The fact that a president of a state could be kidnapped by SOF, doesn't it mean that nuclear war could be "won" against a nuclear power? Just send SOF, kidnap their president alongside his "nuclear football". Point a gun in the head of his wife and kids so he gives up the nuclear codes. Then proceed to nuke each airbase of that country and naval bases with nuclear bombers and SSBNs and the major cities of that country. This leaves only the patrolling SSBNs for launching a counter strike. But still, this "simple" specops mission would have transformed a massive, unmanageable nuclear exchange into a limited engagement that modern Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) might actually be able to manage and thus win the nuclear war.t. Tom Clancy's ghost
>>64719453just because it worked against a thirdie dictator who ran a destitute shithole and managed to get things from bad to worse so that his own military gor bribed by glowies to letting a few helos through does not mean it can work against even a remotely competent power.If you tried that against, say, France, you'd end up with a bunch of burning helos and dead operators al around. Even China, Russia or India could stop this.
>>64719478>France>entire airforce shot down>entire special forces branch defects>the rest of the army surrendersKEKEK
1 - Assuming only the president has access to a retaliatory option is beyond naive. Even fucking Julian assrange figured out what a dead man's switch is.2 - Capturing the football, if it were the only option for a retaliatory strike, is moronic. Literally just drop a nuke on that retard holding the football instead.3 - Once you capture the guy with the football and enter negotiations, he actually has the leverage over you.Sure you can torture him and kill his wife/kids, but the threat of losing the retaliatory option means that the nation under attack immediately goes to a use it or lose it situation, and they will likely use it as opposed to lose it. You just placed an unknown countdown on yourself, and you tortured the only guy who can stop the whole thing after killing his family.
>>64719483Therein lies the problem. You have to defeat the country's entire military in a conventional war in order to launch an SOF raid to kidnap the president, but if you've already defeated the country's entire military in a conventional war then you don't need to launch an SOF raid to kidnap the president.
>>64719453The problem with western doctrine is that it relies too much on the fact that they only pick on dysfunctional 3rd world countries with zero capabilities to defend themselves
>>64719453>Just send SOF, kidnap their president alongside his "nuclear football".That's not how most of the countries work.
>>64719478>>64719641You're quite delusional if you believe that America can't perform the same operation in France. It's going to be a politican and economical suicide for the US, but practically no military in the world could prevent Americans to repeat something similar
>>64719725Surely the military itself would be smart enough to just not follow those orders. Same with greenland. Surely some generals are smart enough to know that attacking an ally would destroy the international order and completely isolate the US.
>>64719731So they're rather be court martialed just because they don't want to hurt the fefes of euros?
>>64719737NTA, but because it is wrong?
>Americans huff up their own farts and start beating their chestsyoulll never have your foreskin back
>>64719453>is this a good way to invade a nuclear power without starting a nuclear war?>>64719478>>64719641>no>>64719725>well can't we just do it anyway?
>>64719744I swear to God if Mark Kelly was talking about the Venezuelan intervention when he was talking about illegal orders
>>64719731>attacking an ally would destroy the international order and completely isolate the USwow, does that mean we wouldn't have to read your irritating posts anymore?
>>64719725Have you wondered WHY it would be an economic and political suicide? Because france, as most european countries, has enough soft power to openly oppose the US, either militarily or through sanctions, via the EU. And where does this power come from? The armed forces. So in the end, you just made an oxymoron. Europe is not your dysfunctional banana republic, nor your stagnant theocracy, expect things to be different
>>64719725>You're quite delusional if you believe that America can't perform the same operation in France.From where? From the bases in Europe which would be overrun the minute the would start this operation?
>>64719725>You're quite delusional if you believe that America can't perform the same operation in FranceHoly shit you are fucking stupid. Without a doubt the U.S is the only superpower in the world and your navy is absolutely unrivaled. What you did was an amazing operation.Aircraft carriers are blue water vessels first and foremost, they are meant to dominate the ocean. The U.S just found out they also work well against third worlders. There´s a reason you island hopped towards Japan in WW2 and why you first made the very hard trip across the Atlantic to land on allied soil in U.K before you you made the last ditch effort across a narrow English Canal to mainland Europe, where a country busy fighting the rest of Europe and Russia all at once still managed to murder well over 100.000 of you . If the U.S tries to pull up a single aircraft carrier and some Arleigh Burkes against a first world nation you will just get blown out of the water. Lucky for you, every single one of your generals and admirals can figure that out, you won´t have to learn it the hard way.
>>64719725This operation required more than raw firepower.It also required countless bribed traitors.You wont find that in a western country even if things are a bit rough recently.In fact you will never find the president because opsec actually exists.
>>64719785He's probably talking about their fleet of 11 supercarriers which will all be sank by france's (and europe's) attack submarine fleet
>>647197903 out of those are in maintenance. 3 of those are in training and 2 of those are in the pacific. War and military operations arn't like your vidya anon.
>>64719790the US has more nuclear subs than all of Europe has subs in general, delusional Europosting is not the solution to delusional Ameriposting
>>64719790So we're gone from "just use SOF to kidnap the president" to "just send multiple supercarriers to blow up the entire country, then use SOF to kidnap the president"? Why even bother with SOF at that point?
