to destroy China, Iran and Pakistan. The world cannot live with them.
>>64701643quicksink isn't certified and retarded when other platforms have lrams
>>64701646https://news.usni.org/2025/09/10/b-2-stealth-bomber-sinks-target-in-anti-ship-weapon-testWhy are you like this, chinky?
Everyone is assuming that China can mad-dash to Taiwan, and then USA and allies have to sit around and decide if they are gonna react or if they should attack the Chinese navy. It's the other way around. It takes ages to set up an invasion and you can't hide that now, so the Americans will be fully aware of what is happening and can surround Taiwan beforehand. Then ask the Chinese:1. Are you willing to take the first shot?2. If they try to invade, America can shut down their shipping lanes and block-aid their coast. 3. And hit them with sanctions. This would literally destroy the Chinese economy in weeks. Notice how South Korea and Japan make a perfect arc of islands all the way to Taiwan, and how Philippines and Indonesia complete the rest of the arc? Do you notice those are all American allies? Do you notice that Chinese shipping comes through some very tiny choke points that would be trivially easy to park some ships and end shipments to China?
>>64701648look up what a "test" is, esl
>>64701636every missile is an anti-ship munition if you try hard enough and anything explosive is definitely capable of sinking an unprotected civilian vessel.
>>64701649China is completely alone in this. India and Russia will sweep in from South and North. Japan and America will sink their navy. The only concern is them and Pakistan nuking everyone. We need to nuke them first.
>>64701651>resort to retarded posting I accept your concession, low iq dog
>>64701654Paki shill. Your days are numbered
>>64701651>chiner publishes a blurry photo of some flying prototype>it's over they've achieved technological dominance with their 69th gen fighter ready>US uses a modified JDAM to sink a ship live>uhh it's totally impossible to do in wartime, nothing ever happensinb4 more angry false flagging posts imitating indians
>>64701660There are no indians where.
>>64701654>let's forward deploy bombers within china's missile range>so we can drop experimental non-certified glide bombs on hvts instead of using actual weapons/platforms designed for this like subs or lrasm
>>64701653No one even wants to risk a nuclear war, and everyone is just kicking the can down the road hoping the CCP can evolve (Xi killed that chance), or collapse before they start a serious war. I do think this might play out where there is good intelligence that China is serious about an invasion during one of their windows, and USA responds seriously sending warships. The only good thing about the CCP is they're afraid of disruptions so this might spook them.Then have a peace summit, where Chinese get an off-ramp and can save face without a conflict, everyone smiles, signs documents, goes back to status quo. China shelves their planned invasion of Taiwan for another decade.
>>64701663>let's forward deploy bombers within china's missile rangeit's not like china could target B-2s even a 1/10th of that distance doe
>>64701486Asperchink is back
>>64701494>the moment a torpedoModern subs do it with cruise missiles
>>64701610>*shoots your JDAM out of air*
>>64701668it's not hard hitting planes sitting on a base
>*glide mine your designated landing beach*
>>64701441A fuckton of missiles and drones. Taiwanese are already addicted to phones so forcing everyone to get drone training shouldn't be difficult. But they'll also have to survive many weeks with no electricity or internet while the rest of the world debates and wags their finger at China. That will be the real test.
>>64701664China wont risk a single shot fired. They are pussies. They know they cannot fight a war on 2 fronts. They are barely holding on to the himalayas and thats with paki help. The moment things get serious, they will be defeated immediately.
>>64701576Unlike the Russians or even the US now, the chinks actually have the manufacturing capacity to build the stuff they "conceptialize"
>>64701559>>64701564>>64701565Destroying the fabs would be an idiotic move. Guess who would instantly become the second largest chipmaker in the world with tech only a generation behind Samsung's? China's SMIC.
>>64701679Cobbled together shipping container ships do not impress me. Those are not real cruisers.
>>64701679>he posts, parading the same exact mockup againi'm still waiting for chiner to reach half of USN's tonnage with all their vaunted shipbuilding yet their shills still want to post trash like this instead
>>64701679it was just a photo op for show. no sea trials.the same ship literally has a new photo gig now.
>>64701683The US literally cannot even build a single frigate on Its own lmao!
