>Thirdies letting their betters live rent free in their heads when America isn't even mentioned

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When kc was a thing I had a job where I traveled up and down the east coast a lot. A guilty pleasure of mine was taking photos of various private houses being constructed where it was just the timber frames.

Never failed to make bernd reee.

>Possible renovation job, where the second floor and roof were completely finished but first was just exposed wood 2x4 and you could see all the way through
>A hotel was having a small addition built, it was bad weather and tarps were affixed to help somewhat, but the wind tore them off and they were flapping away showing the matchsticks inside

Two of my favourites.

>>64734471
9/11

>>64734471
>1000 pds bomb
>1000 pds
>pds
Did they load the bomb with a thousand poodles?

>>64734599
1000 pidors

>>64734513
An American bomb would have levelled the building.

>>64734513
America is the one nation on earth with zero chance of ever facing aerial bombardment, after all

gr8 b8 r8 8/8

That does not look like a FAB 500.

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>>64734471
>>64734513
I have actually been consistently impressed throughout this war by how much of a beating Soviet-era housing stock can take.
t. John Lutheran of Missouri Oblast

>>64734513
>the United States of America out of nowhere

>>64734655
Yeah, putting past the silly political reasons people obsess over America building cheap houses with cheap wood, I've thought more than a few times how the construction has shaped the battlefield.
A timber and drywall American suburb would evaporate into dust under hits the commie blocks eat for breakfast. A short bombardment with artillery and glide bombs would turn the town I live in (Springedfield, Penslvyna oblast) into no more of a strategic obstacle than a farmer's field that had been sowed with wood splinters. Obviously there are arguments to make for the reasons why America didn't build for WW3 and the Soviets did, but just imagining that is interesting.
Basements have also been a huge factor. Just because the building skeleton is still standing after a massive fuckoff bomb explodes doesn't mean everyone inside is fine, they usually survive by living below ground. That has more to do with cold weather than Soviet planning, but imagine the same war in a climate with no basements.

>>64734766
Growing up in Florida, I cant help but feel like this state has more random Brutalism architecture than any other state I've visited, and probably explains my sense of kinship for Commieblocks

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>>64735404
Forgor pic

>>64734603
hiv warhead, chemical weapon

>>64735404
growing up in Florida did you hear of, experience, or were told about hurricanes? I mean there was a random drought of hurricane events after Katrina but the concept must have crossed your desk.
Hurricanes are god's argument for building brutalist concrete fortresses in Florida, or the cheapest possible shit to rebuild. Same for everyone in the mississipi flood plains. Tornados are god's argument for building underground shelters in the midwest. Earthquakes are god's blessing that a flimsy pile of sticks is awesome in the west coast because it only helps the building shake its ass to the cool vibrations.

I will remind people that iran just nationalised the Russian stake in Lukoil to sell to American companies to avoid sanctions and blockades kek.
Russia has lost Syria, Gaza, Venezuela and now Iran because they're too busy with Ukraine to do anything.
They are fucked.

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>>64735536
I was alive for Hurricane Andrew, so yes I'm aware. But concrete does not necessarily automatically equate to brutalist, its a deliberate design choice. I lived in Okinawa for awhile(Typhoon territory) and was the odd man out of my American peers for enjoying their taste for brutalism

>>64734766
timberframe homes are great when done right and the cheaper cost goes well with the (relatively) cheap ground prices.
but the construction and finishing quality I've seen leaves much to be desired.
cheap and easy to do half-assed translates into underpaid and don't give a shit

>>64735548
>Iran
Iraq

>>64735536
Unfortunately the rebar inside concrete structures tends to fail in hot coastal areas prematurely due to the salt air, leading to catastrophic collapse.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surfside_condominium_collapse

>>64734655
Gee, turns out Soviets were actually good engineers, who could've thought

>>64735581
Ah nvm.

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>>64735417
Looks hideous desu. Soviet houses didn't always look bad. In fact, I was recently going through my childhood photos, and noticed that the commieblocks on the background looked hella fresh as recent as 2005. ЖЭК system all but collapsed around 2000s so it makes sense that they went to shit after almost 30 years with almost no maintenance

>>64734655
>>64734766
Overengineered buildings are not good design, its costly and wasteful. They didn't build them for sturdiness they built them overengineered because otherwise their builders would build deathtraps.
The reason they need communal heating is because otherwise they'd be filled with damp and mold btw.
>>64735749
Charge your phone.

>>64735748
Iran is currently in a boogaloo, so soon the shithole alliance aka global South will be done

>>64735771
>The reason they need communal heating is because otherwise they'd be filled with damp and mold btw.
Wasn't there a phenomenon in post-Soviet nations when natural gas was still cheap, that people living in housing blocks would keep their windows open in the winter?

>>64734581
>>Possible renovation job, where the second floor and roof were completely finished but first was just exposed wood 2x4 and you could see all the way through
I have a chainsaw for that.

