It turns out ex-Luftwaffe German pilots have been in China training Chinese pilots. How are they supposed to teach the Chinese how to fly flankers when the Germans never had flankers?
>>64716368ex RAF too before they got prosecuted. It's retarded that there aren't any concrete rules to prevent stuff like this. It's 2026 ffs
>>64716368They are teaching them NATO BVR tactics and cooperative engagement. Not how to fly sukhois you burger munching ret@rd
>>64716368>fighter pilots>they're stubby looking little manlets when you actually see them in picturesCracks me up every time.
>>64716389The modern world order was created by stubby little manlets for stubby little manlets
>>64716389I think it's the Steve urkel-like pants of the flight suit.I don't think they're actually manlets, unlike tankers.
You're like two years late with this bombshell https://www.spiegel.de/international/germany/suspicious-activity-what-are-german-fighter-pilots-doing-in-china-a-25ac852d-887d-454b-8d73-02a595c83c32
>>64716379it's totally unsurprising to me that the krauts are letting them get away with it. I work in precision manufacturing; Germans are the number two biggest culprits in selling tech to ChinaI'm told that Italians are number one>picone of the biggest consumer appliances conglomerates in China ($40 billion revenue in 2024, compare General Dynamics' $47 billion) is entirely built off German techso the news that krauts were dragging their feet in weapons transfers to Ukraine, buying Russian energy, and letting raping sandniggers flood into Europe did not surprise me in the least
>>64716396I'm sorry, what?You're going to need to speak up if anybody is going to hear you from down there, Anon.>>64716418No, you can tell from the physgionomy they're all under 5'8". Short torsos, shorter stocky limbs, etc.
>>64716368They are there to teach them nato tactics and how to counter them, also most likely that pilot knows everything about the Eurofighter. Also based as fuck, no reason to stick with a country that has betrayed and hates him.
>>64716434All the actually relevant people are hearing me just fine, though?
>>64716368Is that fucking Fernando Alonso?
>>64716418Try comparing their size to the literal chinoid next to them, anon.
>>64716389mogged by manlets
>>64716368>It turns out ex-Luftwaffe German pilots have been in China training Chinese pilots.What century are we living in again?
>>64716379>It's retarded that there aren't any concrete rules to prevent stuff like thisIf there weren't rules against it, on what grounds were the ex RAF prosecuted?
>>64716368>Germans training Chinese military personnelIs it 1937 again?
>>64716578I stand by what I said.
>>64716631Lol. I have a speculation why China steps with goose-march. When the KMT left most of the "professional" trained soldiers were used to goose-marching (thanks to trickle down culture from the german trained divisions many years ago) so I'd imagine, when they were canabilized into the CCP, it was easier to just keep to goose-marching. Unless goose-marching was just so ingrained into the imagery of the military during the 30's that it just stuck around regardless of alligance.
>>64716571He looks just like him.
>>64716718>why China steps with goose-marchsame reason why Norks and other turdies do; it's the most physically-strenuous march possible while giving an impression of unity (as opposed to more physically-strenuous feats but which allow scope for individuality)what it says is:>we don't just have a few super-soldiers, we have swarms of super-soldiers, and they are all united against you, so fuck off
>>64716678They changed the rules after the fact
>>64716678>on what grounds were the ex RAF prosecutedIslamophobia
>>64716738>because it's cool
>>64716368>ex-Luftwaffe German pilots have been in China training Chinese pilotsBrits did too, it's embarrassing.So long as they stay away from classified stuff, it's all more or less legal. You can't tell people that they can't train pilots in another country just because you don't like that country.If there was a war with China it would be quite different, or sanctions. I often think there should be a legal category of hostile nations that receives partial sanctions to prevent this sort of thing but falling short of it being treason.>How are they supposed to teach the Chinese how to fly flankersThey're probably just teaching BFM and stuff.
>>64716368You cannot hate Europeans enough.
