how did commissars work exactly? they were one man tardwrangling an entire regiment, shooting dissidents and wannabe deserters, and expected absolute loyalty without any sort of retaliation? it doesn't add up, why not simply kill him?
>>64735034Gotta say anon, I haven't seen such a concentration of assumptions and half remembered pop-culture tropes since 2015. Also, generally, when things don't make sense, it's because you've misunderstood something or are missing several pieces.So please browse through Wikipedia on the topic and maybe then you'll make a thread that doesn't start off as a net negative.
>>64735034Because if you killed the commissar then the whole regiment would be killed too, you muppet.>hurr durr we’re a totalitarian state, but if someone kills the symbol of our authority then we’ll investigate thoroughly to make sure we only punish the guy who pulled the trigger and if we can’t prove he was guilty then it’s all good I guess
>>64735034>why not simply kill him?Because he works for the people who supply your rations.
>>64735034>how did it workThe same way any enforcement arm works. The fear of enforcement. The idea that you specifically will be caught doing something wrong if you step out of line. People that believe in the system, or are seeking personal gain, or just want to fuck someone they hate over acting as informants.>why didn't they kill themSometimes they did. Usually it got entire families or units gulaged for daring to threaten the power of the party.>whyPower, privilege, indoctrination, genuine belief, and yes more than a few sociopaths.
>>64735034that's a very 40k way of looking at it. they were political officers first and foremost. their main job was to ensure proper adherence to party political ideology. that's not to say they didn't involve themselves in disciplinary matters, but they were more like commie political priests.
What blew up?
>>64735034Fragging has been around for as long as armies have existed.You're just not supposed to blatantly shoot an officer.
>>64735121you could've just ignored the post and move on, instead you had to be a pedantic fucking faggot.
>>64735344Expecting basic quality is important to avoid everything turning into /pol/-tier ADHD trash and habutual spam and valueless shitposting, actually.He's right to point this out and even to be mad, because this stuff is shitting up /k/ and slowly turning this board into a cesspit or zero-info ragebait and shitflinging like such retards have managed to make /pol/.I'm seeing this shift and it's not good as is your idiotic act/actuality about not caring about avoiding and removing utter shit posts that invite and cultivate utter shit people.That is of course assuming you are not one of these simple-minded morons yourself.
>>64735379>mentions /pol/ unpromptedRussia was the bad guy in WW2. Communists aren't human and don't deserve rights because they're the property of a hostile, foreign, and loxist government.
>>64735034the way I remember it, commissars did a lot less mass executions until morale improved and more gaining everyone's confidence by being sociable, and using this to root out dissidents and trouble-makers. I this accurate, or am i way off base here?
>>64735034>they were one man tardwrangling an entire regimentNope. They were tardwrangling the officers. Enlisted wouldn't really interact with the politruk unless they fucked up enough to get his attention in a very bad way.>why not simply kill him?Because then the nice men from the NKVD/KGB come around and kill everyone involved and their families.
>>64735418>Red Army NKVD killed over 700,000 of its own troopsNo not really.
>>64735034Lots of pop-history bullshit being posted. Commissars were never just some internal punishment officer. For the most part they were just morale officers. Political Officers existed in various forms from the 1917 until 91, so “how they worked” differed depending on when you are asking about. In fact the term “Commissar” was removed during WW2.
>>64735034They were there to act as lecturers/educators for soldiers and as dual command. Not so much blamming individuals for offenses (unless they were severe).Acting as a balance to military commanders to prevent what happened to Russia in WW1: leaders who lost because they either didn't want to engage, or because they were seeking personal glory and got in too deep. This was attributed to the aristocratic system. There were also some White commanders taken into the Red Army who the Bolsheviks felt needed to be watched. Attaching them to individual units was done away with because it ended up causing the same problems in 1941 that they were meant to prevent: Their political goals clashed with militarily sound decisions, and it got a lot of soldiers killed and land lost.
