Why is French firearm design so strange?
>>64723248They are french.
The Mas 38's bent design always nearly makes me throw up a bit.
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>>64723248Why a metal stock and a wood one?
>>64723282The CR39 is a hollow sheet-metal folding stock
>>64723300Para?
>>64723353Yeah; for paras.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKu9KDC7it4
>>64723248Why are French people so strange in general
I miss the days before Ian ruined the ouiaboo market. MAS 36s and 49/56s were cheap, good shooters, and generally in good shape. The 49 in particular was an incredible rifle for the money back then.
>>64723384Huge pride and superiority complex so they feel need to be differentOne of the reason they dont give a fuck about learning english for exemple even when the two languages are extremely close
>>64723384it's easy to forget from when you're born to age 15 you're brainwashed with so much shityou could've easily been a cannibal death cult member if the culture taught you that way and it would be totally normal to you
>>64723248French engineers prefer to be different whether that is good or bad is if the things are still in use
>>64723248Obligatory no one copies the french and the french copy no one.These are just fuckall engineers who made guns and took advice from no one. They go bang, they use a common cartridge and they're for sale, if you want one, France will probably sell them to you in bulk.
The FAMAS and FR F2 are drippy as fuck. Otherwise, I kind of agree.
>>64723248ITT angloes coping at french superiorityRoll for the future of this thread :>1. immigration destroyed France (true)>2. le rafale is bad (not true)>3. frogs don't need a carrier (retarded)>4. we got fucked on mali (not true)>5. Irak invasion was retarded (true)>6. De Gaulle was right (always)>7. Give Dassault tech to Germany pls (fuck off)>8. Grippen is better (lol,kek,lmao)>9. We are le bad and stole something from you (cope more Abdul)
>>64723535Your language is le dumb, as is any language that has a masculine and feminine "the" but at least Spanish has some rhyme and reason, French has you just memorizing if it's le or la baguette and Pierre will shit his pants if you get it wrong
>>647235350: all of them
>>64723544True but then just learn Chinese it'll be better for your small brain+ It's exactly the same in Spanish tf are you yapping about
French is the nation of idea guys>See trends way ahead of others>Shitty execution>Too early for such demand>Development is kil>Needs rise again, production ready>Improving old design? This is so below us>New design with shitty execution again>Wrecked by unoriginal krauts
>>64723248MAS 38 and SACM 35 are based>>64723250oui
>>64723544English is just a french dialect badly pronounced by a drunk saxon peasant. In any case, the truly superior language is Arabic. It sucks, but it's true.
>>64723819It looks funny, though seeing how much of the current European lexicon is arab-derived they clearly had to be on to something
>>64723819>le language that sounds like spitting and is spoken only by the lowest level of browns is better because? first time I ever see someone defend Arabic and imagine my shock : it's on brownchannel
>>64723819English is like 4 languages wrapped in one>french>latin>german>scandi
>>64723544>He says in a language that is half French loan-words.Hate on William the bastard all you want but don't shoot your foot in the process.
>>64723844I will because the German half was the better part, France's contributions are were the vast majority of English's issues amd contradictions come from
>>64723563>shitty execution not really, I would even say the money/success rate ratio is extremely high for frogs engineers, I'm a Taiwanese professor in a huge university and I'll say if you find a frog with the "engineer" title, he'll be smart as fuck, on the opposite you are rolling dices if you employ a US engineer and it really depends on the university and master program, most of them are just buzzword posers. I've even spoken to some MIT and Berkley PhD that were completely retarded and didn't even publish any papers during their PhD, they didn't even have a master kek. Anyway obviously some of US engineers are good, but I'll choose a frog any day, it's the safe choice if you can handle the terrible personality
>>64723248I honestly think they are pathological hipsters and are just being different to be different
>>64723248the guns have to be able to survive being dropped on the ground while the frog flees for its life
>>64723863TBF that because of the french education system, wich, die to it's very competitive nature produces very competent people, especially in areas like engineering.>>64723248What's the purpose of the second trigger in the machinegun?
