Long-Range Layer: S-300VM (Antey-2500)The most capable system in the inventory, capable of engaging aircraft and ballistic missiles at ranges up to 250 km.Primary batteries were stationed at Capitan Manuel Rios Airbase to protect the capital.Medium-Range Layer: Buk-M2E and S-125 Pechora-2MBuk-M2E: A mobile system designed to intercept high-speed targets; at least one unit was confirmed destroyed by U.S. strikes in January 2026.Pechora-2M: Heavily upgraded Soviet-era systems used for point defense of critical infrastructure like oil facilities.Short-Range & MANPADS: Igla-S and Pantsir-S1Igla-S: Venezuela possesses an estimated 5,000 of these man-portable systems, which remain a threat to low-flying helicopters .Pantsir-S1: Recently delivered by Russia in late 2025 to bolster point defense against precision-guided munitions.Electronic Warfare (EW):The network included Russian-made radar arrays and Chinese communication relays to create a contested electromagnetic environment. JY-27A "Wide Mat" Radar: A long-range, 3D Very High Frequency (VHF) radar with a reported detection range of up to 500 km. Its long-wavelength signals are designed to detect stealth airframes like the F-22 and F-35 by bypassing their radar-absorbent coatings. In 2020 and early 2025, Venezuela claimed this radar successfully tracked U.S. stealth fighters near its borders.China has supplied advanced command-and-control (C2) and AI-assisted electronic warfare systems intended to jam enemy communications and disrupt precision-guided munitions. How did the US manage to fly Chinooks to downtown with only one hit from a manpad but no SAMs or AA or hits?
Chinkshit and slavshit doesn't work.
>>64710855Were they all plugged in?
>>64710855>only one hit from a manpadThat's news to me. May I get filled in on this?
>>64710924One of helicopters was badly damaged from something in flight. Made it back. 2 injured but seems OK. Only thing that can badly damage an hell without taking it down is the manpad igla. The s300 and BUK would have likely been eliminated first and an hit would likely be an hard kill against an Heli so almost surely manpad as there is no video of flak firing. Source : Trump himself
>>64710986>inb4 thirdies cling to this single incident
>>64710870
>>64711007A Chinook is equal to half their their GDP, so sure I guess they can have that if it is scrapped.
>>64711007I am personally amazed that Maduro did not have 300 of those 5000 manpads around him at all times. Helis flying low are really easy targets and Iglas are relatively reliable the Ukies used them often successfully.
>>64710986Sure he did bud
>>64711088Would have expected more fire against the choppers in that case.
>>64711082Against soviet era mi helicopters yes. But they struggled against KA's aswell
>>64711146Due to countermesaures? In the videos I didn't see the Apaches using them while flying low.
>>64710870>that quality degredationouch.
>>64711164Better materials and manufacturing I guess. I've seen ka's hit by manpads and at most their tails come off and they manage to land despite having flares, but mi helicopters? They drop down instantly
>>64710855Out of respect for his great ally the Orangutan the wise Silverback shut down the systems he 'sold' Benisuala. Once again the wect wept and globohomo kept winning.
>>64710986>Russia propaganda phrasing the postAn Igla would still fuck the ever living shit out of a helo mr WARNO enthusiast.
What is more likely to win. A Capitol city's IAD featuring 'top of the line' Russian Long Rang SAMs and 'top of the line' Chinese Radars orA couple buzzy bois?
>>64710870/thread
>>64711202An Igla had 390g of explosives. 14 ounces. If it doesn't hit in exactly the right spot it isn't going to kill the platform.
>>64711247>A Capitol cityDo you ESL not know the difference between capital, as in capital city and capitol, the legislative building in a capital city? What is wrong with you people? Why can't you learn English. Where does this idea that capital city is actually spelled capitol city. It takes 30 seconds to learn it's incorrect.>b-b-but I'm ESL so..Oh so you learned English incorrectly?
>>64711082He was literally asleep.
>>64710855You assume brown retards understand how to use the tech or have it set up correctly.
>>64711391Why do the Russians not use it correctly then
>>64711382He's packing
>>64711202I mean we've seen enough footage from Ukraine hitting Russian helos to know that some hits are survivable, but only barely
>>64711082>Iglas are relatively reliableOnly against slavic and arab pilots and especially if they are flying russian junk.
>>64711405Because the people using it are much less competent than the people that designed it.Not saying they're incredible, but Ukraine's clearly been having better luck operating a lot of the same platforms, often older Soviet-era versions.
>>64711416Quite literally nobody understands how powerful Western DIRCM and counter measures are. Not to mention shit was getting fucked up by rockets and cannon fire.
>>64711412/k/ certified?
>>64711416I mean, we had Cobras and Chinooks flying practically unopposed into downtown and over military installations, low and slow. You couldn't ask for an easier target. It just shows that russian AA is no longer effective against modern western countermeasures.
Anyone have any BDA numbers on Venezuela losses yet?
>>64711379We learned it from the Columbians.
>>64711455Whatever people the Venezuelans lost we can replace with ones from Miami.
>>64710855SEAD is not optional.
