If black powder guns aren't legally firearms, does that mean I can easily buy and carry multiple revolvers for defense?
>>64726990Is there a reason you can't do that with modern revolvers now? ATF doesn't classify them as firearms but legally they are still weapons. Odds are your State or City has a law/ordnance against carrying them if they prevent open/concealed carry already.
>>64726990>If black powder guns aren't legally firearmsClose, but not quite.Specifically, it's anything made before 1899, and muzzleloaders, which are exempt. Black powder cartridge guns made in 1899 or afterward are legally firearms.>can I carry themThat comes down to local law, not Federal. Just because the ATF doesn't consider them firearms doesn't mean your local laws won't restrict them by some other definition. Plus, even if they aren't "firearms" under federal law, they certainly are "weapons".
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>>64726990Yeah just wear around a brace of pistols, it should work well.
>>64726990Loaded and ready to shoot they are legally considered firearms for most purposes
>>64726990I can't decide which cap and ball revolver was the most beautiful, the Remington 1858 or the Colt 1860 army.
>>64726990>f black powder guns aren't legally firearms, does that mean I can easily buy and carry multiple revolvers for defense?noa loaded black powder weapon becomes a firearm the moment it is usedfun fact in most juristictions a banana in your pocket becomes a firearm if used to rob a bankSo any situation you might LEGALLY use a firearm you can use a loaded BP weapon and if you don't have the right to carry a firearm or use on in a public place then you are fucked
>>64728671>Colt 1860 army.no contest, points better too
>>64726990Yeah, but some states have their own additional restrictions and limitations on purchasing, owning, and carrying BP muzzleloaders. Isn't it funny how "states' rights" usually just means the state's right to try to control you?It's also a fast and dirty loophole if you can't normally buy guns for some reason or another and decide you're done playing the game and want to "quit to menu"The state doesn't care about protecting you from yourself, it only cares about protecting itself from you
>>64727000Trips wasted on a retard.
>>64728671>>64728812No top strap is unaesthetic.
>>64727005Also for consideration; the conversation you'll have to have with your inbred police officer/deputy about "no sir this black powder revolver isn't legally considered a firearm by law, I can carry it anywhere I want".Legal or not, you're just asking for trouble at that stage.
>>64726990Felons can also have airguns in the ushttps://youtu.be/BdUtoVEE8uA?si=EWd7li8aYUIx1ifE
>>64728671As an owner of both, I like the feelOf the Colt more but the Remington is more accurate.Do you want the rear sight on your top strap or on your hammer?
>>647271502022 Pietta 1860 3" snubbies hell-worked down to 1849 Pocket OAL with gennie 1849 grip frames, grip-blanks. Cut down trigger guard, shortened mainsprings. 5.56 NATO green chamber lasers in disused rammer-holes.Triplex-loaded = 4gr 4F Swiss, paper, 25 gr Triple se7en, 2,5 gr WW 231 Smokeless Ball Powder. Same KE as 5" .45 auto 350 fl/lbs, 600 Joule. Waterproof and impossible to cap jam.
>>64732528>chamber laserThats clever
>>64732538In the last BP thread a guy showed an 1849 Pocket Model reworked to double Action. If there is a chance in hell of copying that = these would become DA-ONLY and the hammer spurs eliminated = perfection. Of course - I would then (since I know what I would be doing then) - I would buy a NEW PAIR AND START ALL OVER :D
>>64726990Before you go into a firefight strapped like captain jack sparrow consider this: we're 150 years into the future, most of the people who own these are recreational shooters, and only felons buy these for self defense.
