A decent semi-auto DMR is better than AR style rifles for a guerilla. Prove me wrong.
>>64731300>Prove me wrongWhy are you being so aggressive? That is like a red flag, dude.
>>64731300This never happened.
>>64731300>A decent semi-auto DMRLike an AR-10?
>>64731300Was that the Olympic marksman that went to Iraq to remove ZOGbots?
>>64731324https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2004/4/6/dozen-us-marines-killed-in-ramadi-attackRamadi was a clusterfuck for marines, they took lots of casualties. And to be fair to the author, he didn't say they were all killed or just rendered casualties, a distinction often confused by civilians. It's entirely possible he grblefg tjy sd mdrsafe and git igmfgrotyion sdcnod hjnf
>>64731440Ah that makes sense
>America is winning today>I have to bring up the oldies to numb the paininb4 vietnaaaaaaammmmm
>>64731594What does that have to do with the dragunov being a good rifle with a proven combat record and DMRs being better for resistance than ARs?
>>64731300With body armor being more prevalent than ever I’ve come to the conclusion that you’re better off with more rounds to get potential hits on weak points but in terms of being a single man, a sniper/dmr is probably best in terms of taking shots and getting the fuck out. Doctrine is pinning down the enemy and maneuvering on them anyways so in an actual engagement you’re fucked if you don’t have friends. But yes, harassment and terrorism is the answer.
>>64731300God damn it, OP. I keep going back and forth on whether I want an AR-10 or an AR-15. Every time I think I've made up my mind, sometime like you comes along and posts some shit like this. Yes, I'm poor.No, I'm not trading in my deer rifle. No, I'm not selling my bussy.
>>64731708>DMRs being better for resistance than ARs?what does that even mean? They're better for sniping people at range, sure, but 'resistance' is going to involve a lot more people doing a lot more than just that. You're not going to keep a fuckin dragunov strapped in a waistband/coat/bag/ready to go from inside a car. You can just have more than one gun and switch em out depending on what your plans are that friday evening.
>>64731300If you are getting into a shootout as a guerilla, you've already lost.Conceptualize "explosive emptiness." To the eyes of your enemy, that is all there should be. He sees nothing; the area is empty. And then he explodes.
>>64731300>A decent semi-auto DMR is better than AR style rifleLet's wait until this guy finds out about the AR-10.>>6473144012 Marines did die on the first day of the battle of Ramadi (April 4, 2004); I highly doubt it was due to a single enemy sniper. Most of the fighting was CQB. The guy you are responding to is right; that article is incorrect, as not all 12 men were from 1 squad. The 2nd battalion had been split up into multiple squads for that battle.>>64731732>God damn it, OP. I keep going back and forth on whether I want an AR-10 or an AR-15. Every time I think I've made up my mind, sometime like you comes along and posts some shit like this. Every civilian gun owner wants a DMR, until they realize the cost of shooting the ammo, and then they are back to shilling intermediate cartridges.>Yes, I'm poor.Sounds like the decision was made for you. Can you afford to show up to the range with 120-200 rounds of whatever round you chose (.308, 6.5 Creedmoor, 7.62x54mm R, 8mm Mauser, etc.).>No, I'm not trading in my deer rifle.Good, you shouldn't.>No, I'm not selling my bussy.What you do in your spare time is none of my business.>>64731708 >>64731708>the dragunov being a good rifleNobody has claimed otherwise.>DMRs being better for resistance than ARs?Wait a second, have you been using "AR style rifles" as "assault rifles" and not "Armalite rifles"? Before I typed all this, I should have known we were talking to a nogunz; using "AR" to mean "assault rifle" is something gamers do, not gun owners. BTW, in that battle you underlined, the guys with assault rifles killed over 250 insurgents while only losing 34 people, not too shabby for the "ARs" you claim are inferior.
>>64731819This is what most of the wannabe revolutionaries should know. Not to encourage such behaviors but if one was serious about fighting the government, stop studying gunfighting and marksmanship and learn explosive chemistry and cyber warfare
>>64731330he went to iraq to kill yuros?
>>64731998>Wait a second, have you been using "AR style rifles" as "assault rifles" and not "Armalite rifles"?No, I meant armalite rifles style rifles, which are far and away the most popular long arm in America and the weapon of choice for people who larp about taking on the government.The fuck is your problem?
>>64733197>weapon of choice for people who larp about taking on the government.A common anti-gun strawman. About one-third of the country is a gun owner; if one-third of the nation were in favor of violence against the government, we'd see that violence every day.>The fuck is your problem?I don't have a problem. I merely pointed out that your choice of words makes you sound like a nogunz gamer that's LARPing. Going back to your topic, like I said, the AR you claim is inferior ended up getting way more kills in the Battle of Ramadi (2004) than your precious Dragunov. The Dragunov is great, but it's not magic; there are way more factors to consider than a small arm in a conflict.