>>64711450Pretty sure it was DAPs not Cobras but yeah very embarrassing shit. >>64711455Nothing besides some video on the ground of blast damage. Would expect it to be relatively light, 100~ at the most.
>>64711082When will retards learnt that shit COST MONEY.
>>64711476what does this even mean? >>64711478kinda sketch no numbers are being reported yet.aircraft? anti-air? armor?
>>64711506The Venezuelans bought at least 5,000 Igla-S by around 2019. So money was not a factor.
>>64711515>what does this even mean?We have a lot of Venezuelan illegals in the US. Not including the large number of legal refugees that have/had temporary status.
>>64711530ok go back to /pol/I'm talking about Battle Damage Assessments which is relevant to /k/
>>64711519>Train>Deployment>REAL Training>MORE TRAINING because the last trainers were bribed>Paying those soldiers to be active 24/7It ain't cheap.
>>64711379Why are you so mad? I made a mistake when typing out a joke. Big whoop.
retard tourists have never heard of DIRCM, lmao
>>64711519>you have 5000 Iglas>you now need to pretend you pay the soldiers>so the soldiers can pretend to protect youJust commie things.
>>64710870>>64711018I love these so hecking much frens
>>64711379>Where does this idea that capital city is actually spelled capitol city.Nigga, you can't even formulate sentences.
>>64711379i had a fucking stroke trying to read your first paragraph, writing this from the ER
get growled retards
>>64711604
>>64711382>go to bed in Vuvuzela>mfw wake up on the USS Iwo Jima
>>64711538Then why did you ask? >>64711548Soldiers are already being paid and trained. That isn't an extra expense.
>>64711692
>>64710855Many are claiming that Maduro's vice-president Delcy Rodriguez is now the President. But this is delusional.Firstly, this is untrue; Maduro is still, according to the PSUV's laws, the lawful President of Venezuela. Delcy simply don't have any powers or rights from the PSUV to rule.Secondly, the strikes hit the PSUV hard, but it's not a full US deployment, so the PSUV kind of still rule Venezuela and it will block any colloboration attemp with the US of Delcy if she try to do so.Finally, Trump didn't gave her any legitimacy or right to rule; trump only said that she should as Maduro's VP, submit the US.But if he give her the legitimacy, she will be removed and blocked by the PSUV's regime, as the PSUV still rule and was beheaded, but not destroyed, by the US military operations.
>>64711082Manpads only work on Muslim and Slavic aircraft
>>64710986Bird strike. Andes Condor.
"BUKey! No!"
>>64712016BUK broken.
Moonwalking out of Caracas.
One could see the Veezees launching missiles and not hitting anything. US EW is very good as are their decoys. But it seems like very little of anything went up. Not even AA. Bagdad was a light show that first night.
>>64711382>>64711694
>>64711382
>>64711202>An Igla would still fuck the ever living shit out of a heloA direct hit to the engine or the tail will.But if it detonates by proximity fuze it's akin to to throwing a hand grenade at a car. Sure it's not good for the car but the body panels and chassis will stop most of the fragments.
>>64712164kekd
>>64710870>>64711604
>>64712097I'm also going to assume that a lot of the soldiers stationed in AA also had two thoughts running in their heads: "I'd better get the fuck outta here before I'm blown up" and "Good, I hope those burger boys chop Maduro's balls off."
>>64710855In this case probably the root cause behind the lack of response was army demoralization or perhaps even having a deal with the US.But that said, *real* air defense is a very expensive affair. Only a few countries in the world have what I would consider a working AD network. Buying a few capable systems doesn't mean you have a working air defense. You need a fuck ton of them, you need layers, you need redundancy and training.As for training and tactics, we can look at Ukraine war. Both sides had to learn how to operate AD systems properly and their air defenses suffered heavy attrition in the first months of the war. I'm talking about keeping the strategic systems constantly on the move, keeping the radars turned off until they're necessary and shielding strategic AD systems with tactical ones. Also, learning how to react to specific types of threat, specific munition types (this involves both operator training and targeting software updates).A common misconception is that a single system like S-400 or Patriot completely closes the sky in the XXX kilometers radius. First of all, the advertised range is in ideal conditions, for high-flying targets. 2) the system will be turned off most of the time (as I mention in the previous paragraph). 3) it can engage only so many targets at once and it also needs reloading. 4) It needs support from additional sensor (e.g. on aircraft) 5) It must be defended by shorter range systems 6) Those systems are mainly supposed to intercept aircraft, large cruise missiles and ballistic missiles (poorly) 7) No AD system has 100% interception rate even for targets it "should" work against.And I didn't even get into the existence of stealth aircraft and munitions.BTW, fun fact: in 2022 Ukraine had the fourth biggest AD network in the world. Only the US, Russia and China had more AD systems. They had more strategic SAMs than the rest of Europe combined (excluding Russia).
>>64711412Imagine getting snatched and black-bagged in the middle of the night by foreign spec-ops, and they so damn fast that they load you up in a chopper and snap humiliating photos of you before your morning wood fades.
>>64711717
>>64711717this one is my favorite
>>64711604i hate ironic weebs so fucking muchstick to your zoomerslop
>>64712320
>>64712164I sneeded that chuckle. Thanks, fren.
>>64712606Where’s his wife?