>>64732943On the last BP thread I explained it this way:NFA provides for NICS. '68-'78 anyone whose State Gun Rights were restored - NICS was updated to reflect that in like 30 days.'78 to''88 Feds just said "Nope. We ain't giving you your rights back" and had people believing it could be true. '88 the Big Court said if a State gives somebody their rights back and notifies NICS they have to take them off the list. So by '98 they (Congress) put NICS under it's own umbrella not the ATF. And they defunded it.That has been a pretty hard nut to crack for the reason the State's AG can't tell Congress what to fund. So My Plains State has organizations athat look up people like me and suggest they take Concealed Carry Classes. I did so with my own legally in state purchased handguns (twins also) and after got my CCW NICS STILL wouldn't take me off the list. As I said I roam the Ten Plains States on Business looking for stuff to buy and sell. It's my job. It involves cash. But when you get off the main highways half the time you're not in the State you thought you were. I don't feel like having an argument about firearms rights or anything else with a Peace Officer who is pretty much bound to go with best information which would be NICS. DESPITE having a valid CCW in my Home State. I am going to tell you like I told the last guy - I get stopped in an extremely rural area I immediately pull them out, handle them by the barrel - and set theim on the roof of the the truck. Giving them the little four finger "shoo" gesture to put them out of reach. There you go - look 'em over all you want. Those are not NFA "Firearms". Now - on to he traffic stop which was really just a curiosity stop, anyway.
>>64732943Laser sights really help when firing fast.I use fore and index finger so I only get two shots per "fan". No point in firing if the thing isn't lined up on target. All the force is in getting the hammer backed up off the cap, It takes nothing to hold the hammer back on my guns because of the shortened main springs. Another reason I have never had a cap jam is the hammer falls and DOES NOT BOUNCE, DOES NOT LIFT at an estimated 22,000psi chamber pressure.No idea how slowly I fire all six but it is for sure a LOT faster than thumb-cocking it. I never practice at more than 30 FEET anyway. Never considered the idea of having a stand up gun fight with anyone. Really if these things outclass a sword or machete = job done.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pHfljylWbOI
>>64732943If you learn your loads, you can get respectable performance out of guns like the Diablo. Muzzle energy rivaling a .357 without crossing the "smokeless" line, but it's a manual action.
>everyone carrying a big hog leg>not a shop keeperyou cowhands are just looking for a fight.
>>64726990No, just like with knives. You almost assuredly own long kitchen knives that were very easy to buy, but a lot of places restrict the size of knife you can carry around if you can have one on you at all.
>>64731327Factually incorrect. Open top revolvers are the most aesthetic. And you don’t even know what they’re called. Do you even own a gun?
>>64732923Too lazy to look in the archives, but did he ever say how he managed to convert it into a double-action?
>>64732943Counter-argument: There's a piece of lead in your chest.
>>64731323>Trips wasted on a retard.Boohoo, it's sad that you are so butthurt over random numbers, massive turbo faggot.
>>64732528> that finishI expected more.
>>64734676When you consider that I increased the muzzle energy of a 3" percussion .44 revolver no less than than 4 times without overstressing it - imagine a Diablo with standard 12 gauge pressure of 18,500 psi driving a .690 round ball then entire length of of an X? - long barrel. They joke about "wrist breaker" pistols but I'm pretty sure an optimally-loaded Diablo would be the prime example. What I'm saying is "optimally-loaded" would be about DOUBLE as hellish as standard 12ga 2.75 shell fired out of a barrel that short ! = O U C H !!!!
>>64735717No and my "optimize my unique pocket-bombs" -"hardon" is figuratively "damp on the end" tofind out ! However it was done is NOT on the web . . . damn those independent gun-autists!
>>64735766Sigh - the wedges in these things are TIGHT.They are fitted as nicely as I am able and I STILL have to beat the fucking things both in and out.At the end of the day - they are tools. Kill a jihadi-nigger just as dead as if I had made custom hydraulic wedge remover and wedge-replacer. < If I cold have figured out how to do both jobs without building TWO machines - then I surely would have done so. Anyway - thanks for noticing >------> your reward below, Sir.
>>64735766May 12th, 1993
>>64736042Sucks to hear. Considering the trigger shape, I'm curious if he had taken some parts from one of the Colt 1877 variants and fitted them inside of the gun.
