What the fuck is the point of Hell Week in 2026(formerly 2025), Delta and Rangers don't have Hell Week yet they seem fine.
Bigger culture shock. Army basic is already a diet infantry course, and most attendees to Ranger school are infantry anyway, especially the straight-out-of-training ones. Anyone going into Delta almost certainly already came out of Special Forces, which DOES have Selection, which begins in much the same way. It's a very simple WAKE THE FUCK UP, THIS IS WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CUSHY BOTE JOB, NOW'S THE TIME TO SAY SO.
>>64708351Strengthening the homo
>>64708351Frogmen are gonna frogmen.
>>64708351SEALs are basically condensed ego. Fuckers make the Marines seem quiet and unassuming. Of course they have to do the Toughest And Most Dangerous Thing to make themselves feel special, even if it doesn't have any real effect on their performance.
>>64708351Weeds out shitbags who can't endure hardship. You want guys who are going to keep putting one foot in front of the other no matter what.Ranger school is for building leadership. Delta measures self motivation.
>>64708648Trauma based training is shit, makes me want to shoot everyone in the back.
Rangers have Cole Range, which is basically the same thing.
>>64708671You wouldn't make it.
>>64708351every spec ops unit has their own special flavor of washout/filtering. Hell week is just a naval version of it for example>>64708671is exactly the type of person JSOC does not want
Boot, ranger, selection, seal school are all different strengths of being exhausted, cold, hungry, and made to do pointless tasks without losing your wits and will. Its not to see if you can, but if you will. They can work on the can part later. After they filter out all the people who aren't willing to be miserable and be an adult about it.
>>64708648Ranger school is for shit. I've known multiple aviation officers who went as butter bars, just because they wanted promotion advantage. They were dirtbags and clueless outside of an apache otherwise. If anything in ranger was actually useful or necessary. Every bn, at least, would have mtoe slots for rangers in the s3/HQ
>>64708351Delta has their own selection that makes more sense for the type of unit that they're trying to maintain.(From what I hear) At every stage of Delta selection,the proctors collect data of candidates and ask themselves internally "If I die, would this man get the job done?" in other words "Would I die for this man?" And that's it, that's the only real metric they give a fuck about
>>64708691>(From what I hear)
>>64708696I know, I know hearsay doesn't mean shit but I'm not going to LARP as CAG for internet points
>>64708684You're be cold and exhausted at BUD/S but not hungry. They feed you 3 a day, 4 if you're doing things at night, plus snacks.
>>64708696NTA, but frankly just ask yourself this: Who is the group of bigger egocentric retards? Delta or SEALs? My theory with SEALs is that others are happy to feed into the Navy's delusions just so that they don't shit up the other Tier 1 groups. Basically a retard containment program.
>>64708671It's a rite of passage that simulates the hardship of combat. Don't be a faggot.
>>64708351Homosexuals think being gay make them stronger when it's just erotic roleplay they enjoy
>>64708794male bonding is core to the military experience
>>64708351Seals recruit directly off the street, so they need a more robust filter. Most other equivalent units already have an idea of your suitability from your unit before you even go to selection, seals have to figure you out on the fly.
>>64708671>t. ngmi
>>64708351I have a feeling without Hell Week SEALs would be even less disciplined.
>>64708375this
>>64708671>Trauma based training is shit, makes me want to shoot everyone in the back.It's a filter and you're the person it's designed to filter.So am I for that matter so don't take it personally but they don't want people like us.Now if you're a 15yo edgelord who thinks "I'd punch the drill sergeant" then that goes double for you.They need something that's a hard trial to pass because they want people who see hard things as challenging rather than off-putting. The (wannabe-)alpha types embrace difficult and dangerous activities as proof of how badass they are, that's the kind of people they want and so this gets them that.Trauma based training isn't really a big deal because these people are already traumatised by such things, or they won't be traumatised by it.And if they are, they wash out and the problem solves itself.
>>64708351larping
>>64708945>Seals recruit directly off the street, so they need a more robust filterHell Week has existed since WW2, before they started doing SEAL contracts.