>>64712606
>>64712624"entertaining" their captors.
>>64712632Imagine if she ends up being the inside man.Tom Clancy’s corpse would have a massive boner.
>>64711435yeah, no one hears about all those times our shit DOESNT get hit
>>64712665Well, except for that one carrier captain
>>64711476Can we have Afro back?
>>64712639Weird semi-related 'tism ramble:Back during WWII, the German security service/secret police was called the SD.Since they had very little oversight and basically unlimited power, you'd expect them to just be lazy assholes and send everyone accused of treason or espionage off to the nearest concentration camp.Shockingly however, they generally didn't. The force was made up largely of older career cops and detectives who took great pride in their work, so they generally did try to carry out serious and somewhat fair investigations.During all these investigations, the vast majority of reports they received were false, and they were submitted by people who knew that they were actively lying to the SD.Nearly all of these false tips the SD received were submitted by women, usually wives/fiances trying to get their men imprisoned or executed on false charges.False tips from women trying to get their romantic rivals, or other people such as random annoying neighbors, etc, killed were also overwhelmingly common.
>>64711694Sounds comfy
>>64712606amazin'
I wonder if this bad boy was used, there are operational modelsThat strike was peak America, almost didnt think we were called of surgical operations like that anymore
>>64712054
>>64712718As far as we know they have two test airframes at Edwards and that’s it, with the one to be used for weapon integration only being delivered in iirc the last six months. They’re years away from being used for anything combat related, because we are not in the sort of desperate situation to be forcing untested aircraft into combat operations.
>>64712718No need. I bet all of Venezuela's AD systems weren't field deployed.
>>64712767But also, even if it was operational, there was nothing really super duper special about this operation that couldn’t have been don by F-35’s.Just like they used super up chinooks and little birds (and probably black hawks but I’ve not seen any footage of them) rather than breaking out the bin Laden special.
>>64710870and they r same quality as that pic
>>64712685Source?
>>64710855Which brown third world country is next? holland? the uk? france? germany?
>>64711405russians are yuros and yuros are brown
>>64712767that sucks :(>>64712774>>64712780You guys don’t think the even deployed a B2?
>>64712816Cuba possibly
>>64710855ACKKKKK
>>64710986I *think* the IGLA slammed into it and caused kinetic damage to a pretty important part but did not detonate, or wedged and cooked off a rocket motor.
>>64712916Isn't that a Soviet/russian BUK?
>>64711057.8%
>>64712927Keep seething
>>64712900If they did, you'll probably see a lot more military assets become a smoldering wreck
>>64711082queer
>>64712954Go on, tell us more about the medicinal benefits of eating cow shit.
>>64712955Didn’t they bomb some commies tomb just for shits and giggles
>Iran has been completely fucked by western stealth aircraft multiple times>now Vuvuzela can’t shoot anything down eitherWhy is Russian AD so fucking garbage? Isn’t that their main “strategy” against NATO’s far superior airforce? What would they do now? Get decimated by aircraft with impunity?
>>64712962Commies on Xitter have been fucking shrieking about it. Saying they’ll move to China because “America is too imperialist, propagandized and authoritarian.”I want them to move there so we won’t have to deal with them anymore and maybe we will see them in a factory accident.
>>64712961Imao. Fuck India and fuck the chinks. All bark
>>64712964>why is this equipment so bad when manned by people who aren't paying attention?
>>64711351>An Igla had 390g of explosives. 14 ounces. If it doesn't hit in exactly the right spot it isn't going to kill the platformThe scooter bomb that killed Igor Kirrilov (the rus chemical weapons general) had 400g of HE and it absolutely fucked up the masonry of the building.You vastly underestimate the amount of energy in an oz of HE.
>>64712916Sorry Kumar, that's a Russian system.
>>64712977Is this the cope? How many times must it happen before you fags admit Russian vehicles are trash.
>>64712977Then why do these systems perform just as badly when they're manned by "properly trained" russians?
>>64712962Chavez mauseleum got struck by a missile. Hyper mega based
So Trump managed to successfully do something super based for the first time in years? Nice.
>>64712995I don't think he was part of the strike team, personally.
>>64713001He ordered it, I’ll give the discolored tard that much.
>>64712991>>64712974kek based worth it
>>64712991>Chavez mauseleumIt was a fucking palace on the top of a hill, surrounded by tall barbed wire fences, in the middle of a fucking shanty town ghetto.I cannot for the life of me imagine a more ironically appropriate tomb for a hyper-corrupt South-American "socialist" dictator.
>>64712977>muh monkey operators
>>64712606kekgood job anon
>>64713040Sounds based and Tropicopilled
>>64713040Socialism is about redistributing anybody else's wealth.
>>64712964Anti aircraft is just vulnerable when owned by shitty militaries that don't do due diligence.Aircraft can pick and choose where to attack in force to overwhelm spread out AA, they can use test decoys, satillite imagery and sat radar detectors to determine consistent setup locations and range, combined with knowing the land exactly using lidar you can basically decapitate any anti aircraft force.Dumping reflector strips and decoys into the airspace you can then act with impunity deleting anti aircraft you already preidentified at will, and if the operation is localised into a small area you can overwhelming force delete new threats before they even leave a barn to respond.If you also use delay tactics after threatening to strike for months by using "I'm not touching you" flights, but then strike hard and fast enough once threat fatigue wears in that will catch them by surprise too.
