Their practical accuracy, recoil, speed, basically every shooting characteristic is superior to modern polymer framed striker fired pistols. They are intrinsically safe for carry because there is no spring tension behind the firing pin when the hammer is down, the safety is not dependent on the machining tolerances of a tiny sliver of metal like it is with striker guns. The extra weight is completely intangible with a half decent holster and belt. The DA trigger pull is a non-issue because the only time you would use it is for a threat so sudden and close range that accuracy will not be a factor, like if someone has literally ambushed you out of nowhere and is grappling with you on the ground, in any other situation you would cock the hammer immediately when the weapon is drawn.I've shot Glocks, M&Ps, and other modern polymer striker pistols for over ten years. Now after several months of shooting and carrying a CZ75B, the idea of going back to those types of guns almost seems like a joke. It's incredible that those designs ended up becoming more popular, they literally have no advantage whatsoever. I would say the only real advantage of a Glock specifically is that a full disassembly is easier.
>>64716731Nigga, the advantage of modern striker fired polymers are as follows:They're lighter.They're cheaper.They require less training to become familiar with the manual of arms.That is to say, they're a superior way to arm people who are poor, weak, and stupid, which society has been trying to standardize on.Quality in both man and machine is out of fashion.Cheap and spammable is in. That's why we use 9mm instead of 357mag or 45acp these days, too - why ask for accuracy to make good on power when you can achieve effectiveness through volume of fire?It's just easier this way, for the managers at the top and the half-assed retards on the bottom. Pride in what you do is over.
May we see your CZ?
>>64716953Yeah basically
>>64716731Agreed but that’s not what striker fired guns are for. Glonks are designed to be cheap, reliable and easy to train and arm a force of people to carry. They are the fleet cars or handguns.
>>64717006Glock is the same price as CZ now lol
>>64716953>They require less training to become familiar with the manual of arms.Everyone says this about bullpups vs. AR but too. How do you people even play video games if you can't remember more than one thing?
>>64716731>>64716953Post your metal-framed, hammer-fired, full-sized handguns anon.
>>64716953>Cheap and spammable is in. That's why we use 9mm instead of 357mag or 45acp these days, too Lmao /k/ is so full of fat retards. We get it you're not like the other girls and you crave something big and solid in your hand but in this house we believe that science is real and fullsize 9mm striker with a dot is the peak of practical handgunning.
>>64717385No. Less accurate. Worse recoil. No advantage other than lighter carry weight but not by any kind of game changing amount.
>>64716731I'm in agreement with you, anon. Steel frame, DA/SA, decocker, frame safety. That's peak.
>>64716953Don't listen to this fag. Strikers are popular because the government wants cheap shitty pistols in the hands of niggers so it can complain about gun violence. Yes, manufacturers are complicit.
>>64717840Post yours.
>>64717840>Less accurate. Worse recoilThis is how I know you don't know how to shoot. Frame material has nothing to do with mechanical accuracy and frame weight makes a gun recoil slightly less but makes it harder to carry and transition and these are the things that actually matter outside of high level competition. All serious shooters use this class of handgun for a reason.
>>64716731I want to like them but unfortunately I shoot my g17c better than my tisas b9r.
>>64716953shalom
>>64716969The gun in OP is not a CZ, you no guns loser. Post your plastic fantastic. Inb4 I don't post my guns, or nice try FBI, you asked to see guns first, now put your money where your mouth is. Remember, stock images don't count and we can reverse image search.
>>64721216You need to try not being illiterate, anon> Now after several months of shooting and carrying a CZ75B
>>64716731>Their practical accuracy, recoil, speed, basically every shooting characteristic is superior to modern polymer framed striker fired pistols. None of this is true. I carry a metal frame da/sa btw. It's not better than a glock 26 in any of these categories which is the closest glock comparison. I just like it. Mostly because it feels really similar to what I shoot at USPSA so it's my comfy zone is all. I also have the safety version and carry at half cock thumbing the hammer down on a hot chamber so the safety faggotry argument doesn't apply either.
>>64721216oh wow that is am embarrassing post, christ
>>64719265VPN off HIVan!
What's a moder
>>64716731I like rap music
>>64718682>>64716953>>64716731Post your guns
>>64716731>DA/SA steel guns are superior to "modern" pistols in every wayWonder9s are modern pistols.