>>64735781
That open windows policy was basically luften to keep the mold out yeah.

who still uses poods

>>64734581
>kc
It was a better time

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>>64735781
That's basically NYC, except the heating is either oil or steam from the Con Edison municipal steam system

>>64735830
What's the deal with the mobile chimney, if it was just to stop people falling down an open manhole you'd think the barriers would do the job

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>>64735771
>they built them overengineered because otherwise their builders would build deathtraps.
First of all, they aren't overengineered, just designed to not collapse in case of fire, mild earthquake, mild flood, etc.
Second - the entire task of the builders was to simply stack pre made panels like legos. Shit's called "yкpyпнённыe oбъёмнo плaниpoвoчныe элeмeнты", you basically have an entire room pre made at a highly automated factory. Btw, that's the reason why 3d printing outta concrete looks ridiculous to anyone familiar with "дoмoбyдiвний кoмбiнaт"
>The reason they need communal heating is because otherwise they'd be filled with damp and mold btw.
No shit Sherlock, a building without heating is absolutely going to rot. The real reason for communal heating is that it's more effective and ecological when тeплoтpacи are well insulated and maintained. It's just like a nuclear plant system, just with very long pipes. TEЦ heats water, this water goes to a local boiler station, boiler station heats water for the radiators. Boom-no need for burning anything in close proximity to people.
>>64735781
That's because even with the radiator shut off you still have two ≥70C pipes heating the air. Picrelated. And that's if you have the "new" regulator type that can shut off the radiator completely. There's also "accordion" radiators with a shutter that should prevent effective convection, but it doesn't do shit when the radiators are sufficiently hot

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>>64734471
>1000 pidors bomb

>>64736027
Gives a whole new meaning to "gay bomb"

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>>64734471
I think it hit the side of the building and was set with an impact fuze

Also are you trying to pull a bait-and-switch, I'm pretty sure that's a uke unit patch on the top left, though I haven't particularly been keeping up with the unit patches.

>>64735838
anon that's steam coming out of there, really hot steam, you could get seriously hurt by it, those cones raise the steam above street level where it'll cool before coming into contact with anyone

>>64734766
Note like soviet villages really have better construction than western suburbs. It's soviet urban areas that were built up like that, and one main reason for it is concrete is cheap, but if you build semi-tall buildings out of the stuff they end up built like tanks, assuming you want it to last for any reasonable period (see tofu dreg buildings in china for when that isn't a priority)

>>64735775
fingers crossed but the IRGC isn't exactly a pushover, at least when the enemy is militiamen rather than a standing army.

>>64736118
>Note like soviet villages really have better construction than western suburbs
Mistype?

>>64736356
Yes, that's supposed to be
>Not like

>>64736118
>>64736369
What even was Soviet policy towards small towns and villages? Did the nomenklatura in Moscow even give a shit?

>>64736401
Wdym policy?

>>64736440
Fair enough, that's too nebulous a question. Did they build, at a national level, standardized housing and buildings in small towns in the USSR?

>>64735771
>They didn't build them for sturdiness
Yes, they did. Commie blocks (not just the individual buildings) were literally designed for defense after urban warfare lessons learnt during WWII.

It's not a fucking coincidence that every single city in Ukraine has to be slowly reduced to rubble before an attacker can get anywhere.

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>>64735404
>>64735417
>>64735563
based florida man is based.

>>64735930
>And that's if you have the "new" regulator type that can shut off the radiator completely.

This. The heat came on and you got it if you wanted it or not. Usually there was no need to open the window, but if the Babushka started showing a bit too much skin then the fortochka flew open.

>>64735417
beautiful
>>64735749
>Looks hideous desu
stfu tasteless cretin

>>64734471
To be fair, these buildings were constructed in Soviet times, and one of the most important factors for the Soviets was the need to withstand exactly this kind of impact without serious damage. This is one of the reasons why capturing cities in Ukraine is SO difficult.

>>64735674
I think that was a special case in which the owners were warned and did nothing/procrastinated on repairs

Look communism sucks, but sometimes it has success stories.

Turns out when you have quality east germans under your control and a communist quota system that requires a certain reasonable production quantity but not a profit motivation to make it as cheap as possible, sometimes you get lots of good materials. Then lots of solid things made of those materials.

China fails in this because those same companies do business for profit with somebody. So the motivation to cheapen materials to stretch it into more is always present.

Soviet commie blocks are built like US government buildings. In the US only the government gets similar build quality.
Interesting the consider that during the Cold War Soviet citizens lived in commie blocks that would still be standing short distances away and would provide significant radiation shielding while US citizens would have been in lightly constructed buildings destroyed 3-5x further away than a commieblock while shielding very little radiation.

>>64735749
>Soviet houses didn't always look bad
They did, you're just retarded.
t. actually born in ussr

>>64735781
>would keep their windows open in the winter
It's not just a question of cheap heating, it's a necessity because there's no normal ventilation. You'd get fucked up if you didn't periodically open up a window. Especially if you'd use additional heaters (since quite often the built-in heating wasn't enough, because homes had non-existent thermal insulation).