>>64712982The fuck are those fake brick walls.
>>64713040>socialist uses his position to become incredibly rich and live a life of luxury and decadence This is very consistent.
>>64712964Simple, they were designed by a committee at gunpoint, knee-deep in the most corrupt kleptocracy imaginable during the cold war to be built by literally illiterate drunkards.
Burgers be honest, how smug are we right now?
>>64713107Militarily? Immeasurably.
>>64713107Immensely, especially all the "it'll be another Vietnam" talk. I went out and got a big mac just to celebrate and I hate mcds
>>64713107It's the best show of force I've ever seen in my life. Literally blowing shit up, landing and kidnapping a dictator while he's sleeping. A 27 year regime got toppled in less than two hours. Who the fuck can do that but us?
>>64711861They're gonna do what they're told or we're gonna come back and BREAK SOME BUCKS
>>64713107We've reached Yupiel and it's still rising.
>>64713107US Air Force always performs. Army was solid. The Navy didn't collide with anything or shoot down any of their own planes.Solid performance. B+
>>64712816Denmark for stealing our rightful clay, Greenland.
>>64713122Me too but it was Wendy's.
>>64712990russians are literally monke
>>64713107Burger-sama, I kneel...Now pls do the same with Putint. Euro
>>64713177>Now pls do the same with PutinI would build a fucking gold statue if Trump does that to Putin.>. euro
>>64713183>>. euroMeant to sayt. euro.It's 0:34 and I'm sleepy as fuck. Gonna go to bed and I hope tomorrow we know more of how US's SOF managed to yoink Don Bigotes.
>>64713107Kind of confused it happened so smoothly and quickly.
>>64712606Lmao
>>64713183>Russia gets uppity about the Maduro removal, tries to step in for one of the few real allies they have>criticisms turn into shit-flinging as Russia tries to show even a hint of soft power to the world and hyper-emotional Trump reacts>Trump's goodwill and thereby the carefully planned Russian infiltration of the white house breaks down in said shit-flinging and Putin is pulled onto a warship in his pyjamasPLEASE America
>>64711379get a grip
>>64712900I was really hoping for E/A-37B action personally
>>64711382>VIOLENCE.>SPEED.>MOMENTUM.Holy shit that actually works.
>>64712991>desecrating a corpsewar crime
>>64713250commies are not human, get fucked
>>64713253You can joke, but President AOC will prosecute the trump regime for this.
>>64713253BASED.
>>64713107>hurr durr muh Vietnam>hurr durr muh Russian wonder waffle AAExtremely.
>>64713107my dick is so fucking hard that if I walked up to the liberty bell and hit it, I would put another crack in it.
>>64713273LMAO COOOOOOOOPE!!!!Strategic nuclear levels of COPE!!!
>>64713250>commie corpseNah.
>>64713273LOL
>>64713107>my fukken face when some thirdie tries to shittalk me but I can just send hard men in the middle of the night to steal their president
>>64713273>Because if his troops had used all the toys supplied by RussiaSo why didn't they use them? Did Putin just politely ask Venezuela's military to not attack the Americans, or were all the "killswitch" claims concerning US hardware projection?
>>64713273ZISTERS! READ THIS RIGHT NOW!
wait idgi why do we want him?>t. was out of town since Wednesday
>>64713297> So why didn't they use them?Venezuelan army was bought by the USA and they happily sold the future of their country and their people for green papers.Maduro did a poor choice with whom he trusted and that was his downfall, not the Russian tech which could prevented if used correctly by loyal people.
>>64712164lol
>>64713190The War on Terror was a deliberate clusterfuck is the only explanation.
>>64713301https://www.bbc.com/news/live/c5yqygxe41pttl;dr: MURICA FUCK YEAH did a 1-hour SMO on Vuvuzela's El Presidente by OPERATORS OPERATING OPERATIONALLY. Doesn't get more badass than that.
>>64713310then how did Russia "allow" the US to take Venezuela if this was achieved entirely by US influence without any Russian involvement?
>>64712315Good thing Russia is asian.
>>64712991Commies get fucked
>>64710855>nyooom>turns off whatever bullshit you just describednothin personnel..... kid
>>64713361Someone post the Rubio quote for me.
>>64713361>By not interfering in actionwhat are they going to do? invade the US?>and by not using it's own military complex and PMC to give USA a bad time and by not giving Maduro nukeswhat difference is that going to make when the US rugpulled Maduro's government too quickly for Russia to give so much as a single bullet in response?
>>64713361>PMCBefore they were all fucking dead maybe, what's next, they'll send in the VDV? lmao
>>64713326I still don't get it, did he have WMDs or something?
>>64712685Women did denounce spouses or rivals, but so did men denounce coworkers, business competitors, neighbors, and ex-friends... it was roughly 55/45 so basically equal.The SD did legit investigations but were pretty automatic with commies and jews who owned any jewish things. They at least usually had to find SOMETHING religiously jew in your house.