I like all guns
>Their practical accuracy, recoil, speed, basically every shooting characteristic is superior to modern polymer framed striker fired pistolsCome on nigga, be real.
>>64717385jesus christ I wish this were real
I carry a Glock 19 but I love this gun way more...
At the very least, we used to have a ton more factory options when DA/SA pistols were popular. Most guns were offered with some variation of decocker, safety, safety/decocker, and DAO trigger options. Aluminum alloy frames meant grip panels and factory options for those, and we had actual finish options like blued or stainless. Now, you're stuck with Glock triggers in everything, whatever the company wants to half-ass for backstraps, and finish options that amount to which color of 2005 toy army man plastic you want.It feels like companies don't give a shit anymore, and I can't blame them when they struck gold with millions of new gun owners who don't know any better, but that X Pro-Tac Comp-pedal Compact sure looks cool.
>>64716731Steel components are great but DA/SA is shit. We need light DAO for a consistent trigger pull, and hammers should be inside the slide or just have steel frame striker fires with second strike capability.DA is too heavy and long, SA is too light and short. In between is best. HK's LEM trigger system is best, a medium consistent pull then a heavy pull to indicate a light strike. I'd get that if they didn't only make them in shitty Indian plastic.
>>64723777Sig's DAK triggers are a similar concept.
>>64723777the most contrarian man in the world
I get compacts for actually carrying as striker fired but I always want a hammer fired full sized pistol.Nobody is carrying around a brick unless you're a cop but its fun to shoot.
>>64718985>>64721662Neither of you shoot. When you go from a Glock or other plastic pistol to CZ or Beretta, your groups automatically shrink by half. I know it's not the "mechanical" accuracy, but this is the reality.
>>64723777The DA trigger doesn't matter because you only use that for basically contact shooting a guy who is on top of you. Otherwise you would always cock the hammer before your first shot.
>>64724818Post guns
Are those not modern guns?t. 229, 1911, and 92fs owner
>>64724845They are, but the Glock design is what won the popularity contest in the end and is what all the R&D went into from the 80s until today.
>>64716731I concur The only time I shot a Glock it felt very underwhelming, like riding the town bicycle with its loose tolerances.
>>64716731If you can't handle the recoil of a polymer 9mm you're a weak wristed tranny faggot
>>64725590The issue isn't "handling" the recoil, I can handle the recoil of full power 10mm in plastic guns and also stuff like Buffalo Bore 44 magnum ammo just fine. The issue is vibration and flexing hindering fine accuracy.
are you the kind of person who naturally gravitates towards the worst guns/classes in a game then insists that they are actually good?
>>64725336>The only time I shot a Glock it felt very underwhelming, like riding the town bicycle with its loose toleranceswhat the fuck does that even mean? its a gun not a sports car.
>>64725623>I'm not a dyel BUTAnon I...
>>64725623>The issue is vibration and flexing hindering fine accuracy.Lmfao do people really? Every time I see a steel frame glazing thread it's full of the most moronic takes. These people must be either literal noguns or effectively noshoots. Nobody on here is outshooting a basic ass Glock gen 5 at 25yds freehand. Your typical metal framed handguns just aren't outshooting your newer polymer frame guns at all. If you're talking about some super precision bench rest handgun shooting then you'd be an absolute idiot not to go for a revolver anyways.>Inb4 muh can't pull a trigger that isn't a 2lbs straight pull without throwing roundsYou're just abysmally bad at handgun shooting at that point, you're shit with the steel frames too.
>>64716731>ummmm DIDJA KNOW? polymer and strikers SUCK????>haha, YUP!>da/sa guns are ACTUALLY better!!!!!!>anyways, here's my EXPERT review after owning my first gun for 3mos.Amazing how nu-CZ and B&T owners consistently live up to the stereotype of being the insufferable contrarian redditors of the gun community.Tie a noose.
>>64721216You blind fucking idiot
>>64725639I gravitate towards whatever guns/classes give me the highest success rate in defeating that game's enemies and challenges. In Skyrim I strictly used stealth archery and daggers and illusion magic, for example. Anyone who played Skyrim any other way is retarded.