Seals are the only SF you can directly apply to as a civilian, the others require you're already serving. So they have Hell week to weed people out
I dont get why people want to be the expendable wagie with a rifle. Wouldn’t you rather be a real life mecha protagonist?
>>6470992718X, option 40, 0321 contract, whatever AFSOC has going on
>>64708371>It's a very simple WAKE THE FUCK UP, THIS IS WHAT YOU SIGNED UP FOR, IF YOU WANT TO GO BACK TO THE CUSHY BOTE JOB, NOW'S THE TIME TO SAY SO.This.It's a filter for mental fortitude, nothing else.Better realize you cannot take it now than when lost in enemy territory because intel fucked up.
>>64708728Regular SEALs aren't even tier 1. It does lead one to scratch one's head and wonder what they even actually do. If it's something actually important either DEVGRU or CAG is going to get the job, like Maduro getting snatched for instance. The leftover SEAL teams just seem like a light infantry UW unit that doesn't do anything all that different from any other SOF unit that also happens to have UDT capability that hasn't been relevant in practice in decades.
>>64708728SEALs' biggest problems, speaking as a neverserved layman so take that as you will, is the amount of media attention and positive recognition from the '80s to '00s. It started attracting many of poor character, more interested in bragging rights than actual good work being done, and there was no mechanism in place to weed them out (unlike, say, the Green Berets, who can choose not to pass you for any reason, usually character-based ones, even if you finish SFAS)With such people institutional rot begins, and can be very hard to cut out. At least DEVGRU filters them, although they have their own problems
What about pararescue?
>>64708351Delta don't like to be near other shirtless men because it's kinda gay. Also they lose their lone wolf bonuses.
>>64709962Their area of specialty is anything to do with water, but since that's fairly niche and doesn't come up very often other than maritime infil, they do regular direct action so that they don't just sit around waiting for the singular time in their careers that a ship needs to be boarded or an oil rig is attacked by terrorists
>>64709927MARSOC and Tier 1 are the only ones were you can't sign up for right after high school.
>>64709992I was listening to Dale Comstock and he said only 6 guys out of 100 passed OTC. Only 3 of them were selected to go to Delta.... Imagine all that effort and you don't get selected. Fucking hell.
>>64708351One specops team has to be a visible meme to shade the real ones.
>>64711188Interesting, do you have a link to that?I assumed that by the time you got to OTC, they pretty much decided "we want this guy", and you'd get in as long as you were able to complete the course
>>64711188That ain't so bad considering that those who go to Delta selection are already career soldiers while some SEAL candidates come directly from the streets. Imagine fantasizing about being a commando only to fail and being locked in a four year contract scrubbing decks.
>>64708671sounds like it filtered you effectively, maybe stick to flipping burgers or working in excel?
>>64711234https://youtu.be/fwaTxPi-cFk?si=B5dp4RnKGTEZzo21&t=134
>>64708351The point is to have obedient goy piggies that will happily shoot anyone or anything you point them at. Basically glorified pitbulls. Expendable assets that don't complain about being expendable assets and in fact will take massive pride in it.
>>64711188>>64711253People forget that it's not just about the physicality or mental endurance, it's also about being the guy that makes the right decisions at the right time. A good soldier with bad judgement is a bad soldier, and it's typically easier to turn the right person into the right soldier than it is the other way around.
>>64708728>Who is the group of bigger egocentric retards? Delta or SEALs?I’ve never met a Delta guy as far as I know, but I’ve met plenty of Green Berets and SEALs. In my personal experience, both organizations have their fair share of borderline-psychopathic narcissists with massive egos because those traits are advantageous during the selection process. Here are just a few of the things that were going on with the SF guys I knew:>everyone was using anabolic steroids habitually >at least half of the guys were active cocaine users>fucking other SF dude’s wives was fairly common>fucking escorts/prostitutes was fairly commonAnd that’s just the stuff that I knew about as an outsider. Don’t get me wrong, these guys are impressive in the field and good at what they do. They’re also abrasive assholes who are generally unpleasant to be around.