>>64717060>You can't tell people that they can't train pilots in another country just because you don't like that country.Why not though? Companies have no issues binding people to NDA's that almost forces them to change careers if they ever leave the company.
>>64716389ManGODS owned this world, lanky. You're just living in it
>>64717082>Why not though? Because people are free to work for whoever they like.>Companies have no issues binding people to NDA's that almost forces them to change careers if they ever leave the company.They try but that kind are generally not enforceable.It has to be direct competition before those kinds of clauses stand up in court.Now some countries do consider their entire flight training to be a classified secret. If Chinese pilots did this in the west then they'd be fucked and almost certainly prosecuted for violating national security.One Australian/Chinese journalist spent years in prison because she was 15 minutes early reporting some boring government announcement. They lock people up for the slightest bad vibe, training a foreign military that they perceive as a current rival and future enemy would certainly get you fucked.We could be more like China I guess. I'd prefer to do it with some sort of legislative approach where you know damn well where you stand and if you don’t' like it, you can write to your local representative and lobby to change the law, or the designation of hostile nations.
>>64716422Do you blame them, Germany eliminated all nationalism and patriotism, and now the expect people to give a fuck about the existence of the nation. You need a just a little bit of patriotism for national defense, why risk your life for a country where you've been told your entire life not to be proud of, better just to flee if you are attacked.
>>64716368You retard. they are teaching them how tactics, not how to fly. probably teaching them why having fighter data linked is more important than having stealth mcguffin fighter (although it's good thing to have it for SEAD)
>>64716389shortCHADS are superior in warfare than Lanklets.
>>64716389Short niggas handle Gs better and less man = more MTOWYou might not like it but manlet twink is peak fighter pilot performance
>>64716368how is this allowed? why arent they getting charged for high treason?
>14, already over 180cm>Go to museum>Get into B17 nose turret>Cant get out, panic attack>Somehow fight my way out, bruises all over>Fast forward few years buying my first car>Oh Lada Niva lemme sit in it>Same experience like in the b17 turret
>>64717114>Although it's good for SEADYa it's only good for the most important task an Airforce has, no big deal
>>64717082>Companies have no issues binding people to NDA's that almost forces them to change careers if they ever leave the company.Where do you think the technology know-how of the chinks comes from? They poach people constantly from Europe, SK, Taiwan or the US.
>>647171641. Because the German government never passed a specific law prohibiting former pilots from training Chinamen.2. Many of these pilots have no plans to ever return to Germany, and instead stay in China. So even if the German government tried to charge them with something they would have no ability enforce that charge.
>>64716368I had to do a double take to make sure that it wasn't Fernando Alonso in the bottom pic
>>64716368>hiring pilots who can't fly for shit to train your air force
>>64716389My brother couldnt become a jet pilot because he was too tall and I am genetically superior to you.
>>64716368Luftwaffe had the premium Soviet option.
>>64716422Nah, the biggest culprit is israel.
>>64718145Why does she have to look so goddamn kino with Luftwaffe livery?
>>64716865essentially yes, but I'm explaining why it's cool>>64717100yeseven without nationalism or patriotism, I wouldn't assist China in this way, even if you paid me a million dollars, because they are a threat to humanity's well-being in generaland I'm ethnic chinese, mind
Germany hasn't had an Erich Hartmann type of guy since Erich Hartmann
>>64716571Que grande eres Magic!
>>64716571>F5 engine F5 engine AAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH
>>64716368Well, I guess that is a way for these useless bastards to get some flight time. I hate eurotrash so much it's unreal. It really is hard to tell the difference between eurotrash or filthy money worshiping kikes. 30 years, Germany will be an islamic califate with eco-commie terrorists.
>>64720264>Kills off Prussia>Remove poles from Germany>Russians move in>Country immediately spirals out of control
>>64716422They are immoral soulless freaks, like kikes.