>>64701572>For spots to land, there's only a few beaches and ports,Look at Google Earth.It's 80% of the west coast and 20% of the east coast. Mind you east coast is easily insolated from bringing reinforcements in.Beaches themselves are horrendously non fortified and google street view on them is uter embarrassment. You may think Taiwan would do better with fortifications for 80 year of Chinese threat...but no Taiwanese are ignorant and do nothing.
>>64701486Pathetic
>>64701498They prefer to "win without fighting" which is worth keeping in mind.
>>64701675getting into a direct shootout with US by attempting to strike their airbases? good luck lmao
>>64701689so when is the "winning" part of that supposed to start?
>>64701660>>uhh it's totally impossible to do in wartime,>bombing ships with air defenses
>>64701638Anon is right though. The ultimate defense is the abilitity to nuke your opponents' cities. Best Korea is so confident in their safety now, they're able to send an expeditionary force to save Putin.
>>64701687i agree, it's prime time to teach them a lesson about who the real government of china is
>>64701691south korea literally won't allow the u.s. to use u.s. airbases to defend taiwan because south korea knows that this would give china the right to strike them
>>64701686>on Its own lmao!It's called allies, which China does not have. USA and Korea finalized a 150 billion ship building deal this year. https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-south-korea-release-details-deal-including-korean-investment-shipbuilding-2025-11-14/
>>64701695>temu tabletop radar>against B-2>air defenses
>>64701687They've been slacking off in their preperatations for the last few decades. But prior to that, the thought of the PLA crossing the Taiwan Strait was a joke.
>>64701591>You treat them like retarded animals who need to be forced into not suicidal destroying their own societies through deterrence.You need to treat them like you're dealing with a growling dog. You hold out a hand and say "nice doggy" while reaching for a stick with your other hand.
>>64701696norks could always obliterate seoul. they never needed nukes for that.
>>64701703yep
>>64701702>what is JDAMAlso sending B-2 into Chinese air space LMAO
>>64701700>Needing a vassal's money and expertise to build the even the simplest warship class and basic container shipsI don't think that's a flex you think It is:https://youtu.be/tK_qGDdghHk?
>>64701702spirits do avoid flying through the south china sea to reach guam since a decade now and take a detour through australia instead
>>64701699yep, it's unfortunate that B-2s famously have only 300 mile range so they'd have to be armed in Korea to bomb chinese ships
>>64701713ships famously are static targets and don't need a fast kill chain to sink them
>>64701711Autarky is retarded and inefficient, Chang.
>>64701710>Chinese air spacePelosi air space*since they couldn't manage to find a passenger airliner in there, let alone a B-2
>>64701711
>>64701710>>64701717Reminder that just 3 years ago the chinks couldn't find the flying barn door of a 737 with dozens of their shiny new J-16D and Type 55s at full blast because of a pair of Growlers using 70 year old vacuum tube jamming pods
>>64701712how would a spirit end up flying over china sea unless it's been flying over russia or china prior to that?
>>64701716These are often just autistic young white males who adopt some kind of contrarian persona to get into stupid online fights with.>>64701711>VassalIt's called an ally. If they were mere vassals, USA would dictate what Korea should do. Instead, there was a lengthy back and forth negotiation period and both came to a mutual agreement on what to do.
>>64701715a JDAM-ER takes only a few minutes to go down from 40k feet to sea level, unless chinese merchant ships can quantum leap elsewhere the killchain will be quite relaxed and easy
>>64701715Can a chink merchant ship drift like a flattop?
>>64701725*Merchant ships with air defenses*
>>64701725>using standard and plentiful ground attack weapons on sea targetswar crime
>>64701722>white9/10 times they are some flavor of brown, the few whites stand out because several genuinely mentally ill ones obsessively latched onto /k/ and will spend years shilling for global south like it's their fulltime job just to get back at the board
>>64701730>>64701702posted it again award
>>64701725spirits don't have targeting pods and your target is moving. that jdam is going to miss.not that having spirits on roaming duty isn't retarded to begin with.
>>64701728See: >>64701730
>>64701730Have you seen the pK of last line of defense SHORAD against multi vector threats? Stop acting like a temu CWIS and RAM is equivalent to the IADS that includes proper illumination and fire control radars and targeting suites on a warship.