>>64737003
90 IQ post

>>64735771
>Overengineered buildings are not good design, its costly and wasteful. They didn't build them for sturdiness they built them overengineered because otherwise their builders would build deathtraps.
Nah, you're wrong. Because you're trying to look at the issue from a western perspective lmao.
The reason soviet homes were built in the way they were is because of these main factors:
- the state wanted to make a ton of housing, so building something fast and efficient was paramount (the housing crisis was never solved before 1991, the pipe dream was everyone having an apartment by the year 2000 kek);
- there was a focus large multi-family residential buildings due to ideological reasons ("people shouldn't have their own home");
- the soviet economy was geared towards large enterprises, be them factories or anything else, housing was no different, i.e. there was no market for a ton of small companies working on the market but a number of uber-corporations doing shit;
- on top of that, the build out was also being done in relatively large scale, i.e. instead of building one, two or even five commieblocks a micro-district would be built out, with at least dozens of those commie-blocks, including local infrastructure, malls (what passed for malls in ussr kek), schools and kindergartens - the idea was sound on paper, but the reality was shit (obviously);

So basically an economic machine, which worked with everything as a factory, also solved housing as a factory:
- pre-design shit;
- pre-fab shit;
- ship shit;
- assemble shit;

When people gave a shit (lol), were sober (omega lol) and didn't have too much red tape bullshit (kek), a soviet concrete panel commie-blocks could be build in days;

>>64734655
Concrete buildings often patch up very well. But the ones in the photo are precast every joint becomes suspect and a lot of them are hidden. Bad.

>>64735674
there are alternatives for rebar in concrete reinforcement
namely basalt fibers

>>64737486
In what year?

>>64737516
>but the reality was shit
It wasn't tho. Microdistrict system is what now called "5 minute city". Everything is walking distance, lots of greenery, all buildings spaced out to get enough sun and decent view. Check out Troyeschina in Kyiv
And then compare to something like Poznyaky

>>64736459
Yes, but it depends on era. Stereotypical panel buildings didn't appear in large cities until 1970s. There are many single-family "private" type house typical projects. Apartment buildings before 1980s- afaik there were like 2, Czech and some other. Not too bad, not too good, often built from silicate brick=shit insulation. There are some examples of panel buildings in "ПГT", but I honestly don't know how many were built.

>>64735930
>"accordion" radiators
I have one in my home back in [spoiler]Belarus[/spoiler]. It's powered purely by the essense of hell, which is nice if its -25 outside. Problem is, nowadays you get -25 only 2 days a year. And of course because its been repainted at least 16 times the regulator on it is stuck in "fry my shit up" position. The cat loved it tho

>>64735736
Commieblocks were invented by french.

>>64737724
>It wasn't tho.
It was. I've lived through it.

>Microdistrict system is what now called "5 minute city".
The "5 minute city" is commie shit that's pushed on you to limit your freedom of movement.

>Everything is walking distance
"Everything that the party deems that you need"

>lots of greenery
>When for 6 months shit is dead because it's too cold

>all buildings spaced out to get enough sun and decent view
Spaced out == empty crap which makes things farther away than they need to be
Enough sun == you'll boil in your concrete shitbox in the summer
Decent view == a view of shit and emptiness

>Check out Troyeschina in Kyiv
I've lived there for more than a decade, faggot. It is shit.

>And then compare to something like Poznyaky
Such things are comparable using the Bristol Stool Chart

>>64737516
>the idea was sound on paper, but the reality was shit (obviously)
This is bullshit tho. Old soviet planned districts might look brutal, but they at least have an infrastructure included on in the planning (schools, kindergardens, shops, maybe even some services) while nowadays developers go lol lmao and you get 2 apartment buildings 5 meters from each other, with no space around them. And both of these buildings are going to be the same commieblocks just painted and with even worse building standard than the soviets had.

>>64735930
>The real reason for communal heating is that it's more effective
Only when fuel is free and/or you can get heat for "free" as by-product of electricity generation.
These systems lose 30-70% of heat during transport and are almost impossible to service (especially in terms of costs), with the pipes constantly fucking up.
In reality having boilers local to specific commie-blocks would make way more sense, but commies loved large integrated shit systems as a way to save effort vs a ton of de-centralized operators.

>>64737759
>but commies loved large integrated shit systems as a way to save effort vs a ton of de-centralized operators
Not only effort, but capital costs as well. It's much cheaper to built a single plant, not to mention that soviet engineering was simply unable to mass produce civilian appliances, they had queues to buy a refrigerator or a washing machine.

>>64737755
Anon commercial use first floor buildings are very popular nowadays. They all look cheap as fuck anyways because theyre not built to last, which is more an issue with materials costs.