Yeah, it is pretty obvious that the Entente should have rejected the German offer of ceasefire in 1918 and fought on until complete victory. Just imagine how much better the world would be if the French had completely dismantled Germany in 1919.
>>64720279All mandated by US and UK.
>>64716422Read about this like 15 years ago. German firms had been feeding IP into Mexican and Brazilian companies for years to build local industry under German final decision but with local industry. Chinks offered a higher price but full IP control. Retarded short term gain for long strategy.
>>64716422>the whole world has been stealing german tech while pushing out anti-german atrocity propaganda because they're inferior copeletstell us something new
>>64720295>French revnachism would have stopped historyNo anon, you can't turn back time.Also remember that it was Russian meddling in central Europe that caused WW1, not kaiser Willy's incompetence.
>>64720286Too bad, eternally butthurt Pole. You will eat ze Roggenbrot, you will have infrastructure and Ordnung, and you will be thankful for it.
>>64716368Frogposter tier question, they are teaching tactics not basic flight or systems.
>>64720318Nope, the Soviets got the East. The USA should have made sure the Soviets over ran all of europe, while sitting on the other side of our beautiful ocean. >>64720331Nope. I'm American. If it were up to me, the USA would have made sure Germans were all exterminated in WW2. That is what they would have done to us. I would have also got the Soviets to curb stomp the all of Western Europe. Soviets would have made all of Western Europe into a wasteland filled with slaves. One day, I would really like to watch the USA/ Americans wipe the eurotrash's face clean of their arrogance and anti-Americanism. I look forward to seeing all of you living in a 3rd world commie shithole of your own creation. The USA needs to leave NATO and Europe. You retards would be killing each other within 10 years.
>>64720392have you considered suicide Ivan?
>>64720320>Retarded short term gain for long strategy.I KNOW RIGHT?!>>64720322>ja, ze schweinhunden forced me to Europe's number one economy become, by the IP crown jewels selling off, to be so verdammt rich I did not want!idiot
>>64720392>If it were up to me, [incoherent bunkertranny babble]
>>64716368the chinks pay double and the cost of whores is half, the math ain't hard
>>64720392You aren't American, your jewish.
>>64720480Most German corporations have sold their IP like fucking crazy throughout the Merkel years. Short term monetary gain for long tarm strategic loss.I could give you dozens of examples, but if you just want one look at Chinese locomotive production.Some of these cases were not actually german, but technically Canadians pressured by US shareholders making teh decisions.It still resulted in Germany handing the Chinese 50 years of research in exchange for a tiny little bite of the Chinese market.And Merkel cheered it all on, like a fucking retard. And don't think that econoimsts didn't warn them that they were committing long-term suicide for short term gains. The C-suite basically just went 'lol, lok at my quarterly report, lmao look at how Imake line go up'Maximum short term gain, zero resilience, zero strategic planning. most of teh management levels were imported from teh US, or even India. Absolutely horrifiying, unchecked stakeholder capitalism is the worst.
>>64720392Of course, John Smithovich from Texas Oblast.
>>64716389kekek riled up the resident short kings with this one dawg
>>64717079>"nehh, take that America"You cut the umbilical cord and suddenly you're literally Hitler
>>64716368>>64716379Ex french air force/navy pilots too. And prosecuted too. One of them is a youtube e-celeb lmao.
I don't know about the germs but Britain had a scandal where their MoD literally announced that they were no longer going to allow white men to become fighter pilotsIf you were a white man in Britain how exactly are you supposed to process that and how should it affect your notion of patriotism?To be clear here I'm not a chink. In fact I would really, really like it if Western governments stopped being so heavy with their "we fucking hate white men btw" rhetoric.
>>64716368>Luftwaffe>disbanded in 1946If the Luftwaffe trained a 15 year old kid at the end of the war he'd be 95 years old today and never seen a day of combat with the Luftwaffe. This is some anachronistic bullshit.
>>64726362German air force is still called luftwaffe my friend of slow wit.