>>64708351Are you implying that "welcome to the salty spitoon how tough are ya" isn't the ideal special operations selection process?
>>64708351The main purpose of the Navy SEALs isn't to create an effective naval infantry special forces branch. it's a PR campaign to pad navy recruiting numbers.They get tons of kids off the street to enlist for 4 years with a promise that they'll have a shot at becoming a SEAL, easily 5-10x as many as they actually need. They then systematically wash them out so they can reassign the washouts to the shittiest jobs in the navy like scraping paint for the remainder of their enlistment.
>>64711188Why is there a boylover symbol on the sword bros?
>>64709533>It's a filter and you're the person it's designed to filter.consider: it may not be a good idea to filter out people who are opposed to pointless cruelty and self-defeating machismo from your elite units.
>>64712931i can kind of understand covering your asses, although killing kids is excessive. but the first kill shit is fucked up.
>>64713142I'd ask what's got you all riled up but Maduro is in custody so I guess that explains that
>>64713142Robot wars or something.
>>64712931It is a great idea. Faggots, such as yourself, are better suited for desk jobs.
>>64709533You don't have a very good brain in your head and you're a bitch for justifying bullshit like this. I did make it through, I do hate them all, I would've shot them if I was too far inconvenienced or frustrated. I harbored that hate for years, and they're the ones that put it in me. There are better methods for training someone than torturing them. Torture is not training.
>>64712931>filter out people who are opposed to pointless cruelty and self-defeating machismoActually, we want people who are not horrified by horrific things and the self-defeating machismo is a subjective judgement that not everyone shares with you.I think the issue has to do with whether such teams are suitable for working with and around civilians.SEALs are way less likely to commit war crimes on a mine or limpet charge, using them to arrest someone in a house full of civilians is a mistake.Use MPs for that.
>>64713400>There are better methods for training someone than torturing themIt's not training, it's filtering.You're not learning anything from that, except maybe that you had more or less willpower than you thought you did, it's the instructors learning whether you can endure it.
>>64708351seal canidates at buds get weekends off, guys at rasp and delta selection dont. also rasp is way shorter than buds
guys at dont have any infantry training and are coming straight from sissy navy bootcamp to buds, they need to be weeded out efficiently. they also get weekend off to compensate for it.furthermore sailors at buds have to learn a lot of technical shit in 2nd and third phase whilst sf and guys going through rasp dont experience that until later in the pipleine
>>64713142man I don't like roaches/poos either but what a grotesque image. why would you want to have that on your computer? it depicts your own people being raped and subjugated.
>>64712931> That pic. > Source: Global Times.
>>64713187and how did the mindless mass slaughter of civilians go as far as achieving the strategic objectives of nation-building and winning hearts and minds in the middle east? make a big contribution, did it?america lost its wars because its soldiers fought poorly. case in point: the war of terror and night raids waged by US special forces. military men are structurally and psychologically incapable of constructive work. they are animals and nothing more, and the civilisational project is to leash them.you fundamentally misunderstand your place in society. you are not the defender, you are the threat.>>64713411>self-defeating machismo is a subjective judgementiraq status? afghanistan status? vietnam status? how many times do you have to fail before you learn this lesson? at least once more, apparently.you are completely correct, but you're acting like the reason why these teams commit so many war crimes is some unknowable mystery. it's not. they're full of violent and untrustworthy men who have no oversight and no accountability and so are absolutely empowered to go and exercise all their cruelty on innocent people. your strategy is simply to silo these people off from the rest of humanity, but i reject the premise that we need them at all. war crimes are not part of any special forces mission and therefore we do not need people capable of doing them as part of those teams.there are plenty of people who are just as hardcore and just as competent who aren't fucked in the head who are available to staff those teams, as proven by all the special forces operators who found the war crimes abhorrent and who tried to prevent them but were shut down internally, and who spoke out against them publicly but were called traitors and whiners by the fucking president and bootlicking washouts who wish they were special forces but don't have a prayer of making it so compensate by acting out a juvenile pastiche of "realism" from their armchairs.