>>64731300>A decent semi-auto DMR is better than AR style rifles for a guerilla. Prove me wrong.Ar-15 is a decent semi-auto DMR, ergo ar-15 is now doubly best rifle. Checkmate OP.
>>64735199>Going back to your topic, like I said, the AR you claim is inferior ended up getting way more kills in the Battle of Ramadi (2004) than your precious Dragunov. The Dragunov is great, but it's not magic; there are way more factors to consider than a small arm in a conflict.This would only be a valid comparison if every insurgent was armed with a dragunov, and every american with an M16 which is patently not the case.There's so much else going on in a battle of this kind for that to ever be a valid. And anyway, the vast majority of american kills would have been support of fires of one kind or another, helicopter gunships, mortars, artillery etc. etc.Nevertheless the dragunov did well, and to wipe out a squad is no small feat, especially when that squad has support of that kind available to it.
>>64735967>This would only be a valid comparison if every insurgent was armed with a dragunov, and every american with an M16 which is patently not the case.Anon, the very pic that was posted made the false claim that 12 marines died to 1 Dragunov (not all marines who died that day were in the same squad; they died on different parts of the battlefield). What you just stated right now helps disprove that very claim.>Nevertheless the dragunov did well, and to wipe out a squad is no small featExcept it didn't do that. No record of that battle shows that all 12 died to a Dragunov, much less the same Dragunov. All you have is one journalist claiming it and you latching on to it with 0 proof.
>>64731998why does every civilian gun owner want a dmr?
This whole thread is just another piece of thirdie spam like the rest we've been getting hit by.
>>64736066It was a bit of an exaggeration, but the thing is that liking guns means you either like the engineering aspect, the aesthetic, and/or marksmanship. If you're in the marksmanship crowd, then you'll naturally want to gravitate towards precise guns that can reach farther ranges; a PCC or a rifle in an intermediate cartridge just won't scratch that itch.
>>64735199You're talking to that schizo who refuses to recognize the existence of assault rifles other than the AR and has very weird views about battle rifles and assault rifles. Don't bother engaging.
>>64736010So naturally you have some proof the journalist is wrong>>64736092No that's just your schizo take because you came barrelling in here seething about nothing while looking for a fight. I just want to talk about dragunovs and how they're cool.
>>64736159>So naturally you have some proof the journalist is wrongI already stated there is no battlefield record that supports his claim. It's up to the person making the claim, which would have been him but in this case is you, who screenshotted and reposted the claim to prove it is correct. Otherwise it's not even an anecdote, just hearsay from a tertiary source who doesn't know what he doesn't know.
>>64736066Because actually fighting it out with another force is dangerous and what it's what the henchmen who die in droves do in the movies they watch. A sniper lets them imagine that they'll be somewhere safe while also tickling the power fantasy they have about being some sort of elite.It's just loser behavior for people who get bullied. They want to be Chris Kyle, killing everyone with impunity, not Marine #7 who shoots some stuff and then gets fragged by an RPG.
>>64736175>I already stated there is no battlefield record that supports his claimI don't believe you know that. I think you're working off news reports from other journalists to make that claim. I don't think you have gone through every single battlefield report the US army and the marines made for April 2006 in Ramadi, and I don't even believe you would have access to that information. I'm not even sure you could get it from a FOIA request.And it's all moot anyway because the POINT of the thread is that a DMR rifle is a better option for a guerilla than an AR or, in fact, any other type of rifle.I thought the excerpt was fun, I didn't expect a weirdo to come in and start screeching and sperging out at me.
>>64736194>I don't think you have gone through every single battlefield report the US army and the marines made for April 2006 in RamadiAh, further proof that you don't know what you don't know. The Battle of Ramadi 2004 and the Battle of Ramadi 2006 are two separate events; the screenshot was referencing the 2004 battle. Feel free to go back to your own screenshot and reread what you had underlined.>And it's all moot anyway because the POINT of the thread is that a DMR rifle is a better option for a guerilla than an AR or, in fact, any other type of rifle.Prove it. You've failed to do so, and the burden of proof lies on the one making the claim.>I didn't expect a weirdo to come in and start screeching and sperging out at me.This is called projecting. I've been rather calm while you've been whining that I have some "problem" against you whenever you can't defend your own points. I reiterate... >>64736175>It's up to the person making the claim, which would have been him but in this case is you, who screenshotted and reposted the claim to prove it is correct. Otherwise it's not even an anecdote, just hearsay from a tertiary source who doesn't know what he doesn't know.
No you didn't, you just wanted to jerkoff about dead Americans with such a ridiculous fantasy scenario.
>>64736209>Ah, further proof that you don't know what you don't know. The Battle of Ramadi 2004 and the Battle of Ramadi 2006 are two separate events; the screenshot was referencing the 2004 battle. Feel free to go back to your own screenshot and reread what you had underlined.That was clearly a typo you absolute sperg
>>64736194>>64736233>Fails to prove point. Starts whining and focusing on the person who disagrees with him.I accept your defeat. Btw, 6 is pretty far from 4; your lame excuse would have been more believable if it had been a 5 or a 3. Furthermore, if you do ever get the chance to own a gun, I do hope you can get that Dragunov that you're fantasizing about.