>>64723535> 10. Can France still be saved? (Doubtful)
>>64723863Have you ever seen a French car? Those shits will confuse the fuck out of you
>>64723922Semi and full auto triggers
>>64724312Citreon I love you and your factory installed spare oil can bracket
>>64723248what's strange about it?>>64723250fpbp>>647235351. immigration destroyed France2. the Rafale is 3.6 roentgen3. if frogs could secure the borders and expel anyone who doesn't swear fealty to CHARLES MARTEL, it would be the best country in the world, even without a carrier. conversely, it can have a carrier but if the Metropole is lost to jihadis and noirs, it's still no better than 19414. Mali was a France-sized Iraq5. the invasion was not retarded; the occupation was6. Cold War France succeeded in spite of De Gaulle7. then Dassault should be charged higher prices8. strawman argument9. see 3.
>>64723248There's literally nothing strange about any of those guns
>>64723479The French should feel a lot of pride thoughbeit
The French literally invented modern artillery
>>64724312>Uhhhh have you seen the ...*Shuffle the folders*>Uhhhhhh*[Most expensive and advanced frog car of the 50s]*>HAHAAAAA >HAVE YOU SEEN THIS ADVANCED SHIT >IT'S SO HARD TO REPAIR, FROGS ARE RETARDED are you stupid ? Just buy a fucking 2cv
>>64723853Yeah that's why your language is D-Tier at best
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I can't argue with French people in good faith because there's a massive chance they aren't even white.
>>64724793Yeah, civilization comes in many colors and flavors.
>>64723535>>6. De Gaulle was right (always)Algeria is French, he was wrong, and he should have went down for it.
>>64723278The AAT-52 and its 7.62 NATO sister look so fucking badass
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>>64724821Lolno, the pieds-noirs were retarded and useless. Should've cut them off way sooner. Algeria should've been kicked out no later than 1952.
APOLOGIZE
>>64724789God I used to love this fucking thing in war thunder, I killed a T-80U with it once, good times.Such a cool and unique looking vehicle, love me some light armor.
>>64724859I've tried their cheese though, it's alright but I'm much more a fan of Italian and Spanish cheeses. Their beers are surprisingly good but that's definitely thanks to Belgian cross pollination
>>64724859I will not respect Macron anon
>>64724312Outside of the jackshaft operating the accessory drives, and the accumulators for the hydropneumatic suspension, that looks fairly straightforward.
>>64724918>>64724859the reason the fr*nch of 900 different types of cheese is because they've consistently failed to re-invent Cheddar
>>64723494>you could've easily been a cannibal death cult member>implying you aren't
>>64723248>fusil means gun>all the guns are called MASWhy? Also wtf is the FAMAS? Fusil A Militaires something something?
>>64725008MAS is the Manufacture d'Armes de Saint-Étienne, the le manufacturer.
>>64724972trvkethat said, Camembert is probably my favourite cheese, all said and done>>64725025in the immortal words of Simon Murray: "the French like to name their weapons the way they name their wines"
>>64724972>>64725039>muh orange tinted cheesebeans on toast eating weirdos actually believe this
>>64723278That's actually a pretty solid lineup in the post-WWII era.>'67-'78Oh. Well then.
>>64723248I'm french and find the french firearms fancy for no reason. My favorite weapons are german ones.
>>64725092it's basically a simple peasant cassoulet modified for not having any meat, don't knock itmyself, I add bacon or ham or spam, and onions and garlic, and it turns back into a cassoulet.
>>64723479>One of the reason they dont give a fuck about learning english for exempleI had english lessons in primary school back in the 90s and all the way to university. The problem is that the courses and methods are very bad.I've learned more from watching tv shows with subtitles than I ever did in class.the french education system has been complete garbage since the 80s (thanks to the socialists).
>>64725158Oui, les socialistes sont la gangrène du système politique. Si Mélenchon passe, j'attente à sa vie.
>>64725171>Mélenchon >socialistes lolEt juste pour être clair, je preferais un system éducatif bien plus progressiste à la Finlandaise plutot que le système actuel
>>64725171>>64725190I'm sure it has nothing to do with mass migration
Western education in general has been shit ever since they pivoted too hard away from memorisingYES, you need logic, critical thinking, and synthesisbut guess what?you need to KNOW AND REMEMBER shit in order to reason, critique, and synthesise
>>64725208it does but that's the point, the current system cannot cope with mass migration.it's not strict enough to keep things orderly and it's not "flexible" enough to adapt to it so you end up in this shitty situation where smart kids suffer from the chaos and the retards are not handled in a way to make them useful
>>64723819>English is just a french dialect badly pronounced by a drunk saxon peasant.It's a badly pronounced dialect of German with some French/Latin loanwords.>In any case, the truly superior language is Arabic.Yep, you're French, alright.
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>>64725119Yeah, they had some weirdly anachronistic loadouts.