>>64712837There isn't, you're just a deranged moron.
>>64708351my superpower as a MIC nerd is believing I could 1v10 those fuckers cause I know how to make bombs and guided missiles. I see them as the little ants that live just to operate the toys people like me create. They can't even comprehend my lvl of ego
>>64713411>using them to arrest someone in a house full of civilians is a mistakeDo also consider that kicking doors and cracking skulls is literally the thing they're trained for and they don't really know any other approachIt reminds me of something I've read here, where during the Iraq war, regular army infantry had trouble pacifying a captured city, but when NG took over the locals suddenly became a lot less hostile. Turned out that older guys with families and a lot of experience outside of the army were better at wrangling civilians than testosterone-filled 18 year olds, who only knew how to be the proverbial hammerIf being the military's own little rabid pitbull is the only thing you know, it shouldn't be surprising when someone gets mauled to death
>>64715328>kicking doors and cracking skulls is literally the thing they're trained for and they don't really know any other approachThey're supposed to know a lot more than that because they're supposed to be underwater demolition and sabotage experts.Use them for killing people and breaking things in aquatic environments, or stopping that in aquatic environments.Kicking doors is not what they're actually trained for.
>>64708689most officers who go through ranger school do so with the sole and express purpose of padding their resumes
>hungry, exhausted, sleep depraved, doing pointless tasksThis is basically my life except I'm an office drone with no purpose in life and delayed sleep phase disorder. I should've joined the army, at least someone would be watching my diet.
>>64708927One of the things I hated most about my time as a conscript (I'm euro) was the massive latent homosexuality that flared up with 50% of the conscripts as soon as they were deprived of porn/sex for longer than a few days. Fucking gross.
>>64715374Their specific niche is irrelevant, the point was that they're violent because violence is what they're trained forNegotiation, deescalation and working with civilians is not a part of their mission set, and the military won't bother teaching them how to do so when they can just slam your face into the pavement and put a bag over your head for (what to them seems like) the same effect. Not because they're violent sociopath niggers or whatever, but because that's what they're taught and what they knowTeaching them what they teach to cops and feds, about interacting with civilians, would be beneficial, but the value proposition is debatable
>>64714530I do not care you retarded brown commie, neck yourself
>>64715632enjoy your next forever war
>>64708375What did they mean by this?
>>64716835>Embrace the suckIf you laugh at it, you'll fit in.If it doesn't scare you off, you'll probably make the cut.
>>64715457yeah it's ruff
>>64708671And that is exactly why everyone still has a hell week. To weed out fuckers like you who can't deal.
>>64716835>America's Navy Is this some recruitment rebrand?
why are sappers never talked about? us army combat engineers already do what rangers claim to do
>>64717265>us army combat engineers already do what rangers claim to doWhat, seize airfields?
>>64717265Combat engineers are usually the keystone to any operation but are rarely discussed because they arent shown in movies or TV shows. If they fail their task the whole operation is likely fucked. They just aren't the ones raising the flag at the end so they are ignored.
>>64709992Their biggest problem is the Navy does not have a deliberate planning process like the Army or even the Marines. So they take people with no infantry experience, tell them they are super special, and then don't train them as much in basic infantry skills and planning so they fuck up constantly.DEVGRU is better, but still has the same issues because their guys come from the regular teams. >t. deployed with SEALs multiple times
>>64711234>>64711188CAG is still in the Army and has a force structure. For a lot of ranks they project their vacancies based on retirements, promotions, etc. Add in the unknowns of attrition in OTC and the ultimate decider of if the command team wants you and you could very well end up completing OTC and not selected to go to a squadron. >t. JSOC adjacent knower
>>64717194Yeah, I think I've seen the Army do similar. They want it to sound like it has more of a personal investment. 'This is our navy' rather than 'this is the state's navy'. I'm sure that's how some PR suit sold it anyway.>>64718740You know that says convictions are up and that's not the same thing as crimes being up, right?
