In the case of Dueling with pistols.How did one increase the chances of not getting shoot.Like i understand shooting first but also what else went into it?
Nothing. The point is to stand still and take it to show your bravery.
It's a duel so you're supposed to go there with friends and have one shoot the guy first.
>>64726775>Like i understand shooting first but also what else went into it?Shooting accurately. If both people miss then that means there'll be another round.
The stupidity of standing there to be shot is the entire point
>>64727120I thought that meant they shook hands and called it a day
>>64727149In some countries at later periods, the dueling went on until there was "satisfaction" from both parties. Assuming you really pissed someone off, they might insist on continuing. Before then, duels to first blood were common, and duels to the death have always been somewhat rare in civilized society.
>>64726775Don't get into a duel? Have the other guy perish in an accident of your choosing on his way to the duel?
>>64726775Actual, non bullshit answer?>Practice and positioning. There were schools, and forms that reduced one's chances of getting hit. The classic pistol form of "one arm, standing sideways" is one holdover from pistol dueling, in that it reduces one's hittable area, and maximizes potential survival if hit.
>>64726783Limp wristing was like a fine art
Only a man with the tenacity to endure being hit and fire a fatal shot can become president.
>>64727214>The classic pistol form of "one arm, standing sideways" is one holdover from pistol duelingTrue.>it reduces one's hittable area, True. You are making yourself a slightly smaller target.>and maximizes potential survival if hit.Absolutely false. If you are facing your target and take a lung shot, for example, it only gets one lung, and there is a small chance for survival; if you're standing sideways, the shot might take both lungs at once (there's a reason hunters prefer hitting their game from the side rather than from the front), and it increases the risk of hitting other vitals. The risk of making yourself a smaller target will also line up your vitals for the guy shooting at you.
I'd go prone. Smallest frontal target and most stable shooting position and no one would ever forget it.
>>64728193Bunny hop + dolphin dive, works every time
>>64727236Protip: Stop using words you don't know the meaning of. You will come off as less of an imbecile that way.
>>64726775Be thin.Standing side-on was the common stance.>Wear a corset They were fashionable for men back then, it thins your fat gut hit-box, it may may deflect a slow musket ball - or it may make it worse with secondary damage. >Wrap your body in layers of silk.Same slimming, it might deflect a grazing shot, again it may make it easier to remove the ball if it is slowed on impact.>Run awayIf you move 100 miles away you can start your life over with nobody knowing you were a coward.
>>64727214Also believe it or not men wore corsets and blowsy frilly shirts. Try and corral-up the old vitals and make'em guess at the location,PS - fuck football = SHOOTING has always been and damn well better be AMERICA'SFAVORITE SPORT (after fukkn, that is)
>>64726775The pistols were as deadly as modern 32 ACP rounds. You could die if you get very unlucky but mostly it will just hurt a lot.
>>64726775Supposedly they wore layered silk vests that took some of the energy.
>>64732618The cartridge responsible for the most deaths in the world is .22 LR. From cowboys shooting at natives to mobsters executing their rivals, we know it doesn't take that much energy to kill a person.
>>64726775By far the highest chance of not getting shoot - not agreeing to a duel in the first place
>>64735215>The cartridge responsible for the most deaths in the world is .22 LR.Reminder that this is a completely made up statistic
>>64735270prove it
>>64727916During the time dueling was practiced it made zero fucking difference if you took a single-lung hit or a double one. Either one meant death. Hell, in the days before antibiotics even a relatively minor gunshot wound could easily have been lethal, perhaps not immediate but certainly after several days of agonizing infection.
>>64735270If you have proof of that then by all means share it. Otherwise, it's very reasonable. .22LR has been around for a long fucking time, much longer than any other cartridge in common use, and most of that time was before modern medicine.
>>64735235>not agreeing to a duel in the first placeNot starting a duel, maybe.But if someone requests to duel you, and you decline, wouldn't you just be branded the town pussy? Imagine being looked down upon as a coward for the rest of your life.