>>64723819>superior language is ArabicWhy? I have heard German called the best language for technical stuff thanks to flexible vocabulary, or Czech being praised as perfect language for instructions because it can be extremely unambiguous, or Tagalog and Indonesian hailed for easy learning.Can you name the advantages of Arabic, as I'm not familiar with it?
>>64723544Shut up, or kill yourself, kindly.>>64724859>I was unfamiliar with the french nuclear doctrine>I was unaware of Charles De Gauls warningI will respect you. I just considered you arrogant, egocentric, over the alps Europeans, but you do things right. Only, the moiunt Blanc peak belongs to both of our countries, stop trying to manipulate history.
>>64723544>You are language is dumbThis anon is monolingual and still only reads and writes at a 6th grade level.
>>64723248>>64723278>We need a service rifle for our early 20th century technology alternate universe
>>64725331>I have heard German called the best language for technical stuff thanks to flexible vocabularymaybe if you really like compound words
>>64724799England occupied the coastal region France way out inland as fur traders in smaller number you dimwit French had no chance they were too little involved small in number
>>64725428>I know at least 3 different languagesMonolingual is a blessing, it means I don't have to deal with foreigners and those that do come my way bend to my will and speak in my tongue. Can the French say the same?
>>64725334No, maybe the motherfucker that thinks it's okay to base the possessive pronoun on the possessed object instead of the possessor should though. Look me in the eyes and tell me "sa mére" makes more sense than "her mom". Also fuck the ô, it serves no purpose and doesn't affect pronunciation at all which is the entire fucking point of an accent mark
not weapons anymore
>>64723819>Gendered grammar>Alphabet is far too similar with trivially small deviations (We got a few like l and I but they have multiples where the only difference is one small dot (Or two or three) between two different letters.Might be good spoken, but it sure isn't written. Frankly that's an issue with French I detested. It's ABOMINABLE. ABOMINABLE. For fucking speaking/hearing. The syllables are all swallowed up and you've all seen the ta tante ta tant taunt tant thing. While yes there's buffalo buffaloing buffalo in English that's a very esoteric use of the word whereas https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_a_1Qji_Dg has a lot of homonyms for words you'd encounter in regular use (Just not to the extreme they give examples of).We certainly have issues in English but French's popularity was purely because, like I said with Arabic below, for a spell the French were high on the hog and exporters of court culture. THough I am hypocritical in that I'd say English is that both because of the Angles and now us Americans but also that it's fundamentally easier to work with due to lack of gendered nouns and a far more relaxed grammar. Nobody in English enforces fewer versus less while that's still a fundamental rule in french (des frites vs du sucre).>>64723827It's because the Arabs or their Turk successors were top dogs for a spell. Cotton or various agricultural shit having an arabic root is becuase they were good at agriculture in Spain rather than because the language itself is inherently good.
>>64725651>he really still doubts that the pen is mightier than the sword
>>64725331Arabic has very straightforward grammar.
>>64725715They say the pen is mightier than the sword, but I say fuck the pen. 'Cause you can die by the sword.
>>64723248lol, in norway- you had/have to go trough arts and crafts school to become a gun smith.. but to actually do anything of value, to be able to create something new- you are almost forced to become an engineer foremost, and the issue with that is our legal framework around who gets to make weapons.. so usually arts and crafts tards wins out, (by this i mean in legal capabilities).. and if you have been indoctrinated to hang with the arts and craft bunch, how can you pick the most logical design choice, most likely you'll base it out of look XD
>>64725521> you dimwit FrenchCalm down anonDid you know that the sun now sets on the British empire every day but not on France?
>>64723248I got a Mas 49/56 recently that's a rusty pos beater but god DAMN is it accurate
>>64727187I have a Syrian contract 49. If you intend to handload, you can make cases from 6.5X55 Swede. (giving you an excuse to buy another stupidly fun rifle). Also, you will want a lightweight firing pin. I made one from a chunk of 7075, but I bet you can still source one from the internets. The reason is, French primers are very insensitive, to prevent out of battery detonations. If you handload 7.5X54 using common U.S. large rifle primers, and try to fire them in many MAS49's you will end up with a shocking, but also very controllable machine gun. It seems to produce a cyclic rate of around 450 RPM.
>>64725899B R V T A L !