>>64701735>spirits don't have targeting podswhy would a stealth bomber with built-in targeting need targeting pods?>and your target is movingare you pretending to have forgotten about quicksink or did you guys just change shifts?
>>64701735uh huh
>>64701739couldn't even spam it again award
Why are we talking about Spirits anyway? 2 Raiders are already flying and the AF is going to buy 140 of them.>picrel has more 3rd generation stealth bombers than the entire world combined >oh wait no one even has a first generation stealth bomber
>>64701747b21 coming online is the exact reason why b2 is doing total chink shipping dead
>>64701744you should know that this development failed. even f-35c never got storm breakers. it's all super hornets.
>>64701734>>64701739>>64701741Your large container ships tend to have numerous bays (sections lengthwise, often 17-24+), multiple rows (across the width, e.g., 4-23+), and many tiers (stacked vertically, up to 8+). But since only the top tier could carry these containersized missile containers, limits them to just the top bays and rows. So 17x4 or 24x23, which equals between 68 to 552 armed containers. If quad packed with SAM missiles would equal to 272 to 2208 air defens emissiles depending on the size of the container ship.So Missile production will be the deciding factor of the outcome of the war in the Pacific.
>>64701753i hope you do get paid to talk to yourself about this nonsense, wumao.
>>64701747indopacom can't even get all the tlams it needs.why would stratcom ever give indopacom their strategic assets for tactical missions?
>>64701753>Doesn't know how the engagement loop works awardPlease tell me how you will cue SARH missiles like the HQ-9 and HQ-10 without a proper suite
>>64701757Tell that to the US military that their Typhon system is retarded then: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typhon_missile_system
>>64701759inb4 he just reposts the same exact shit straight from chatgpt again in response
>>64701705The nukes aren't for the plastic Koreans, it's to protect the norks from American-led regime change.
>>64701760This response doesn't even make any fucking sense, get a different script you wumaoAlso we're already moving on to CAML-H
>>64701760>butwhatabout *unrelated US project*wumaos aren't sending their best today
>>64701759That's literally why they have containersized AESA and targetting radars for those containerships: https://www.twz.com/sea/chinese-cargo-ship-packed-full-of-modular-missile-launchers-emerges
>>64701441>we will randomly occupy land of a country we hope to god stays uninvolved, because it would make blockading or invading taiwan even more impossiblelol, chinks are fucking hilarious.
>>64701765how would they power all this? turn on aesa and you can't launch any vls anymore.
>>64701763>>64701764>US installs missiles onto ISO containers:O>China installs missiles onto ISO containers>:(
>>64701767What do you think is inside the ISO containers where that AESA radar is mounted onto?
>>64701769>talks about the armed merchant barge>shifts to containers when pressuredterrible job, wumao, no bat soup for you today for sure
>>64701569China wants to have more hulls then the US has AShM? Good strategy if you don't care about lives
>>64701769Land based distributed operations containers are the same thing as stuffing two dozen of them on a giant target of a merchant ship apparently
>>64701765>spammed it again award, now with more buzzwords>>64701702
>>64701765>>64701775AESA isn't some magic word that makes things suddenly function. Tell me how they will cue it, with an internal suite, offloaded via datalink?
>>64701781The US Navy should take your advice and remove all their AESA radars from their destroyers and aircraft carriers, and NORAD should get rid of them too since they're just buzzwords :)
>>64701784Both
>>64701786Jesus fucking christ you can only latch onto one thing while not even understanding it
>>64701792It's you genious who claimed that AESA radars are just buzzwords, so the US military should take your idea and get rid of them
>>64701689wrong.china knows japan will never give up their islands without a fight.
>>64701441You don't. Formosa is indefensible and unrecoverable once occupied by the Red Chinese. The only option is attrition elsewhere to force a withdrawal.Spoiler: That won't work either.
>>64701769>US uses containers on actual functioning warships to augment firepower>chinkshill thinks he can draw false comparison to this with his retarded Q-ships that are just going to serve as an excuse to sink every single chinkbound cargoship.
>>64701804taiwan is a natural chokepoint that china will not overcome. building a giant navy that's still restricted to your coast is futile.
>>64701786>AESA AESA AESA AESAchinkshills really love using that word lmao, they think it makes them sound smart.