>>64725660The fact of the matter is that my groups are significantly better with a CZ75 or Beretta 92 than with a Glock, despite having trained with Glocks for over a decade. With a stock CZ75B and iron sights, I can easily keep an entire magazine on a playing card at 25 yards consistently. With my G34MOS and red dot, I'm lucky if I can do that once during a whole afternoon with the best ammo. That's just how it is.
>>64726098I'm sure you can, buddy.
>>64726120I basically only do 25 yard slowfire.
>>64726098Post your guns.
>>64726132>>64726098If this is your basis for hating strikers, I assure you it is entirely a skill issue. A 3 inch group at 25 yards is well within a Glocks capability, shooting doubles. If you can't do this slow fire but you can do it with a cz/Beretta that indicates that your trigger pull with the Glock is not straight back or you are engaging your middle/ring finger as you pull. I'm guessing as a slow fire shooter, you stack the trigger? You should just pull straight back, hard and smooth and let off the trigger completely. This is also how you should shoot DA/SA but I'm guessing since you do slow fire you have some bad habits that don't work with spongy striker triggers. You said you had a dot on your G34 so do some dry fire and that should make it obvious what is happening.
>>64726335I used lasers to refine my trigger pull with Glocks for several years, experimenting to develop techniques that didn't cause the laser to move. My typical Glock groups are 3-4" wide by 4-5" long at 25 yards on average, with usually 1 or 2 inexplicable fliers per magazine. The first shot is frequently a flier if it was hand racked. I'm very familiar with your description of good trigger pull technique, but regardless, I just shoot a hammer gun better.I don't practice DA because in my mind that's just for shooting a threat at arms reach from a bad draw during some kind of sudden ambush with no escalation, or a total failure of situational awareness. In 95% of DGUs the weapon is either drawn as a visible deterrence first and then fired only if the aggressor doesn't back down, or else it's drawn preemptively to investigate a disturbance. In these cases I would just cock the hammer immediately upon drawing the weapon. DA is for shooting a mountain lion that leaped onto your back from out of nowhere.
>>64726132You basically don't do any actual shooting outside of videogames
>>64726440I shoot one or two boxes of ammo per week on average. So probably over 3000 rounds per year.
>>64726412>I used lasers to refine my trigger pull with Glocks for several years>I don't practice DA>I would just cock the hammer immediately upon drawing the weaponLuh fucking mao now this is pod racing. Did someone purposely train you wrong as a joke?
>>64726509Why would you not cock the hammer?
>>64726412>I'm very familiar with your description of good trigger pull technique>I don't practice DAClearly not. You should pull the trigger the same way every time. You can't shoot glocks because you don't shoot DA and only shoot slowfire, even though you're on here saying DA/SA guns are superior lol.>The first shot is frequently a flier if it was hand racked>with usually 1 or 2 inexplicable fliers per magazineYour lack of self awareness is inexplicable. Maybe if you shot DA or shoot faster than a round a minute you would be able to diagnose your deficiencies that are causing these issues.>95% of DGUsNo one cares about your boomer daydreams. I'm telling you how to shoot a handgun correctly.
>>64725644Have sex.
>>64726562I don't see what the value is of practicing DA when the gun has an external hammer that can be cocked for an SA trigger pull very quickly and smoothly. A light, short, and crisp trigger pull is a universally desirable feature of all firearms.
>>64726589>I don't see what the value isBecause shooting fundamentals make you better no matter the gun. Double action and strikers are exposing your lack of skill and you are coping. You could shoot 20,000 rounds a year and not improve if you refuse to push yourself. I suggest you keep practicing a smooth trigger pull until you can shoot DA as well as single action and then subtract your yearly ammo budget in quarters and melt it into a figurine of you apologizing to me and post it here.
>>64726670So then why don't hunting rifles have long heavy triggers if that is somehow superior?
>>64716731So real, love my FN PP
>>64726412This is bait
>>64726745No it's not.
>>64726678Cope and seethe bro. I already gave you what you need to improve.
>>64726757It should tell you something that people think it is
>>64716731post guns, op.
>>64726762You have not explained what the actual advantage is of a heavier trigger or why I should use or train with one if I don't need to. It's unclear what your point is. Your "correct shooting technique" appears to just be an adaptation to a shitty trigger.
>>64726770It tells me I'm on 4chan, and that bots are out of control.