>>64737754
>It was. I've lived through it.
You didn't live in a suburban McMansion with paper walls you can punch through, a "homeowner association" Sharia police that has the legal right to evict you if you don't mow your lawn according to regulations, no supermarket or hospital within a 500-mile radius, and a constant risk of "urban youth" murderaping your family at night.
One of the major cultural consequences of the mass exodus of Ukrainian refugees to the First World countries was their sudden realization that "the First World" is sub-Saharan-nigger-tier shithole compared to "the Second World" in many aspects, urban infrastructure being one of the biggest examples of that.
You're an oblivious retard still traumatized by the 90s.

>>64737789
>World countries was their sudden realization that "the First World" is sub-Saharan-nigger-tier shithole compared to "the Second World" in many aspects
Oh please, most of them fled to Europe.

>>64737759
>These systems lose 30-70% of heat during transport and are almost impossible to service (especially in terms of costs), with the pipes constantly fucking up.
Whenever I hear insane bullshit like this I can't help but wonder where the poster lives.
District heating is used basically everywhere in the world and it is really efficient. At least in first world countries. I don't know if and how badly soviets fucked it up.

>>64737789
.t salty zigger coping in his piss smelling run down commieblock.

>>64735674
>>64736790
Yeah Surfside had nothing to do with prematurely aging rebar.
Condos down here are all owned by old people who vote to defer maintenance on the buildings over and over because they’re on social security or allowances from their kids. Even in rich areas they’re owned by Jews who refuse to raise maintenance, or Russians who rent out the units and don’t care about the state of the building. Florida passed a deluge of laws about required maintenance after but every year they delay the inception date of the laws because no one can afford to maintain the buildings, especially with insurance costs ballooning.
All our old people are heading towards homelessness.
t. John Christlove, Florida Oblast, condominium inspector.

>>64737755
>Old soviet planned districts might look brutal, but they at least have an infrastructure included on in the planning (schools, kindergardens, shops, maybe even some services) while nowadays developers go lol lmao and you get 2 apartment buildings 5 meters from each other, with no space around them.
Just because crap is being done badly now doesn't negate the fact that soviet approach was retarded IRL outside of bullshit planning buzzwords.
What you see now is basic bitch business of "let's build a commie-block to get some cash", specifically with those new apartment buildings getting inserted into the "empty space" left in by retarded commies. Why would those basic bitch businessmen build kindergartens and such? Of course they won't. Nobody will pay them for that.
Your issue is with the goyvernment specifically enabling corruption, not how stuff is being built. If that was a normal market, you'd have more of an integrated approach to housing developments.
The commie approach is way worse and you seem like you've never lived through it IRL. Like there was literally fuckin' nothing. Here's your shitty movie theater 1 KM away. Here's your three shitty schools. Here's your shitty kindergarten. Here are your two main soviet "malls". And a handful of other crap. Anything else? Tough love nigger. Like sheaat... one of the issues you've seen post-1991 is society and economy trying to adjust to the reality of there being no commercial real estate for things which started to appear. Like where you do place a cafe, a restaurant, a new store, some office space, etc. It was such a disaster that you wouldn't even believe. The fact that some malls could be built by converting unfinished factories and some offices could be rented out from dead soviet institutes is an exception.

>>64737759
>lose 30-70% of heat during transport
If unserviced.
>Impossible to service
If бoмжи steal insulation
>would make way more sens
Thanks, but no. It's almost impossible to breathe on Shuliavka due to Ukrzaliznytsya burning coal for train heating. I would literally commit sudoku if the whole city smelled like that. Besides, the system you're describing was in use before-look at all the small brick chimneys all around the city -that's the system you're describing

>>64737783
>nowadays
I mean, yeah, but 10-15 years ago? Not so much. Even nowadays they build a lot of buildings without commercial use spaces.
What use is kebab to me if the nearest kindergarden/school is 5 km away and the nearest semi-normal mall is 3km away?

>>64737789
>You didn't live in a suburban McMansion with paper walls you can punch through, a "homeowner association" Sharia police that has the legal right to evict you if you don't mow your lawn according to regulations, no supermarket or hospital within a 500-mile radius, and a constant risk of "urban youth" murderaping your family at night.
Bruh, you haven't:
- had to live in a concrete panel 16 story bullshit commie-block of "improved comfort" from the 1980s, where it's cold in the winter (and you use multiple kilowatts of radiators to try and combat that) and hot in the summer (where you have to take 5-6 showers per day to not feel like a sweaty faggot), with the concrete shitbox cooking you inside even during the night because it got hot during the day;
- had to stuff foam rubber into your windows and glue paper strips on all the cracks, for the "winter season", having to cook a starch-based glue yourself in the kitchen before that;
- had to watch how your wallpaper balloons every rain, because concrete panels had gaps in them;
- had to deal with having no soundproofing;
- had to deal with 30% of the home being alcoholics, gopniks and other trash, which will literally piss and shit in the elevator (on top of other things) and you have no recourse over them because HOAs are not a thing;
- had to deal with walking 15 minutes to the local "mall", where you'd buy shit (soviet meat section... ew...) and then have to carry that in your hands home;

>constant risk of "urban youth"
A-ha-ha-ha-ha. What do you think gopniks were/are? Soviet union had fucked up youth. Gangs, violence and even street crime was almost universal. Just because the news didn't mention it doesn't mean it didn't exist.