>>64735379>expecting basic quality Nigger you're on an anime forum, this ain't a uni lecture, if you're interested in the topic you contribute, if you're not you hide, report and move on instead of complaining. Why don't you go after the actual shitposters derailing threads or the shills spamming porn and gore? Oh yeah right, they don't give enough of a fuck to even respond to you
>>64735443This. ^TO ANYONE WHO DISAGREES:READ SOLHENITSYN, FAGGOT.
>>64735460This is the best answer ITT.During the Civil War commissars were political attaches keeping the (mostly) former Tsarist officers in check and making sure that they were actually following Trotsky's orders. As this anon says they held dual power with the CO and could overrule his commands or enforce his own commands if he felt the CO was not acting in the interests of the Communist Party. They also instructed Red Army conscripts about the principles of communism and the aims of the Soviet Union.By WWII they were more like a mix of intelligence officers, propaganda disseminators and lecturers. Their main task would have been censoring letters home, distributing reading material to the troops and giving pep talks about glorious Soviet industry, technology and news about other fronts. Most retards ITT are confusing commissars with the Cheka/NKVD which were interior political police, & border guards. The Cheka would definitely pull off your fingernails for refusing to become communist but a political commissar in the Red Army wouldn't be doing that. The NKVD also formed "blocking" units that Enemy at the Gates made Amerimutts believe machine gunned down any Russian soldier who showed cowardice but they were usually just placed in reserve behind green units and helped regroup them if they broke under a sustained assault.
>>64735121Fuck off, commie.
>>64735121>>64735379don't you have some "le drones ruined le warfare" thread to pseud out in?
>>64735216AL comiket numbers
>>64735986>The NKVD also formed "blocking" units that Enemy at the Gates made Amerimutts believe machine gunned down any Russian soldier who showed cowardice but they were usually just placed in reserve behind green units and helped regroup them if they broke under a sustained assault.Like the Chechens do now?
>>64735986>they were usually just placed in reserve behind green units and helped regroup them if they broke under a sustained assault.That’s a funny way of saying they tortured and humiliated pidors who survived the human meet wave assaults to break their spirits and make them subservient.
>>64736637yes
>>64735986> Enemy at the Gates made Amerimutts believeYou can stop hoping that people will believe this. The current war has been going on a few years now. Not only has the Russian tradition of blocking units been recorded from drones, your own tankie propagandists have praised this as a wonderful return to based and trad Stalinist methods.
>>64736686Stupid decadent westerner, how are you supposed to enforce glorious communist ideology and keep soldiers form deserting if you do not beat and rape pidors, cyka? This is reason why amerimutt army have never won war in their history, blyat. They do not rape and tourture enough.
:( even 40k commissars (based off the different commissars in gaunts ghost) aren't this needlessly cruel, wtf
>>64737081Gaunt was the exception, to be fair. He tried his best to motivate his men through charisma and words, and his regiment is his family so he feels personally attached to them. The average commissar is cold as ice and would summarily execute anyone until either morale improves or his own men murder him, at which point the officio prefectum sends an even colder and more sadistic motherfucker to replace him
>>64735121Eat shit faggot
>>64735459>>64735460>>64735986The only good answers in this thread and these are all generally true within the Russian Red Army. In the Chinese PLA, the role of a Commissar is a billet. They're more HR managers rather than propaganda enforcers and intel officers. It's a billet commonly held by infantry officers, and it's not unusual for individuals to cycle in and out of the role. Their responsibilities include helping soldiers understand their military benefits, arranging their wills, managing leave, and arranging social events to help young soldiers find wives.
>>64737142Lmai this nigger is still samefagging the thread, absolutely pathetic
>>64736382Wait, it's on the rise again? I thought Blue Archive still mogs them.
>>64735064The commissars were Jews that didn't care about killing the Russian people. They were the inner party of the USSR.
>>64735034>Commie SAARsOk sorry, I'll see myself out...
>>64735034It was like in 40k where they'd go around shooting their own guys and it'd help keep that unit in the fight.
>>64735379im going to beat you to death nigger
>>64735034They weren't the ones doing the execution most of the time; that was the job of the blocking unit under their command, who will kill your ass if you lay your hands on him.