>>64726784Your inability to shoot well in double action or with a striker (in slow fire lmao) has already exposed your deficiencies that a lighter trigger is making up for. Since you are a retard I will spell it out for you: you would be a better shooter with every trigger if you corrected these deficiencies but it sounds like you dgaf about improving so you will remain a scrub.
>>64726818>has already exposed your deficiencies that a lighter trigger is making up forSo you're admitting the lighter trigger is better?
>>64726833Lmao goddamn nigga lighter triggers are easier to pull straight yes which is why by your own admission you suck without one
>>64726856So then why would I use a gun with a heavy trigger?
>DA/SA>posts Hi Power
>>64726874It took a long time for someone to call me out on that
>>64726873You already are lmao but since you only shoot slow fire you will never see that are shooting poorly in single action too. Sucks to suck I guess.
>>64726908How is shooting to nearly the mechanical accuracy limits of the weapon "poor" shooting?
>>64716953>They're lighter.Disadvantage.>They're cheaper.Cheaper to make, not cheaper to buy. More money for them. Right? Buy the latest thing. Consooom. I thought this was 4chan, not fucking reddit.>They require less training to become familiar with the manual of arms.Skill issue. Just means that DA/SA is not for brainlets.>That is to say, they're a superior way to arm people who are poor, weak, and stupid, which society has been trying to standardize on.Don't be standard.>Quality in both man and machine is out of fashion.Civility and Good taste were out of fashion too, doesn't make them any less valid.>Cheap and spammable is in. That's why we use 9mm instead of 357mag or 45acp these days, too - why ask for accuracy to make good on power when you can achieve effectiveness through volume of fire?ALL THREE of the big three, have large, high capacity magazines. We're not comparing 1911s and S&W revolvers to glocks.>It's just easier this way, for the managers at the top and the half-assed retards on the bottom. Pride in what you do is over.For them. Rise above the occasion, anon. Be better. If they say "Slop is in" you stand and say "No. Fuck you."
>>64726914>Slow fire
>>64726955I only care about accuracy. Speed is impossible to quantity. The goal of shooting is to incapacitate the target, and speed is dictated by the behavior of the target, and your satisfaction with the visible results of each shot. These results in turn are primarily the product of accuracy. Accuracy is objective, speed is a completely unpredictable variable and is of secondary importance. So I train for accuracy and let speed come naturally.
>>64726924You tell them brotherSemper Fi
>>64726974>Speed is impossible to quantity>train for accuracy and let speed come naturally
>>64726986Do you just do mag dumping at 7 yards like 99% of people I see training with pistols?
>>64727001I shot 2 inch doubles at 20 yards with a g45 last weekend which is not even that impressive. Buy a shot timer, stop training ass backwards, and stop listening to memes on 4chan.
>>64727034I don't shoot doubles because I expect every individual shot to be effective provided it hits the intended target. I can usually shoot a 2" group at 20 yards too with Glocks. Never understood the G45, if you can carry a grip that long then you can carry a longer barrel too. G49 makes more sense. But the 34 was always the king.
>>64727034Most of the "memes on 4chan" sound like you, focusing on John Wick style shooting.
>>64727063You don't shoot doubles samefag because you don't know how. 30 sec splits don't count. Accordingly, it's not surprising you don't understand the value of a fullsize grip.
>>64727186The value is to not have to shift your grip to not have the magazine drag against your palm slightly when you eject it. I guess in a competition where you're trying to beat another guy by fractions of a second in some kind of unrealistic simulation that kind of thing matters. I would rather just have a grip that conceals better. But if I'm carrying a full size grip then I'm carrying a full size barrel length too. Most people seem to carry guns by putting them in a holster that is attached to the same belt that is holding up their pants. I can see why those people would want a short barrel, because modern pants are cut below the waist, so anything you carry on your belt is hanging extremely low. I don't carry guns that way so I don't have that problem. The G34 was my carry gun for several years.If I felt the need to shoot doubles I would just carry a larger caliber instead.
>>64727227>The value is to not have to shift your grip to not have the magazine drag against your palm slightly when you eject itWhat? Full size grips are better because they give you more space to connect your support hand.>If I felt the need to shoot doubles I would just carry a larger caliber insteadDoubles is just a drill that helps you diagnose issues with your grip, trigger control, and return to target. You probably should carry a magnum since you don't care about improving.