>>64716389> stubby looking little manletsYou may not like it, but this is what peak jet pilot looks light
>>64716422Krauts have been actively trying to destroy Europe for more than a century now
>>64718644> China> threat to humanity's well-being in general Compared to past empires (French, British, currently American) the Chinese have been remarkably mild mannered. They only genocided some muslims on their home turf, but they haven't done much atrocities elsewhere.
>>64720392>The USA needs to leave NATO and Europe. You retards would be killing each other within 10 years.To be fair the Europoors will be doing that regardless of the US leaving NATO. Not our fault they spent decades wasting their defense funds on importing brown rapists.
>>64716368The CIA should kill these faggots
No chink ever threatened to invade greenland. Enemy of my enemy and all that.
>>64716368Meh. Free Market. If the West doesn't want this to happen, pay them more than the Chinese. What are you, some kind of commie?
>>64726475>they haven't done much atrocities elsewhereLOLChink apologist detectedTheir "mild manners" have never been for lack of trying. Their human wave attacks in Korea didn't work out the way they thought (despite a proclivity to cut throats at night) and when they invaded Vietnam in '78, they promptly got their asses kicked right the fuck back out.
>>64726475They're mild mannered because they have to be. They showed their real face in xinyang, or tiananmen for that matter, and it's not pretty. America is loud and in your face these days, but it's probably still more moral in intent than china.
>>64727241we didn’t kill enough of them
>>64727241> when they invaded Vietnam in '78, they promptly got their asses kicked right the fuck back out.Yeah they're not the only ones, I heard the french and americans had a stint there too.>>64727263> America is loud and in your face these days, but it's probably still more moral in intent than china.Kek you've been bullying small countries for decades. You dragged your allies in the afghan shitshow, and elected a fool who sucks up to Russia when they're attacking Europe.You're starting to make China look good by comparison.
>>64727766I've yet to see america commit brazen genocide.And btw. I'm not american, I'm in fact a european who thinks we need to start considering both america and china our enemies if Trump actually invades greenland.
>>64727782>if Trump actually invades greenlandWe'll have someone else in 3 years, he's not a king, contrary to popular leftist thought.One day, we will need each other as the last bulwark of decent civilization
>>64727152If you'd rather trade being a US client nation for being a Chinese vassal state, you deserve that fate.
>>64727878So? If america sees sense in 3 years, we can go back to being allies. Equal allies, not hegemon and vassal.
>>64727893>If america sees sense in 3 yearsI'm asking in no antagonistic way: for you, what does America seeing sense look like?
>>64727782>4:22yes, I'm sure you are very much a European and not some brown posting from a different time zone
>>64716368A couple years back the German Luftwaffe had a total of 21 instructor pilots qualified to teach new pilots on the Eurofighter.7 of those quit their jobs because the readiness of the Eurofighter was so poor that not even these 21 instructors were capable of getting enough flight hours to maintain their instructor rating, and thus faced pay cuts.As a result, they went into the private industry and found other jobs.Turns out china pays them handsomely for their expertise.These individuals have done nothing wrong, they dedicated their life to a country which is ruled by retards who can't even maintain a working air force.The Eurofighter is in the middle of it's service life, you can go figure what it means to readiness of the pilots and the pilot cadre if you have only 14 instructors left who can train pilots.Basically by the time they fix this shit the plane will be end of life.Germany got basically zero time out of the Eurofighter, at no point in time did they both have a working fleet of a reasonable size nor well trained pilots to fly them.
>>64716631chinese century.
>>64727921Not invading greenland or canada (and not threatening it either) would be a good start. And taking the side of ukraine in the war. Frankly, a lot of it would just come down to rethorics and not trying to win russia as an ally; it's not happening and it's alienating europe.Personally, I am actually in favour of all the anti-woke, anti-brown stuff trumpmerica is doing, including supporting right wing parties in europe, so I don't have a problem with that, but many europeans do. We're a deeply fractioned people, just like america is, difference is only the side that is currently in power.>>64727941I'm on holidays and have no self control.