>>64713376That son of a bitch was trying to charge us for OUR OWN OIL that him and his people were inconveniently living on top of
>>64713310
>>64713376Drug trafficking. We've had an outstanding warrant on him for years.
>>64713383>OILevery single time...>>64713395Reasonable
>>64713383Truthfully speaking, Chavez and Maduro did illegally expropriate American industries. Venezuelan corruption then destroyed the oil industry, and the necessary equipment for oil production.
>>64712606Okay, this is epic.
Over 150 U.S. aircraft — including bombers, fighter jets, intelligence, reconnaissance and surveillance aircraft — launched from 20 different bases on land and sea into Venezuela.U.S. helicopters took off with an extraction force. Those forces were protected by F-22s, F-18s, F-35s, E/A-18s, E-2s, B-1 bombers and remotely piloted drones, which began “dismantling and disabling” Venezuela’s air defense systems.Well, that was fun. Anyone else need a slap?
>>64712816Digits and its Canada.
>>64713415Digits and its Alberta which just collapses the rest of Canada for the taking anyway
>>64713416>why they chose to deal with this right now when the focus obviously should be on cost of living at home?You think the government cares about you?
>>64712812TFW the three day special anti-narco-terror operation had to be shortened to three hours
>>64713416>cost of livingInflation has largely stabilized. Just going down the aisles of the grocery store, most things have either stopped getting more expensive or have actually come down in price, beef being the only notable exception.
>>64713419I think the American deepstate values the continuation of the USA eternally at all costs, which means they somewhat care about the American people as a side effect. But I'm Canadian so I'm just owned by WEF
>>64713428>they somewhat care about the American people
>>64713436HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!
>>64713376He was the head of a failed state, and that causes all sorts of problems for us. Venezuela is allied with our adversaries and we don’t want China, Russia, Iran, etc.. in our region. About 1/3rd of the population has fled the country, causing a migration crisis all over the region, not just in the US, which leads to instability in those countries as well. Unlike other shithole failed states (Haiti), Venezuela can be fixed because they haven’t always been this bad off, they have a lot of resources (oil) that can be tapped to bring the economy back online. Also, this is going to be a massive blow to Cuba, which is already facing the worst economic crisis since the Communists took over because of the oil imports from Venezuela being dried up. I bet that domino falls by the end of the year.
I'm sorry but this reeks of inside job or a negotiated surrender. If I'm getting invaded, I'm rotating guys with MANPADs and cannons on every rooftop in the city and there's no amount of fancy SEAD/DEAD or SOAR/Delta jerking that helps with that. The moment some cowboys start flying low I'm turning them into minced meat.Either Maduro is retarded and didn't think the US would actually invade or there was a backhanded deal somewhere.
>>64713448Bingo. Restore Venezuela to stability, profitability, and security, and many of the "refugees" will remigrate, while deporting others will go smoother.
>>64713134I think its a bit early to call the regime "toppled"Big M is gone, sure, but his security forces still run the country and there are plenty of ambitious lieutenants to replace himWhen you combine this with the total lack of any sort of follow up plan from the US the most likely outcome is the regime reasserting itself under a new great leader, possibly a bit more cautious about the US this time
>>64713416>mobilize the entire American armyThe Air Force is just sort of there. Just point them at a target. Army looks like maybe an air mobile battalion -- something like that. Pretty far from mobilization.
>>64713458Why not both? Besides, you're dealing with thirdies who are dumb enough to believe the marketing claims on Sino-Russian weapons systems.
>>64713448Also America can now abandon the entire middle east as it now is in control of the most proven oil on Earth. It won't need to babysit Israel anymore because now it has no need to assert military control over the oil in the nearby countries, because it doesn't need it anymore.
>>64712606>The water bottle, ear muffs and eye coverPerfection
>>64713273America hasn't had a say in what happens to Ukraine since trump pulled out in 2024If Russia wants the Ukraine war to end then they need to negotiate peace directly with Ukraine, simple as that
>>64713464lmao noUnless they want the same treatment
>>64713473You do understand that the US has the largest proven oil reserves on the planet right this had nothing to do with oil, this was about sending a message to china that we could have Xi facing a military tribunal faster than it takes to cook a Peking duck
>>64713395then why did he pardon that other drug trafficking president?
>>64713486I stand corrected, that’s actually Venezuela lol Idk what’s going on
>>64713486>the US has the largest proven oil reserves on the planet rightNot even fucking close.
>commie troons are getting called out by actual Venezuelans for using their lives as political pawns to virtue signal over>they are straight up telling the troons to kys>ukies are joining in too, calling them out for making excuses for RussiaToday is a good day. I guarantee you that Palestinians would be doing the same thing if they had Internet.
>>64713493lol?
>>64713493Well now it does, because it owns Venezuela, dummy!>>64713486If you truly believe this move is because they wanted to scare Xi Jinping off of Taiwan by proving they could arrest some random asshole in a third world country, I have a bridge to sell you
>>64713485why would trump bother going in a second time? hes already gotten everything he wanted and he sure as fuck doesn't care what happens to the venezuelan people or their country. If the regime plays nice from here on then he'll let them do whatever the fuck they want to the now exposed "dissidents"
>>64713505people are dumb and believe the US truly wants to rebuild venezuela as a democratic beacon of freedom or whatever the fuck lmao
>>64713496i mean Ztards and chinks were shilling the s300 system as impenetrable for years and it was penetrated without even deploying a b2 or b21 raider bomber and Venezuela had the most of those things outside of the eurasian steppes
>>64713473It's not about keeping the oil to yourself, it's about depriving your enemies of said oil. US won't just leave the ME oil fields to China.