>>64727275I have large hands and I can get my entire grip onto a G19 just fine. You would have to be Andre the Giant to need a full size Glock grip for any kind of ergonomic reason. The G19 just causes a very slight tendency for the mag to not drop because it touches the bottom of my palm.I diagnose issues by looking at the target.
>>64725644The “town bicycle” is a euphemism for a slutty lass, you know, the kind of lady that everyone in town has banged & the kind of sexual encounter that is all in all pretty meh. Like sure you’re having sex, but it’s not as good as a lot of the other sex that you have had with women who are unironically less slutty. That is what it feels like to shoot a Glock. Becoming a person who depends upon and EDC’s a Glock is like forming a relationship with one of those schlamps.
>>64727292>I have large hands and I can get my entire grip onto a G19 just fineSee? Ass backwards. I said support hand. The larger your hands the less grip you have to connect your support hand.>I diagnose issues by looking at the targetAnd it would tell you things if you pushed yourself to shoot faster. It already is telling you about your bad trigger control with DA and striker triggers but you aren't listening.
>>64723777>SA is too light and shortFucking retard
>>64726065>success rate> in an elder scrolls game The games become easy mode with virtually any half decent build by the teen levels and snowballs to absurd levels to the point youre one shotting living gods and capturing their souls. You can easily easily exploit these games to the point of being totally broken. No one plays Elder Scrolls for the challenge
>>64727324My support hand goes directly over my dominant hand, additional grip length does not accomplis anything.I do push myself to shoot faster. Just not in any objective or measurable sense, because speed cannot be quantified in any way relevant to combat because it's a completely unpredictable variable. In theory, more speed is always better. In practice, hitting the target is the only thing that matters, and focusing on speed is not conducive to hitting the target. The best exercise to develop natural speed balanced with precision in my opinion is small game hunting. If you can kill squirrels with your carry pistol, then you can probably win a fight against any human adversary. I prefer that to using "shot timers" or method with no real concrete objective.
Does this make me an enemy of all you faggots arguing?
>>64727427I always thought M&Ps were for people who believed stupid internet myths about Glocks but still wanted something that was essentially the same. But now that Glocks have started going downhill with the V models and Gen 6, I guess M&P is probably a fine pistol as far as plastic guns go.
>>64725639I gravitate towards whatever works for me.I dominate PVP games. Salty losers sometimes cry that I'm cheating when I simply understand the game systems far better than they do. It's a great feeling.
>>64727427When I first got into handguns many years ago, my initial interest was in revolvers, and I had several S&W revolvers. I noted that the quality control was very poor, and I've had a prejudice against the company ever since. The M&P series is known to be reliable, but I will never forget the revolvers I had with barrels that weren't screwed on straight, forcing cones so rough they would build up massive lead fouling in just one cylinder, and sights that flew off the gun. They should never have left the factory and I cringe at the thought of giving this company any more of my money.
>No groups, no guns postedLARP thread
>Their practical accuracy, recoil, speed, basically every shooting characteristic is superior to modern polymer framed striker fired pistols.Anon, I'm not gonna sugarcoat it, you're probably just a prancing lala homosexual.
>>64727478Which characteristic of a polymer striker gun is better other than it's carry weight?
>>64727485You're a fag for noticing any real difference other than weight. A gay. A queer.
we are 100+ posts into this thread and OP still has yet to post a single gun of his. curious!
Why the fuck would a Browning-action pistol be more accurate with a steep frame than a polymer? That doesn't even make sense. Recoil would only be marginally different and only as a result of increased weight which has its own obvious drawbacks. Speed doesn't even make sense.OP is retarded and just searching for replies.
>>64727531steel frame**
>>64727531The hammer fired action and single action capability is the biggest contributor to accuracy, not the frame. However, I do think a steel frame is easier to shoot accurately, because it absorbs recoil better, and that makes it easier to maintain consistent grip pressure. You might notice a reduction in vertical stringing.
>>64727599Sounds like you have a skill issue with triggers and are blaming the gun.