>>64725521Imagine being a Brit.>Base your entire national identity on "the sun never sets.">2025: Give away a few rocks in the Indian Ocean.The loop breaks.>The sun officially sets on your "Empire" for an hour every night.Darkness. Just like the future of your Britain.Meanwhile, Pierre across the channel is laughing in 12 time zones.>French Guiana, Reunion, Tahiti, Mayotte.>France actually kept its land while you were busy "decolonizing" yourself into a rainy rock in the North Sea.The sun literally never sets on the French Republic.>Napoleon_and_de_Gaulle_cumshoting_you.png
>>64723819English is mainly German.
>>64723819Arabic is all "As">>64724422And Germany perfected it.
>>64723248they are inimitable yet it is for the best
>>64725292To be fair, when you're going up against room-temp Afro-commies, it's still a fairly viable loadout.
>>64724312>>64724789Es ist wunderschön.
>>64723248Not gonna lie, I like the look of the MAS 36, 38 and 49.
>>64725521yeah but we still won, didn't we ? And guillaume stil won, didn't he ? Soo ....
>>64724918>>64724972>>64725039I respect their cheese, unlike their wine, and they deserve the pride they have for it.Also, am I a basic botch for having Roquefort as my favorite? But none of that crumbly stuff- I want a solid slab so green that it is almost actually blue.
>>64723248THE FRENCH FUCK WITH THEIR FACEAND FIGHT WITH THEIR FEET.THE ONLY THING ANY OF THEM EVER WASH IS THEIR PUSSIES.YOU ASK WHY THEY CAN'T MAKE MACHINES PROPERLY???HELL I CAN'T BELIEVETHEY HAVEN'T DIED OUT YET.
>>64732143> am I a basic botch for having Roquefort as my favorite?Kinda, but it's popular for a reasonYou could try other blue cheese. Gorgonzola is my favourite by far
>>64732143>unlike their wineReally? Even the bitch basic Bourgueil is pretty good.
>>64725570Being monolingual leaves you dumber by default.
>>64724799>Finland>By Germany 1917Bro no. While Finnish independence was dependent on Germany defeating Russia in WW1, the only country that can be granted the title of "creating Finland" is Russia.>Russia created the grand duchy of Finland after conquering it from Sweden.>Russia gave Finland internal autonomy in the mid 1800's>Lenin, the leader of commie Russia, approved Finlands independence in 1917(1918)
>>64731304Dunno, a dialect of Dutch that first got raped by Danes and afterwards by French-speaking Danes probably would be a more accurate description.
>>64723278>the second grenadier is armed like the team leader >the first and third grenadier are armed the same as eachotherbad formatting reeeee. the french will pay for this.
>>64723819It mostly Dutch. Any French words in English are loan words. And arabic sucks, there is a reason why english is the trade language.
>>64733578Im unsure how MAS rifle nades work but perhaps the second guy is meant for chucking while first and third are for launching?
>>64723544>le or la baguette that's actually a prime example of genders in French, if it ends on a -example it's feminine and thus lathere are ofc a few exceptions but if you stick to that rule you'll get 99.99% of words right.And it's not like English hasn't got a fuck to of exceptions
>>64723563>Improving old designIdk mate half there stuff uses not just old parts but the SAME parts from older weaponsAmerica really is the leader in evolutionary improvement
>>64724409True, they’re just ugly to look at.
>>64723248When it comes to engineering there's a saying: The French copy no one and no one copies the French.
>>64723842>English is like 4 languages wrapped in oneDon't forget that a significant chunk of our vocabulary is ancient Greek. Not modern Greek, ANCIENT Greek. It's an incredibly easy language to learn and speak but it's a bitch to figure out the pronunciations in writing because you're working with 5 separate language grammars. I've heard arguments that modern English could be considered a creole language and I think that's valid.
>>64724831They are not gay! Kill yourself! You faggot!
>>64737109That is just how they say hello in France?
>>64735466>America really is the leader in evolutionary improvementProbably, just keep in mind that you consistently fail to domestically design a service weapon that's truly simple and easy to maintain without extra equipment and/or effort. Which weirdly contrasts American automotive practices throughout most of the 20th century.
>>64723248Nobody copies the French, and the French copy no one (except when they do.
>>64723535rolling for you know qui
>>64723479I thought French was very different from Germanic languages?
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>>64725092Cheddar (as in actual cheddar, not the cheap Kraft garbage), is objectively the best cheese you can put on a hamburger.
>>64738273English is a Germanic language where like 30% of the vocabulary is French and another 30% is Latin or Greek.