>>64727958Entschuldigung, it's just with al the jeets and browns one becomes a bit over suspicious
>>64727947> Germany got basically zero time out of the EurofighterYeah but they wanted to own the french so in a germoïd mind that was worth it.
>>64726475>They only genocided some muslims There's literally nothing wrong with that though.
>>64728094To you, because muslims are your racial enemies. You think a chink sees a difference between a muslim and a white devil? Lolno. They would gernocide you all the same if they found it expedient.
>>64716389Manlets have a mechanical advantage pulling high gs
>>64728111I'd like to see them try. But in the meantime I must commend them on doing the right thing.
>>64726475That's because Chinese emperors have always taken out their genocidal urges on their own people and immediate neighbors. Chinese history is a cycle of expansion, genocide, collapse and assimilation. Han pussy is China's greatest weapon.
>>64720286It’s the narcissism of minor differences that led krauts to chimp out over jews
>>64727921> what does America seeing sense look like?As a frenchman I don't really give a shit about your domestic policy, trump can own the libs all he wants I don't care.What really pisses us off is his bromance with putin, him talking shit about taking european clay, and the fucking tariffs.
>>64716389Gotta fit in the cockpit somehow. Height just means blood gets pulled farther from your brain in a high G turn.
>>64716571I wanna know too
>>64717114>Stealth the tool that helps make out sensors get closer and has data link (only country on the planet) IS A MACHUFFINTurdies moment
>>64726475>They only genocided some muslims on their home turfThat’s not an atrocity
>>64729725>>64727958Thank you for your honest answers. I'm trying to get honest appraisals from Euros because I'm trying to dispell at least some of my euro loathing and I think destroying the caricature I've created will help me understand you guys better.I don't want the US to become a lone wolf with Russia as our only "friend", that absolutely is objectively retarded
cool, does the german airforce have ANY kills on record in the last 40 years? are these pilots who have no real combat experience?
>>64730261What exactly do you hate about europe? Not in a "I don't want to be like that" way, but in a "I need to harm these people for being like that" way?
>>64730261I don't think that Reagan era republicans would have tolerated a president who more friendly to Russia than to your allies.We fought alongside you in Afghanistan, in Iraq and Syria during Inherent Resolve, and you provided us logistics in Sahel.Decades of wars fought together as NATO and now the man in the white house spits in our face and gets chummy with the enemy. I don't know what the average American believe is going on but it's not good at all.
>>64730392>but in a "I need to harm these people for being like that" way?No. More like a very strong feeling of disappointment that the HQ of whites is on a path of self destruction in the name of empathy.I wish much better for you all, but some of you are incredibly aggressively defensive of the leftist bunk, that it can be easy to see enough of that and conclude that that's the prevailing attitude.I'd rather see the US racially ruined than see the mothership ruined in the same way.Yes, I am somewhat racist, and yes I know it's unpopular to be racist, but here we are
>>64730261Europeans by and large love the US.we may act all smug and shit but that's bants or picking on the relatively few things that we don't share.that being said most Europeans don't have a particularly high opinion of the GOP due to in general being more left leaning.Trump is managing to turn everyone but the very far right not just against himself but slowly against the US in general.One of the problems is that just like most Americans never visit Europe and those that do come on two weeks to see everything tours. Most Europeans haven't been to the USA nevermind left the big coastal cities.so all we tend to have to go on is how our respective media portrays the other/themselves.that being said I love key lime pie, Cajun food in general and Buffalo wings (although eating 50 of them with my brother fried my taste buds)
>>64726475The Frogs barely massacred anybody, the British never even did it intentionally to my knowledge, the American government actively interfered with our completely justified extermination of hostile redskins. China can't go two centuries without greasing a quarter of its own population. The only reason it doesn't massacre is because its too weak to massacre anything but the world's fish stocks.