>>64727394>My support hand goes directly over my dominant hand, additional grip length does not accomplis anythingYour support hand palm should connect to the grip that is uncovered by your trigger hand. The more the better. The majority of your grip pressure should be from your support hand. Again, you would know this if you shot faster.>I do push myself to shoot fasterYou said you only do slow fire>speed cannot be quantified in any way relevant to combatAgain this retarded justification. What application does 25 yard slow fire have to combat? And shooting the smallest possible groups in the fastest possible time doesn't?>I prefer that to using "shot timers" or method with no real concrete objectiveShot timers provide concrete evidence which you use to meet your own objectives. I'm sorry you are afraid of seeming gay for trying to improve but you do deserve to be called a retard. Those squirrels deserve to be killed by someone better than you.>>64727427Metal frame strikers are awesome and they should make more. I want a steel frame echelon, and the steel frame pdp fucks.
>>64727658I just think one is better than the other. There is no "issue".
>>64727709They're not, you just suck at shooting with one and think that's the fault of the gun. You're a dipshit.
>>64727670>Your support hand palm should connect to the grip that is uncovered by your trigger hand.No, because this creates imbalanced pressure. Your support hand and your dominant hand should be pushing directly against one another.>You said you only do slow fireAnd that naturally becomes faster over time.>What application does 25 yard slow fire have to combat?That is just an arbitrary standard range for judging accuracy that I've settled on for various reasons. I do also train at 50 and 100 yards. And sometimes I do rapid fire strings at 10 yards just to make sure I can follow the front sight under recoil, especially if I'm using a new gun or ammo type, 90% of my shooting is 25 yard slowfire because that keeps my form and trigger control in shape.>Shot timers provide concrete evidence which you use to meet your own objectives.How fast do you need to be? I know how accurate I need to be because I know the nature of the target. I have no idea how fast I'll need to shoot though. Most of my field experience comes from hunting, in which there could sometimes be hours in between the first and second shot at the same target.
>>64727719If you don't think there's a significant difference between a Glock trigger and a single action trigger then you haven't handled one or both of them.
>>64727732Where did I say there wasn't a difference? Know what, post any proof you actually own guns you blithering nitwit.
Why not both? I agree with OP in spirit, but I carry a Glock 43 for summer and a CZ P01 in the cooler months.
>>64727742
>>64727742>>64727746I carry full size guns such as the CZ75B all year.
>>64727730>imbalanced pressureIf you are pushing your trigger hand into the gun as hard as you are with your support hand no wonder you're shanking shots DA. Ease up with your trigger hand and relax your middle and ring fingers. Theoretical pressure balance doesn't matter more than your shot placement.>And that naturally becomes faster over timeNo it doesn't, as evidenced by your posts. Progressive overload is how you achieve growth in all things. If you want to improve you need to push yourself to shoot faster than what you are comfortable with and improve from there. If you never increase the weight would you expect your muscle to keep growing?I do mean you should quite literally shoot a string slightly faster than you are comfortable controlling and analyze everything you are doing from that data because everything begins to fall apart at speed and your mistakes are magnified. That's how you get better. If all you want to do is push the range, than do that. But if so, why even shoot 9mm?>How fast do you need to be?That's up to you but you are claiming that using objective times to improve is zoomer nonsense and that's BS.>Most of my field experience comes from huntingThat shows. You should hunt with a magnum revolver because obviously that's your speed. Don't try to talk about practical shooting though because you don't know what you're talking about.
>>64727787Well, regardless of your shooting style or what you think of mine, the lighter trigger and heavier frame are advantageous, and you've already admitted as much.
>>64726098>The fact of the matter is that my groups are significantly better with a CZ75 or Beretta 92 than with a Glock, despite having trained with Glocks for over a decade. With a stock CZ75B and iron sights, I can easily keep an entire magazine on a playing card at 25 yards consistently. With my G34MOS and red dot, I'm lucky if I can do that once during a whole afternoon with the best ammo. That's just how it is.>>64727807This where I started responding to you, and then you said you don't shoot DA out of your DA/SA because you can't handle the trigger and I'm telling you all this is because you aren't as good of a shot as you think you are and scoff at instruction on how to improve. Thank you for being my pet retard, I enjoy educating you peasants despite your insolence.
>>64727841Actually what I said was that I don't shoot DA because I wouldn't use DA in a real DGU.I generally don't see anyone who can shoot as accurately as I can consistently except for bullseye shooters using souped up 1911s. Whenever I read gun reviews where the author posts his offhand groups, they are never as good as mine with the same gun. I'm satisfied with that.
