What happened Why didn't the Venezuelan see the Chinooks coming?
no one liked maduro so he and the chain of command were most likely not informed of stuff happening in real time on purpose. not even chinks liked maduro though they were courteous enough to tell him the us was going to invade the day before.
>>64710367they were looking for F-22s, duhnobody expected chinooks instead
>>64710367The relevant sensors were dust by the time the chinooks were airborne. Cmon nigger, we use the same playbook every time we invade a country, this shouldn't need explained.
>>64710390nah, it's simply that Chink and Russian shit doesn't work
>>64710367Because they are poor, anon. Like really, really poor. Nigeria poor.
>>64710499stop trolling niggait's 2026, better yourself
Why are third worlders Strategists such trash.They should have hidden the fucker in some hole with like 5 body guard and some unnarked jeep
>>64710499thats literally the only visually confirmed loss of a patriot launcher, and theres another one of a radar. compared to... oh yeah
>>64710499The US don't claim Patriot is "the best air defence systems in the world" like every new Russian piece of shit that comes out to separate gullible thirdies from Billions of dollars
>>64710499>not to defend chinks or ziggers but patriots got their shit kicked in too and have been... unremarkable in ukraineInteresting how they shoot down 'hypersonic' millies though, no?
>>64710555Isn't it, though? Maintaining a 0% loss rate forever is obviously not possible, name a system that has proven itself better
What happened to "The US will have another Vietnam in Venezuela" cope?
>>64710584>What happened to "The US will have another Vietnam in Venezuela" cope?turdies will be turdies
>>64710570Hasn't SAMP-T done better? Granted it's a tiny sample size because there's only 3 of them or some shit.
>>64710499You really compare 4 year attrition war with ukraine unable to reliably get hardware and munition for patriots And almost 50 years of stockpiling AA for it to fail to do the only job it should?
>>64710390>not even chinks liked maduro though they were courteous enough to tell him the us was going to invade the day before.How could the chinese possibly know that?
>>64710367https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFRbZJXjWIA
>>64710603Chinkshill saving face.
>>64710499>Blyat!>Blaaaaaaat!
>>64710367Because in a coordinated attack, BVR is pretty good when it's actually accurate and you know, works like it's supposed to, instead of not at all.
>>64710603a chink delegation literally went to venezuela the day before
>>64710570It might be, but it doesn't need to be said. If a NATO system doesn't meet criteria set out by the government funding it's development, it (usually) gets cancelled as a waste of taxpayer's moneyRussians set their performance criteria, then simply lie about test data when the system doesn't live up to expectationshttp://defencesecurityasia.com/en/india-mig29k-radar-leak-russia-zhukme-blackmirror/
>>64710615Couldn't they just call? Sounds more like a coincidence to me.
Aegis.
>>64710499
>>64710623It's a harsh thing to say on the phone.
>>64710625I was supposed to reply to >>64710570 now I should like a schizo saying that Aegis jammed the chink radars
>>64710615I wonder if that’s part of the reason for the operation, to scare the shit out of the Chinese while grabbing Maduro?
>>64710645I think it's more to fuck with Putin than XiMaduro has more in common with the former than the latter
>>64710499And yet western cold war table scraps still outperformed all top-of-the-line slavshit. Curious.
>>64710390The radars where likely blown up from range just like most of the anti air systems.
>>64710584On that Vietnam subject, I think there's a major crux there. After 'Nam, the US realized that SAMs had been a huge problem, and developed tactics and hardware to deal with them effectively. The Russians on the other hand looked at the same result, gave themselves pats on the back, and smugly sat around for another 50 years content in the presumption that they had it all figured out and things would work out the same way next time. Clearly we're seeing the results of that gap.
>>64710367They should've upgraded to premium on their flightradar24.
>>64710390>not even chinks liked maduroCope. Chinese lost major supporter in Western hemisphere. If chinks try to take Taiwan now, USA won't have a Chinese vassal in their backyard anymore. Time is ticking for China as their military aged population taps out and they end up like the Japanese, old and retired. China can't take Taiwan with an aged population past 2030.
>>64710367>Why didn't the Venezuelan see the Chinooks coming?Their "Flight Tracker " subscription expired.
>>64710390>>64711278It's fucking cataclysmic for chinks. If (when) a new leader is installed, they'll default on the $60b chink loan and the shadow fleet will stop sending Venezuelan oil to them.
I'm more surprised about the lack of MANPADs. We have videos of helis just flying above the city, perfect cargets for them. Dozen of small groups equipped in Iglas or something, scattered through the city would be at least a bump for the operation. No gun based AA either.