>>64730438I think neither of us are very typical for our respectve continents. But I get your attitude. Just realize that america is further along the path to being nonwhite (if we count latinos as nonwhite) and whether trump can reverse that is unclear. Hating europe for being a bit behind the curve seems hardly justified.
>>64730396No, under any other circumstance we would not be this friendly to them, especially while they're in the middle of conducting an unjust war. I get the concept of Realpolitik, but Russia just is not the right partner for the US.Simultaneously, I absolutely do not want that connection severed, while also wanting to see Europe step up in a big way to be able to defend themselves if for no other reason than national pride.No matter how much we bitch at each other, our ways of life and basic values have A LOT more in common than with Russian ways of life and values. Russia isn't even western, nor is it eastern, it's its own wretched category
I feel like people wondering "why would americans invade greenland" are just as wrong as asking "why did the russians invade ukraine" or "why did germany invade the world". It's not the country, the nation, the populace. It's a single dictator and his yesmen and his loyal media influencing the decision. Most germans did not want WW2 before the propaganda took hold. Most russians did not want the ukraine war. And I don't think most americans want to invade greenland. But america is not a functioning democracy any more. The republican party has all but given up on reining trump in, and trump is a senile narcissist with a few years left to leave a legacy.
>>64727893I'm being baited, but I feel compelled to speak up. Europe has not been treating us equally and fairly. We have been used as a scapegoat for their domestic issues,we frequently take the diplomatic heat, even when initiatives are European- led, have tolerated a tremendous amount of badmouthing and undermining from Europe, not spoken up when countries like France have committed industrial espionage, did not condemn flirting with hostile anti Western actors, like Russia, 1990s Iraq, the Islamic Republic of Iran, have been forthcoming with sharing technologies like photolithography, and have kept our market fairly open to Europe, despite Europe's efforts to protect its own. Europeans have this notion that they've been perfect model allies and having been holding us up this whole time to their own detriment. This is crap. Europeans have taken their advantageous relationship with the United States for granted for decades. The current spats did not come from nowhere. Europeans need to do some honest self reflection about whether or not their perception of themselves, Americans, and our relationship is reality.NATO and the Transatlantic partnership is not going anywhere anytime soon. Wait two weeks at most and everyone will forget about Greenland. Europe's panic over a shakeup in Transatlantic relations is emblematic of how they have not been living up to their end of the bargain.
>>64727921stop cozying with ziggers who have literally nothing to offer other than greed and corruption (they also push migration here)stop trying to interfere with politics here (at the very least trying to break up the EU), the EU shouldn't interfere with domestic politics in the US
>>64730598>scapegoat>badmouthing>diplomatic heatDid we hurt your feefees or what?>flirting with hostile anti Western actors, like Russia, 1990s Iraq, the Islamic Republic of IranDon't act like any of those are threat to america.>sharing technologies like photolithographyIs america sharing tech with europe?Sorry, but this all seems incredibly thin-skinned. Just about the only actual grievance (and I don't even know whether it's justified) is unfair trade.
>>64730620Sensible critiques. Thank you for being honest without being disparaging. I want to do what I can feasibly do to keep the bridge from being burned down. I really think there will come a day where we'll need each other in some shitty existential circumstance
>>64730625You're wrong on pretty much everything lmfao. You guys constantly use us as scapegoats in domestic issues, such as immigration, and hide behind us in coalitions to take the heat off of yourselves both internationally and domestically. This is extremely blatant to anyone who isn't from Western Europe.>Don't act like any of those are threat to america.LOL>Is america sharing tech with europe?Yes, retard, photolithography is prominent example.