>>64713495>The state of the American education system. Can't even understand plain English.
>>64713473People are meming the oil thing because of Iraq, but sending in the oil companies to get things back up and running is the best option for getting Venezuela back on its feet. Also us having influence over their oil production can help keep the price per barrel low, which hurts Russia a lot. It’ll also hurt our fracking industry though, so idk if that’s going to end up happening.
>>64713521Won't they be selling the Venezuelan fracking rights to the very same American companies you're worried about hurting? Nobody loses, it's all the same 3 corporations in the end anyhow
>>64711382literally>locked in
>>64710870>>64710917/thread
>>64713464>there are plenty of ambitious lieutenants to replace himIf you like sleeping in your own bed you might be rethinking this.
>>64711171>quality degradationThe correct phrase is "compression artifacts".
>>64711082You sound young and naive. Maduro relied on his inner circle of soldiers for defense. Maduro was NOT in charge of his own defense, his men were. His men undoubtedly told him that he was 100% secure. They lied and misled Maduro.
>>64713622Or they didn't realize that they can't do anything in total blackout with their comms jammed, and then the guys with the nightvision goggles flew in on their stealth blackhawk and grabbed him. They had zero options other than maybe like stand in the doorway with guns and try to take on the Delta Force
>>64713639>¡Hola, pendejo!Realistically, I'm not doing anything when the spooks swoop in at 3am to grab Dear Leader.
>>64713649Forgot pic.
>>64713273Sounds like cope, Putin isn’t important enough for that.
>>64713473lolGeopolitics isn't a strategy game where all that matters is having the resource you want.We're stuck with Israel because all the people in power are bought and paid for by Israel.
>>64713493Oil shale is never included in proven oil reserves and the US has ~3-4 trillion barrels of oil in said shale.
>>64713649No one wants to be the last guy to die for a failed dictator
>>64713682Case in point: Steiner.
>>64713679>Geopolitics isn't a strategy game where all that matters is having the resource you want.Yes it is! >We're stuck with Israel because all the people in power are bought and paid for by Israel.That's a more reasonable statement, but also the deepstate's goals take precedent over all. Mossad loses its grasp when it doesn't have kompromat on the elite like the President, so maybe the next one won't have touched little girls and you can work on dismantling AIPAC.
>>64711382Man, Dr. Disrespect was never the same after his twitch ban.
>>64713436>+ another trillion to israelkek
>>64713409how many other countries can realistically put 150 planes in the air in a coordinated attack at this point? is it down to just us and china?
>>64713409Isn't that more planes than most airforces have?
>>64714378Yep. Most places competent enough to do it don't also have enough airframes to do it. Probably a couple more on the list if you include rotary-wing like the initial number seems to. Even more if they were being shitty and including drones, but that'd fudge it beyond reason.
>>64710855>Igla-S: Venezuela possesses an estimated 5,000 of these man-portable systems, which remain a threat to low-flying helicopters .You know those numbers are absolutely horseshit, right? Maduro literally came up with a random number in his head and people bought into it.
>>64713290well... (You) can't
>>64713458Maduro said he was open to talks literally the day of/day before. He probably would've gone without a fight if they had just offered to send a helicopter. >>64713464>>64713485>>64713505He explicitly said the US is going to run the place until they can install a puppet.
>>64713409This is more aircraft than the Chinese used in their recent drills for Taiwan. They were using something closer to 89 aircraft in their recent blockade at max, going down to about 70. Back in 2025 they used about 125. Some anon here made a post that showed the Chinese, though trying to deploy over more and more sectors, have been using less aircraft in their drills.This was a real show of force to the Chinese, especially after they just did their little playtime around Taiwan and sent a delegation to Venezuela. Especially showing that the idea that Americans have been outmoded by new military upsets in Ukraine are cope.
>>64710855They didn’t even fire a single manpad at the helicopters. The army clearly chose not to fight back. Basically what Russia expected in Ukraine in 2022. Doesn’t say anything about Russian gbad at all.
>>64714561You’re comparing a drill to an actual military op.
>>64711450Or, they rubbed two brain cells, and realized "We shoot, we die. And, El Jefe ain't worth that"
>>64712964
>>64714317>chinaBoy have I got news for you.
>>64714574So when it comes time to do a far larger and more complicated operation, a kind never done since WW2, they'll suddenly just use triple the amount of aircraft?
>>64711619>Where does this idea [come from] that capital city is actually spelled capitol city[?]ftfh
>>64714317>China>>64702811
>Maduro, tricky Maduro, he thought he could send drugs! Drugs... In our great country, that's right, but we took him! And his wife, from their own country, like the drugs. Beautiful operation, it's a big beautiful operation! I love venezuelans, I love tacos... I saved them!