>>64719795Don't try to argue logically with these. Either these are jeets pretending to be worse or MIGAtards who follow their leader no matter what.
>>64719794Sub on sub action is seen only in movies. The attacking force (the US) would be put in serious disadvantage since they would still lose a significant chunk of their invading force before they even manage to land in europe.
>>64719795Because the only way the US can apprehend an european VIP is through sheer force of arms, that's the only advantage they have on europe
>>64719800There are thousands of US troops in Europe. In case of a war, the US forces already present would either try decapitation strikes, for example in Germany where they have numbers, or have to be evacuated like in the Baltics, where NATO forces outnumber US ones. It could turn into a series of sieges, with mainland US forces having to rush to rescue isolated units.
>>64719807Most of those forces are stationed in the nato cordons close to russia, the rest are scattered throughout various bases which are also populated by native armed forces. It's not a solid, coherent front, every nation in europe (even bulgaria) could easily siege them out.
>>64719807>Being surrounded in enemy territory 12 hours away from your homeland without any chance of resupplyThey would be squashed. If the US decided to prepare for something, then Euros would know about it and prepare counter measures. If the US decided some sort of strike without telling it's own soldiers then they would be woefully unprepared as well. Also most of the "troops" in Europe bar the Baltics are Air force personnel, mechanics, staff, logistics workers etc. and not infantry/marines like at Ramstein airbase.
>>64719725Yeah I've read the exact same shit in Feb. 2022.
Anyone else find it a little interesting that we went through the standard 48 hrs of silence from shills then all of a sudden there's all these "fuck you yurop ur next" posts?
>>64719800Sub on sub action is only seen in movies because since capable subs have been a thing, no major countries have fought such a war. It's retarded to think that means subs don't kill subs.
>>64719453Two things: First, the nuclear football does not allow the president to create new nuclear strike orders, it puts in motion orders that already exist. With the football you could start any number of operational chains the US already has, but I don't think any of them are just "Nike ourselves lol." Secondary to this is that most ballistic missiles have a pretty big minimum range, meaning it's doubtful that many American weapons are even capable of hitting American cities even IF for some reason they had friendly targets in their extremely limited list of preregistered targets.Second, the biscuit, the football, whatever equivalent you wanna have in another country, these are not the only methods of authorizing a nuclear attack. If automatic nuclear retaliation when a head of state is assassinated or kidnapped is part of a country's nuclear policy (though I don't think this is the case anywhere), then there's no point, and even if it isn't all nuclear powers have transfer of authority and continuation of command protocols that go down the list until they find someone to give the control of nuclear weapons to.Honestly most places that aren't dictatorships are basically immune to this form of attack because who fucking cares if the head of state gets yeeted, his job is done by his cabinet, or the legislature or the oligarchs and so on. You could kidnap Putin tomorrow and it wouldn't really change the short term trajectory of Russia.
It's funny how nobody actually read the retarded post.
>>64719884That's because POTUS mentioned Greenland again: https://x.com/disclosetv/status/2007985679553491215
>>64719898>You could kidnap Putin tomorrow and it wouldn't really change the short term trajectory of Russia.NTA, but Russia is probably a special case right now.
>>64719884It's an obvious point for the Chinese shills, mainly because the US administration behaves like Europe is not their most important partner, and an economic equal.
>>64719884Dunno, ask the president first. Maybe, just maybe, he's the cause.
>>64719907Where are these Russian and Chinese ships and why doesnt the US just use their base there to chase them off?
>>64719453>The fact that a president of a state could be kidnapped by SOF, doesn't it mean that nuclear war could be "won" against a nuclear power? Just send SOF, kidnap their president alongside his "nuclear football". Point a gun in the head of his wife and kids so he gives up the nuclear codes. Then proceed to nuke each airbase of that country and naval bases with nuclear bombers and SSBNs and the major cities of that country. This leaves only the patrolling SSBNs for launching a counter strike. But still, this "simple" specops mission would have transformed a massive, unmanageable nuclear exchange into a limited engagement that modern Ballistic Missile Defense (BMD) might actually be able to manage and thus win the nuclear war.That's why you make your nuclear doctrine about >>64719898>You could kidnap Putin tomorrow and it wouldn't really change the short term trajectory of Russia.You were doing so well until this part.
>>64720012Disregard this whole message. I'm retarded.
>>64719748Youll never have your dictator back
>>64719819When the USA went into gulf war 1, everyone knew and saw the build up at Rammstein and elsewhere. But not like we could stop them. I read they deployed a lot of air assets to Europe just this week in preparation for something. Probably more mid east shenanigans.
>>64720046>When the USA went into gulf war 1, everyone knew and saw the build up at Rammstein and elsewhereAnd wished the US well, and hoped they'd bomb the insane sandpeople back into the stone age.
>>64720118Not really. This was before all the jihadi shenanigans, so it was mostly seen as the US going to bomb some place for no real good reason.
>>64719478If we wanted to take out the French, we'd just give Algerian radicals a nuclear warhead and they'd ferry it to Paris using a dinghy and taxi.