>>64730625The whole trade thing as far as I understood it back during the whole tariffs shit was based on a ton of misunderstandings about the source of trade imbalance (EU has goods, US has services), even shit lite VAT being misunderstood. A ton of criticizing the EU for regulating too much which doesn't really sit well with anybody living here because they really just don't want to buy shit that doesn't follow standards. People talking about people not buying american cars, which are often way too big to fit on a lot of streets, parkings and so on that exist here, and more.Combined with the whole sweeping tariffs that included even uninhabited islands only lived on by penguins and the general reaction I got from everyone I'm around is that we're talking economics with a dude who lucked out into money instead of going to school.Regarding defense, it could have been motivated simply by reducing american troops in Europe, especially which bases are armed. The reason this didn't happen was because previous governments thought that the relationship between the economies was worth preserving, cause one going poof by Russians means the other one starts hurting badly. I actually wish this would've been done earlier because Russia would probably not have jumped on the opportunity as fast if it was a planned withdrawal that we could arm up for.EUV machines were technically invented by US and Japanese scientists, which is good, as in: The research and the prototype for it, but the machine that could actually do the job commercially was first built in the Netherlands and the research to make it anything but a cool science project was theirs. It's the reason why nobody else has one of those working commerically on the same scale.
>>64730598>domestic issuesI can't for the life of me think of any domestic issue that got pinned on the US>we frequently take the diplomatic heateveryone that does anything does, the US seldom takes any from Europe with the exception of the second Iraq war. but even then half of Europe was in Iraq with you>have tolerated a tremendous amount of badmouthing and undermining from Europethe same can be said about how the US has treated Europe and Europeans>committed industrial espionageand the US hasn't?> did not condemn flirting with hostile anti Western actors, like Russia, 1990s Iraq, the Islamic Republic of Iran>Russiaeveryone up to and including Obama did the same with several "diplomatic resets" just so the US could ignore all the shady and outright hostile shit the russians where doing>Iraqthe US was the second largest backer of Iraq right behind the Gulf states and when it was time for the first Gulf war every European nation showed up, even the until just a year ago soviet ones.>Iranthe EU has followed every sanctions packet the US has placed on them despite the regime not being our concern at all due to how we aren't beholden to AIPAC>forthcoming with sharing technologiesso the US is sharing their stealth coating and other stuff with us?>have kept our market fairly open to Europe, despite Europe's efforts to protect its ownthe EU has lower average import tariffs on US goods than the US has on EU goods>notion that they've been perfect model alliesand the US has been a model ally to Europe?did you force the brits and french to stop during the Sues Crisis? did you strong arm Europe into decolonizing? how about causing the 2008 financial crisis? the US telling us whom we can and can't trade with? what we can and can't trade in?I'd frankly be offended if you weren't a shill
>>64730713>I can't for the life of me think of any domestic issue that got pinned on the US> how about causing the 2008 financial crisis?Exhibit A. I'd like to bring up that the AIG fiasco was caused by firms based in Britain taking out insurance claims against their competitors, a practice banned in the United States.> the US seldom takes any from EuropeWe took all of the heat for Libya and the 2017 Syria strikes, both of which were pushed by Britain and France.>the same can be said about how the US has treated Europe and EuropeansIt's not even remotely in the same weight class and everyone knows it.>just so the US could ignore all the shady and outright hostile shit the russians where doingNordstream II>time for the first Gulf warEuropean countries continued to flirt with Saddam after the war and after Saddam had fired on American jets.>muh AIPACIran is openly hostile to Europe and frequently chants "Death to France," and "Death to Britain," alongside "Death to America." Their proxies also operate inside friendly Latin American nations and shoot at European ships. However, you'll still find apologism for Iran in Europe and greater tolerance of Iranian business interests in Europe.>tarriffsThere's more to it than that and you know it.>the US telling us whom we can and can't trade withWell, you guys are eager to trade with a bunch of theocratic psychos who scream "Death to America!", subvert Latin American countries, wipe their ass with the wishes the Iraqi and Lebanese peoples, and loudly proclaim desire to build nuclear weapons to use on the neighbors, so maybe you need a tap on the shoulder here and there.I'm also going to add that Abdul Qadeer Khan was only as successful as he was because he operated in more security lax Europe.