>>64713512inb4 20 year 'peace plan' with US troops stuck in the green blob
>>64713164USMC bros...
>>64713521isn't Venezuelan oil shit though?
>>64715168NTA, it's sour, meaning high sulfate content. That makes it more intensive to refine, you need a refinery that can properly handle the amount of crap you need to take out of it, but the end result is the same fuel as any other.
>>64715168>>64715178The US actually has more infrastructure for sour dirty crude than sweet crude. They had to cut sweet shale crude with Canadian crude just so it could be used in gulf coast refineries.
>>64711082>Ukies used them often successfully.Ukies are white
>>64711379Half of these issues come down to people using voice-to-text input or automatic aggressive spellcheck running amok.
>>64712606Holy lel
>>64712315>in 2022 Ukraine had the fourth biggest AD network in the worldit consisted of old soviet (pre 1990s) junk, basically crap they inherited and never got around to sell or dispose of
>>64712606>caster wheels on the bedits the little things
>>64710870Seems to work just fine in Ukrainian hands tho. Machine spirit perhaps? And Ukrainians are the only ones who didn't lose the tech priest technology?
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>>64713107Shouldn't really be smug. Germany, France, Ukraine, and for that matter, r*ssia too could do this. It's literally what russians expected in Ukraine, 0 resistance from military, complete incompetence, and people being more or less happy with the government being fucked.
>>64715464FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF SOVIET-ERA EQUIPMENT, IT DISGUSTED MEI CRAVED THE STRENGTH AND CERTAINTY OF THE WESTERN MICI ASPIRED TO THE PURITY OF THE BLESSED PATRIOT
>>64714556>He explicitly said the US is going to run the place until they can install a puppet.But hiw does that work exactly, without boots on the ground
>>64712315>Both sides had to learn how to operate AD systems properly and their air defenses suffered heavy attrition in the first months of the war. I'm talking about keeping the strategic systems constantly on the move,It was part of the training in Ukraine. Soviet "эшeлoниpoвaннaя" AD system meant that you have many layers of AD, the longest range being stationary (S200) and shorter being on the move, or protecting chosen objects (e.g. a factory)>>64715384"Inherited" is a strange choice of words, considering the factory that made the missiles for S300 was located just on the Kyiv outskirts. There were efforts towards modernisation of some systems (S125, S300, Shilka, Buk(?)). Some were deliberately fucked by Yanukovich era government, to make russia's job easier. Good thing that S200 were written off only on paper
>>64715494Nah don't slander ma boi S300 like that. It's a dam good system. It's not it's fault for performing bad in monkey hands. I listened to it's "pop-bang" when a missile launches for ~2.5 years, still miss it
>>64715522>don't slander ma boi S300https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XscaGDxuQqE
>>64715535Nah, watch thishttps://youtu.be/dDOvRVuJUh4Or, for that matter, anything from YouTube results for "C300 ЗCУ"
>>64715561Good fucking lord you're low IQ
>>64715574i didn't sleep for 2 days tho :c
>>64715384>it consisted of old soviet (pre 1990s) junk, basically crap they inherited and never got around to sell or dispose ofS300s, Buks, Tors. These are all systems designed for countering 4th gen aircraft. As expected, they performed well against Russia.For comparison, Iraq in 1991 didn't have any systems that generation. Their air defenses consisted of older systems like S-75, S-125, Kub and Osa. Notice that not a single of them is a long-range SAM like S-300, Patriot or SAMP-T. And yet they managed to shot down dozens of aircraft.
>>64715479Holy cope
>>64716667>S300s, Buks, Tors. These are all systems designed for countering 4th gen aircraft.Also all are still used by Russia.
>>64710986>an hit>an hard>an helikys esl
Why didn't they just Fucking missile the U.S of United State boats that were launching the Fucking helicopters!? Fucking hypersonic them!
>>64717116The quantum plasma codes weren't ready yet.
>>64712315newspapers write that most of the buks and s300s were out of operation. apparently russia hasnt sent spare parts for years now and there was only a small delivery last november.
>>64717183These were lies when the newspapers first wrote them! Russia has been Fucking sending all sorts of weapons for Venezuela to defend themselves!
>>64715479>russia could do thisWhy the fuck haven't they, then? They literally tried this and failed miserably.Where have you been the last 4 years?
>>64712964>Isn’t that their main “strategy” against NATO’s far superior airforce?It WAS, and the US' (NATOs) counters to that strategy was to introduce SEAD/DEAD weapons and platforms along with specific training in how to accomplish SEAD/DEAD against Soviet/Chinese IADS, and later to design and field stealth platforms that USSR/Chinese IADS couldn't reliably track and target. Now the US has combined both of those abilities with the stealthy F-35 being able to perform SEAD/DEAD from 100+ miles away with new long range antiradiation missiles in the AARGM-ER, along with the F-35 having superior Electronic Attack (EA) abilities only slightly below those of the EA-18G Growler. The F-35 also has the ability to do Cyber Warfare on those IADS, too. The F-35 uses its AN/APG-81 AESA radar as part of its EA suite and can pinpoint focus so much energy into a very small area it can literally burn up the T/R modules that make up the enemy's radar array. Using SUTER V, they can hack into Russian/Chinese IADS infecting them with malware, injecting false targets or deleting targets, and the ability to take control of the IADS radar arrays and point them where ever they want to so that those radars become useless. For example, they can take control of the radar arrays, point them to the south and lock them to where the Russians/Chinese can't do anything with them, then attack from the north, east, or west where the radars can never see them.