>>64735736
They didn't invent commie blocks, and in fact most commie blocks fucking suck to live in (t. lived in one for 7 years). They were "better" than the previous standard, but I'd rather live in an old wood house than a comblock. Comblocks were made to solve the issue of homelessness and people freezing to fucking death in the winter, that is something they actually excelled at.

>>64737816
Why do you need easy walking distance access to schools from your apartment?

>>64737824
i have kids?

>>64737789
>One of the major cultural consequences of the mass exodus of Ukrainian refugees to the First World countries was their sudden realization that "the First World" is sub-Saharan-nigger-tier shithole
In places like UK? Sure. Muslim churkas fucked up the country.
US? Not really. I have an ex-colleague from Luhansk whom went to LA based on the ultimatum from his GF ("hurr-durr go with me or I'm dumping you"). Literally had to illegally cross the border kek. Even his basic bitch life in LA (notorious for shit, bums and other commiefornia things) was a culture shock for him for all the good reasons.

>>64737789
>You're an oblivious retard still traumatized by the 90s.
The 90s were one of the best things which happened. I'm telling you this as a person with a hammer&sickle birth certificate. Fuck commies and commie shit. And fuck delusional naive faggots who try to whitewash commie crap.

>>64737754
>I've lived through it.
I live in it rn you retard. Late 80s soviet districts are the coziest places to live
>commie shit
Yeah right cause I hate to walk and want to be fat like muts. No thanks
You still can use your car, in fact, soviets built these districts with enough foresight to support ~5x count of private cars compared to what was present at the time of construction
>Everything that the party deems
Well replace the party with a megacorporation and you've got yourself the US. There are 4 schools, 6 kindergartens, 3 shops, 1 music school, 1 hospital, 1 cinema, 1 дoм бытa(photos, tailor, culinary, postal office etc.)all within 15min walk. Tf else you need? A brothel?
>empty crap which makes things farther away than they need to be
Yeah youve never lived in modern construction panels. If you don't space the buildings out you get your neighbours ass right in your window
The empty space us actually parks, playgrounds, stadiums etc.
>It is shit
For a fly everything is shit

>>64737829
5x count of private cars compared to what was present at the time of construction
How kind of them to have the foresight to support possibly dozens of vehicles.

>>64737823
There's a massive difference between le courbusier khrusch and a proper 1980s APPS K-134

>>64737795
- Climate fucks up things quite a bit due to significant range of temperatures;
- Pipes are placed in ground with bad or no thermal insulation, so when heating agent is pumped it literally loses efficiency by heating up the ground kek, you can often see this during winter where everything is snowed in or frozen, but specific paths are without snow because the losses of heat melted everything above;
- Cheap pipes are used or they are installed badly, but basically pipes routinely break and you have to dig up fucked up levels shit to reach and fix them, so the whole thing is a whack-a-mole of running around and fixing issues, it takes a ton of time and money, so you don't have money for good solutions and thus fix issues with bad cheap fixes which only compounds crap;
- You have to routinely do a ton of service maintenance work to avoid a total collapse, e.g. how every summer they "turn off hot water" to service the system kek;

>I don't know if and how badly soviets fucked it up.
Soviets managed to fuck up everything even more than you can ever imagine.

>>64737802
>Like there was literally fuckin' nothing. Here's your shitty movie theater 1 KM away. Here's your three shitty schools. Here's your shitty kindergarten. Here are your two main soviet "malls". And a handful of other crap. Anything else?
As opposed to buing a new build and getting...italian cafe in exchange for all of that?
>The commie approach is way worse and you seem like you've never lived through it IRL
I've lived both in new builds and the soviet-build districts. Old shit has it's problems. District planning isn't one of them.
>Tough love nigger. Like sheaat...
Sorry i thought you're serious for a sec, you just a larping burger

>>64737826
I dont know what your apartment being 3km has to do with any of this conversation. Did they not have closer apartments?

>>64737841
Try 300k in a district with planned population just below 300k people. We can pivot towards the car counts in ussr, which were obviously lower than in the west due to more ecologically sound solution-public transport, but I really don't want to

>>64737808
>t's almost impossible to breathe on Shuliavka
It was impossible to breath there even before that. It's a transport clusterfuck.

>If unserviced.
Which is the default state of things. You can't service the system to a decent state because of how much work and money it needs.

>If бoмжи steal insulation
Sometimes it's just too bad or never existed in a the first place.