>>64730489I hope many Americans think like you because NATO dies it will be the beginning of the end for the western world.I bet Putin jacks off every night at the thought.
>>64730805>AIG fiasco>American International Groupsomehow Europe's fault that an American investment group decided to use US bailout money for bonuses>We took all of the heat for Libya and the 2017 Syria strikesas far as I can recall no one but fringe far left weirdos complained and they complained on both sides of the Atlantic as it's just something fringe lefties complain aboutofc the russians bitched as well, but you'd know all about what russians think>It's not even remotely in the same weight classas per what metric, your feelings?>Nordstream IIthat was agreed to while the US had one of it's resets. when relations soured again and the US asked it was shelved at great cost to the Germans. but somehow I'm sure it's all their fault.>European countries continued to flirt with Saddamthat's from before my time, do you have any sources to back that up or are you going to claim that the oil for food deal the US approved was a European plot? >Iran is openly hostile to Europe and frequently chants "Death to France," and "Death to Britain,I've never hear any of that, please do provide a source>you guys are eager to trade withyes as sovereign states we reserve the right to trade with whom ever we want to. don't confuse doing the US a solid when they ask for our help to be an abrogation of our rights.perhaps if you weren't beholding to AIPAC you'd have managed to find a diplomatic solution to the Iran question by now>Abdul Qadeer Khanyour allyI'll note that you didn't comment on how we don't give you any diplomatic flak, US industrial espionage on European firms (never mind how the US where spying on European heads of state), how the US doesn't share technologies with it's European allies, how the EU isn't keeping US goods out and all the not so very model ally things the US has done to Europe.it's almost like you are full of fucking shit, know it and are now going to keep nitpicking at ever smaller, less relevant stuff just so you don't have to fess up
>>64730805NTA but Iran absolutely deserves to be totally castrated figuratively speaking. They've been conducting terrorism for quite literally no logical reason for decades and the very existence of the current regime balances the Middle East in Russia and China's favor, but it also means that their oil and other natural resources go untapped (and in regards to water it's literally ruining the natural water supply due to their corruption)Saddam should've been persona non grata after the 90s, no clue why he was left in power but I don't support the actions they took in that regard.Russian cozying has been extremely ill-thought for as long as it's been going on (or at least since they went after Georgia if not earlier), plenty of nations in the EU were not on the same page when it came to Russia, now more are which is good. Wish more would happen faster though, but it's hard when you've got two nations led by quislings shitting up the way the system works here in the name of getting to devour billions in tax money as personal income.>There's more to it than that and you know itIf it's about the regulations then I'd like to know what specific regulations are the issue here that's slighting anyone. Nobody, in the US or the EU, should be arbitrarily forced to buy another nation's product nor should they feel entitled to having it be sold. The nation itself, and in the EU's case, the commission-parliament-member state negotiation, should be the one to decide what gets sold and what doesn't.
>>64730805and ofc you not denying that you are a shill
>>64730878>as far as I can recall no one but fringe far leftI'm not going to respond to anything else. The Libyan Intervention was a complete disaster, everyone agreed as such. It was probably even worse decision than Operation Iraqi Freedom.
>>64730901it was in hindsight, but at the time only the left complained about itand don't act like getting rid of Gaddafi wasn't on the US's to do listhe had killed US servicemen and the US had tried to bomb him beforebut I'm glad you agree with everything else
>>64730456>Europeans by and large love the US.Not really, the US reputation has taken a serious nosedive over the last 20 years, and it accelerated a lot after Trump got elected the first time. Europe has a collective case of Trump Derangement Syndrome and it got much worse after he was elected again. Before Trump, it was only people who had visited America and seen for themselves what it actually is or who were genuine intellectuals who disliked America, after Trump the horde of clueless NPC small bourgeoisie started to dislike America because of the man in the telly saying Trump dumb.