>>64701613china has vastly expanded their nuclear capabilities, and the us will be devastated in a nuclear war with them. us joining the fight isn't go to happen, and neither will anyone else.what needs to be realistically done is that taiwan is armed as best as they can be, so that even though china will win, they're hurt enough that they don't gain momentum and confidence to go elsewhere. china can't have an easy victory in taiwan, and they need to be set back from an invasion.
>>64701816>w-we will do this blatantly retarded thing and everyone will stand and watch because noooksLMAO>china will still winthey won't though.you guys keep jumping the gun with this, you keep trying to cement the narrative that>c-china will win anyways so it's futilebut it's just not working sorry.
>>64701816china is nfu.china's ssbn are too loud and can't leave the coastline. so china has no second-strike capability.u.s. is free to engagre.
>>64701579>WE GONNA NUKE !The last argument of the hopelessly outmatched
>>64701844after having defeated them conventionally and not wanting to invade mainland japan, which relented because it didn't have any allies left. the US isn't planning to invade mainland china.
>>64701811No wonder the US procurement programs have been all disasters, the IQ of "americans" are worse than apes now
>>64701458>How come Germany never invaded the UK?Terrible food and below average women.
>>64701852>angry chinkshill can't come up with actual response>fuck, do i say AESA again? no, he'll laugh at that>call him a stupid gweilo americanlmaoi'm not an american, i can just see the writing on the wall.these Q-ships will serve one purpose, and one purpose only.complete moral and political justification of a blockade of china and the destruction of every cargo vessel to or from it.do you think merchant captains are gonna hang around their ports when they literally see you using them as cover in the form of these ships? as soon as the first few get sunk they're immediately leaving china for the dogs.
>>64701464rmao
>>64701826the us won't risk losing their country over taiwan, just as they won't ukraine. it's the exact same thing. the only difference is that it'll be almost impossible to supply taiwan. hence, taiwan needs to be armed to a far greater degree than they already have been.>>64701829they can launch the jl-3 slbms from chinese waters. they also have multiple road-mobile icbms. they have a second strike capability.
>>64701830what do you think will happen when both sides start losing carriers and major surface and subsurface combatants in large numbers, all of which are irreplaceable? when larges bases on both sides are hit. you'll see tactical nuclear release by one or both sides. from there you're a simple step away from strategic.
>>64701794>geniousNo more gutter oil bat soup ration until you fix your spelling.
>>64701894Fucking retard You don't use tactical nukes
>>64701894>decades of work to finally become a developed country >undone in an instant by throwing a nook melty over the failure of AliExpress OverlordMao would be proud.
>>64701883china won't risk losing their country over taiwan, that's true.you see how dumb this game you're playing is?
>>64701894Ahahahaahahahahah uh oh melty
Isn't time running out for the invasion of Taiwan? Proliferation of "cheap" aerial, naval and submarine drones is going to make any invasion a nightmare because the amount of munitions has gone from hundreds of AShMs to several thousands of munitions coming in from all domains, some possibly dormant or entirely self-seeking and such. Even the Q-ship suggests to me that the Chinese think they don't have enough warships and need a way to rapidly arm container ships to make up for losses.
>>64701441Chink thread I guessThey cannot invade it without loosing a fucktons of troops and the preparation maneuvers will be obvious to anyone.They'll need to prepare for thousands of Ukraine style drone-boat sinking any ship they send close.Because just resisting to something the size of China is the best motivation a population can have, they'd be forced to constantly bomb it (russian-style) to hope to "demoralize" the population, ruining any "reunification bullshit" they could pushAnd there's no saying how the rest of the world would react (even if they stopped buying all their electronics from Taiwan)The only way I imagine China ever "conquering" Taiwan would involve- decades/century long "peaceful" blockade (to not cross red line and look like the bad guys they are)- the US, Europe & India completely ignoring it and trading as usual instead of tanking China's economy (arguably Trump would be easy to manipulate and Europe are softy hippies)- Chinese population remaining obedient sheep by not sending million to their death with the weapon needed to topple China's governmentChina couldn't even manage Covid19 crisis well, they are incredibly afraid of their populations suddenly thinking by themselves.
