The Gallipoli campaign started 111 years ago this day. Was there a chance for success for the Allies or was the entire plan wrong?
>>64737479>Ended today
The Gallipoli campaign started 111 years ago this day. How many wasted lives? How many dreams did fade away?
>>64737479>Was there a chance for success for the AlliesDefinitely. Ottomans were not having a good time at Gallipoli. They just managed to preserve longer likely due to home field advantage. A lucky barrage here, a slightly fortunate decision there though, and they could've very easily fallen. God just wasn't on the Allies side there.>was the entire plan wrong?Yeah, it was a dumb and pointless plan that had flimsy goals and a lot of hopium.
>>64737536oh fug
>>64737479>Was there a chance for success for the Allies or was the entire plan wrong?There is a lot of debate about it but generally what I have seen is the in assumption that the plan wasn't necessary a bad one just the execution was beyond poor not helped by the fact they had sailed up the Dardanelles earlier in the year and given the Ottomans time to prepare.
>>64737585Do you think racism was part of it? I mean I can easily imagine that the decision makers couldn't imagine that the Turks can be capable enough to put up a fight. >inb4 /pol/ shit
>>64737479>Following the Siege of Kut during the First World War, many of the 10,000 Indian and 2,500 British prisoners were anally raped by their Ottoman and Kurdish irregular guards:>After the surrender, the Ottomans forced the British and Indian POWs to embark upon a brutal "death march" to POW camps in Anatolia, during which the prisoners were forced to march under the scorching hot sun while being deprived of water, food and medical care while constantly being whipped by the Kurdish and Arab tribesmen the Ottoman state had hired to guard them; those who faltered on the "death march" were shot on the spot.[89][101] In the evening, the men on the death march were given biscuits to eat and water to drink. The only reason why the guards kept their charges alive was to rape them and during the course of the death march all of the POWs were repeatedly gang-raped>After the British Army surrended at Kut (in modern day Iraq), in April 1916, the surivors were sent on a death march of 500 miles with little food and even less medicial care. Of the 2,592 British rank and file taken prisioner at Kut, more than 1,700 died (nearly 70%) died in captivity.>According to the book 'Battle on the Tigris' by Ron Wilcox, Officers reported stories of 'young solders of the Hampshire and Norfolk [regiment] being repeatedly buggered by Turkish soldiers and sick men being buried by the road while still alive'.>One Australian who after return from captivity in 1921 went on a mad spree in Launceston (Tasmania) which ended with his taking his own life with a pistol. When the inquest was held his former commanding officer came from melbourne to give evidence ad stated that he had been "due to his youth and appearance, a particuar subject of foul abuses by certain Turkish guards."
>>64738063Fun fact, Kut is the Dutch word for Cunt.
>>64737548>preserve longerPersevere
>>64738063why is buttrape even a thing, they can't all be homos>blah blah power dynamics blah blahyou're still sticking your dick in another man's ass
>>64738063Imagine how much man rape happened on the Caucasus campaign between the Turks and Russians, Christ that would of been the worst front to fight in during the war.>>64738972The Middle East is particularly full of “peculiar” gentlemen that will fuck anything that moves, be it man, woman, child, farm animal or industrial machinery. They don’t care about getting shit on their dick.
I still don't understand how the Ottomans held it together for 3+ years of war
>>64739021a lot of terrible governments can last in poorer countries because the citizenry have extremely low expectations and can tolerate a lot of shit before they finally rise up
>>64737479Not really after the RN got buttfucked gangam style by a surprise minefield. The actual landing points were determined by the RNs prolapsed anus, not what was actually tactically useful. If they could have forced passage further up, maybe, but the RN has kind of sucked dick at being a Navy throughout the entire 20th century unfortunately
>>64737479it was a bad idea, and allot of things went wrong. but by some persistence and dumb luck it might have worked.the Turks still had plenty of manpower but in terms of supply's they were critically low. (unknown to the Anglo forces at the time)Anglo forces had secured an advantageous position tactically and logistically but at the cost of a massive amount of manpower, then they gave up.
WW1 really was the war of "every option fucking sucks"
>>64739382Or Britain and France could have not started the war?
>>64738063i like how the faggot wIkipedia editors omitted this part on the article about ottoman mistreatment of pows in ww1https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prisoners_of_war_in_World_War_I#POWs_in_the_Ottoman_Empire
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>>64737479It wasnt a completely retarded plan. Cutting the bosphorus would have isolated Ottoman and German forces in the middle east from supplies, since the allies had total naval control over the Med. They did underestimate the Ottomans, who to be fair had performed very poorly in the Balkan wars just a few years earlier. And they overestimated the Russians, who were supposed to have put pressure on the Caucasus front and in Romania, but just made a complete bungle of it, getting kicked out of Poland instead.
>>64737930The Ottomans has been losing a lot of wars starting in 1821 with them losing half of Greece, and having to rely on Egyptian troops, which then resulted in Egypt going independent. Algeria had been taken byFrance in 1836, They had lost Libya to Italy in 1911, and Italy was notoriously not well prepared (in fact they got quite close to losing). Italy had to rely on France back in the 1860s to win against Austria Hungary to become a nation, so it was a surprise they beat one of the "great powers". Then the Turks absolutely jobbed in the Balkan wars 1912 to 1913. The Balkan alliance barely had outside support but still won.So everyone was expecting the Ottomans to extremely underperform.
>>64737479>Gallipoli campaignhttps://gallipolisoup.com/photographs
https://www.iwm.org.uk/history/13-rare-photos-of-the-gallipoli-campaignmoar pr0nz
I RUB MY COCK ON THE SCREEN GIVE ME WWI((https://www.flickr.com/photos/archivesnz/albums/72157650986982228/)
Do it in my history hole daddy.https://www.everythingturkish.net/eat/rare-turkish-photos-from-the-gallipoli-campaign
>>64740148>>64740141NeatoBut you know its bad when your horse has the coof>The horses had been in good health when they arrived at Mex which was close to the sea and cooler than Cairo, but many contracted pneumonia and the sound of their coughing was distressing to the troops.
>>64739021I'd argue Russia dropping from the war earlier gave them the necessary to last a few months more, definitely would have lift the moral to high heavens, but literally everywhere else (maybe except Yemen), they kept losing men and materials, not to mention land.
>>64737930It always plays a part, British experience against middle east countries was always to convince them with a few gunboats, only the mahdi state kind of put up a fight, the same thing would happen against Japan, yes, in both cases the bongs really would rather not expend resources that could go for fighting the germs, but giving a half assed attempt at other theaters just prolonged the conflict.
>>64739716>Or Britain and France could have not started the war?>Austria-Hungary declares war on Serbia to avenge their assassinated Archduke >Russia declares war on AH to protect Serbia>Germany declares war on Russia to protect AH>France declares war on Germany to protect Russia>Germany decides to rape Belgium which then brings in Britain>Because of this the Turks and Australians are now killing each other in Palestine I don’t see how the war is France’s or Britain fault, it was niggers in the Balkans that started it