>>64711324My guess is the iglas were locked up in some warehouse that got blown up before the helis showed up.
>>64711201SAMs only worked in 'Nam because the fucking faggots in charge refused to SEAD them, because what if some poor rusky gets vaporized while "advising" the ground crew.
>>64711324>“I think we had nobody killed … [but] a couple of guys were hit” and a helicopter was hit “pretty hard,” Trump added, but did not elaborate.I think one guy managed to get a shot off
>>64710367The same way the US knew exactly where Maduro was and how to infiltrate and extract the president of an entire country in 3 hours: People on payroll
>>64710390>no one liked maduro so he and the chain of command were most likely not informed of stuff happeningOr the military was both informed by the US beforehand, and had their radars blown the fuck up. Let the local military preserve some credibility so they can run the interim government
>>64711395>Let the local military preserve some credibilityThey just had the one guy they were all geared to protect stolen from them from under their noses!!The only "credibility" they have left is the fact they have guns and others don't. They're a joke and everyone there know it.
>>64711324I don't if it's real, but this shows a helicopter being engaged with AAA and then promptly destroyed by return fire.https://files.catbox.moe/r70zty.mp4
>>64711418>promptly destroyed by return fire.can you screenshot or timestamp that? I'm struggling to see anything that matches what you're describing
>>64711460>sound of AAA firing and muzzle flash>rockets hits its position>sound of firing and muzzle flash stops
>>64711503do you think the bottom left or the top right is the helicopter?
>>64711511I meant to say the AAA gun was promptly destroyed by return fire.
>>64711546thank you for clarifying, it all makes sense now.
>>64710603>How could the chinese possibly know that?americans told them, everybody apart from maduro himself knew it was coming
>>64710367probably didnt even know how to use them
>>64710390he was ratted out by his own people actually
>>64710367lol this is so fucking funny
>>64711324Anon these fucks don't trust their soldiers, nor their militias, not really. The country is essentially starving, even with benefits given to the military, it'd be easy for individual soldiers to turn, as has happened before, with a squad of guys stealing a helicopter and lobbing grenades. I highly doubt they have enough people they trust to spread out a bunch of MANPAD-equipped squads around the city.
>>64710367Another thing to be said is that many of them didn't even like him.
>>64710623More likely that it was one (of many) factors in deciding the operations date. Doing it a day after the chinks were there is a fuck you to them too.
Chink trash is trash.
Vatnik and Chink export equipment is trash. Maybe their domestic stuff is a bit better but both countries know that their clientele are a bunch of third-world non-US-aligned states so they build it to the lowest possible spec.
>>64712888Zigger monkey model bullshit ended after the fall of the USSR and yet still the exports are dogshit
>>64710603FangFang sucked of Eric Swalwell the day before
>>64710367Regardless of how you feel about this politically, it's pretty fucking impressive. We Tom Clancy'd that motherfucker. Whether it serves an actual purpose for "regime change" or whatever the fuck the goal is, it's technically impressive that we scooped Maduro up and had him on a boat bound for America in less than 2 hours. Pretty sure that was the goal more than anything...to show that we can and will.>Fuck your air defenses>Fuck your Chinese intelligence >We Tom Clancy now
>>64710390They couldn't give up Maduro like that because he's gonna snitch on all of them and they're all gonna end up becoming direct targets. And that's not counting what he's gonna do to all the politicians in Latin America if he opens his mouth.
>>64711278>If chinks try to take Taiwan now, USA won't have a Chinese vassal in their backyard anymore.They still have one: Cuba. And Nicaragua.
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>>64711386>hit a helo>don't even manage to down itLOOOOOOOOOOOOL
>>64716290but that's two
>>64711278how did venezuela exactly support chinks 16000 kilometers away?also how do you know all of that?
>>64712516>>thirdies>>we have uniforms and pull off a yearly military parade>>and post-communist ideology>>we undefeasable>gets card pulled by a single night raidSame as it ever was.
>>64711278>China can'tNever underestimate a desperate despot.Either way, the problem for China is not getting enough soldiers, but getting them so Taiwan.
>>64716342They paid off their debt with oil, retard. Also go look at a population pyramid.
>>64710367Trump got tired of TACOs so he door dashed some arepas instead.
>>64710584We're beyond that now that the raid happened, now we're at>As a deeply concerned European citizen, I am terrified that now Trump will be emboldened to invade Canada/Greenland/Britain etc. etc. and we shore up our alliances elsewhere until the Americans can be trusted again. China would be a good candidate!"