>>64701968Indeed. The hellscape initiative has seen deployments 2 years ahead of schedule and each month is another 100 dormant USVs being stationed in the strait
>>64701971>they'd be forced to constantly bomb itThey won't do anything but precise strikes. They want the infrastructure intact. They want the fabs.
>>64701968In typical chink tradition, I think they're just going to bet on "blockade the island and starve all 23 million inhabitants - decisive Xi victory". They have to face the USN anyway, so why spend additional resources on fighting on the island?
>>64701971>And there's no saying how the rest of the world would react (even if they stopped buying all their electronics from Taiwan)We gotta remember that the AI investors will not stand for their line goes up being interrupted by Ching Chong bullshit, that's for sure.Elon might even show us what privately owned re-usable ICBMs can do.
>>64701978The fabs are wired to self-destruct with 0% chance of repair if the Chinks try anything.
>>64701450Niggers
Hmmm...how do you even defend this...
>>64702003>Elon spamming orbital bombardment on chinks while they can't do shit without chimping OOKkino
>>64701441Just lure all of them onto the island and unleash the nerve gas
>>64702047>>64702003>Musk, the owner of the social media platform X formerly known as Twitter, as well as the Tesla (TSLA.O), opens new tab electric car company and Starlink satellite network, made the comments to the All-In Summit in Los Angeles uploaded to YouTube this week.>"Their (Beijing's) policy has been to reunite Taiwan with China. From their standpoint, maybe it is analogous to Hawaii or something like that, like an integral part of China that is arbitrarily not part of China mostly because ... the U.S. Pacific Fleet has stopped any sort of reunification effort by force," he said.Elon won't do shit for Taiwan lol:https://youtu.be/RwsngXbLF5I?https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/taiwan-blasts-elon-musk-over-latest-china-comments-2023-09-14/
>>64701978First, I doubt China reliably capable of "precise strike" against anything that isn't huge & hard to missSecond, the fabs are what will produce the weapons destroying their fleet.That's why the "peaceful blockade" is the only way China could reasonably force a change in government in Taiwan without attracting too much ire.>>64702003AI investor are only a small part of the electronic ecosystem that would be impacted.>ElonMeh, that dumbass would also sellout to China and turn-off Starlink in exchange for China pushing him to megalomaniac greatness (because they know he craves attention and can undo fake attention just by revealing it)Plus, among the rare good decisions of China, is to immediately follow SpaceX with reusable rocket now that it has been proven to work. If they succeed they'll ruin most of his margin.
>>64702003Apparently I have lived long enough for "No Blood for AI" to become a slogan I'll be seeing on the news soon.
>>64701486the chinks have dreadful AA see every thirdie shithole anywhere with chicom tech
>>64701460the chicom invasion of THE RIGHTFUL CHINESE GOVT IN EXILE will be a goddamn chinese firedrill set to yakkety sax
>>64701486post a pic of these 'thousands'
>>64701458>American education
>>64701517I hope admiral MacArthur rises from his grave with a massive boner ready to nuke China you fucking wumao.
>>64702047>>64702077forgot to point out in >>64702078 that Chinese are also (correctly) developing ASAT laser weapons.Which is the best and most economical way to destroy a satellite constellation without creating plenty of scary debris.Just imagine>Chink blockade Taiwan (for real)>they offer a deal with Musk to disable Starlink above the island "in the name of peace">if he doesn't his satelites will quickly have "failures" one by one in a way that no country feel worth declaring war but still show you can't rely on Starlink to give them immunitySupposing of course Musk is even a tenth of the "libertarian" he pretend to be and just don't want to manipulate media and information to make whatever he want true
>>64702093How is this from thousands of years ago before the modern concept of these countries even existed relevant
>>64702097Well good thing that the US space intelligence infrastructure consists of several different firms.
Why does everyone assume USA would even be involved? We're rotating the technology back to the States and once that's done the Taiwanese are on their own, we don't give a fuck and we'll have our own sphere of influence in the Americas while China has Asia and Russia Europe
>>64701441YOU don't FUCK with CHINA CHYNA FUCK U!!!!
>>64702106Yeah my name is Joe from Ohio and i think america should only concern itself with america!
>>64702117True, since how much money have the Chinese stolen from US Taxpayers money vs the Somali Day Care centers?