>>64717265little known secret that sappers were on the bin laden raid
>>64717376Hell yeah!>>64718912I hadn't heard, but I'm not shocked. Sappers are beasts.
>>64718912>little known secret that sappers were on the bin laden raid>little known secretThe idea of sappers operating operationally doesn't surprise any native of /k/
>>64717376>they arent shown in movies or TV showsThe team waiting while the tech guy opens a door, shuts down a reactor or activates the self-destruct is an absolute staple of any form of adventure cinema.
>>64708351Ego. You want these guys to have one since you gotta be retarded to pick up this job to begin with and SF might have the necessary intelligence to realize that. Bonding them with their pride and ego over a meaningless torture achievement is the perfect way to solve that issue.
It mostly functions as building esprit de corps for the survivors. Is there any evidence that people that top grueling PT tests aren't mostly good to go. They've already demonstrated pushing their body hard and suddenly they're gonna be revealed to be pansies in hell week? I don't buy it.
>>64719801>Is there any evidence that people that top grueling PT tests aren't mostly good to go. Selection tests your durability and tolerance to poor conditions. Maxing out a fitness doesn't test this.>They've already demonstrated pushing their body hard and suddenly they're gonna be revealed to be pansies in hell week? I don't buy it.What's hard to believe? Your tolerance for suck decreases with your lack of rest.
>>64719801PT tests aren't grueling, exercising is a leisure activity and elite level PT scores (competitive eg for SEAL officer applicants) are not comparable to elite athletic standards and, excepting pull up numbers, are legitimately attainable for in-shape women women in their 40s given prep time.
>>64719820>Maxing out a fitness doesn't test thisHave you seen top athletes training?
>>64720028You're not a top athlete if you max out a Navy fitness test.
>>64708689Huge difference between being a ranger and having a ranger tab. The option isn't there for computer wonks but even I could have gotten a tab long ago if it was within career. I could not by any means or way perform as a Ranger. I have nothing like their skill set. Simply because I can keep it together in gulag conditions does NOT make me a ranger either.My job is getting in a slush and snow filled ditch, and I never have the boots or gear, you just get fucking cold. You have to fish around and rebuild the civil drainage and it's all the same get in the shit stuff. You can spend all damn day so wet you may as well be in a river. And simply being miserable and doing a job is 3% of what a real Ranger does.Hazing is just a filter for people who will not get in the shit. Real rangers have much more.
>>64718740>RomaniansSo Roma Gypsies>PolesSo jews
>>64708371fpbp>>64708351hell week is only necessary because navy is for soft little boys. it's literally just a mental game. not even close to ranger school
>>64708351>Hell WeekThere are equivalents. Just a normal high intensity sprint to evaluate continued performance under sustained stress.
>>64708671>makes me want to shoot everyone in the back."I would have served but I would have punched the drill" cope.To quote Dune are you an animal that chews off its leg to escape the trap or a human that can set aside the pain for successful revenge?
>>64709962>>64710071I saw another anon refer to them (improperly) used as 'Moist Rangers' qnd that's very on the money.They have at this point spent so much time doing weird shit that isn't their specialty that they're significantly less specialized than they were before.Just elite light infantry with more aquatic / amphib training.
>>64712837It's a delta, retard
>>64708351to deter applicants before they waste more time, investment and health on something they shouldn't be doing
>>64719801The thing is that any gymbro can push their body hard, but a much smaller number of people can do that day after day after day with minimal sleep and in absolutely miserable conditions. They're selecting for mental resilience
>>64721146Back in the day before all these pre screenings you had a lot of people with retard grit who made it through only being able to do ~50 pushups or whatever.It's not about raw strength, it's just about whoever can hack it. Cause it's a lot of things in these selections. You realize that you may get through this, but can you see yourself living this life for another 4-8-12-20 years etc?
>>64708648>Buddy, you've been through a lot by the time you even get the chance to try for the seals.
>>64715449Go Navy!
>>64721250incorrect, this is the navy we are talking about