>>64731998>Every civilian gun owner wants a DMR, until they realize the cost of shooting the ammo, and then they are back to shilling intermediate cartridgesI'd also argue that it's harder to train with a DMR and there's the glass cost up front as well. I don't see the point in a full rifle round for under 300 yds and you really should be training for 400-600 yds minimum if you want to take advantage of a DMR. Where I live you're not getting a shot on anything over 200 yds unless it's a pre-planned ambush or something so intermediate is just fine for me.
>>64731300>12 Marines were sniped Why do thirdies lie so much?
>>64740187>>12 Marines were sniped >Why do thirdies lie so much?OP is doing it because "AR bad, Dragunov good," apparently.
>>64740875Which is kinda funny because a civilian AR with your run of the mill free floated handguard will outshoot an svd quite easily.
>>64731819>>64732009This. Guns are useless, dynamite is the actual great equalizer.
>>64731732You can hunt deer and pull home defense with the AR10, I'd recommend the Ruger SFAR as it's more on the affordable side and has a short receiver. Intermediate caliber rifles are too big for the pussy ass compromise calibers they shoot, so they should be SBRs or bullpups. Small bullets should come in small packages, and that's why the AR platform sucks ass when in an Intermediate caliber. It needs a longer barrel to get good performance out of that round and the stock can't even fold.
>>64741254While a 2 MOA gun is kind of mediocre in modern times. It's still impressive for the Soviet Union to pull off a 500-600 yard gun.
>>64742090It's not a 2 MOA gun and it's not a 600 yard gun anymore than ak is 1000m gun. It's a basic lightweight semiauto with nothing special or unique about it, bland and mediocre for its time and with a quirky clusterfuck of a scope on it to boot.Modern svd variants with heavy barrels, free floated handguards and not milled by shaking dead drunk soviet hands to a tighter fit is a decent 1.5-2 MOA gun.
>>64731300AR style rifles with a hunting scope are decent semi-auto DMRs.
>>64731300AR style rifles are semiauto DMRs. What are you even thinking?A cheap 556 PSA is more accurate and has the same effective range or better than a cold war sniper rifle.
>>64742166Anon, I wasn't the guy/OP shilling it. I was just stating that the accurized rifles they were making were around that ballpark.
>>64742213You're still overselling it though, that's the point.
>>64731732Well you already have a hunting rifle so you should probably get the shortest/lightest AR-15 possible to complement it. If it is mutually exclusive, get the tool that does the job your current one CAN'T do.
>>64731440>aljazeera
>>64736066>why does every civilian gun owner want a dmr?Because when the only solution you have to dealing with hypothetical military threats is a rifle you start minmaxing what that rifle can do for you as singular individual. Also this >>64736183It's called Main Character Syndrome
>>64736183Well getting in a firefight with 20 guys who have 20 rifles, crew served weapons, and 40 mk1 eyeballs is generally a bad idea. So if you did want to just be a pain in the ass and not be killed then taking potshots and running away is a better option.
>>64731440So they just assume it was one guy rather than an opposing group armed with the same caliber.
>>64731300The best DMR is an AR.
>>64742541Well that's why you don't do that. You wait to find, or create yourself, an isolated target. Then you bring enough friends to overwhelm it in a close ambush. Even if the goal is to just shoot and sprint away, a light, easily carried, fully-automatic weapons is best. Play it like a gang shooting, not a sniper larp.>>64742401>minmaxing what that rifle can do for you as singular individualAnd that's the tip off that lets you know that it's just larping: the singular individual. It's just power fantasy day dreams about how they get to be the unstoppable protagonist instead of some nameless nobody. It the same thing as thinking about winning the billion dollar lottery jackpot or beating Debra in court to get your kids back.You don't even want to redo the shingles your garage roof alone, why the hell are you masturbating over fighting a war alone?
>>64743190>It's just power fantasy day dreams about how they get to be the unstoppable protagonist instead of some nameless nobodySo a DMR is just isekai anime for gen x burnouts?
>>64743222Not really, that guy is just a seething>NOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN NEVER WIN AGAINST THE GOVERNMENTfag.
>>64731300Oh wow one instance, much evidence!
>>64743222Idk how anyone can watch these and take it even reasonably seriously
>>64731300The meta is and always will be a 16 inch barrel midlength gas AR with a can and whatever your favorite magnified optic is.
>>64731440>grblefg tjy sd mdrsafe and git igmfgrotyion sdcnod hjnf
>>64731300What's the original article? I'd actually be interested in reading it. PS: why is it that every time a text screenshot OP is posted they never link the source? I've seen this on every board on 4chan, not just /k/.