>US has alliesnot anymore
>>64702123literal infinity dollars. As america becomes 250 years old it is now time for us to implode from within since that is the rules.also weimerica rhymes with america
>>64702093nta, but crossing the english channel is hard and the D-day landing was only feasible because you had beaches almost everywhere and given the speed at which information travel now, you couldn't even trick your enemy into believing you'll land somewhere else.no doubt China could organize a landing so large, the corpses of their soldiers would create a bridge all the way to mainland Chinabut doing so would be so costly and wasteful against the "puny Taiwan" they wouldn't recover from it, their only chance of making huge loss acceptable would be to trick the US into attacking them during a "peaceful blockage" then claim the US are the one causing most of the deaths.
>>64701894>NOOKSShitskin detected
>>64702106>weyou don't speak for anyone lol>spheres of influenceoh you're a thirdie, could've just said so.
>>64702127"The Grinch stole Christmas" wasn't written as a policy paper.
>>64701894good thing america's space industry is much larger than chinas and we can shit out anti-missile sats to nullifiy MAD.
>>64702106Shut up, zigger.
Give me 100 of Japan's most racist netouyo and 101 katanas and I will give you Beijing and a mountain of skulls.
>>64701464>muh hypersonics>muh drones>we can land a low armored sitting duck>it will just float right over>it will just sit there
>>64702127Did you miss the part where Japan and Korea invested $155b into American shipbuilding, Mexico put 50% tariffs on Chinese goods, Germany and Denmark ordered more new-order F-35s, and the entire BRICs pussied out on a counter tariff coalition on day 1?
>>64702112That's a bunch of mental gymnastics to justify liking white men.
>>64702106To put US policy into terms the Zigger understands : The Pacific is full of warm water ports.
>>64702106>and Russia Europelol; lmao, even
>>64702156>>muh hypersonics>>muh dronesAll meaningless buzzwords
>>64702112Oh no hahaha oh dear hahaha just imagine how dreadful it would be hahaha
>>64702103It's not about US intelligence (no matter how stupid its population is), it's about keeping internet Taiwan internet online since China would obviously "disable" (if able to do that without attacking cable) or control those cables.China would face huge backlash if they start attacking underwater cables, but if it only impact Taiwan, that's less threatening and they could try to leverage controlling them as a more subtle weapon. I'm no specialist in network but even just making their enemy's internet slow would stress a population used to better
>>64702127>10%Where are my Brazil and Singapore bros at
>>64702160That's not really a counterpoint. Trump decided to shift administration away from concept of partnership between allies towards something explicitly transaction based. Valid stance to be sure, but it has consequences, some of which may include willingness of the partners to "kiss ass" and "pay the rent" to earn favour, but at the same time it gives them a stimulus to make arrangements that won't depend on a mercurial partner.Personally I welcome the fact that for instance EU is forced to get its shit together (or fall apart if it's too stupid and/or rotten to do so), but the outcome may end up do US disadvantage and is virtually guaranteed to erode its influence over what goes on in Europe both now and when generations who now form their opinions of the world grow up to enter politics, business and society in general.
>>64702160nobody tell them but BRICS was invented by the west as a cool fanfic, thirdies never actually planned to set aside their difference and come together to fight big globohomo. all of them are chomping at the bit to cannibalise eachother should they fall. there are no real economic or military agreements between BRICS. two of it's biggest members are in a cold war with eachother.
>but the barge is vulnerable to missilesok yeah and? everything has a weakness it just depends how it gets used why do anons imagine everything to be like a 1v1 without other elements supporting each other?
>>64702188You are really overestimating the influence that Europeans have.
>>64702193the point is people are making fun of the chinks who have posted this barge over 400 fucking times on this board since it was first made as if it's a superweapon that will make it impossible for taiwan to stop a naval invasion.
>>64702193Then tell the chinkshills to say that instead of presenting it as some wunderwaffle.
>>64702106While Trump is retarded enough to "sell" Taiwan to China so long as he looks like a glorious peaceful dealmaker... any proper POTUS capable of thinking long terms, will know that you must not let a country like China gain any influence anywhere.Only retarded nationalist (or false flagging Chinese farm troll) claim democracy should be satisfied only with what's directly around them, while dictatorship slowly take control of every countries and resources little by little.