>>64717216>AARGM-ER
>>64713495production is not proven reserves retard
>>64717216>>64717223More on SUTER V being used by Israel during an attack.
>>64713458>I'm rotating guys with MANPADs and cannons on every rooftop in the city and there's no amount of fancy SEAD/DEAD or SOAR/Delta jerking that helps with that.The 9K38 Igla is IR guided, and the helicopters used by the 160th SOAR Night Stalkers have countermeasures for those very MANPADs. Your shitty MANPADs aren't going to do shit to the 160th's platforms. You'll be lucky to get a handful of MANPADs that make it close to their helos, and even less that actually explode near them. All you have to do is have a system that can recognize the MANPADs launch, track the missile, and then fire a laser into the IR seeker that blinds said seeker. It's not the 1990s anymore, grandpa, time to get up to speed with reality and technology. Those systems are called Common Infrared Countermeasures (CIRCM), Directional Infrared Countermeasures (DIRCM), and Large Aircraft Infrared Countermeasures (LAIRCM).https://www.twz.com/35535/night-stalker-mh-47-emerges-with-mystery-modifications-during-training-in-coloradohttps://www.northropgrumman.com/what-we-do/mission-solutions/electro-optical-and-infrared-sensors-eo-ir/circm-common-infrared-countermeasureshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ahXTx-NlXchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7gqQuwRX-pshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAtnVLECmlYhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTAcZrvIY0Ahttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFdKCX_OP2ghttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7CVkASDOPI
>>64717438So is it time to finally go back to using big fucking guns to shoot Aircraft down?
>>64717197obviously because russians encountered resistance lmao
>>64717193Doubt.png
>>64712816Realistically you should look at dictatorships where the leader is hated by over 90% of the country.So Iran seems like most likely target. Maybe Belarus, but I don't think Trump's too keen on messing in Russia's playground. North Korea if we're feelin particularly funny.
>>64713458The answer was zero loyalty. Anywhere. Probably didn't even take a bribe.
>>64717248I have a trillion dollars in personal reserve, I can't get it and the US can use their trillion... so obviously I'm better off!
>>64713512Nope, fuck em. Just wanna hang Maduro.
>>64715496That's a really good question. I'm sure there are concepts of a plan.
>>64715496>>64717813This is actually really interesting, and a lot of people are missing it in favor of just yelling and screaming. It's a leader change, but without a regime change. That's very new, and we're still in the very early stages of it. We'll see how it plays out, but it looks like the play is to see if removing Maduro and the implicit threat that they can do it again will work as the minimum level of force to get the Venezuelan state to unfuck itself. And if not, then all of the more traditional approaches are still available, but it would be nice to not have to go there.
>>64714317China just failed to maintain 112 flying in an unopposed exercise.
>>64714577
>>64713409Sure dude.
>>64718966>America casually deploys 150+ Aircraft 300 miles away>China struggles to deploy 120 Planes 50 miles from their air bases around a tiny island nation.India looking at that tight chink bussy right now.
>>64718979China can deploy a line of toilets across the border, no jeet will dare advance toward it.
>>64718984Given what I've read, that'd just anger the jeets and make them fight harder. Pretty sure I read a story about a jeet paying another jeet to not shit in the street, the streetshitter came back with his friends and beat the man to death.
>>64717452No it's time to eat shit and die if you don't have a large stealth air force desu. No currently extant technology is effective against this shit. Maybe drones will be able to do something eventually. Doesn't change radar cross sections though.
>>64718966
>Fire Igla>Missile fucks off to hit some favela>Get instantly grinded to pulp by 30mmGod damn, that probably put a hamper on anyone else about to shoulder an igla in the area.For that sweet, sweet 30mm sound:https://xcancel.com/visegrad24/status/2007990208839704823
>>64719229israeli export
>>64712606genuine kek
>>64715473>>64715464>>64715494
>>64710870eff pee be pee
Highly doubt they constantly moved their systems and decoys as would be doctrinal.They simply lack the amount of systems needed to deter a determined US attack. Maybe they could have taken a few pot shots with medium range SAMs if they were disciplined. Some old ass Igla-S probably fares poorly against DIRCM and has been figured out thoroughly in advance.
>>64719229Oh shit, it's an Amerikarauser!
>>64710855the united states performed SEAD, jamming or eliminating radar installations to create a safe zone for US aircraft.it probably helped that venezuelan C&C was not expecting an attack and was poorly prepared. i would not be surprised if all or even most AA systems available to venezuela during the time of the raid were undersupplied, nonfunctional/mothballed, and undermanned by personnel with limited training for the scenario that unfolded.i would imagine venezuelan SAM operators receiving conflicting reports and losing contact with linked radars, resulting in general confusion
>>64719229All the icons are wrong.Though that single engine F-15 that’s supposed to be an F/A-18 looks sexy.