>I would literally commit sudoku if the whole city smelled like that.
I'm not talking about individual coal boilers. They could be natural gas based or anything else. The idea is to not have one apartment heating depends on another.

>>64737847
>Soviets didnt have many cars because uhhhh, the Soviets loved environmentally friendly transport?
Oh youre just a commieboo apologist.

>>64737846
>I dont know what your apartment being 3km has to do with any of this conversation.
It indicates lack of the any social infrastructure in the close proximity. Which for a lot of people is a more important thing than having a commercial space on the ground floor occupied by Vietnamese nail salon.

>>64737856
My dude you chose that apartment. You could have chosen the apartment closer to where you want to be.

>>64737829
>Late 80s soviet districts are the coziest places to live
You have retarded "i was a kid then so it was good" nostalgia.

>>64737844
>Pipes are placed in ground
Yes, in order to not create clutter on streets. And they are well insulated. It's just when you have a system that functions for 40 years with no maintenance, retards with no engineering background start to yap about bad quality. Anyone remotely close to STEM should be in awe of how much retard-resistance soviets designed into their strategic infrastructure
>how every summer they "turn off hot water" to service the system kek
That's hydraulic tests employed to reduce the possibility of a 40 year old pipe bursting while with boiling water and boiling someone's face off

>Guy in a luxury apartment by soviet standards simping for buildings everyone wanted to move out of

>>64737829
>enough foresight to support ~5x count of private cars compared to what was present at the time of construction
Because there was almost no cars before lmao

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>>64737821
>- had to stuff foam rubber into your windows and glue paper strips on all the cracks, for the "winter season", having to cook a starch-based glue yourself in the kitchen before that;
Oh man, my childhood. Dad would be stuffing the foam while mom and I cooked the glue. Good times. I still masking tape errywhere in winter.

>>64737860
>My dude you chose that apartment
not in the ussr you didn't kek

>>64737864
Yeah, right. As opposed to the rest of the city where you have to search for nearest shop on google maps and spend half an hour walking just to get to it lmao
>>64737849
No mate, that smell is coal. Cars don't smell like that. It's literally what London smelled like during the industrial revolution
>default
Due to lack of funding, yes. Due to the fact that Akhmetov stole all energy objects. That every bydlo down to the brigadier tried to steal something. Etc. etc. down to shock therapy forced by IMF.
>never existed
Yeah right lmao. Я знaю cкiльки пaпipцiв тpe пiдпиcaти пpи здaчi oб'єктy нaвiть зapaз, ocoбливo кoли цe дepжcтpyктypa.
>The idea is to not have one apartment heating depends on another.
Yeah, let's breathe that tasty CO instead >>64737852
Soviets excelled at efficiency. It just so happens that efficiently spending the resources is the mist eco friendly thing possible

>>64737887
Anon Im talking to is lamenting his current decision in a free market thinking central planning will save him.

>>64737888
>Soviets excelled at efficiency
Their economy was overall innefficient and led to their collapse. This is ridiculous.

>>64737828
>The 90s were one of the best things which happened.
Oh my sweet summer child. You either were like 10 at the time, or are completely fucking retarded

>>64737868
>system that functions for 40 years with no maintenance
Commie faggot, those systems are maintained every year. And they fuck up every year. Cope and seethe about lenin and "good ice cream".

>>64734655
average american when they see anything made out of reinforced concrete

wait till you see the iranian bunkers made out of basaltic steel

>>64737878
Super power AF

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>>64737894
He's correct. Everyone now if better off for the 90s happening, even moskali, or would you rather that the sovok union remained?

>>64737888
>пaпipцiв тpe пiдпиcaти пpи здaчi oб'єктy
You're a naive retard. Even during soviet times the skill of official project delivery was a separate thing which had nothing compared to reality or rules or laws. Even back then.

>>64737888
>No mate, that smell is coal.
The point was that it was impossible to breath even before cola became a factor, you're living in a fuckin' dump of a place

>>64737901
Yes. Or are you >implying that now that I'm a superpower (personally and individually I can solo Moscow) I should stop good habits? Maybe I should also stop cleaning after myself and shidding in my own pants?

>>64737796
>>64737789
Nah, it's true. Biggest complaints are usually healthcare (tf you mean you have to wait a month for an appointment and can't buy even paracetamol)-that's why all my relatives who moved to Europe still come to Ukraine for anything health related. It's faster and better than waiting for an appointment
Second place-transportation. Ukrainian railways rarely delay by 10mins even during shelling
In both cases Ukraine is still very much still running on almost purely soviet infrastructure

>>64737894
Nigger, you might like:
- being shipped off to siberia after uni ("raspredelenie");
- being shipped off to gather harvest with your hands (like a nigger slave LMAO) during your uni education;
- waiting 10 years in queue to be able to buy some furniture;
- not being able to own foreign currency;
- not being able to travel abroad;
- watching 2.5 TV channels with "village time" and "speech of dear leader" programs;
- waking up in the early morning and then waiting multiple hours in queue to buy some milk or sour cream;
- eating "empty pasta" (just boiled pasta without anything);
- and many other soviet things
But normal people don't view those things as good.
The collapse of USSR is the best thing which happened.