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>>64702197>you are really overestimating the influence that one of the largest trading blocs in the world haslol
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>>64702127not even the penguins were spared in "liberation day" (liberating everybody from their wallets)
>the US is willing to potentially lose carriers to protect a single company in a country to prevent the chinese from gaining the company's technology, even though the chinese are already on the cusp of developing that technologythis must be 9D chess or something
>>64702197EU is US biggest trading partner and generator of wealth. Well, at least it used to be before agent orange 2.0
>>64701486>Hold on, wait another 10 years for us to build some more ships and maybe develop some better SAMs. Maybe we'll even have invented quad packing by then.
>>64702106>we you aint american shitskin>russia>europelol.lmao. TWO MORE WEEKS after the snail finally crawls through pokrovsk (under capture for 1.5 years), Trust the plan,Z
>>64702234yes, you're an angry contrarian who's scared of direct confrontation and post like a passive-aggressive teenage girl, anything new you want to tell us? nobody cares about the pier.
>>64702259It already exists though: >>64701679
>>64702242no, they're willing to stomp chinks flat because they tried to invade and annex another country period, dumbass nigger. it's not just about the company, it's about the fact that you just dont' do that, as well as the strategic implication of letting china gain a foothold past the first island chain.
>>64702242>w-we're already on the cuspthen stop shilling about how you're going to magically invade taiwan and magically nobody will do anything about it, angry chinkshill.
>>64702274>"thousands"
LOL west taiwan is slow at building engines for their 4th gen+ j20. Have they replaced all the weak engines in the first and 2nd gen j20 yet?
>>64702213>>64702222>>64702249>Q3 US GDP growth: 4.3%>Q3 EU GDP growth: 0.3%Should Trump drop more tariffs on you?
>>64702242>DUV OCTUPLE PASS 5NM---+ ANY DAY NOW!!! WE TOTALLY HAVEN'T BEEN STUCK ON 1ST GEN 7NM FOR 3 YEARS!
>>64702188From my perspective, we should just have our companies start buying senators and judges. It's legal, it's cheaper than paying Trump and comes with a much better long-term ROI. Plus we'll benefit even if the US decides to tackle the issue all of a sudden.
>>64701559bat soup tier B8 wumao. SURFPAC is going to love you tenderly right in the boipucci like REAL SAILORS.
>>64702242That's the childish "pew pew" fantasy US military fanboys have and many in the Agent Orange admin are part of that demographic.But what's more likely is that the adults in the room will explain the risk/reward-mechanics to the children. And then what will happen when China invades Taiwan is that the US sends a couple of dozens of cruise missiles to destroy all TSMC fabs and kill as many Taiwanese chip experts. But they will not harm a single Chinese soul.
>>64701498>This Thailand vs Cambodia mini-war is actually the first time we've seen chink equipment in action, and the results have been... sub-optimal.it actually isn't, ISIS managed to rek a VT-4 in Nigeria back in april of 2025, the VT-4 being shit ain't anything new
>>64702291>woah, you dropped tarriffs on one of your biggest trading partners and it hurt you and your trading partner at the same time?yeah, that's how those work, correct>b-but muh GDP growthyes, US gdp is growing very fast because of the AI bubble, that doesn't really have an effect on the fact that both sides were hurt pretty much equally by the tarriffs lol.
>>64702291>muh gdp growth bought with deficits
>>64702306just because you scream and moan for the US to come deal with your problems for you when they've already contributed the most direct aid doesn't mean that they won't focus on the real problems. You euros are so zero sum.>>64702307holy fuck lmao
>>64702306and other fantasies you can tell yourself
>>64702311If we removed all AI capex and revenue, including hard infrastructure, the GDP growth would still be 0.9%, triple that if the EU. Cope and seethe.>>64702314>Interpolating data from a point in timeWhat happened to the predictions of the US economy going into stagflation on liberation day?
>>64702326>data from a point in timeWith the exception of just one or two years the US has "bought" below 3% growth with above 3% deficits every single year since the GFC.
>>64702326>cope and seethedon't need to, you're already doing that for me, i also suspect you're a D&C shill so i really don't take you very seriously.
>>64702273America should've buy Chinese Taiwan barges for Gaza opartion.