>>64720046>>64720118every European country (except Germany) was there as well. even the east block countries that had just left the warshaw pact.no one was going to stop them.then during the second golf war when France told them to get bent they had to comply and work around France closing it's borders to the buildup something the burgers go so butthurt about they came up with freedom fries
>>64719725>could prevent Americans to repeat something similar>to repeat something similarHello thirdie.
>>64720143>except GermanyWasn't Germany still in the reunification talks back then? Or had just reunified?I'd have to google the exact dates.
>>64720182Their constitution was written cucked by the US. They gave logistical and financial support instead.
>>64720198Much like Japan. The last few years have done a lot of healing, though.
what should we call american vatniggers like >>64719483 ? Seeing more and more of these McPatriot derail threads.
>>64719731>What about the international order where America has to financially and militarily prop up half the world in exchange for nothing?Oh no.
>>64719453Yo is this Toropets?
>>64719453>a president of a state could be kidnappedI'd ask something else. If BEST guarded person of a state can be kidnapped by LIMITED operation, does hundreds of inconsistently staffed nuke sites have chance against full scale operation if US decided to go forward. The president would simply get a call at 3 AM that ICBM sites are going offline en masse and by the time he unlocks the "football" it would load nothing but 404.And I'm still convinced US has anti-icbm measures. I don't believe that with their budget they'd just accept the fact that norks or somebody unhinged could simply wipe LA or Florida. And the theoretical options are many so something must've been already implemented since it's never on the agenda, like it was e.g. with Reagan and starwars initiative.
>>64725858No country on earth can field a mass commando raid hitting hundreds of silos at once and the US is huge.
what are you winning by kidnapping a leader? unless you think you can get a hefty ransom all you're doing is galvanizing that nation more. shouldn't we have moved on from crusader era war tactics by now
>>64719453No.
>>64720216Protip, they aren't actually American anon. They're real vatniks just oblast posting (or you know, the paid kind located you know where) trying to stir shit up.>But anon, how can you know?A real Burger wouldn't hesitate to call a Yuro noguns and throw it in their faces. Not a single one of these posts/threads has done that but instead have focused on the usual oblastposting topics:>muh tax dollars (a classic)>yurop is homo (this one's a big giveaway)>AI sloppa of a buff Trump (see above)>specifically bringing up Poland/The BalticsIt's the little details that give them away.
>>64725935>Galvanizing the nationOh no! All the Venezuelan people who loved Maduro so much they were having protests to have him removed and only stopped when the government started fucking shooting civilians are going to now be sad he's gone?
>>64725935He has the nuclear codes?
>>64719819>They would be squashedWorse, they would surrender and give the EU tens of thousands of hostages.Good luck selling that to the population back home.
>>64719478Russia is iffy given that Priggles managed to completely bypass all of Moscow's defenses to march straight in front of the Kremlin. If he were a little more based, he could had been an international hero.
>>64719453Putin tried that and lost most of his SOF in Ukraine.
>>64725981Pringles stopped before he reached Moscow.
>>64719641imagine being French and falling for blitzkrieg. AGAIN
>>64719483Post hand and outlet real quick
>>64719785>overrun bases>before the operation has started.the smash and gran would be over before any of the eurotard conscripts even know what was happening. did you think the US would say "OK guys heads up we are launching a raid on your capitol starting.....now! Go go go go catch me if you can teehee!"Also the 11 super carrier strike groups and 12 MEU's
>>64719453It means that every US Congressman, high ranking government and military officers are now valid targets for kidnapping by foreign powers. Trump didn't think this through while his generals did not try enough to persuade him not to. Going forward, all these people have to have bodyguards and the SS to escort them when overseas. Heck, even people like tech CEOs will need more security.
>>64720216we've had a name for years, they are called "fatniks" or "figgers" for shortYou are going to be seeing a lot more them going forward as trump expands his internal and external influence ops, he/his oligarchs already owns most American traditional and social media so places like here are next
>>64725948so they change the codes, its not hard
>>64727311I'm not complaining, if trump wants to normalise killing/snatching suits on the international then that's fine by me, its long past time those smug cunts had some skin in the game
>>64719725why not do it in russia then
Kidnapping presidents is essentially assassination
>>64719453https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pre-delegation_authority>Pre-delegation authority is the practice by United States presidents to empower military commanders to initiate nuclear attacks in various circumstances. This authority is typically kept classified, so the American public has always been told that the president has the sole and exclusive authority to start nuclear war. It is not publicly known to what extent, if at all, the current U.S. president has pre-delegated their nuclear authority.[1]>The practice began in the 1950s under President Dwight D. Eisenhower and would continue through at least the administration of Jimmy Carter.[2][3] It was only officially revealed to the public in 1998 when his instructions enacting the practice were declassified.[2] Similar practices exist in other nuclear states, such as the Soviet Union and now Russia's Dead Hand system.
>>64719478>they weren't buck broken>they were bribed
>>64727345Okay zigger
>the American vassels are pissing and moaning again
>>64719453The us is the only remaining superpower and in hindsight may have always been the only superpower. The empire is in decline but if the us wants you you're going to get got.
>>64727775>vasselsSAAR