>>64737923
Yes, you should stop shitting in your pants. That would decrease the amount of cleaning up that you need to do tremendously.

>>64734655
That's any reinforced concrete building that's not built out of beach sand and corncobs. Americans are just brainwashed by the big 2x4.

>>64737937
>brainwashed by the big 2x4
which isn't even 2x4 in size...

>>64737936
Or start shidding*

>>64737777
>they had queues to buy a refrigerator or a washing machine.
Now that's not true. My aunt was a merchandiser in an appliances shop in Zaporozhia. Everything like fridges was sold "пiд зaмoвлeння"-you order an appliance, it gets delivered. Like a modern day online shop. Shit like toasters, fans, etc. was ready to pick up

>>64737931
How old are you?

>>64737940
It's not?

>>64737950
Too old to listen "how great it was in the soviet union" from zoomers born in 2000 whom watched too much faggots like Goblin Purchkov

>>64737951
A standard 2x4 piece of lumber isn't actually 2 inches by 4 inches but measures about 1.5 inches by 3.5 inches

>>64737914
Im not living there, I studied close. Coal was always a factor there, and the whole city would smell like that if all the heating came from кoчeгapки like the one Tsoy worked at

>>64737937
Every time you see some kind of hurricane disaster news from america you just gotta wonder "why don't they make their buildings resistant to the elements?" but there is no logical answer.

Imagine if japanese buildings and infrastructure weren't designed to withstand earthquakes. The whole nation would be just a ruin.

>>64737958
Again, how old. You can even round a couple years up or down if it's so important for you

>>64737969
50
>skuff brigade is here

>>64737931
>- eating "empty pasta" (just boiled pasta without anything);
My personal devil was mayonnaise elbow shells.

>>64737931
you forgot not having disposable diapers and having to deal with kids pissing and shitting in cloth ones that having to wash, dry and iron them, this alone is enough of a reason to kill ussr and commies

>>64737982
So you're born in 1975. Your earliest memories are from ~1981. You're 11 when Chornobyl completed the 5 year energy production plan in 1 second. And you're a teen in 1987-1994, so your conscious life started at the height of SU decay, and then you lived through the 90s as a teen, which perfectly explains your memories. Btw, a few years later and you'd be insufferable bydlo. Literally everyone born in 1980-1995 always turns out to be an uncultured retard. Consequences of the 90s if.
Now, if we compare this to someone born 10-15 years earlier than you, they have 2 reference points. Pre-decay SU and decay. All agree that late 80s and after everything went to shit, but simultaneously, with various degrees of caution (to not be called coвкoeб), they also agree that it wasn't anywhere near that bad in 1970s-early 80s

>>64737951
>>64737964
It's 2x4 when it's cut, it gets smaller as it's planed and dried. You used to buy 2x4 raw cut, but then they'd be inconsistent and end up measuring differently depending on how they dried or who planed them.
Consistency is far more important than whatever name you call the wood, so now 2x4 != 2"x4".
Nominal vs dimensional measurement.

>>64737908
It's good, and it's bad. It's good because russians always fucked up all positive trends in any industries or culture. SU would be better off with no russians. I have many examples and many interviews with high ranking specialists of the biggest production associations of SU that say basically the same thing-old chauvinistic retards in moscow were telling "province" to fuck off even back then.
It's bad, because of how abrupt it was. How many lives were broken, how many competences lost. Some people lament about library of Alexandria burning down, but it pales in comparison to just one research institute or design bureau being sold for scrap.
And it's never going to come back due to megacorporations lobbying(check out the recent state seed bank of Ukraine dissolution and Monsanto stepping in to "help farmers" not two weeks later, when usually it sues farmers for having crops cross pollinated with their genetically engineered shit)
One other noteworthy thing is, in SU e.g. a minister of chemical industries would be a trained chemist himself, most likely with a good career, like in modern China. Now all ministers are lawyers at best

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>>64735404
brutalism + plants = beautiful. I love this.

>>64738014
>they have 2 reference points. Pre-decay SU and decay.
Bruh. There was never a good time in soviet union. Literally take any decade and it's shit. You think 70s and 80s suck? Okay, enjoy the 60s where you don't even have a khrushchovka and toilet paper isn't produced yet LMAO.

>All agree that late 80s and after everything went to shit
It went to shit since the first day. There was never even 10 years of normality in USSR. Simple as. Thank god all of my parents and grandparents were sane and didn't fall into the senile nostalgia.