>>64724824>The DA trigger doesn't matter because you only use that for basically contact shooting a guy who is on top of you.So literally the only time you would need to use a handgun.
>>64727865>I don't shoot DA because I wouldn't use DA in a real DGU.This is the same logic retards use to justify carrying without a round in the chamber. Every take you have is shit. Reevaluate your life choices bro.
>>64727875Almost all DGUs occur during an escalating conflict or an investigation of disturbances in or around one's home. A very small minority consist of the Resident Evil style "guy jumping on you from out of the shadows".
>>64727894Those sound like situations where having a good DA trigger would aid in accuracy.
>>64727922Taking fractions of a millisecond to cock the hammer upon drawing the weapon with a practiced maneuver will yield better results.
>>64727865Post your guns
>>64727930No it wouldn't that's retarded. Learning to shoot with DA will always be faster and more reliable than trying to thumb back the hammer in a defensive situation.
>>64727972It will be less accurate and not faster enough to matter except in those situations where your awareness of a threat and your reaction to a threat are occurring simultaneously. You'd have to put some effort into even finding a single piece of video footage of something like that. In the majority of shooting footage I've seen, the people involved are literally speaking to eachother for several seconds if not minutes before one attacks the other.
>>64727987It won't be less accurate you just need to become a better shooter. The only people who think DA vs. SA is some insurmountable hill are people new to shooting who still suck. Getting better on DA will improve your SA shooting as well. There is a reason no law enforcement or military organization ever carried that way. It's pointless. If you don't want to have to learn a second trigger, then you should carry a glock or other striker because that's what they're made for.
>>64728005But why not just cock the hammer?
>>64728017Because you can skip that step by just pulling the trigger. This is why defensive revolvers are hammerless. Nobody's doing that dumb shit in real self defense shootings.
>>64728045The only hammerless revolvers I've seen are 2" snubnoses that have the hammer removed to fit in a pocket and are intended to be backup pistols or a last resort for a restrictive dress code.I'll just keep cocking the hammer for an SA first shot. It doesn't slow me down at all, it's barely any worse than flicking the safety off on a 1911.
>>64728051>The only hammerless revolvers I've seen are 2" snubnoses that have the hammer removed to fit in a pocket and are intended to be backup pistols or a last resort for a restrictive dress code.Yes these are called defensive revolvers. As opposed to sporting revolvers with huge adjustable sights, ergonomic grips, and checkered hammer spurs to allow leisurely SA target shooting.>I'll just keep cocking the hammer for an SA first shot. It doesn't slow me down at all, it's barely any worse than flicking the safety off on a 1911So then why not just carry a 1911? You're carrying a DA/SA gun, which will naturally have a compromised SA trigger compared to an SAO gun. You seem to really care about the lightness of the trigger, have you ever thought about that? Why gimp yourself for DA which you seem to have an aversion to using anyway?
>>64728063>As opposed to sporting revolvers with huge adjustable sights, ergonomic grips, and checkered hammer spurs to allow leisurely SA target shooting.Way back when I was into revolvers, those were the only type I carried. GP100 and 686.>So then why not just carry a 1911? You're carrying a DA/SA gun, which will naturally have a compromised SA trigger compared to an SAO gun. You seem to really care about the lightness of the trigger, have you ever thought about that? Why gimp yourself for DA which you seem to have an aversion to using anyway?1911s are the wrong caliber, single stack, not that reliable, have too wide a variation in tolerances for aftermarket parts, overpriced, and generally don't have a trigger that much better than a DA/SA gun. Also, having DA capability is a desirable feature to have, it's just not my standard way of shooting.
>>64728077>Way back when I was into revolvers, those were the only type I carried. GP100 and 686.Ok>1911s are the wrong caliberThey can be in any caliber>single stackThey can be double stack>not that reliableThe OP talked about carrying a CZ75B>have too wide a variation in tolerances for aftermarket partsNot really you just buy the parts for your gun. Does the existence of the DWX make the CZ75 less desirable because of all the variation in parts tolerances CZs have now? This is a retarded argument in general.
>>64728077Since you think you can thumb a hammer in fractions of a millisecond you should carry a Blackhawk at least that would be aesthetic
>muh DA pullJust half cock the hammer BOZO
>>64723147Based enjoyer.