>>64726775its about showing your conviction, its not about winning or losing
>>64735402>you just be branded the town pussyyes. you'd specifically be called a "poltroon", which basically means mega coward.
>>64735393>WogdonProbably the most famous maker of dueling pistols there ever was.
>>64728473saw a guy jump out of his pants doing that once
>>64735270Guy who brought up the statistic here. It's hard to find data tracing all the way back to 1887, but it was a popular cartridge back during the days of the cowboy era, the Saturday night special era, and in some countries where ammo used by police and military is banned, it is still popular. The reason why it's not recommended for self-defense is because while it can kill, it's very bad at incapacitating someone that's full of adrenaline fro a fight or flight scenario.
>>64735393>During the time dueling was practiced it made zero fucking difference if you took a single-lung hit or a double one. Either one meant death. Hell, in the days before antibiotics even a relatively minor gunshot wound could easily have been lethal, perhaps not immediate but certainly after several days of agonizing infection.All the more reason that the claim...>and maximizes potential survival if hit.... is false. Furthermore, during the ancient period, Alexander the Great was shot by an arrow in the chest and survived. It’s not recorded how he was treated, but some people just got lucky and did in fact survive a collapsed lung/pneumothorax, assuming they lost one lung and not both of them.
Since the guy being challenged was the one choosing the weapons, couldn't he choose bare-knuckle boxing? Or was there a dueling ban on bare hands?
>>64735453I used to work for a guy who was the technical editor for the world's largest antique arms publishing house, he worked on a book about these things. One of the things i always thought interesting was that the better made a dueling pistol was the more useless it was for normal use, they were optimized for very specific ranges.
>>64735529>All the more reason that the claim is falsenot necissarily. that reason is bullshit, but turning your body sideways presents a smaller target, there's no bullshit involved there.>Furthermore, Alexander the GreatYeah, Phineas Gage's story is impressive too, but I'm not going to use statistical outliers as useful anecdotes. Most people that took a significant chest wound in the ancient world would have died from it.
>>64735554That's a good question. Boxing was not considered ungentlemanly, but I think the whole point of a duel was that it was potentially lethal. The idea was that you were so upset with someone else's behavior that you were willing to risk your life in making that statement. You're basically saying, "I'm so pissed at you that I'm willing to risk dying for it".
>>64735562>turning your body sideways presents a smaller target, there's no bullshit involved there.I addressed that in my original comment. See... >>64727916>True. You are making yourself a slightly smaller target.... but it absolutely does not...>>64727214>maximizes potential survival if hit.>statistical outliersAnon, the survival rates were low but not that low as to call them a statistical outlier from Napoleonic times until WW1 lots of advancements were made to help these people. See this article I saved a while back. https://www.mactheknife.org/Chest_Trauma/History.html
>>64735725>I addressed that in my original comment.I'm aware. I was agreeing with you.
>>64726775>How did one increase the chances of not getting shoot.>shootFirst off, you fucking pleb, learn how to spell.Second, do the obvious thing of standing in a position to make yourself as small as possible. But a dumbass like you should stand in the St Andrew position and do society a huge favor.Third, DO NOT wear any type of clothing above the waist and make sure the clothes you do wear and yourself is clean. I know you're going to ask why so I'll spoon feed you- If you do get shot you'll most likely either die immediately or within hours due to shot placement (rare), or die days/weeks later because of infection (common).
>>64735856You sound like such a sad, pathetic, angry little man. What’s it like having no friends?
>>64735880NTA but what's it like to be a pathetic OP stalking your thread on fucking /k/ of all places?
>>64735393Yeah just look at Garfield when he got shot. It was not by any means a fatal wound but they couldn't locate the bullet and were literally digging around with their bare fingers in the wound.
>>64735612So... cestes then? Those things were quite often lethal.