>>64738165
>toilet paper
«Бyмaгa тyaлeтнaя выpaбaтывaeтcя из нeклeeнoй бyмaги и выпycкaeтcя в пaчкaх вecoм 250 г, cкpeплeнных бaндepoлью или cвязaнных в oднoм из yглoв бyмaжным шнypoм для пoдвeшивaния. Bec Б.т. 30 – 50 г/м2, фopмaт (в мм) 130 х 135, цвeт ecтecтвeннoгo нeбeлeнoгo вoлoкнa. Bыpaбaтывaeтcя тaкжe кpeпиpoвaннoй, в pyлoнчикaх, пpиcпocoблeнных к oтpывaнию кycкa бyмaги oпpeдeлeннoй длины» (Toвapный cлoвapь: B 9 т. M., 1956. T. 1. Cтлб. 651).
>kruschevka
First built in 1956. Just 11 years after WWII. In just 11 years SU managed to rebuild all or most cities that were demolished, including industrial base, solo. Were SU elites retards? Yea. Was it not comparable to western countries? Comparable as hell

>>64738262
Stop coping, commie zoomer, you've never seen or touched that pre-1960s "toilet paper", that shit was not only inaccessible (just because something technically exists doesn't mean you can buy it in USSR, you stinkin' degenerate) and barely usable, there's a reason why people had to use newspapers instead;

>First built in 1956. Just 11 years after WWII.
>In just 11 years SU managed to rebuild all or most cities
Retard, the first kruschevkas were build 11 years after WWII. That doesn't mean everything was fixed by that time, faggot. Before 1956 the amount of housing built was barely 40 million sq. meter per year. Only after 1956, with the advent of those shitbox kruschevkas, did the amount double per year, but even after a decade of this increase building it wasn't rebuilt in any way shape or form. A ton of places were destroyed up into the 1970s even in Kyiv specifically, god forbid you move out to some bumfuck locations.

>>64738126
It looks good when architects can do their job and its not government ordered prefabs. Its also done where it looks fine like parking lots

>>64738126
>>64738344
Boston City Hall is an abomination, and no one can ever change my mind about that.

Brutalism is for bottom gay retards who want to fap to something strong

>>64738337
>you've never seen or touched that pre-1960s "toilet paper"
As if you did lmao. You weren't even produced by your dad's balls, stop yapping
>Retard...faggot
Flaming much? Lmao
You see shitboxes-I see a genuine attempt to improve the living conditions of millions of people

>>64738385
>As if you did lmao.
I did, it looked like bad sets of drawing paper for children lmao. That crap was continued to be sold post 1960s, even when normal rolls of toilet technically appeared in sale.

>I see a genuine attempt to improve the living conditions of millions of people
By building a giant gulag... right...

>>64738351
Its a phenomenal defensive position thoigh.

>>64738426
>By building a giant gulag
Look at the US or EU rn. Not quite there yet, but you can describe all the processes with purely soviet lingo. It's just the nature of old people, creating gulags. Maybe if OGAS didn't get so much resistance from the same old retards we wouldn't be arguing rn

>>64738467
>Look at the US or EU rn.
Please kill yourself, commie troon

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>>64738351
>Boston City Hall
LMFAO.

Boston. Explain yourselves.

.t nyc

>>64738482
Boston is full of cryptocommies
.t lived 60 minutes north for years.

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>>64738482
I'm not from Boston. I'm from KCMO. We have a Art Deco skyscraper as our City Hall.
Same for our courthouse.

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>>64736123
>the enemy is militiamen rather than a standing army.
Yet muttmerica keeps losing to third world militias

>>64738495
I feel like this building totally works if it's in a lineup of other tall buildings but is hilariously out of place with nothing around it. It's a pure architectural expression of flat kansas stuffing a bra.

>>64738575
Not really though

>>64737842
Nigger I grew up in the Brezhnev days. It still fucking sucked compared to my cushy ass stick house.

>>64738014
Midwit of the thread award. Sophisticate your rise tinted goggles all you like, you didn't live that shit and the people who say "oh our decade suck but it wasn't always that bad" didn't live that shit either. The Soviet Union has been an object of pure rot since its birth, never once in its long history has there ever been a good time to be a Soviet, and coincidentally in all of history there has never been a good time to be Russian.

>>64737516
What you end up is small low quality housing, precisely because there is no competition, no alternative and no customer to please. Government orders, government gets, government gives. Everything is reduced to measurable feel-good statistics. Now you hang carpets on your walls because insulation is shit but hey, they're cheap and fast to build.

>>64738601
>coincidentally in all of history there has never been a good time to be Russian.
That isn't a coincidence

>>64738601
>Sophisticate your piss tinted goggles
fixed

>>64738482
I actually like it. People forget that brutalism isn't just about blocky shapes and bare concrete, it's supposed to be a way of letting interesting architecture shine on its own without the distractions of color and decoration, and Boston City Hall is actually cool in its design, unlike dismal commieblocks.

>>64738575
So is Iran apparently

>>64738662
I'd like it too, if I was stuck with it. But I'm not so I don't lmao